1996 Celica GT: The Roadtripper, 1MZ swap: 90% there Options

[bnr32celica]

I'll just skip to the good stuff here as no one likes a long story.

Bought car, lowered, blew head gasket, fixed. Put in some 5GC cams and a header at the same damn time. Drove, let friend drive for a while, got back. Head asked blew again, did again. Motor started knocking, and here we are.

The go:
--1MZ swap in the bay, awaiting wiring
--S54 with welded diff

The stop:
--5x114 swap in progress (I still need wheels)
--V6 Camry brakes

The dance:
--Tein Stechs
--GR2s
--Rebuilt rear end
--GT4 rear tower bar

The show:
--2post
--OEM 15s painted black (for now)

The beats:
--Sony Bt2900
--Alpine Speakers

The glasses:
--HID lows
--Yellow highs

This post has been edited by bnr32celica: Oct 12, 2013 - 6:16 PM

[Smaay]

what are these 5s cams and injectors you speak of?

[bnr32celica]

what are these 5s cams and injectors you speak of?

The 5g cams and injectors are slightly more aggressive than the 6g stuff. I had a dead injector, so I figured why not. 5g Celicas are VERY prevalent in the yards here. I noticed a little more oomph up top, but not much anywhere else.

I have a slightly limited budget with this car (I also have another car, which if you read my username, you can decipher its chassis code), so this Celica will basically be OEM+.

[kurt95gt]

Guess i need to hit up a few 5gc at the scrap yard

[bnr32celica]

Well, I finally got myself a Photobucket as my phone ran out of storage.

Haven't done much but put 73,000 miles on her in 19 months, but there's been some adventures.

The obligatory day I got her picture:


Then I lowered her not too long after:


Then she went on a road trip, but not before a washing:


Then some asshole kids decided to break into my car and smash my 3post & rear window, so $1400 later, I had a 2post and a BRAND NEW LAST IN THE USA EVER rear glass:



I had a coolant hose burst 300 miles from home, at this Target somewhere in the Northeast, I fixed it with a hose meant for a Buick 3800, luckily, my friend didn't need heat, and he did a bypass:



Another road trip, this time in the Berkshires:


Bit the bullet and got HIDs:


After 245,000 miles, my stock CD player decided it didn't want to play CDs anymore, so I got a deck with Bluetooth:


I also redid the entire rear end around this time with new ball joint bushings, rear tower bar, etc (big shouts to my buddies at D'addarios Service for the lift!):


250,000 mile road trip to Brooklyn for some White Castle and visiting family in Crown Heights:


Then I enjoyed her for another 32,000 miles or so until I had to do this job again:


Now, I'm tearing out the 5S in preparation for something cliché, but totally awesome.

This post has been edited by bnr32celica: Jul 30, 2013 - 11:03 PM

[Tigawoods]

hows the swap coming along?

[bnr32celica]

hows the swap coming along?

I'm an hour into it, and all topside connections are disconnected except for mounts. Todayif get a few spare minutes, I will climb under and finish up with the removal.

[bnr32celica]

There's a 5S sitting outside the Celica on my hoist. Next time she runs, it will be with 166 less cc's, 30 degrees more cam angle, and making funny sneezing noises. Just waiting on my phone to upload to my Dropbox, then I can transfer to my photobucket.

I haven't torn the old motor apart to find out why it seized up, but I can do that tomorrow when I split the S54 off it.

Friday I SHOULD be taking delivery of the new heart, courtesy of PrimeMR2. Then the real fun begins of maintaining OBD2 with a motor clearly never designed for that. A trip to Manny may be in order for tuning when done, scratch that, it'll have to happen.

I would love to use my Haltech, but the CT emissions Nazis say otherwise.

[bnr32celica]

Spun a bearing in cylinder 4. Actually, I WELDED a bearing to the crank is more like it. Rest of block awesome shape, crank is not.

This just got more interesting considering 99.999% of people in the world doubt a 3SGTE can run on OBD2.

[bnr32celica]

Well, my credit card is getting a workout. Purchased a good used eManage ultimate from ebay, as well as some key exhaust pieces. Still need a radiator, hoses, and intercooler, but those will have to wait until next week. This is going quite far over budget, but I'm hoping it'll work out in the end. Got in touch with a good tuner, and basically said "tell me what I need, and I'll buy it," so I bought that. Remember, full OBD2 is a must, and we determined that the easiest (and probably most cost-effective) way to maintain it was a piggyback ECU: Tuning is something I don't know much about, so I'll let the professionals handle it.

Luckily, Greddy has a basemap already setup for a Gen3 3SGTE, which is essentially what my Gen2 will be after the crank sensor conversion and slightly larger turbo. I'll at least be able to drive her to the tuner. Wish me luck, I want 1000 miles before CSP.

