Bin Laden dead, Bought the farm Options

[95CelicaST]

Finally.





Discuss.

[Defgeph]

Its about F'ing time.

[njccmd2002]

Hes not dead until Donald Trump sees the death certificate.

[mak5603]

Cool.

Now maybe we can stop being team America world police and go back to minding our own business and figuring out and solving our own problems...

[Zake]

i was wondering how fast this was going to show up on here.

[95CelicaST]

I'm on the ball.

[cheela]

heard it first from 6gc! hahahha

[HectortheRican]

Hes not dead until Donald Trump sees the death certificate.

[808celica]

This must be the BEST Hide-and-Seek game ever

[eboz74]

i think he faked his death....

[95CelicaST]

I heard it on tv and yelled pics or it never happened.

Forum language is taking over my life.

[azn87]

now can our gas prices go down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zake]

now can our gas prices go down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as long as oil is traded as a commodity, it will never go down, only up.

[SwissFerdi]

How about a big who gives a ****?

Sure, 9/11 was obviously a tragic day for many reasons, and the perpetrators deserved punishment accordingly. Bin Laden's death is sure to inspire more hate because America killed a symbol of anti-Western resistance. Cue more war...

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: May 2, 2011 - 10:38 AM

[jordisonjr]

Not to mention US still has his body so his people can't do there ceremonies or whatever it is they do with them when they die, so they are probably gunna be even more pissed.

[KAOS]

Not to mention US still has his body so his people can't do there ceremonies or whatever it is they do with them when they die, so they are probably gunna be even more pissed.

I heard on the radio that they gave him a naval funeral (out to sea, or something like that).

[SwissFerdi]

Not to mention US still has his body so his people can't do there ceremonies or whatever it is they do with them when they die, so they are probably gunna be even more pissed.

The news says that bin Laden received a "burial at sea." Means he was teetered a few hundred feet over water in a heli and some "lucky" US soldier got the last kick to start his career swimming with 72 virgins fish.

[jordisonjr]

Yea I just saw that on the news now, Last night obama said us had him, I guess the burrial hadn't happened yet.
Enjoy your fish sir. ha

[SupraKid]

And? Does everyone seriously think his death is going to stop ANYTHING that is going on in the middle east?As if all the people in the middle east are going to bow down because it took us 10 god damn years and who knows how many billions to finally supposedly kill him. Because within the last 10 years no one else has come into power within Saddam's regime to take over, if Saddam even died.



However: AMERICA, F*CK YEA

This post has been edited by SupraKid: May 2, 2011 - 1:41 PM

[manphibian]

It's amazing what the CoD players can achieve when the Playstation network is down

[TheChildOfTheSea]

It's amazing what the CoD players can achieve when the Playstation network is down

pouhahaha!

[easternpiro1]

im sorry... if this happened 9.5 years ago i would have been impressed.


we spent BILLIONS of dollars to use bin laden as an excuse to mask THE REAL REASON why we went into afghanistan and Iraq.

was BILLIONS, our economy, beloved soldiers worth ONE GUY?!? (who BTW is now a MARTYR ie. immortal now) NO.


some guy with failing health is dead.... it took us ten years to find him. wow. Bush was buddies with his family, im inclined to believe he died from his health complications, we found out, and put a bullet in his head... IF that even happened.


PICS/PROOF or it didnt happen.

[Supersprynt]

What was the real reason?

The war and the economy downturn are 2 separate occurrences, they aren't related. Pics will eventually link on to the internet, but can the conspiracy theories please stop?

[mak5603]

What was the real reason?

The war and the economy downturn are 2 separate occurrences, they aren't related. Pics will eventually link on to the internet, but can the conspiracy theories please stop?

I'm assuming he is talking oil.

And for the second part, if you are believing the government's word on all of this and not being open to what you are calling conspiracies, then you are just a perfect example of why the government says what they do..because people will believe anything they hear the government say. Because everyone wants to believe the government has every individual and our freedom in their best interest, but they don't, it's all about money, not freedom..

[Supersprynt]

Granted the government can be shady as all hell with ulterior motives, but it's just sad that people have to cry CONSPIRACY! every time something like this happens. It just falls on deaf ears now.

Does anyone know where we get most of our oil... Canada. Not the middle east. They're not even second.

Finally — do I believe the government on all this? Yes. I think they got a good tip on where he was, and they took him out without letting Pakistan know. I think SEAL team killed whoever they need to to kill him, and they dumped his piece of sh!t corpse in the ocean.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 2, 2011 - 7:52 PM

[lagos]

PICS/PROOF or it didnt happen.

Do you need to see the long form death certificate, Mr. Trump?

Anyway, not every single thing in the world is a conspiracy.
He was a real guy, he was the leader of a terrorist group, and the way they found and killed him seems reasonable. Why did it take so long? Because I don't believe Bush was really looking for him. He was too busy with Iraq.

[trebilihp]

Members should'nt talk about politics and/or religion...

[mkernz22]

it's in off topic & we have freedom of speech

glad to see this guy is dead now. I just find it strange that out of any day of the year, he had to be confirmed dead on May 1st. Hitler died on April 30th, but was confirmed dead on May 1st too. Hmmm

This post has been edited by mkernz22: May 2, 2011 - 10:25 PM

[njccmd2002]

its all a lie,

Noriega, Hussein and Bin Laden are playing UNO over at guantanamo.

[BonzaiCelica]

we shall celebrate at the falll of gas prices. So we can drive our celica around to more places hehe.

you guys should do some youtube watching its so fun. only reason USA sticks their nose into any other country is to control control control and to gain more POWER!!! No way in hell does the Government care for how much we are struggling in this recessions soon to be Depression. this country is going downhill its only a matter of time before it happens.

exactly proof or it didn't happen. People believe anything on tv especially the bs that the media feeds us.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 2, 2011 - 11:23 PM

[Supersprynt]

Your getting your information about the world on YouTube eh?

