NO 8TH GEN CELICA!!!! MOTORTREND REPORTS ITS TRUE!, WHAA? Options

[XE_Nathaniel]

The Death of the Celica may mark a new era of toaster vehicles as sales of the Celica slow. This is possibly due to the low price of the Z and the Celica's approching cost of the Z. Initially, Celica sales were up almost 230% from the 6G but sales have reportedly deteriorated.

The death of the Honda Prelude may of influenced Toyota's decision to eliminate the Celica for the 8th generation (in U.S. anyway). What will replace it? Most likely the xC...Toyota Caldina. (or the Corolla hatchback)

More as more develops...

-Nate

(I really really hope this ISN'T true)

[Benevolence]

what pisses me off the most is the fact there still will be celica's just not here in the US.

This post has been edited by Benevolence: Nov 29, 2003 - 4:19 PM

[Drocay]

Hopefully its not true.

[Guest_Jason_*]

BS.

Toyota thrives on the Celica. If something gets changed, it'll be a renamed Celica.. kind of like the Integra to RSX type thing.

[macavely]

damn that sucks.. but for some strange reason i don't care... seeing as i might not ever get a new celica.. my next care will for sure be a big more powerful care... but yea it will be sad to see the longest selling car in amreica die..

[snadman]

What pisses me off is that 3 months ago I heard this from a Toyota exec and no one believed me. Now a magazine publishes the crap 3 months after I knew it was going to be true and now everyone believes it. Kind of funny how that happens...actually I even got b!tched at by Nate telling me I was wrong and sales are so high and will keep growing that they will never stop producing the Celica anytime soon. Oh well, just glad that in the end, I didn't b!tch back when it happened and now I can just laugh I guess. The only thing I have to say is...I told ya so! 3 months ago!

[LuDaChRiS]

if it goes down like that, then i think its crap. i always like the style/look of the prelude (i dont know about the specs, but i know its pretty good) and those went down...and now the celica?! whack. oh and how could they possibly hatchback the new corollas???? like a focus or something?! i dunno imo they just wouldnt look right as hatch since the body shape is different.

[Supersprynt]

Caldina is the Matrix, which will have a 3sgte

[saleeka]

2005 Toyota Celica: Significant update with freshened styling and mechanical changes.

thats from motortrend.com... lets hope that this no 8th gen. deal isnt true... I find it odd that if the celica is such a loosing proposition, that they would even bother to freshen the current generation, ya know? The sport compact market is flourishing right now, so isn't it dumb for toyota to turn its back on it now? just my 2 cents...

motortrend article

[boosted_K2]

sounds to me like toyota is running out the celica... that car has been on the market for a little over 5 years... if there isnt a 06 prototype 8gc... then id say they will probably let it die... which is a real shame, theyre too family focused, they completely forgot about the enthusiast.

[awdturbo]

they need to bring back the gt-four celica, it would save everything. a competitive price to compete with subaru and mitsubishi, get back in the rally scene and own the world.

[Akimbo]

It's true, they're gonna replace it with that Caldina/Scion thing...not sure, looks like a Matrix. Comes in a GT-FOUR version.

[Kwanza]

[boosted_K2]

similar styling to the GTi! german rip-off... but i like!! 2 thumbs up, toyota may sound like theyre retarted, but they always pull something out

[macavely]

hey i love the look of that corolla t-sport.. wont' mind having one of those parked infront of the house... but has anyone looked at toyotas web site? the added the 2zz-ge to the corolla for next year it's the xrs

[XE_Nathaniel]

I know snadman but I wasn't really bitchin at you. It was more like a small debate. I didn't want you to take it personally mang! You should know that I don't wanna be mean about it. Hey if i'm wrong im wrong. I'm only human. I've been wrong in the past and ill be wrong in the future. Yea you say something an "exec" says but it just seemed unbelievable at the time. Plus, your story seemed very unlikely. You gotta admit, if you REALLY read it. It DID seem like there were big holes in it. You don't need to laugh...I never laughed at you. Bitch? how did I bitch? just a friendly debate about it. You stated your facts, and I stated mine. I don't see any problem with that. People like to see two sides and then see the outcome. Hey as I said before, if I offended you...well.......sorry! LOL

-Nate

[snadman]

Whatever, I ain't really offended just something that made me laugh inside is all. Pissed me off at first but I'm gladthat my earlier comments didn't turn out to be false and that I was right. It's all good in the hood Nate...props to the actual magazine support of what I just heard verbally. I'm glad that Toyota is shifting it's weight, it needs to do soemthing.

