how to: Mr2 to GT brakes at a reasonable price, Bolt on Caliper Change. Options

[njccmd2002]

FIRST OF ALL DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK. DO NOT HOLD ME RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGES, "FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY, NOT HIGHWAY"

After that nice disclaimer....


Ok im tired of looking at 500 dollar calipers. Yes it would be nice, but what about the people that dont have money.

anything other that our poor piss single piston caliper would be nice..

but there are double piston calipers from some ss3 celicas, yeah!! even more rare that hens teeth.

(well maybe not)


regardless of that issue, i will not spend 1899 on a big brake kit on a car that is not going to the track, i rather eat that money in bigmacs.

So imagine a bigger car, bigger engine. Those brakes stop that car, it must stop the celica. Hmmm larger car. So it must be an upgrade. Yes by 25% or 50% its still upgrading even if it gets 10%.

so i ordered from fleabay, after weeks of pictures and pictures.

got it today and see both brake pads together



now that i got your attention, lets see more pics





almost same size, a little larger and wait it gets better..



yes that's a celica bracket from a 97 gt, but there is a problem, the cliper mounts are 3/4 of an inch inside the caliper... aprrox..




so i compared the brackets... side by side



they are almost identical except the point where the caliper bolts...

no its not easy to bolt the bracket into the celica because of the mounting points..



however its funny how the caliper mount points are identical,



so most calipers points could be identical... meaning its junkyard time...

there are two options, get another celica bracket and cut those extended studs and figure if it works..



or find a bracket from another toyota that bolts to our hub and has the same caliper mounts but in a different position.

OR! something you can come up with to help this......

And please no "Just get st205 calipers" replies, This caliper was 25 bucks on ebay. Big difference.

I will let you all know where this one comes from but for now, i just want you guys to get itchy. I bet culpable knows!!! LOL

no, this is not world domination, i need your help, this might turn out great, or it may not work.....


Once we figure out the bracket, it may just work with the celica rotors...

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Jun 23, 2011 - 10:10 AM

[Culpable04]

when you go to the junkyard, look for 1996+ 4 runner calipers
they are pretty affordable remanufactured, so from a junkyard they should be pretty cheap
LOOK !

on a 4runner they accomodate 319 mm disc

these are 4 piston and mounting points to knuckle should be the same as our celicas.

[qatar11]

Out of curiosity... what is your interest in bigger brakes... what are the current symptoms that you curing with a 2 pot caliper?


Those look like Calipers from a ST165, no? Probably not as they allegedly bolt up without issue.

[qatar11]

My $0.02

Stainless Steel Brake Lines - $60
+
High Temp Brake Fluid - $30
+



Re manufactured ST185 Calipers - $45 ea
Pads of your choice - $70 ~ $100

+
Flat Washers from Home Depot - QTY 8: (to offset the caliper)

+



Centric Rotors - $30 ea

+

$30 for a local machine shop to increase the inner diameter of the rotor to fit the Celica hub

+



Sticky Tires - optional... but HIGHLY encouraged

=




Priceless!

This post has been edited by qatar11: Oct 22, 2010 - 6:17 AM

[njccmd2002]

cool so the st185 caliper bolts, I want double pot, its preference.

[qatar11]

cool so the st185 caliper bolts, I want double pot, its preference.

I'm curious to know why?

This post has been edited by qatar11: Oct 22, 2010 - 6:38 AM

[njccmd2002]

http://www.brakeandfrontend.com/Article/38...TwinPiston.aspx

good article. however its just preference really!!

[njccmd2002]

Well my attempts to use the lexus caliper were a failure. The caliper bracket cannot be machined safely, and after junkyard dives, did not find a suitable caliper. Just when i was ready to give up, Johnny gave me an idea, that i put to practice.

Well these are quite rare calipers in its oem form, because thy are sought by people like Random Stranger. Yes ...

Found them on ebay, but cardone manufactures them here..

So after 126 usd, yes, that was 106 of shipping from Hong Kong... i came up with thiss!!!!







One of the thing that amazes me is the fact that most Toyota calipers have the same distance between bolts, with a little difference in offset. The calipers brackets change from model to model.

now i have not tweaked to see the contact nor have i tested them on the street.