Soon to be depression? Are you aware that the jobless rate has been decreasing along with stock market rising? Perhaps YouTube isn't such a great idea.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 2, 2011 - 11:31 PM

[Promasta]

proof

*SNIP*

jk think its a photoshop

[lagos]

Its a fake, and a little to graphic for this site!

[johnnehh]

Looks legit to me.

This post has been edited by johnnehh: May 3, 2011 - 1:30 AM

[easternpiro1]

What was the real reason?

The war and the economy downturn are 2 separate occurrences, they aren't related. Pics will eventually link on to the internet, but can the conspiracy theories please stop?

economy has EVERYTHING to do with war good buddy, Economy = money Wars cost money... what dont we have at the moment? money. money into something more constructive than chasing a guy around and loosing 4400 american soliers on top of the people we lost on 9/11 aint worth that dirtbag bin laden. I just wont believe that the WTC can fall down on its self PERFECTLY after only burning a couple hours. not to mention several friends of mine live not too far from WTC, and they told me they heard the explosions THEN the building went down. but im not going to start with the conspiracy theories....

as far as reason, look up haliburton, and also why go after someone who had nothing to do with bin laden (saddam) he hated that guy as much as we do.

What was the real reason?

The war and the economy downturn are 2 separate occurrences, they aren't related. Pics will eventually link on to the internet, but can the conspiracy theories please stop?

I'm assuming he is talking oil.

And for the second part, if you are believing the government's word on all of this and not being open to what you are calling conspiracies, then you are just a perfect example of why the government says what they do..because people will believe anything they hear the government say. Because everyone wants to believe the government has every individual and our freedom in their best interest, but they don't, it's all about money, not freedom..

I wish there was a like button in here ^^ the govt aint all bad but they sure as hell aint all good

PICS/PROOF or it didnt happen.

Do you need to see the long form death certificate, Mr. Trump?

Anyway, not every single thing in the world is a conspiracy.
He was a real guy, he was the leader of a terrorist group, and the way they found and killed him seems reasonable. Why did it take so long? Because I don't believe Bush was really looking for him. He was too busy with Iraq.

LOL im also planning to run for president and turn it into a circus! lol

[SupraKid]

Looks legit to me.

You dont even own a celica...gtfo.....

[malpaso]

Are you really that optimistic? You really believe any politician will share with truth to the people??? Where do you thing you live?

[BonzaiCelica]

Your getting your information about the world on YouTube eh?

Soon to be depression? Are you aware that the jobless rate has been decreasing along with stock market rising? Perhaps YouTube isn't such a great idea.

eh not really but I guess you can say that religion has an affect on that as well. Look at music industry, jfk. c'mon you can't seriously believe all the **** they feed the u.s.

and youtube isn't really my source for it. your right I haven't been paying attention to stocks nor the job rate.

This is no place to talk about this topic, especially online behind a computer screen. We will get no where, but yes thanks easternpiro...

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 3, 2011 - 2:32 AM

[manphibian]

For what it's worth i suspect that they have just learned through the new intelligence that he died a long time ago. I just find it difficult to believe that in all this time, not one person in that area would go for the $25m reward and rat him out.

[mak5603]

Members should'nt talk about politics and/or religion...

Clicking the topic is completely optional.

[BonzaiCelica]

sorrry but I just had to haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us...feature=related

[malpaso]

sorrry but I just had to haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us...feature=related

Do not know how funny what is said inside is but if that Danish scientist (Niels Harrit) is right I would not laugh at all... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

...and one more post "dead BL picture" related:



No more comments

This post has been edited by malpaso: May 3, 2011 - 6:50 AM

[95CelicaST]

Yeah that picture is a fake. That has been proven.

I think that the people are going to want to see real pictures. We know we killed saddam because a video surfaced of his hanging.

Personally I don't care, but americans want closure, and simply taking the government's word isn't closure.

[Supersprynt]

What was the real reason?

The war and the economy downturn are 2 separate occurrences, they aren't related. Pics will eventually link on to the internet, but can the conspiracy theories please stop?

economy has EVERYTHING to do with war good buddy, Economy = money Wars cost money... what dont we have at the moment? money. money into something more constructive than chasing a guy around and loosing 4400 american soliers on top of the people we lost on 9/11 aint worth that dirtbag bin laden. I just wont believe that the WTC can fall down on its self PERFECTLY after only burning a couple hours. not to mention several friends of mine live not too far from WTC, and they told me they heard the explosions THEN the building went down. but im not going to start with the conspiracy theories....

You just lost all credibility with me. You're one of those "Loose Change" believers huh?

In 2001 when we were attacked, we retaliated. The economy wasn't a factor in this decision. There wasn't a choice. 8 years later the economy takes a ****, and you what, want to up and leave the area? You can't just do that. You can't go in looking for blood and leave without it. We went in for Osama, and weren't going to leave until we had him. Iraq was bull****, we can all agree on that. Those 4400, well 4424 to be exact, were Operation Iraqi Freedom, not Operation Enduring Freedom, which was the Afghan mission. We lost 1,461 in Afghanistan. Those 4424 were unnecessary, and I was/am totally against going into Iraq. It was based on lies and that isn't up for debate.

You already started with conspiracy theories. There were NO explosives in the WTC, the buildings fell down, not perfectly, they fell. Did you want them to fall down like a tree or something? Do actually think the Pentagon was hit with a missile? You people say "don't believe what the government tells you" but you believe a video made by some kid from Oneonta, NY. I lived in Oneonta, or it's monicre: Stoneonta, and that's enough to keep me skeptical.