[bnr32celica]

Motor hunting sucks, but so glad it's over. Found EXACTLY what I wanted all along, with low miles and a good price. Should be here this time next week. It's coming from SC.

All I really wanted was a mild upgrade, and I kinda got caught up in the power game. I purchased a 4runner for the 5VZ, and when it turned out to be a dud, I said I was done with anything crazy. I just want to drive her again, and if I want to go fast, I have another car that's RWD and turbo to do as such. I asked Catie what she wanted for a new heart, and she told me a mild upgrade was fine. I listened, hit the 'net, and came up all 7s.

It'll satiate my need to rev out every now and then, get the same MPG or better, and be an improvement in all the right places.

That's right...I'm just going with a lowly 3SGE. It seemed like the absolute best option for the car, the time, and the money. I just don't have the time for some epic build wherein Ispend every night wrenching, blow $5000 on the build, and have 3 months downtime. I really wanted a powerful Celica, but I really want even more a Celica that I can put another 282k on with no trouble. It's been killing me the past week or so not being able to drive her,.

[bnr32celica]

For once I listened to everybody and did the right thing...however, I now have two engines, 1 Celica, and hours of wiring ahead of me.

I'm going to try to accomplish the wiring myself on the 1MZ swap, simply because I don't have three weeks to wait around. Wiring diagrams will be needed, and by my own admission, I'm not that adept at it, but I don't have a choice but to at least try. I want her up and running in two weeks. Well, if it isn't, I'm pretty sure my dad will set fire to it, so yeah. Not to mention that without a firm daily driver, I've been stressing.

Parts I've ordered or have n possession:

--1MZFE from a 1995 Camry wagon, 112k ($200)
--Southbend clutch for 3SGTE/V6 swap with S54 trans($0...I was owed money)
--Trans Mounts ($120)
--Gen1 JDM 3SGE ($325, on the way)
--3S maintenance parts ($300 from Toyota)

Common sense says find another Celica and V6 that, but I have the 1MZ, and that is a terrible thing to waste, like a black kid's mind. Would rather have the 1MZ in the daily, and the 3SGE in like a TE37 or something.

Does anyone else besides Mr220v do the wiring for these swaps?

Also, Who wants to make me an engine mount for that passenger's side?

[bnr32celica]

MOAR PICS!!!

Installed an oil pressure gauge to see what the hell was really going on with the 5S. Readings weren't good.


I ended up doing this:


Because of this:


So here she sits like this:


But today I removed this:


Basically, she is a complete shell at this point in prep for the 1MZ. The podcast discussing the GTE swap was a big help in removing the harness inside the car and from the engine fuse box. I replayed that 30-second snippet like 8 times.

Harnesses will get mated next week locally.

[bnr32celica]

Tiny update before I add pictures.

Motor is home, I will be resealing her over the next few weeks. Turns out it's a 95 1MZ, which I wasn't happy about. Luckily, my harness builder was able to confirm OBD2 compatibility as such, so we wil proceed with it. Parts are comings by the day, once I order the head gasket set, I can really go to town on it.

[Tigawoods]

jeez man youve been all over the place with this!! cant wait to see it back together!

[kurt95gt]

This should be one of the best done v6 swap to date once it done!
Can't wait to see it on the road

[bnr32celica]

My goal is to be done a week before the meet. I'm trying for it, but it's been a tough road when you barely have time to work on it.

I'm just leaving this here for future reference,basically what I have left to buy:

--1MZ upper end gasket kit
--more Toyota RTV made of unicorn piss and fairy farts
--pay Smaay for the mount
--call Driveshaftshop and get the FINAL price on my lengthened MR2 axle (no carrier mount FTW)
--call tose guys on eBay because it's been THREE WEEKS and I don't have my headers yet
--continue to pester Kurt, buy Kurt and wife a nice dinner after the meet for all their help

[kurt95gt]

Hey its what I'm here for lol

[Tigawoods]

fastest 1MZ swap ever haha...aaaaaand GO!

[bnr32celica]

Ten years as a flat rate tech has its perks.

Hook ups at a parts store rule. Got the gasket kit on order for a lot cheaper than Lithia...and it's OEM.

Might have the engine in this weekend.

[Box]

^Well, that escalated quickly.

[bnr32celica]

I just want to drive her!

[bnr32celica]

More parts ordered, more parts acquired.

Paid Smaay for the mount and ordered my gasket kit. I then went to the junkyard and got the ECU and igniter. All that's left is AFM for electrical parts and I'm good.

Axle is being built as we speak, new motor mounts front and rear are here, and the harness looks to be all set with no repin required.

For those who are following, I am using a 1995 1MZ. Positives include Coil-On-Plug ignition, less O2 sensors, and lower compression. It's also OBD2 as well.

The ECU you will need to run this car with is 89661-06200 should you replicate my swap. This is federal emissions. California emissions would have two extra O2 sensors, precats, and a whole host of other bullhockey to contend with.