Now here is the good part. I did not remove my brackets or my pads. Simply installed the caliper and i looks like it belongs there. Have to make more measures

So ST owners that can upgrade to GT brakes, can use the gt calipers and this caliper...

Well im not done yet, i will buy new rotors and pads.. Its a Hybrid combo, bolt on, may have to tweak some spots but picture dont lie....

Guess what car they are from, well you are right.

This are MR2 Turbo with a turbocharged 2.0L 94 +

They are sought by most mr2 as a popular upgrade....

Well Enjoy. Ill post pics when i paint them and clean them...

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Jun 23, 2011 - 10:12 AM

[Keiri]

Lookin' good Norberto. I'm really interested in seeing how these turn out for you; it would be nice to upgrade to better brakes rather then just replace my stock ones come next Summer.

[BonzaiCelica]

People don't wast your money. Buy the more readily available and an actual upgrade of front twin piston calipers found on page 6 of this thread!

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Dec 12, 2014 - 7:57 PM

[Johnnyny]

woot glad my idea was helpfull it came to while browsing mr2oc

[njccmd2002]

woot glad my idea was helpfull it came to while browsing mr2oc

yeah man, thanks.. Now he shipped it fast. 3 days by dhl.. thats like fast!!!

[Johnnyny]

damn express shipping ftw

[96stgreendemon]

Wait, what kind of brakes are these?

[Keiri]

94-95' MR2 Turbo brake calipers and I don't know what rotors he's using.

[njccmd2002]

those are gt brackets gt rotors gt pads. the onlything in there not celica is the mr2 caliper...

[njccmd2002]

but let me make measurements...

oh i was browsing the bay...


anyone want to try. they are from lexus is, looks similar, gotta try to know.. I wont, but i tought i let u guys know.

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Jun 23, 2011 - 10:13 AM

[BonzaiCelica]

I repeat go to Page 6-8 for an actual brake caliper twin piston upgrade!

ahh forgot to add this as well. Rebuilt ST202 Brake calipers twin piston!!

http://www.brakepartssuperstore.org.uk/con...-uk/d11440.html

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jul 17, 2015 - 1:38 PM

[njccmd2002]

u know what i found those from a company in china, but i was afraid. The only problem is making sure the calipers fit the brackets, as some of those came in ssIII with super strut i i know for sure the bracket wont fit.

u want to give it a try?

Im out of the usa right now, but when i come back ill finish this project..

[mkernz22]

Now would the rear calipers off an MR2 work on the Celica?
It'd be pretty sick if it did because the Turbo ones are 2 pot as well

[njccmd2002]

Now would the rear calipers off an MR2 work on the Celica?
It'd be pretty sick if it did because the Turbo ones are 2 pot as well

are u serious. hmm wont hurt to try...

[mkernz22]

actually just found some on RPMgarage.com and I don't think they will fit, it's a way different setup

http://rpmgarage.com/new/detail/?tid=17063

EDITTTT: completely lied, they are single pot. I was looking at the gap in the front... :facepalm:

This post has been edited by mkernz22: Dec 21, 2010 - 11:48 AM

[Johnnyny]

yeah uhm rear are single and front dual on turbo models

[mkernz22]

yeahh, i realized that after the fact haha
i was at my co-op job doing work and multitasking by trying to look up some of that stuff while working and I looked at it wrong :facepalm:

[njccmd2002]

ok guys, im done with this and as always

FIRST OF ALL DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK. DO NOT HOLD ME RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGES, "FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY, NOT HIGHWAY"

Ha ha

here are the final pics...

MR2 pad vs the celica pad, very close in shape... means caliper are equally centered.



both caliper brackets side by side... the only problem with mr2 bracket is the points that attach to the spindle, the rest is equal except for coupe of mms.





views of the caliper mounted to the brackets and comparison. Red one is the GT celica the dirty one is the MR2 turbo













the contacts with the gt celica pad and the pistons are good, centered, good thing is not needing a special disc. Im giving it a go for my car, and to top that off

some sandblasting



and TLC




once i have the paint all dried up, ill post the final pics..

All you naysayers, upgrade can mean anything, looks, bling, performance, or PREFERENCE...