To seriously believe that the government had a hand in 4 planes being hijacked, 2 driven into the tallest buildings in NYC, killing thousands, just to what... start a war? Get oil? It's ludicrous. It's ludicrous to think such a terrible event was orchestrated by MANY people who didn't have a problem with it, and didn't come out and say YES this was all so-and-so's idea. Eyewitnesses said they heard explosions? Eyewitnesses see UFOs, Bigfoot, Nessie, ghosts, and what else have you on a daily basis.

Cliff notes: Osama is dead, we killed him. Why wasn't he already? Because a$$holes like that never die soon enough. 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 3, 2011 - 9:30 AM

[Supersprynt]

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This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 3, 2011 - 12:08 PM

[easternpiro1]

calm down calm down... so youre saying with all the holes and unsaid things that went on, this is a conspiracy? im sure u saw the video someone posted earlier about building 7. at first i thought it was bullcrap too, i didnt know 7 collapsed. why would an untouched building collapse?! just askin...




and by the way. there are evil people in this world, and to turn a blind eye or to underestimate ANYBODY is a biiig mistake.

as far as the economy, im just saying $$ spent elsewhere hurts nonetheless.

you said yourself the iraq war was based off a lie... do you really think that people (Our govt officals) that lie about getting into a unecessary war wouldnt lie about 911?! i dont know exactly WHY they would lie but i DO know that War makes money for a select few, and cheney and bush are good buddies with those select few.


im done. continue thread, ignore me trying to do what this country was based on... QUESTIONING AUTHORITY.

btw... im not mad@ u super, i like ya!

[Supersprynt]

I'm calm and I don't have a problem with you at all. This is spirited discussion is all.

Building 7 was affected by the towers falling, and started fires. The end result was damage to structural integrity, causing the building to fall.

The Iraq invasion was based upon the idea that Hussein had weapons capable of mass destruction. He didn't; so that was the lie. I can't claim to know whether Bush knew of this or was just told of the misinformation. Whatever happened, it was bad intelligence and maybe some Bush, Sr. influence crept in. The end result was the death of Hussein, but the cost was pretty high considering the state of Iraq in the first place.

[SupraKid]

You can't go in looking for blood and leave without it.

Obviously you can.That war in the 60s proved that.

I think Osama was not killed 2 days ago, i don't doubt that he may actually be dead, but it wasn't 2 days ago. The whole "omg 9/11 was all the government" conspiracy is BS, i mean its been almost 10 years and no one has found any hard evidence linking any government agency to the terrorists. Do I think the government had anything to do with it?no. Do i think they used it in their own best interests to invade the middle east.Yes.

This post has been edited by SupraKid: May 3, 2011 - 1:06 PM

[lagos]

I think osama died the way they said he did. I don't see any evidence to disprove that beyond just being skeptical about everything.

As for 9/11, planes flew into those two buildings. There is no denying that.
As for that causing 3 buildings to collapse the way that they did.... as an engineering student, I have some doubts about that.
If the question to find the falling rate of a pancake collapsing building came up on a physics test, I can tell you for sure that the answer would not be 9.8m/s^2.

This post has been edited by lagos: May 3, 2011 - 1:49 PM

[Supersprynt]

You can't go in looking for blood and leave without it.

Obviously you can.That war in the 60s proved that.

I think Osama was not killed 2 days ago, i don't doubt that he may actually be dead, but it wasn't 2 days ago. The whole "omg 9/11 was all the government" conspiracy is BS, i mean its been almost 10 years and no one has found any hard evidence linking any government agency to the terrorists. Do I think the government had anything to do with it?no. Do i think they used it in their own best interests to invade the middle east.Yes.

What? I'm guessing that you mean the Vietnam War? That took place from '55 to '75, and we didn't go in looking for blood, we went in trying to prevent Communist take over of South Vietnam. There's a bit of a difference in there.

May I ask why you think Osama was not killed 2 days ago?

[SupraKid]

Because back in 2001 we knew that he had health problems(i think kidney), i cant imagine a 44 year old in his condition, even with his astronomical connections to be able to evade the force of the US military for 10 more years. Also I find it hard to believe that after 10 years not one person said anything about his whereabouts to claim the 100,000$ reward, not to mention that hundreds if not thousands of mail mary bombings we did of the mountains and caves. I'm not saying that its impossible that he was killed 2 days ago, it just seems like the Government finally released this news with some ulterior motive.

This post has been edited by SupraKid: May 3, 2011 - 2:40 PM

[Supersprynt]

Just as we "knew" there were WMDs in Iraq? People were kept in the dark about his whereabouts, Al Qaeda included. Not to mention, if you ever watched say, Restrepo, the locals are scared sh!tless of these people. Sure, we bombed caves in Afghanistan... but look where he turned up. An affluent town deep in Pakistan. No where near where we were "bombing".

It's like the mafia, nobody talks to the police for fear of getting rubbed out.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 3, 2011 - 2:49 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

do you believe in anything the Bible says!? a simple yes or no answer and I will stop bugging you.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 3, 2011 - 8:26 PM

[easternpiro1]

the simple fact that those buildings fell the way they did made me question. the simple fact that a building NOT HIT fell the way it did made me question even more. yes a plane hit those buildings, jet fuel does not burn hot enough to cause steel to melt. and when it collapsed, why was all the rubble IMMEDIATELY destroyed and not heard of again?! i mean JEEEZ a plane crashes and they put the WHOLE DAMN PLANE back together with pieces they find to see what the cause was even AFTER they know through black box info. WHY IN THE HELL did they not do that with the building.... more suspicion. dont say that its obvious that the building was hit by a plane either lol. dosent looking at that video that someone posted make you A LITTLE suspicious?

