Raise your hand if i should TURBO Options

[PowellCelica]

Ok, i can do it....but do i want to do it? I can start right now and by christmas end up with all the little extras.....but is it worth it? I mean it's just an ST, but how badass would it be to have a 200hp ST? I think it'd be sweet specialy with a 5-speed. What kind of turbo's should I look at? Aint no thing to get it in my car cause i have a garage to work at. But should I even think about doing it? better yet is it truelly possible to just get the turbo in a running for 2000 or less. I'm not talking about the controlers and timers and injectors...those come for christmas. So let me know what you guys think. Anyone wanna help lol?

[Supersprynt]

Personal opinion, dont do it. Alot of money for an engine who can barely make it to 200 with a turbo and then consequences of doing it (burning your engine up) arent worth it. You'll save money by doing a 3sgte swap.

[StockST]

I say go for it. I will attempt to do it soon and its much more satisfying turboing an engine that everyone says isn't worth it. So my opinion, go for it.

[PowellCelica]

lol, this is gonna be a hard choice....

[lagos]

talk the they ST guys that have done it. they seem to be having good luck with theirs.

if you have a garage and some cash, id say hell yeh. if you blow your engine, then you can sell off your turbo on ebay and use the money to get a new engine that probably has less miles then what yours has now.

[macavely]

i say do it... cause it seam to be all the people that say don't do it... haven't turboed a 7afe and all the people that have say do it.. i haven't done mine yet... will start getting the parts for it after new years.... so just do it'

[Coomer]

I say do it as well. Swaps can turn into nightmares. Just ask Ray or I.

[BigEdge169]

I think the best thing to do would be find a spare 7AFE and rebuild it with good internals and then turbo that. I think I'll probably have to do somethine like this because by the time I can afford the project I'm gonna have like 200,000 miles on my car. By doing it this way, your car wouldn't have as much down time and you'd have an engine that's a lot more reliable.

[Supersprynt]

If you have all this money to spend on a 7afe, then I would just buy something worth putting more into. I'm not saying the 7 is a bad engine, its not, its Toyota and its good stuff but it wasnt built for power. It'll take you a helluva lot more money to make it anything near powerful and then what? Thats it, theres no where to go. A 3SGTE has more power stock, and then potential for so much more.

I just think ur going to be throwing alot of money into an engine which is going to beat on with stock ITR's and Civic SI's.

[CelicaGuy97]

if you go to a corolla forum and talk to some of the guys who turbo there 7a engines they will tell you that it is great and you can get some good power out of them some of those guys are getting 250 hp off of 7 psi. i think that it would be better doing a turbo instead of a swap

[BigEdge169]

One big problem with the swap is all the little stuff that you run into, ask Coomer about that
It seems like there's more people on here and the Corolla board that could answer questions better if you have problems with the turbo rather than problems with the sway, I could be wrong though

[Ghost]

Minor problems could be run into by both things...just more likely in swapping. I think a 2nd gen 3s-gte would still be better for you bro, an engine that could hold up to the turbo much better and since you have a shop to do it you won't have to worry about labor etc.

[PowellCelica]

yea, i'm starting to lean back towards the swap i guess. My engine is over the hill anyway. Where is the best place to find a 2nd gen 3s-gte?

[Cragspider]

Talk to Jarco Inc. about getting you your clip. There website is jarcoinc.com.
Bryan

[PowellCelica]

thanks!

[SoundSlut_dotcom]

yea i say go with the 3sgte

[hyp3rk1d]

Man!!! I hear ya Powell... i dont know what to do but i want power... the swap is going to be way to much work, first becuz i have an automatic and second an ST!! now turbo is another choice but it seems like an awful lot of work.. so some1 help.. damn iam thinkin of just makin it look hot and do the suspension...

[Supersprynt]

Dude on ebay theres an ST185 RC engine and theres a link i posted in buying and selling. It was 1,000 last time I looked. Your going to have to source other parts but there arent many and its an RC!!

[PowellCelica]

[PowellCelica]

[Supersprynt]

Only difference with the RC is that it has a air and WATER intercooler, like the ST205, which is more efficient. I bought only the engine, but it came with the ECU and AFM. I would have to look at what that particular one would be including, but thats what mine did and the only other things i needed to buy were clutch components, which your going to need regardless.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Nov 23, 2003 - 10:42 PM

[PowellCelica]

wow! that thing is just like an hour away from me!

[95AT200]

Get the swap because if you turbo the 7A-FE you will have to rebuild your motor top to bottom with stronger parts unless you want to throw a rod.

[Supersprynt]

Perhaps a piston into the oil pan...i've seen it, its not pretty.

[hyp3rk1d]

So Powell what can we do... Lol

[PowellCelica]

I guess the first question is what should I do lol...i gotta figure that out first.