TOTAL COST: 126 for brakes, 1 can of brake fluid, i can of caliper paint, couple ounces of 80 grit dust. To me this is PRICELESS...

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Jun 23, 2011 - 10:15 AM

[mkernz22]

These are the ones that you got right?
http://rpmgarage.com/new/detail/?tid=16617

[Johnnyny]

Sticky!

[njccmd2002]

These are the ones that you got right?
http://rpmgarage.com/new/detail/?tid=16617

i think yes,but from another guy, i offered him 20 bucks, cuz they had bee there a while...

[mkernz22]

I'm gunna offer less on them, like $20 and see where it goes from there cause it's a decent upgrade from the single pot, but it doesn't cost as much as the gt-4 ones

[njccmd2002]

Impressed with the braking. so ILIKEIT..

[bccentaur3]

Is there more pedal travel needed to push the twin pots? What size pistons are stock on the mr2 calipers?

This post has been edited by bccentaur3: Jan 4, 2011 - 10:38 AM

[njccmd2002]

Is there more pedal travel needed to push the twin pots? What size pistons are stock on the mr2 calipers?

technically i dont feel more travel, but my battery car died. forgot to measure the piston size..

When i have a chance i will measure.

[96stgreendemon]

So this is basically a direct bolt up to the GT front brakes, will it work for a ST?

[BonzaiCelica]

I repeat go to Page 6 for an actual brake caliper twin piston upgrade!


This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Dec 12, 2014 - 8:00 PM

[808celica]

so if people use the mr2 outers on the halfshafts and we now can use the sw20 2pots, can we take the wheel hub spindle and mate it with ours and redrill our rotors for a 5x114.3 bolt pattern???

DUN DUN Dunnnnn...........

[njccmd2002]

so if people use the mr2 outers on the halfshafts and we now can use the sw20 2pots, can we take the wheel hub spindle and mate it with ours and redrill our rotors for a 5x114.3 bolt pattern???

DUN DUN Dunnnnn...........

dont know!! lol

can I get some measurements on the mr2 twin pot brake pads please with the pics included!

over the weekend

So this is basically a direct bolt up to the GT front brakes, will it work for a ST?

if the gt front bakes fit the st with no problems then yes, cuz the twin pot bolted to my gt caliper bracket...

[BonzaiCelica]

I repeat go to Page 6 for an actual brake caliper twin piston upgrade!


So If the pads are the same size as the ST185 GT-Four Twin Piston, 94+ MR2 Turbo and Celica then I'll want to buy a set of these twin piston calipers. I looked online and aftermarket performance brake pads are super expensive from japan. I'm talking about $250+ shipping minimum.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Dec 12, 2014 - 8:01 PM

[njccmd2002]

you have to buy pads for a celica gt. Remember the caliper bracket and disc are from the celica. I do not recommend any other pad, with that being said feel free to venture.

my discs are old, and already have a groove where the celica pads have been going. So putting the mr2 pads will only damage them right now, because there is a 2mm diff, with new discs, it might be different.

well the other side of the story are lexus es330 pads, i will post all pads for comparison.


lexus vs celica



celica vs mr2



go to the junkyard and collect pads, see which fit and which dont.

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Jun 23, 2011 - 10:15 AM

[bccentaur3]

looks as if the mr2 ones will give you more contact area. I wonder how the st165 2 pot calipers will work if you take the caliper bracket off. I know its a direct fit on the at200 because I have it on there now off my old st165. we'll see this summer.

[BonzaiCelica]

wait don't you have mr2 twin piston calipers on your celica. If so can you take measurements of the brake pads please!??



This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jan 13, 2011 - 10:58 PM

[bccentaur3]

Or you guys can use this ,




what i'm building for my gt-four conversion set-up. front calipers on top of a 3lb sledge hammer.

This post has been edited by bccentaur3: Jan 13, 2011 - 5:49 PM

[Culpable04]

there are a lot of options from twin caliper setup all the way to 8 piston calipers, but I think the point of this was for a budget and user friendly upgrade, I don't think there is any other caliper upgrade easier than this, and as affordable as this.

great job Norberto !

[njccmd2002]

^^^, the purpose is to keep it cheap. And this is as cheap as it gets. LOL. Like said, i dont want to pay more than 500 for brakes, this car is a toy, not a racecar..