You can't go in looking for blood and leave without it.

Obviously you can.That war in the 60s proved that.

I think Osama was not killed 2 days ago, i don't doubt that he may actually be dead, but it wasn't 2 days ago. The whole "omg 9/11 was all the government" conspiracy is BS, i mean its been almost 10 years and no one has found any hard evidence linking any government agency to the terrorists. Do I think the government had anything to do with it?no. Do i think they used it in their own best interests to invade the middle east.Yes.

I think osama died the way they said he did. I don't see any evidence to disprove that beyond just being skeptical about everything.

As for 9/11, planes flew into those two buildings. There is no denying that.
As for that causing 3 buildings to collapse the way that they did.... as an engineering student, I have some doubts about that.
If the question to find the falling rate of a pancake collapsing building came up on a physics test, I can tell you for sure that the answer would not be 9.8m/s^2.

THANK YOU art!! and that right there is enough cause for suspicion! (not to mention the explosive bits found in the dust of the WTC collapse)

do you believe in anything the Bible says!? a simple yes or no answer and I will stop bugging you.

bonzai celica... that is probably the best argument ive heard on here.... and im not even going to get into that one....

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: May 3, 2011 - 11:58 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

people will believe what they want to and persuading someone to believe in something else while your sitting behind a computer screen is like winning the lotto

[malpaso]

FOLKS! I bet many, many of you here are patriots and believe in a lot of things. For someone who believe is very hard even think about any other option... I have learned during my short life not everything is that clear as it seems and nothing is just black or white (period). I really respect you believe in anything. Just please do not try to make be believe the same and PLEASE do not be angry on me if I have doubts...

[Supersprynt]

The Bible is irrelevant. Not sure why it's being brought up and it's certainly not the best argument. Explain your reasoning and perhaps we can have a proper argument about it. This isn't about religion, so you're point should certainly be able to be made with different subject matter.

Building 7 was damaged by falling debris and started a fire. Feel like I'm repeating myself here.

Lots of the steel in the buildings was recycled. Did you actually just say to put a building back together after it collapsed...?

When I first saw "Loose Change" it did bring up some questions, but then I did more research, and Loose Change is full of misinformation and conjecture. Explosive bits? Please tell me you're not talking about the Copenhagen guy who wouldn't let anybody else see the samples or confirm his findings.

Yes, people believe what they want to. That's the whole problem. They don't pay attention to facts and sound argument; they cover their ears and yell I CAN'T HEAAAAAAAAAAR YOUUUUUUUUUUU! If someone were to bring some sort of evidence to contrary that can be replicated and confirmed by multiple scientific processes then I can certainly change my opinion. But watching "Loose Change" and thinking you know something from some kid who started making the film based on fiction is a far cry from compelling evidence.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 4, 2011 - 10:21 AM

[easternpiro1]

The Bible is irrelevant. Not sure why it's being brought up and it's certainly not the best argument. Explain your reasoning and perhaps we can have a proper argument about it. This isn't about religion, so you're point should certainly be able to be made with different subject matter.

Building 7 was damaged by falling debris and started a fire. Feel like I'm repeating myself here.

Lots of the steel in the buildings was recycled. Did you actually just say to put a building back together after it collapsed...?

When I first saw "Loose Change" it did bring up some questions, but then I did more research, and Loose Change is full of misinformation and conjecture. Explosive bits? Please tell me you're not talking about the Copenhagen guy who wouldn't let anybody else see the samples or confirm his findings.

Yes, people believe what they want to. That's the whole problem. They don't pay attention to facts and sound argument; they cover their ears and yell I CAN'T HEAAAAAAAAAAR YOUUUUUUUUUUU! If someone were to bring some sort of evidence to contrary that can be replicated and confirmed by multiple scientific processes then I can certainly change my opinion. But watching "Loose Change" and thinking you know something from some kid who started making the film based on fiction is a far cry from compelling evidence.

Ok, im a firm believer in christ, but thats not the argument i aggree with part of your statement.

a building fell on itself in THAT manner (almost exactly like a controlled demolition) because debris fell on it? that dosent seem physically sound.

i didnt mean put a building back together, that would be crazy. i was comparing it to how in depth they investigate a plane crash, in comparison to the building collapse. I know they recycled the material... BUT GOT DAMN!! the metal was still hot when they did it!!! (isnt it suspicous how quick they hauled it off? and no im not expecting them to keep it forever.

im not going off of loose change, im going off of several family members who spent years in the demolition business THAT WERE THERE that said there was a WHOLE lot of funny business going on, not to mention, how the building fell, where it fell, and the excuses given when talking with business associates helping with the clean up process.

The scientific evidience of a builing in freefall, or the melting point of steel, or the maximum burning capacity of jet fuel werent enough to be suspicious?

But anyway, isnt it cool how bin laden was living half a mile from a military academy? lol... talk about hiding in plain sight! I wonder how long he was there?

lol @ jon stewart saying he wasnt "hiding" he was chillin!!

[SupraKid]

Haha amazing, immediate Burial at sea, no photos, yea they definitely killed him. Obama chooses not to release photos

This post has been edited by SupraKid: May 4, 2011 - 1:30 PM

[lagos]

Haha amazing, immediate Burial at sea, no photos, yea they definitely killed him. Obama chooses not to release photos

Think of it this way. Real or not, the IDEA of Bin Laden is dead... and that is a good thing.
You will never see America blaming him for anything else and you will never see him taking credit for anything he did or didn't do. And in that sense, yes they did kill him.