[FallenHero]

the harness, and maybe some of the accessories. You see, it's just an engine, you will need lots of little things to make it work. Thankfully, you will be able to get them at your local toyota dealer if you need.

RC is just saying it came out of a rally edition celica... plus, it has a water to air intercooler instead of a top mount air to air.

Jon

(have you guys ever wondered why I could buy a fastburn 350 with 400 hp brand new for about three grand, yet a used 3s is the same price?

[FallenHero]

forget about much of what I just said, I guess I need to read next time.

look here

http://www.turbofast.com.au/mr2.html

[97sccelica]

the answer to the original question depends on what your goals are with the car, how much downtime you can afford, and which car you have and what tranny it comes with.

its easier to swap with a 5spd gt than with an auto st

and if you want more than 250hp it would be cheaper to go with a swap.

[PowellCelica]

well i can't really afford any down time but i can make things happen. I have a 5-speed ST and I want like 300hp when it's all said and done.

[lagos]

[97sccelica]

[PowellCelica]

well yea, but i dont have to convert to a manual. thats jus one less headache

[97sccelica]

[kuya1284]

[Komlofske]

I wouldn't be sure on Turbo or 3sgte but I have my turbo and will be puting it in my Celi soon. then I will let you know on how satisfied I am with it. Fist hand

[zipstrips]

well if u dont want down time leave it stock. no mater which way you go down time wil happen.. im loved my turbo setup. its also for sale... i say boost it. i wish i could have gotten one last dyno run with the map sensor not throwing an engine code to get a true reading... but i think 200hp is easily made with the turbo kit i made,, iyour set on making you own, look into my profile for ideas on whats needed, also feel free to IM or email me for any info.. im be more than happy to help. if you guys live close enough id love to take the day and install it too!! haha

[LBCxGUY]

why for sale???

[PowellCelica]

HMMMMM, I'm so confused right now. I just need to sleep on it for awhile I guess. Maybe i'll just leave it stock and keep the car for the rest of my life lol. WHOOOOOOO KNOOOOOOWS???

[zipstrips]

[FallenHero]

there is a 7a on ebay right now...

[zipstrips]

[OOBE]

To answer the original question, if you want less downtime, I say turbocharge it. Obviously, it's going to run you $1,000 or so more AFTER the final cost of parts for the little miscellaneous things you'll need to buy or replace. Those who talk about: "ohhh nooo, you'll blow up a piston...uhhhh, a rod will get stuck in the wiper motor"...and all the stupid ignorant replies, first they don't know what they're talking about because they don't even have a turbo 7A-FE. In my opinion, it is VERY easy. Check this out.

1)Take off stock manifold
2)Install turbo manifold or header
3)Remove radiator from mounts
4)Install exhaust gasket and then the turbocharger
5)Remove oil sensor, install fitting and install oil feed line
Etc...

Simple stuff...the installation is easy...it's the tuning that's very delicate.

A swap will be cheaper but you'll have more downtime and also you'll need miscellaneous parts that cannot be sourced like turbo stuff in a speed shop.

If you want to drive your car in no time, bragging rights for having a fast car with the engine it came with from the factory at the expense of less upgradeability and more money, go for turbochargin the 7A-FE.

If you want more horsepower, more reliability (since it's a turbo engine already), and less money spent, go for the 3S-GTE swap.

This post has been edited by OOBE: Nov 27, 2003 - 11:12 PM

[zipstrips]

installing a 7a turbo kit should take a mech with zero experience a weekend and a moderate tuner the day.. given all parts and tools are present..

[97sccelica]

[FallenHero]

When I do my turbo set up, I'll fly you to the deep south, lol!

[OOBE]

Yeah, it took me and friend from 10PM to 4AM to install everything and have it ready to drive it to the muffler shop the next day. That included removing the old injectors and installing the new ones, along with removing the radiator to bang the sheet metal behind it in, because my exhaust manigolf is very long and throws the turbo to the front too much. I encountered MAJOR obstacles that contributed to the delay of my setup, which is installed but VERY buggy. The first was that the 550cc Venom injectors made the car run in 3 cylinders. Also, it took the muffler shop guy 3 FULL days to finish what could have taken less than 6 hours to another guy. He talked for hours and only worked for minutes. THREE days wasted, and that was with me present the whole time pushing him, so it could've taken longer. But he did a great job and only charged me I think $250 or less for EVERYTHING, including connecting all the silicone couplings with the piping and letting me borrow his tools for replacing the spark plugs every 5 minutes that the engine was running. And borrowing tools was against the policy in his shop.

But I've felt what 3 psi can do to my auto Celi...can't wait for 9 DELICATELY DYNO TUNED psi

[FallenHero]

lol, how many miles do you have?

[97sccelica]