[boosted_K2]

[macavely]

[XE_Nathaniel]

Toyota is making great strides and progres with hybrid technology. The new Prius is awesome. I've heard of that theory of the fuelcell/hydrogen etc...So far the only vehicle that has come forward with this technology is Honda with the Honda Dualnote. A quasi-NSX that rates around 400-500HP with 40-50MPG.

-Nate

[XE_Nathaniel]

Yea no prob snadman =)

-Nate

[StockST]

Well it looks like Toyota has lost my faith. Guess I'll just keep my 6gc until it dies. Stupid Toyota...

Hello STi....

[neoklis]

Hey guys I shouldn't worry much.
You see Toyota is suffering from poor management. They lack of style and imagination. They just prefer to have simple cars, best overall but number one at nothing. Just for the history, one of the worst decisions i ever saw was to try to sell the Supra at Corvette price. Of course they failed and in the end they have stopped the whole production of the Supra.
And also the the 6 generation Celica in the US is bull$hit. Unthinkable to have the Celica SSii in every other country with 170-180 bhp and 125 bhp in the US. Nowonder the Hondas are laughing at you. Believe me they are not that cocky where i come from. They try to compete with the SS II but when the almighty GT4 comes into the picture they just put their tails between their legs and dissappear. Only Evos and STIs are a match where i come from and because of the higher weight of the GT4, Custom duties were a few thousand s more than the EVOs and the STIs.
Probably the best solution for an 8th gen Celica would be a car that is more ergonomic ie the RX8 with its 4 doors.
The Caldina GT4 as it is presented will not do. We get such crap already from those oversized SUVs.
I am very dissapointed with Toyota because the prefer to be known for the Corolla and not for the Celica.

MY hopes are high though. the involvement with formula 1 has to have a positive effect. Otherwise, why the hell are they competeing in races if they dont produce any race cars?

Oh well, we will just have to weight and see. whatever the case we will adapt.

This post has been edited by neoklis: Dec 4, 2003 - 8:53 AM

[boosted_K2]

[NEVERSTOP]

as much as I would hate to see the end of the celica if all toyota could put out is more crap like the 7th gen then I wont loose any sleep over it.. personally I think if all they can could come out with would be a 8th gen built on the 7th gen platform then it would probalby be a favor to just end the celica line.

*in case you couldn't tell I hate the 7gc*

But if they came back the "S" series for the 8th gen then depending on how it looked I would probaby yank out my 3s and plant it in there.

BTW isnt there a version of the is300 that came with the 5sfe or 3sge motor? dont think it was USspec but overseas somewhere?

[Kwanza]

[hioctane]

Man, I lost all faith in toyota..... Toyota is replacing the celica with the caldina which is suppose to be a third Scion car. What kinda retarded name is that? I didn't believe until i saw this:

[GeEkBoY]

I personally think Toyota missed the mark with the 7th gen Celica. Sure the performance of the GTS was marginally better than a 6Gc and the price was lower, however the formula was changing and Toyota pulled a reactive move. In the previous years, high RPM engines came in favor, so Toyota dropped the promise of high torque dropping the high displacement and not offering a turbo.

Toyota had the engine to become a killer in the market if they desired, but they refuse to be leaders in the market. ST215... Instead they followed to where the market was, not where it will be. It was a great hockey player who said you go to where the puck will be, not were the puck is. If you go to where the puck is, it will be gone by the time you get there. TRD superchargers are a quick fix to power problems but they are crude and not optimal. They are like the 4-barrel carbs of the 60's.


My forecast of were I would like Toyota to take the Celica in 2006/2007:

Combine the roots of the Celica with the near past of the Celica. Lightweight car (2700 lbs) 4 cylinder engine, rwd. GT with a 2.4 lt. NA engine 160 HP(can you say 2Z-FE???), GTS with a 240 HP 2.4 lt engine(8 psi on a 2Z-fe engine). This would not be that difficult, and would add a small premium to the GT level car switching to RWD, and the GTS would be less than an RX-8 but much faster. It could use standard components from the Camry, and would not require the high tech-solutions and problems of the 2ZZ-GE.

Am I a fool, or it this a solution that is too simple?
?