[SupraKid]

Haha amazing, immediate Burial at sea, no photos, yea they definitely killed him. Obama chooses not to release photos

Think of it this way. Real or not, the IDEA of Bin Laden is dead... and that is a good thing.
You will never see America blaming him for anything else and you will never see him taking credit for anything he did or didn't do. And in that sense, yes they did kill him.

Yea i would agree, he is more of an icon than anything else and that he physically died years ago, but they are announcing it for other reasons. Such as "now that Osama is dead we need to send more troops to finally end this" or something to that extent.

[Supersprynt]

Great, now we have conspiracy theorists who say either he was dead already or not dead at all. I promise you this, if he weren't dead you'd know by now.

What scientific evidence? The building didn't have to melt, it only had to buckle in the right places. Same with Building 7. It buckled. Jet fuel ignited fires, it didn't sustain them.

I'm not suspicious at all. I chalk that up to common sense. People can say they heard explosions, which is funny, because there were none. Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable of any. There were no seismic recordings of explosions, the buildings didn't fall straight down (they hit several buildings around them as they fell). The Marriott World Trade Center, 4 World Trade Center, 5 World Trade Center, 6 World Trade Center, and St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church was practicall demolished. Besides, demolition uses implosion, not explosion.

This is all stuff that the National Institute of Science & Tech went over. Everything else is pure conjecture.

Some light reading:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...842?page=5#wtc7

I've spent way to much of my work day on trying to keep people from being pulled into nonsense. Those who think all this crap still are going to forever.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 4, 2011 - 3:18 PM

[SupraKid]

I don't doubt hes dead, I'm sure he is. I'm doubting that we tracked him down and killed him last week, and the random **** like he used his wife as a shield is just annoying propaganda.

[BonzaiCelica]

ok so then your answer was c. none of the above. ok got it, and the bible isn't irrelevant. lets just stick to celica guys this topic is just going in circles.

[samir0189]

Time for a little poetry:

bin Laden is dead; why isn't this thread?

[freddy121389]

bin laden died just like they said, they wont go into details to protect our governments security and special ops, if we let them know how we operate we might as well just give up. Don't get a hissy fit just because there's holes in information, the government deems what is safe and unsafe to release to the public. Other than that i can't help ya'll,

[Sh0gunkid8721]

What was the real reason?

The war and the economy downturn are 2 separate occurrences, they aren't related. Pics will eventually link on to the internet, but can the conspiracy theories please stop?

economy has EVERYTHING to do with war good buddy, Economy = money Wars cost money... what dont we have at the moment? money. money into something more constructive than chasing a guy around and loosing 4400 american soliers on top of the people we lost on 9/11 aint worth that dirtbag bin laden. I just wont believe that the WTC can fall down on its self PERFECTLY after only burning a couple hours. not to mention several friends of mine live not too far from WTC, and they told me they heard the explosions THEN the building went down. but im not going to start with the conspiracy theories....

as far as reason, look up haliburton, and also why go after someone who had nothing to do with bin laden (saddam) he hated that guy as much as we do.

What was the real reason?

The war and the economy downturn are 2 separate occurrences, they aren't related. Pics will eventually link on to the internet, but can the conspiracy theories please stop?

I'm assuming he is talking oil.

And for the second part, if you are believing the government's word on all of this and not being open to what you are calling conspiracies, then you are just a perfect example of why the government says what they do..because people will believe anything they hear the government say. Because everyone wants to believe the government has every individual and our freedom in their best interest, but they don't, it's all about money, not freedom..

I wish there was a like button in here ^^ the govt aint all bad but they sure as hell aint all good

PICS/PROOF or it didnt happen.

Do you need to see the long form death certificate, Mr. Trump?

Anyway, not every single thing in the world is a conspiracy.
He was a real guy, he was the leader of a terrorist group, and the way they found and killed him seems reasonable. Why did it take so long? Because I don't believe Bush was really looking for him. He was too busy with Iraq.

LOL im also planning to run for president and turn it into a circus! lol

That's BULL. My uncle was in the 2nd tower and saw the first plane go into the first tower and never did he mention anything of an explosion. He was as close as it got and if that first plane had hit the 2nd tower first, he'd be gone. Your friends were obviously making up retarded bogus stories to make their side of the story sound interesting.

Some people need to get their facts straight.

[Supersprynt]

ok so then your answer was c. none of the above. ok got it, and the bible isn't irrelevant. lets just stick to celica guys this topic is just going in circles.

First, you need to address who you're talking to. Second, did I miss a multiple choice question somewhere? And third, yes, it's completely irrelevant, and since I asked you to clarify or make a point, and you haven't, your posts are absolutely worthless.

BTW: Al Qaeda confirmed he was killed in the raid the other day.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 6, 2011 - 11:07 AM

[BonzaiCelica]

like i said it all comes back to religion and the fact is that this topic is just another factor of how it backs up everything the bible has said. But anyways why did you sell your car??

[yarik83]

Supersprint. Your hypothesis of what did or did not happen 10 years ago have physically made me turn my spider sense on and find this tread and therefore I am morally obligated to respond.

I am NOT going to tell you what happened on that day because you are heavily biased against anything that has word conspiracy in it. What I will tell you is ... lets play a little game. We shall call it "word association".

Fill in the blank:

Kentucky Fried........
Monica.......
Mercedes......
Conspiracy......

Riiiiight... do you see the pattern? We all have pre-formed associations to certain keywords and one of those keyword is word "conspiracy" . When someone mentions that word we all think 2 things. #1 some nut out there trying to disprove something and #2 someone hiding something that seems outrageous thus feeding in #1.

I do not know how you came to your 9/11 conclusion but I beg you for your own sake go out there and find credible research. And no I do not mean the kind of research that comes from NIST that came out with 9/11 commission report. I mean credible research.