Hey by the way, racecar spelled backwards is racecar


and to those that need measures, i have been really busy with work, and my car is under a cover under snow.. so, i will try to do it as soon as i can.

[bccentaur3]

If you could measure the stock GT caliper pistons I would greatly appreciate it. I could make a write-up on brake bias for us 6th geners.

[808celica]

Will you be able to run the stock 15's on the Deuce's??? Cuz looking at your pics looks like you'd have to do 16's at the least.

[qatar11]

^^^, the purpose is to keep it cheap. And this is as cheap as it gets. LOL. Like said, i dont want to pay more than 500 for brakes, this car is a toy, not a racecar..

Hey by the way, racecar spelled backwards is racecar


and to those that need measures, i have been really busy with work, and my car is under a cover under snow.. so, i will try to do it as soon as i can.

I have been away, so please help me out here,

MR2 Turbo Calipers from Asia
Celica GT Pads
Celica GT Rotor?

[njccmd2002]

Yes, jdm mr2 turbo calipers, I think they sell them I th us.
Oh and those measures will be posted tomorrow


This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Jan 20, 2011 - 3:22 PM

[njccmd2002]

as requested







mr2 brake pad and the inner diameter is 1 inch.

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Jun 23, 2011 - 10:16 AM

[bccentaur3]

so essentially 25.4mm pistons, both pistons? Thats doesnt seem right. Whats the OD of the piston? To get an accurate reading of the piston side you have the push the piston out of the caliper and measure it that way.


For example to st165 caliper piston diameter is 37mm. leading and trailing piston.

now with my set-up ls430 calipers all the way around with 315mm rotors front and back my brake bias will be 64%

[njccmd2002]

Outer diameter is 3.6 cm, i forgot to add that.

[bccentaur3]

Can you measure the stock celica caliper piston? Both front and rear caliper for me. Just wanted to see how big of an upgrade this is for the GT celicas.

[njccmd2002]

will try tomorrow, the rear caliper most likely not tomorrow. its in the car. I get off work at 6 am and go back at 3, dont want to dissasemble.. lol

[bccentaur3]

no no understandable. I would go out to my project car which is a GT but too cold and tired from working to much.

[BonzaiCelica]

I repeat go to Pages 6-8 for an actual brake caliper twin piston upgrade!

so by the looks of the pic the celica gt and mr2 twin turbo brake pads are different. Where did you buy the mr2 pads from are they oem or aftermarket?

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Dec 12, 2014 - 8:02 PM

[bccentaur3]

If you could that would be nice ^...


You dont have to completely push it out just remove the boot and push it out a little because the OD is different on the cylinder itself. Do both front and rears for me so I can calculate the sock brake bias. Then we can go from there on upgraded brake parts for cheap.

[alltrac]

MR2 turbo caliper

MR2 Turbo pad

Celica caliper

Celica pad

[Rusty]

I've found the specs of the calipers for the ST202's

The single piston caliper specs (SS-II):
Piston Diameter: 57mm
Piston Count: 1
Total Piston Area: 2551.76mm² (25.5176cm²)

The twin piston caliper specs (SS-III):
Piston Diameter: 40.4mm
Piston Count: 2
Total Piston Area: 2563.79mm² (25.6379cm²)

Basically they cover the same area, but you should get even distribution of pressure on the pads with the 2 pots.


and then compared to the MR2 calipers
Piston Diameter: 36mm
Piston Count: 2
Total Piston Area: 2035.75mm² (20.3575cm²)

[bccentaur3]

Damn so the brake bias gets shifted to the back that's no dice at the track. Although it will take less effort to lock the front up.

[njccmd2002]

dang, so basically its a non-upgrade... LOL. well i love the looks of 2 pistons...

But then again, its upgrade to the MR2, imagine that... anyways... I still love them..

[richee3]

The specs that Rusty posted, the single piston caliper is different from the USDM caliper, isn't it? I would still think that the MR2 caliper would be an upgrade from the single-piston stock caliper.

[bccentaur3]

Those specs are correct and no the twin pot calipers of a turbo mr2 is not an upgrade. Stock Celica gt bias is 71% front given it is fwd. With the mr2 calipers as an "upgrade" bias ends up being 65% to the front. You will gain loOks but lose performance.