This post has been edited by GeEkBoY: Dec 5, 2003 - 12:28 AM

[FallenHero]

if the caldina has a 3sgte. I'd have one.... maybe

The celica always cycles. I bet anything they keep up the patent on the name.... (just like they did after the death of the 6th gen.)

[jayi12-15psi]

geekboy, maybe those could have some ge head, instead of the fe head, I say ban the fe in any toyota sports car.

granted, my gt is enjoyable,but, I'd rather have something with a ge head

[CurrenZS]

how does motortrend figure that the Caldina is 'kind of youth orientated coupe'?

the caldina is and always has been a 5 door wagon based on a japanese sedan inbetween the size of a corolla and a camry and they only have soarer, celica and mrs in japan as sporty coupes

i would have thought that there would be a new celica next year, since the 7th gen came out in 99 and i dont think it would last as long as the 6th gen and it was face lifted a few years from being launched. i reckon watch out for any toyota concept coupes at motorshows like the XYS (was that what it was called?) that was a 'concept' and a few months later the same thing was a celica with a different rear spoiler.

[macavely]

well i think its smart of toyota to change up the celica and switch it over to the scion brand..... ture it's not going to be a toyota celica anymore but shift, things change... scion only had two cars in its line up then need to add cheap more powerful cars to their line up.. i feel toyota it doing some smart moves.... they have lexus.. for the the older richer folk... toyota for your everyday 9 to 5 family person... and now scion for the younger work at burger king just out of high school crowd..

don't be shocked if a few years you see some cars showing up under the scion name plate that resamble a celica, supra, or mr2....

have faith in toyota...

[fastgt]

I think toyota has been slipping in the past few years, they have been shifting towards a more family oriented type of market. But i think its retarded that they get rid of a car that has sold like crazy since the 70's or 60's(not sure which). Anyways i dont think they should get rid of it and they probably wont. I wont be suprised if they quit on the celica, i say this because next year the corollas will have a new model, the corolla xrs which is the same as the 1.8L used in the celica and matrix, so its possible that the corolla will replace the celi......its a shame!!!

[BlackSTX]

[BlackSTX]

[Uppitycracker]

I dont know I think Id ave to see it in person to make a 100% decision but ya I dont think Ill like it. Id rather just get the new mazda3 thats coming out, it looks pretty sweet, and well im at it Ill just upgrade to a RX-8":) Soooooo sweet

[Jeremy1210]

I just hope that all this hooplah isn't true. I really love the celicas. I am not a huge fan of all the body styles, but i think that every gen body style has been a good one. I do know that toyota has been making the celica a weak little bitch since the 5th gen(excl. alltrac). The 6th and 7th are weak cars power wise. maybe they did this on purpose to put more R&D into other cars. If not then they are being dumb. If they dio stop, I will keep my celica till it won't run anymore. I was looking to get a new supra or celica. hell I might not buy another toyota if they stop celica. this just pisses me off

[anubis]

from what i understand after reading a thread on club4ag is...

due to popular demand, they are bringing back the FR corolla. the ae86 specifically. only its not going to be a hachi. its going to be based off the altezza platform. with a 3sge in it.

but its going to be a 3 door hatch looking like a futuristic hachi. the concept designs that i saw were pretty cool. and i know that if that car's base is less than 20K...well it looks like there are going to be plenty of them around.

the car looks nice too. but i think id rather have a hachi with a 4agze.

as for the celica...it wouldnt surprise me if it did die off. atleast it kind of went out with a bang considering the ridiculous amount of 7gc's i see compared to 6gc. hell i see more 5 and 4 gc's than i do 6gc. im surprised it made it to seven.

yeah...US market always gets the shaft...and balls

[celicamanSTX2GT]

[QUOTE]There's no U.S. market for a 2 door AWD turbocharged sports car. That's the big difference maker... the celica is a 2 door sports car... not a 4 door sports sedan. As far as a competitive price goes... gt-4s always were in the 30K range... so that's also very unlikely.