Morale of this story is that I do not want you to do something you do not want to do... but if you have time and patience then by all means try to figure out why half of this planet is strongly convinced that there were major shenanigans going on.

What will happen to the story is that it will be taught in school. And when it will be taught in school it will be passed on to future generations who will not even question anything. Heck my little sisters have just began learning about 9/11 and they have already formulated opinions based on what their teacher told them and it breaks my heart that I will have to wait until they are old enough to fully understand what went on to enlighten them to all details they have not learned in school.

Currently there are scientists, engineers, teachers, pilots, civilians and governments who are convinced that official story is false. And those are not your typical fatsos living in parents basement theorizing things on the web. These are credible people who find so many plot holes that it is mind boggling. It is hard not to find plot holes unless you intentionally chose to ignore them.

[easternpiro1]

Supersprint. Your hypothesis of what did or did not happen 10 years ago have physically made me turn my spider sense on and find this tread and therefore I am morally obligated to respond.

I am NOT going to tell you what happened on that day because you are heavily biased against anything that has word conspiracy in it. What I will tell you is ... lets play a little game. We shall call it "word association".

Fill in the blank:

Kentucky Fried........
Monica.......
Mercedes......
Conspiracy......

Riiiiight... do you see the pattern? We all have pre-formed associations to certain keywords and one of those keyword is word "conspiracy" . When someone mentions that word we all think 2 things. #1 some nut out there trying to disprove something and #2 someone hiding something that seems outrageous thus feeding in #1.

I do not know how you came to your 9/11 conclusion but I beg you for your own sake go out there and find credible research. And no I do not mean the kind of research that comes from NIST that came out with 9/11 commission report. I mean credible research.

Morale of this story is that I do not want you to do something you do not want to do... but if you have time and patience then by all means try to figure out why half of this planet is strongly convinced that there were major shenanigans going on.

What will happen to the story is that it will be taught in school. And when it will be taught in school it will be passed on to future generations who will not even question anything. Heck my little sisters have just began learning about 9/11 and they have already formulated opinions based on what their teacher told them and it breaks my heart that I will have to wait until they are old enough to fully understand what went on to enlighten them to all details they have not learned in school.

Currently there are scientists, engineers, teachers, pilots, civilians and governments who are convinced that official story is false. And those are not your typical fatsos living in parents basement theorizing things on the web. These are credible people who find so many plot holes that it is mind boggling. It is hard not to find plot holes unless you intentionally chose to ignore them.

^THIS X100,000,000,000

[richee3]

A conspiracy theory is just that: a theory. It will most likely never be proven true or false. Besides, who cares if Bin Laden dies a week ago or ten years ago? Who cares if it was from natural causes or SEAL Team 6? It's a given that Bin Laden hasn't had any authority in years. Somebody else took over for him long ago so his death is more irrelevant than this entire thread.

[yarik83]

It matters a lot richee.

14 trillion dollars of debt came out from hunting Bin Laden. That is not a walk in the park. 14 trillion dollars should alone raise questions because you will have to pay it off for the rest of your natural life, your children will too and their children and their grand children and their grand grand children. If Osama died 10 years ago then we have spent 14 trillion for nothing. Unless you are talking about dumping 1.6 trillion dollars per year into USA army and anti terrorist activities. The kind of cash that exceeds combined GDP of most (not all) countries out there. If real Bin Laden died as a result of seal attack (which by the day sounds very implausible) then we have spent 14 trillion dollars for nothing because intelligence and a small team could have ended this thing 10 years ago.

Whether Osama is dead or not... that is not the point and if it was then Obama would have paraded his dead corpse for a year for all to see. And yet lets look at the facts.

Obama who's ratings were falling gave a green light on unreliable evidence of world's most wanted criminal being located in a so called million dollar mansion. They send out super secret helicopters (that apparently world does not know about yet) and the best of the best. One chopper goes down so they tried to blow it up. That did not work so they planned to blow it up again. In all the squabble some bearded guy died, some marine lied next to him to check out how tall he was, dna sample taken, photos taken, and Osama's corpse picked up and off they went to dump him into the sea according to muslim burial traditions.

In reality it takes a substantial amount of time to do DNA sampling. 15 days for a negative and as much as 30 days or more for a positive match. Even with supercomputers processing all dna matches it will take time. Time to get sample to a super computer, hopefully in tact and not contaminated. Kind of thing that is not available on every corner. In reality muslim tradition dictates burial on land unless person died at sea and it was impossible to bury him or her on land. Then of course a million dollar mansion turns out to look like every other thing in the background. Crumbling walls, no furniture, 3 floors of completely stripped out home that is not typical of people living there. Home was built years ago and you would think for a million dollars there would be swimming pools, plasma tvs and more. But lets leave that aside for a minute. Lets examine other things.

USA did not have to come out and say that they killed Osama. That would go against premise of continuous warfare which military contractors grew to love. But they did and Obama while humble have got his ratings back up again. USA army got a pat on the back. Relationship with Pakistan has escalated to uneasy (which could justify invasion hint hint), but more importantly there is absolutely no evidence of anything. It is quite equivalent of lets pick a country on a map... ohh I dont know Norway,,, announcing to the world they killed bin laden and dumped him into the sea and they are not sharing the evidence. To THAT entire globe would have said... yeah riiiiiight... and USA doing the same thing is raising nothing but eye brows. Even media contradicts itself as they are trying to rubber sheet stretch official story into believable news worthy thing. And things are just not making sense. Guards that were unarmed. Chickens running about million dollar compound, empty home, bare walls, dirty floors, journalists contradicting each other, seals contradicting each other etc.