[BonzaiCelica]

Those specs are correct and no the twin pot calipers of a turbo mr2 is not an upgrade. Stock Celica gt bias is 71% front given it is fwd. With the mr2 calipers as an "upgrade" bias ends up being 65% to the front. You will gain loOks but lose performance.

hmm so how about the SS-II and SS-III celica equipped with superstrut and twin piston calipers is that a downgrade as well??

[Rusty]

As I pointed out, the pistons cover the same area, but you should get even distribution of pressure across the pads with the 2 pots.

[mkernz22]

can't you change the bias by getting the splitter or whatever you call it, off an mr2? I mean you need it for the ST to GT upgrade, so would GT to MR2 work?

[bccentaur3]

U mean the proportioning valve? Ur saying get one off the mr2? No way Jose the mr2 is mid engine rwd. If ur gonna upgrade for performance do it the right way. As for looks it's ur car do what satisfies u.

[SupraKid]

can't you change the bias by getting the splitter or whatever you call it, off an mr2? I mean you need it for the ST to GT upgrade, so would GT to MR2 work?

Wrong, you dont have to change that.

And honestly i dont think (if you have the same tires and suspension front and rear) having 60% to the front is a bad thing, i mean it helps take away 1 of the many things the front wheels are intended to do on fwd cars.

[njccmd2002]

Well i cant say we did not try, you guys notice how the Title does not read "upgrade" anymore. Ill keep looking...

Wonder what the bias is with the GT4 calipers

[mak5603]

Or the Lexus LS400 bias I bought some awhile back from Malpaso, haven't played with them at all other than cleaning em up. Waiting to put my bigger wheels on. They are 4 pot calipers, I'll try and measure the pistons asap. Another possible alternative?

[Culpable04]

Damn so the brake bias gets shifted to the back that's no dice at the track. Although it will take less effort to lock the front up.

not nessesaraly, the " theorical " magic number for brake bias is 60 / 40 ( front / rear ) but that will vary from setup to setup, and the importance of modifying your Bias is to use the most grip available while keeping the front locking first than the rear, so if you think about it, as long as his front is still locking the tires before the rear, it is an upgrade, a good one actually, because it will spread the braking force better among all 4 tires, so all 4 tires will work more efficiently at stoping the car instead of the front ones doing most of the job with a 70+ % of the braking force on the front.

One of my friends tracks his car every season and his brake bias is 58% front 42% rear with an adjustable proportioning valve, he got to those numbers after a lot of trial an error testing. so Norberto, find a safe area where you can test your brakes, have someone look at your tires ( or video ) and make sure your front tires lock before your rear one, if they do, I'll be the first one to call this a great upgrade, best bang for your buck brake upgrade.

[njccmd2002]

Damn so the brake bias gets shifted to the back that's no dice at the track. Although it will take less effort to lock the front up.

One of my friends tracks his car every season and his brake bias is 58% front 42% rear with an adjustable proportioning valve, he got to those numbers after a lot of trial an error testing. so Norberto, find a safe area where you can test your brakes, have someone look at your tires ( or video ) and make sure your front tires lock before your rear one, if they do, I'll be the first one to call this a great upgrade, best bang for your buck brake upgrade.

oooo that sounds like rubber fun!

[Culpable04]

try this with a old set of tires, you don't want flat spots on your good tires lol

[bccentaur3]

I guess Driver preference???

[Culpable04]

of course, a car should be setup to the driver's taste, but my point is that, This " upgrade " should be called an upgrade. in a perfect world you would want all 4 tires locking at the same time as this would make all the tires work just as hard stopping the car, but in the real world the front needs to be locked just slightly before the rears, so depending on the weight transfer due to suspension and engine position and of course drivers taste we should modify the bias to make the best out of the setup,. if you look at most adjustable proportioning valve setups they are use to lower the bais on the front not to increase it, as manufacturers go for a very safe number making sure the front will locked up before the rear even when we are using crappy tires on the front. so for race / track where tires will be properly maintained they aim to bring the bias closer between front and rear while still keeping the front locking first.

let me hear what you think, as this is not what " I know ", is just what I've understood from some reading I've done and I can be very well misinformed or have misunderstood the data, so some of you should support / contradict what I'm saying so we can all move in the right direction.