^Just wondering man, why is there no market for 2-door AWD turbos??? i am so sick of seeing mommy sedans flying around with their big ass ends up in the air looking like box

This post has been edited by celicamanSTX2GT: Dec 10, 2003 - 1:39 AM

[Kwanza]

[macavely]

[celicamanSTX2GT]

oh i was just asking you why there is no market for 2 door turbos anymore.. like literally i dont know why so i ask you lol. i see nothing around my town...there isnt not one all trac in town, a few 5th gens, maybe 5 6th gens, and a butt load of 7th's. theres a good number of dsm's round here though that are turboed. what we do have around here are alot of guys runnin around in their protege turbos, neon turbos and other stupid crap... i just hate em cuz i feel it defeats the purpose. why do u need a turbo-charged grocery getter? gotta spool down the road to pick up you kid from school? sedan = family and families shouldnt being riding around in super fast cars is my two cents. But yeah i was just askin why the market is all for turbo sedans over two doors??? it just frustrates me

This post has been edited by celicamanSTX2GT: Dec 10, 2003 - 1:51 PM

[LuDaChRiS]

probably the reason there arent really anymore sport/sporty coupes with balls is because like people have said, theres no market for them. car companies like to tell us what we want, and they pretty much have no clue. most teens (at least, the ones i know) arent hard over corollas and scions (fugly imo btw).

second, most likely its cause no one wants to give a teenager a fast car cause supposedly we're dangerous. i know some are, but that just reeks of ageism (?). mature people arent gonna get em cause they have families, and the ones that dont go for higher end models like corvettes etc. cause what middle aged man wants to be seen in a "kids" car? i dunno...i agree it sucks. just my opinion/idea. any comments?

This post has been edited by LuDaChRiS: Dec 10, 2003 - 3:33 PM

[95WRC]

hey,
NEW Scion Tc will be unveiled Jan 4th in Detroit..

it is a coupe with a hatchback style trunk lid..

looks like 2.4l is only motor w/ s/c available later ..

someone do a seach on net for scion Tc there is a picture of real car back section on a bunch of websites and post here ..


d-

[ConeTrouble]

Well, I am probably going to get flamed on this, but I disagree with those of you that are calling the Celica a sports car. Now, I do agree that it is a sporty, fun-to-drive car, but a sports car it is not.

[GT4SUM]

Out of curiousity, does your guys(americans) 7th gens have 185hp?

[97sccelica]

[macavely]

Cone i agree with you the celica is not a sports car it's a sporty car.. but as for a sports car having to be RWD i disagree on that... a sports car can be FWD and anyone that says you can't get as much HP or TQ out of a FWD is ever much mistaken...

[97sccelica]

[snadman]

Yes.

[macavely]

[97sccelica]

LSD helps, but when a high power car launches, there is a weight shift to the back, naturally reducing the weight on the front wheels, reducing front wheel traction.

then there is torque steer, which is annoying in my ST-T

[macavely]

[FallenHero]

I personally like what that guy MR-E said on celica.net. He has a JDM GT-4. He said he just drives around corners and floors it, he lets his differentials sort it out. True, understeer can be a problem with AWD, but AWD like a skyline is the greatest.

From what I have read,the skyline GT-R's are basically RWD, but when they Really lose traction, the front end catches and it's all over

Jon

[neoklis]

The Celica not a sports car? You must be kidding.

If the celica is not a sports car then what kind of car was carlos sainz was driving when he was winning all those chiampionships?

The problem is that \many thigs are different and different countries. In the US the distances are bigger, the cars are a lot bigger etc. In my country a 2000cc car is considered a big car. I live on a small island and the distances are not that great, so people do not need large and high powered cars. So the measure of comparison is different from country to country.
I have a GT4 and my friends have SS III and GT4s and even if you do not tune this cars they are sport enough.
SS III 200bhp, 21 torque
GT4 260bhp, 31 torque

I agree with many of you that the 7th gen is a bit crap. But not a lot. in my point of view the 7 is decent.

Marketing and promotion plays a big role. Just look what Mitsubishi, Pegeot, Subaru accomplished. You just cannot say you have a sports car if you dont race it internationally against other cars. And i do not think that anyone disagrees with me when i say that Impreza or the Lancer has a sports car design

Personally 6g Celica best car ever. (first gen Celica in second place-just loved the rwd when i was kid)

[BlackSTX]

[blkGT]

without 16k mustangs, camaros and firebirds. toyota would be stupid to not release a new, not a pricey. more bang for your buck engine wise celica.

these companys dont realize how much they are going to miss their small cheap selling sports cars.

look at ford, the f'ed up. how many mustangs do yo usee driving thru town. i dont know about you but i gurantee i see 50 a day. not looking for them. and for ford to just cut them out and make the new mustang with a $$ of 50k+. Thats ridiculous.

Toyota better bring the celica back. we need more cheap sports cars.

z's, rx-8s, and such are great. But they are all over 30k