What has happened will not stop lines at the airport or frisk searches and pat downs, the x ray machines and the wands and it will not stop the war and it will certainly be one of those... yeah yeah lets move on kind of things.

If Osama is still alive then he has no reason to reveal it. In death he can become a godfather figure, appoint some new terror guy and go off the radar.

[SwissFerdi]

He's back, ladies and gentlemen. A round of applause for our favorite Russian.

[easternpiro1]

THANK YOU yarik! i wasnt trying to doubt the military action.... but now that you mention it... HELL YEAH!!!! WTF?!?

You also further proved my point about the deficit we're in. OVER ONE MAN. I swear... its almost like he was just an excuse to go over there to cover up the REAL reason u.s has an interest in the afghan area.

dont pay attention to the T.V. news. its an obvious attempt to get the people of U.S. to think inside the boxes that we like to cram things in. super conservative middle of the road and super liberal... INSERT THE 3 NEWS CHANNELS HERE.

Its a shame that things have gotten this bad. we used to be a nation of thinkers, meaning we naturally question things that look off, and not be afraid to hold people accountable for their shenanigans. they give us a little scrap of flimsy evidence and expect people to belive it. what a slap in the face. its as if theyre saying: "here take this quick video clip and shut up".

[yarik83]

Well financially speaking it is hard not to have financial interests in middle east.

That entire zone albeit fragmented and in conflict for many years is filled with rich deposits of just about everything that is precious. Gas, Oil, precious minerals. Afganistan alone has huge deposits of in demand lithium and gold. Of course it is harder to pitch non humanitarian interests to public but middle east to the world is nothing more than a giant precious great tasting natural resource pie dressed up in humanitarian white lab coat.

[easternpiro1]

Gold?!? Really?! I knew about the lithium but not gold.... Hmmmmmm the plot thickens...

[Supersprynt]

Supersprint. Your hypothesis of what did or did not happen 10 years ago have physically made me turn my spider sense on and find this tread and therefore I am morally obligated to respond.

I am NOT going to tell you what happened on that day because you are heavily biased against anything that has word conspiracy in it. What I will tell you is ... lets play a little game. We shall call it "word association".

Fill in the blank:

Kentucky Fried........
Monica.......
Mercedes......
Conspiracy......

Riiiiight... do you see the pattern? We all have pre-formed associations to certain keywords and one of those keyword is word "conspiracy" . When someone mentions that word we all think 2 things. #1 some nut out there trying to disprove something and #2 someone hiding something that seems outrageous thus feeding in #1.

I do not know how you came to your 9/11 conclusion but I beg you for your own sake go out there and find credible research. And no I do not mean the kind of research that comes from NIST that came out with 9/11 commission report. I mean credible research.

Morale of this story is that I do not want you to do something you do not want to do... but if you have time and patience then by all means try to figure out why half of this planet is strongly convinced that there were major shenanigans going on.

What will happen to the story is that it will be taught in school. And when it will be taught in school it will be passed on to future generations who will not even question anything. Heck my little sisters have just began learning about 9/11 and they have already formulated opinions based on what their teacher told them and it breaks my heart that I will have to wait until they are old enough to fully understand what went on to enlighten them to all details they have not learned in school.

Currently there are scientists, engineers, teachers, pilots, civilians and governments who are convinced that official story is false. And those are not your typical fatsos living in parents basement theorizing things on the web. These are credible people who find so many plot holes that it is mind boggling. It is hard not to find plot holes unless you intentionally chose to ignore them.

^THIS X100,000,000,000

Credible research? You mean the grueling research done by NIST isn't credible because its disproves everything that conspiracy theorists say? Gimme a break.

I know well and good the government isn't up front about things. But thing is, I HAVE looked into this, and that's my conclusion about it. I had these conspiracy thoughts in my head already, it's been 10 years. To tell me to go do research in "credible" resources is absurd. You have no idea what research I've done, which you've said. It appears you think credible is anybody who agrees with you, that's bullsh!t. I understand people think otherwise, that's fine. They don't have to agree, but all of the "evidence" they've brought forth, has been refuted by other "credible" scientists. So basically it's a standoff, which ends in this unknowing, which leads to people crying conspiracy.

So what then, how do you come to a conclusion. Well I use something called logic. By that I mean, Are you fvcking serious that you think a few top people decided to orchestrate a plan that involves terrorists hijacking 4 planes and running them into 3 buildings (meant for 4) and secretly planted powerful, yet oddly silent, explosives in 2 buildings? Seriously?

It's almost as ludicrous as believing some cosmic being controls how you and every other creature lives... oh wait.

BTW: I'll beat you to the punch on this one: we indeed landed on the moon.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 9, 2011 - 8:57 AM

[Supersprynt]

like i said it all comes back to religion and the fact is that this topic is just another factor of how it backs up everything the bible has said. But anyways why did you sell your car??

[easternpiro1]

Supersprint. Your hypothesis of what did or did not happen 10 years ago have physically made me turn my spider sense on and find this tread and therefore I am morally obligated to respond.

I am NOT going to tell you what happened on that day because you are heavily biased against anything that has word conspiracy in it. What I will tell you is ... lets play a little game. We shall call it "word association".

Fill in the blank:

Kentucky Fried........
Monica.......
Mercedes......
Conspiracy......

Riiiiight... do you see the pattern? We all have pre-formed associations to certain keywords and one of those keyword is word "conspiracy" . When someone mentions that word we all think 2 things. #1 some nut out there trying to disprove something and #2 someone hiding something that seems outrageous thus feeding in #1.

I do not know how you came to your 9/11 conclusion but I beg you for your own sake go out there and find credible research. And no I do not mean the kind of research that comes from NIST that came out with 9/11 commission report. I mean credible research.