[bccentaur3]

I totally agree with you Stevenson I guess the brake bias with the Mr2 calipers would make it an ideal upgrade but just look at the surface area of the pistons. How much smaller is the Mr2 pad compared. To the stock celicas?

[96stgreendemon]

Just out of curiosity where would you get a brake proportioning valve that you can actually adjust?

[Culpable04]

Some reading on how to installl them and their use


anywhere, eBay, Amazon, etc

Check here !

This post has been edited by Culpable04: Feb 4, 2011 - 10:26 AM

[Spider77]

Some reading on how to installl them and their use


anywhere, eBay, Amazon, etc

Check here !

Nice find....I feel like doing some double flares now.
One thing needs to be said though, if you guys feel confident in your mechanical skills, its an easy install. But if you don't, please do not do this on your own. I can just see the replies "I installed this and then my car wouldn't stop".

[mkernz22]

^id be one of those people

[njccmd2002]

I totally agree with you Stevenson I guess the brake bias with the Mr2 calipers would make it an ideal upgrade but just look at the surface area of the pistons. How much smaller is the Mr2 pad compared. To the stock celicas?

not by much, but im using celica pads anyhow.

[bccentaur3]

Well in that case it would be too bad of an "upgrade".

I can't wait to make my own thread on my Big brake project with them ls430 monoblocs.

[Culpable04]

I have to take some time and calculate the ST205 stock Bias, and then install the rear ST205s on my car, depending on how it performs I may need an adjustable proportioning valve, but time will tell.

for now I can say, that this is a great setup for someone who doesn't want to get too complicated and on a budget, it changes your brake bias to improve braking without having to actually play with proportioning valves an such, at a very low cost.

Great Job Norberto !

[delusionz]

Someone forgot to mention SS-II non superstrut has the same 2pot as SS-III 2pot, Right Rusty?

Only SS-I has the same 1pot as USDM GT.


Mr2 is a way lighter car than Celica so doesn't need as strong brakes.

[BonzaiCelica]

Someone forgot to mention SS-II non superstrut has the same 2pot as SS-III 2pot, Right Rusty?

Only SS-I has the same 1pot as USDM GT.


Mr2 is a way lighter car than Celica so doesn't need as strong brakes.

acutally ss-III and g limited both came with 4th gen 3sge and the mr2 actually weighs 1220kg about the same as the celica, if not a little more if I remember correctly

ughh so sad what a 300 pound weight advantage can do

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 15, 2013 - 4:02 PM

[Rusty]

Superstrut SS-II and SS-III have Twin Pot front brakes. (And I think the SS-II superstrut brakes were bigger than the SS-III, larger rotor)

SS-II has the Single pot front brakes


But as I pointed out....

The single piston caliper specs (SS-II):
Piston Diameter: 57mm
Piston Count: 1
Total Piston Area: 2551.76mm² (25.5176cm²)

The twin piston caliper specs (SS-III):
Piston Diameter: 40.4mm
Piston Count: 2
Total Piston Area: 2563.79mm² (25.6379cm²)


It's only an increase of 12.03mm² (3.47mm x 3.47mm)

[delusionz]

I thought when we compared brakes (when I had SS-III) that you said yours looked identical?

[Rusty]

Don't think so, im pretty sure that was you

[S8S8]

Superstrut SS-II and SS-III have Twin Pot front brakes. (And I think the SS-II superstrut brakes were bigger than the SS-III, larger rotor)

SS-II has the Single pot front brakes


But as I pointed out....

The single piston caliper specs (SS-II):
Piston Diameter: 57mm
Piston Count: 1
Total Piston Area: 2551.76mm² (25.5176cm²)

The twin piston caliper specs (SS-III):
Piston Diameter: 40.4mm
Piston Count: 2
Total Piston Area: 2563.79mm² (25.6379cm²)


It's only an increase of 12.03mm² (3.47mm x 3.47mm)

Regarding the SS-II having single piston calipers, I have something to add...