Morale of this story is that I do not want you to do something you do not want to do... but if you have time and patience then by all means try to figure out why half of this planet is strongly convinced that there were major shenanigans going on.

What will happen to the story is that it will be taught in school. And when it will be taught in school it will be passed on to future generations who will not even question anything. Heck my little sisters have just began learning about 9/11 and they have already formulated opinions based on what their teacher told them and it breaks my heart that I will have to wait until they are old enough to fully understand what went on to enlighten them to all details they have not learned in school.

Currently there are scientists, engineers, teachers, pilots, civilians and governments who are convinced that official story is false. And those are not your typical fatsos living in parents basement theorizing things on the web. These are credible people who find so many plot holes that it is mind boggling. It is hard not to find plot holes unless you intentionally chose to ignore them.

^THIS X100,000,000,000

Credible research? You mean the grueling research done by NIST isn't credible because its disproves everything that conspiracy theorists say? Gimme a break.

I know well and good the government isn't up front about things. But thing is, I HAVE looked into this, and that's my conclusion about it. I had these conspiracy thoughts in my head already, it's been 10 years. To tell me to go do research in "credible" resources is absurd. You have no idea what research I've done, which you've said. It appears you think credible is anybody who agrees with you, that's bullsh!t. I understand people think otherwise, that's fine. They don't have to agree, but all of the "evidence" they've brought forth, has been refuted by other "credible" scientists. So basically it's a standoff, which ends in this unknowing, which leads to people crying conspiracy.

So what then, how do you come to a conclusion. Well I use something called logic. By that I mean, Are you fvcking serious that you think a few top people decided to orchestrate a plan that involves terrorists hijacking 4 planes and running them into 3 buildings (meant for 4) and secretly planted powerful, yet oddly silent, explosives in 2 buildings? Seriously?

It's almost as ludicrous as believing some cosmic being controls how you and every other creature lives... oh wait.

BTW: I'll beat you to the punch on this one: we indeed landed on the moon.

*sigh* I like ya super, and have a great deal of respect for you and what youve contributed to the forum, and all the times youve helped me! we can agree to disagree, but please, out of respect, be careful about insulting people's beliefs... ive seen people become humbled saying stuff like that...




but um... did anybody see the clips of bin laden chillin in the chair flipping through channels? im sorry but that tickled me for some reason. he looked like somebody's grandpa with that beanie on pointing at the tv



and then i found out about the "herbal" viagra....



i swear to you...i spit my drink out when my friend said "WELL!!! what do u expect?!?! the fcuker has 4 wives and was preparing for his 72 virgins!"

[yarik83]

Good thing I almost always make backups of everything I ever type so let me rebut you sir with a compilation of previously written bits and pieces that I combined together. There might be a disconnect because they came from different discussions but hang on and enjoy the ride.

[yarik83]

Super,

National Institute of Science and Technology is a government backed organization. Naturally if government was involved in 9/11 in part or in whole they would be very inclined to

provide a study that omits any questional evidence that may exist and come out with a conclusion that was published in 9/11 commission report. Naturally 9/11 comission report

itself would be heavily biased by selection of people who were appointed to be on that comission, by people that were included in the comission report and by all the people and

evidence that were not included in the report.

To say that government alone had orchestrated what has happened would be an understatement and false. What is important to keep in mind that unbelievable amount of people and

organizations profitted from what has happened. That is confirmed through stock and put options, awarded multibillion dollar contracts among many other things.

Things like MOST government players involved in that chess game having been previous CEOS or bosses of oil companies like Haliburton, Chevron etc. That could be just a

coincidence but so are thousands of other "coincidences" that happened that horrible day.

Things like World Trade Center requiring major construction retrofit to keep it up to code and such retrofit would bankrupt WTC complex. Short time before 9/11 a huge insurance

policy was taken out on the complex with significant emphasis of protecting against terrorist attacks.

Things like WTC building 7 being a repository to ongoing lawsuits against companies like ENRON, various creditors and other sensitive information. Out of entire WTC complex

which apparently stood up to both twin towers collapsing and still STOOD STANDING with all the damages, debris and everything piled on top of them... that building came down

with minimal structural damage under very questionable circumstances.

Things like post soviet era where military equipment was rusting and written off in time of peace. Keeping those seats "warm" requires substantial financial commitments that

were scaled down during 10 years running up to 2001 so equipment was being either written off or about to be written off.

Things like substantial put options were placed on 2 airlines that were involved. While put options are common, timing and amounts were very questionable.

What I am trying to say is that while there was a financial benefit to the government, there was a greater benefit to private parties and businesses.

Like I said it would be a falasy to assume that government alone was involved. Every single piece of the puzzle is rigged with amazing coincidences. Every single piece of the

puzzle. The players, the responses, the reports.. I mean everything. What is remarkable is that evidence is in plain site. Not like they tried to hide it either but by shifting

public opinion from elephant in the room they have successfully been able to weather out the past 10 years. Any questions to the official story rigged with more holes than a

swiss cheese are often labeled as conspiracy theories and unpatriotic and many people just do not want to think about it.

Having said all of that... I know that it is virtually impossible to make a nonbeliever into a skeptic. I know that because I myself was convinced at once point in time that all

of the so called conspiracy theories were not justified. It took me about 10 years to fully understand which questions that were raised had any validity in them, which ones did

not and all through first 3 years of that experience I kept telling myself that "maybe it is just a coincidence" and in time I started saying "maybe there are too many

coincidences" and finally years later I became a sceptic. I do not expect you sprint or anyone else to just turn 180 and start thinking exact opposite but I do want you to keep

in mind that it is important to study history because like hemoroids it is one of those things that tends to come out every so often and repeat itself. Different times,

different faces but same issues.