My ST202 cut is from a non-superstrut SS-II



Yet it has twin piston calipers:





Here I've used a torch to show the non-superstrut suspension:



And a couple more pics showing the markings:





I'm not a Celica expert, but I'm pretty sure what I have here is a non-superstrut SS-II with twin piston calipers.

Thoughts?

[njccmd2002]

yes!!!! you are a lucky man!!!!

[BonzaiCelica]

wow interesting. And for the love of god re size your pics its so annoying when members do that!!

[Rusty]

Yes you do

From Discussion thread about LSD's in the ST202 SS-2's & SS-3's

then after 97

the SS-2(beams) & SS-3(non & beams) run the same TRD pads, so they should run the same twin pot front brakes
(check Japanese TRD website)...and on Toyodiy (however slight difference in part numbers)

They (ST202 SS-II [BEAMS] & SS-III [BEAMS]) both run "twin pot brakes"... However the part numbers are different, it could mean nothing, or a difference between the two, which is why I didn't add it ....and I sort of forgot
(example : 1998's SS-II & SS-III)


Would be good if you have time to take measurements so we can compare.

[S8S8]

Would be good if you have time to take measurements so we can compare.

No worries. What measurements are you after?

[Rusty]

the same above measurements so...

The twin piston caliper specs (SS-II BEAMS):
Piston Diameter:
Piston Count: 2
Total Piston Area: mm2 (cm2)


and rotor specs

circumference
diameter
width

[BonzaiCelica]

this Sticky thread is useless without pictures!!! norberto jump on it.

Which brings me to another topic, hey S8S8 can you give us that answer. We are curious to know whether SS-II Beams and SS-III Superstrut Twin Piston Brake Calipers are the same size???

[njccmd2002]

this Sticky thread is useless without pictures!!! norberto jump on it.

Dude, you are so needy, just like andrew, are you sure you two are not brothers.

[BonzaiCelica]

this Sticky thread is useless without pictures!!! norberto jump on it.

Dude, you are so needy, just like andrew, are you sure you two are not brothers.

ya i know right sorry man. Did you change to flickr. Must be an age thing....

[S8S8]

this Sticky thread is useless without pictures!!! norberto jump on it.

Which brings me to another topic, hey S8S8 can you give us that answer. We are curious to know whether SS-II Beams and SS-III Superstrut Twin Piston Brake Calipers are the same size???

I'll be changing the pads soon and will run the measurements then.

[BonzaiCelica]

measurements of the twin piston calipers on SS-II Mcpherson Beams Celica???

[urbandork]

Out of curiosity... what is your interest in bigger brakes... what are the current symptoms that you curing with a 2 pot caliper?


Those look like Calipers from a ST165, no? Probably not as they allegedly bolt up without issue.

if this is true someone over on alltrac.net did a write up on how to use tacoma brakes on a st 165/185

i have a set of front gt st204 calipers and i think a set of st185 calipers... perhaps ill measure them when i get a chance.... i also have access to st205 front calipers. maybe ill see what i come up with.

This post has been edited by urbandork: Sep 24, 2011 - 8:23 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

is fensport correct??

if you see this link you see that they mention the ST202 Superstrut Celica, AE111 Corolla Superstrut, MR2 Rev 3 N/A and MR2 Rev 3sgte all use the same brake pads http://www.fensport.co.uk/Parts/Model_14/Category_11/2672

but if you take a looky here on toydiy you can see that the pads from 1999 Celica SS-III Superstrut only share common part numbers with carinna and corona cars. http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/xref?v=J_1999...mp;s=0446520230

Here is the ST202 Mcpherson SS-II twin pot pads. http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/xref?v=J_1998...mp;s=0446520470

here is 1990-1995 SW20 3sgte MR2 http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/s?v=U_1993_TO...1%E2%80%9117160
brake pad : 04491‑17160

for some reason I can't find any part numbers for the Corolla AE111 brake pads. toydiy does not list part #'s

ST202 SS-II Beams Mcpherson brake pads : Part 04465‑20470
ST202 SS-III Beams Superstrut brake pads : Part 04465‑20230

or so I think damn I'm so confused.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 8, 2012 - 6:29 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

MR2 Turbo pad


MR2 Turbo pad


Celica SS-III twin piston pads




This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Dec 30, 2011 - 3:51 PM