What I'm waiting on (and why):

RF axle (shipping)
Smaay mount (shipping)
Misc. Supplies (will buy as needed)
LF axle (need to acquire a new one...is damaged)

The biggest holdup is the gasket kit. I won't see it this weekend, which means I cannot install the engine.

This post has been edited by bnr32celica: Sep 4, 2013 - 7:28 PM

[bnr32celica]

Waiting game status. Really getting anxious and worried it won't get done in time. If it doesn't, I'm stripping the car and doing all the work I want to do to it.

[bnr32celica]

Today is a big day. I have officially sourced and have in my possession 100% of the electrical parts needed to run the 1MZ. Theoretically, if I wanted to, the car would run but not drive. Still need axles.

[bnr32celica]

Picture update tonight, I bought more parts. Lots of OEM goodness, some random other stuffs, and other things.

Got confirmation Smaay shipped the mount out (awesome!), I bought an engine stand (awesome!), sourced the elusive rear exhaust manifold (awesome, thanks amilleri!), and found out I can use a 3S flywheel(double awesome!).

The Celica is patiently waiting...but it's owner cannot!

[bnr32celica]

Pics for clicks:

The 1MZ making its trip home:


Then I ordered tons of parts, some of which I'm still waiting on:

5-speed Solara manifold (thanks to amilleri!):


Gasket Kit for a Solara:


ECU and Igniter:


Other random goodies that one would need:


Kurt95GT's AFM he didn't use:


How the 1MZ sits, just waiting to be revived:


I'm finding that there's some haters out there, so now that they've found the thread and feel like snooping, they can all look at the parts goodness.

[kurt95gt]

Haters gonna hate

[Smaay]

thats a different AFM than what i have

also since you are using an AT ECU, you need AF sensors not O2 sensors

[bnr32celica]

thats a different AFM than what i have

also since you are using an AT ECU, you need AF sensors not O2 sensors

Jeff, I'm running a 95 engine with COP, not waste spark. I have one AF sensor, I will get the other next week from the junkyard.

[bnr32celica]

So I got a chance to sit down and do somewhat of a tally thus far:

1995 1MZ motor: $250
2000 Solara rebuild gasket kit: $100 (you can expect to pay more thou, I have a discount at a FLAPS)
1995 1MZ timing kit: $130 (list $200+)
Smaay's 1MZ mount:$200
mrWizard harness service: $200
2000 Solara MT rear exhaust manifold: $145 (list $170)
1995 ES300 ECU/igniter: $50
1993 4runner 3VZ-E flywheel: $65 new
2000 Solara flywheel/clutch bolts: $20 (list $30)
1996 ES300 AFM: $40 (thanks Kurt95GT)
FIPG: $14
Tuneup Parts: $100
3rd Gen GTE clutch cover: $75
Custom clutch disc: $127
S54 refresh: $200 (previously rebuilt, just a new 3rd synchro)
New trans mounts (all 3): $120
Kirkosaurus inserts: $55
New coil boots: $60
New rear A/F sensor: $80
New driver axle: $55
Driveshaftshop pass axle: $150 (eliminates carrier mount)

And I know I'm missing a bunch of stuff.

My impression thus far is that this is a not a swap for the faint of heart, both in skill and in money. I've been a tech for 13 years, and I find myself asking a new question every day. I rate it about a 8 on a scale of 1-10. You're gonna go over budget, you're gonna need to farm things out, and you're gonna hit bumps. DO NOT expect this to be a weekend thing like a BEAMS or a 3rd gen GTE. It won't be, you'll get pissed, and then you'll want to give up. I went in setting a goal of 60 days. It's doable, but will be close. Waiting for the farmed out parts is the hardest thing here, expect a month on the harness and two weeks for Smaay to make the mount. The first thing I did after getting the motor was send out for the harness service and Paypal Smaay for the mount. Custom parts take time, and I didn't want to be waiting for anything once it was go time. I'll have both parts just in time for the car to run.

Get on good terms with your local FLAPS and Toyota dealer. I cannot stress this enough. My parts guy at the dealer is also a member here, and if it weren't for him, I would be waiting a lot longer for parts I couldn't get anywhere else.

That's about it so far.

[BonzaiCelica]

from my experience the poly inserts will ruin your oem mounts. your better off getting front lower poly bushings and keeping the new oem mounts without installing the kirk inserts.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 8, 2013 - 3:32 PM

[kurt95gt]

With the almost instant tq the 1mz he's gonna want the poly mounts
I blew out my rear mount in less than 70mile of driving

[bnr32celica]

from my experience the poly inserts will ruin your oem mounts. your better off getting front lower poly bushings and keeping the new oem mounts without installing the kirk inserts.

Zero BEAMS here. Torque given. Poly mounts stay. I've chewed up stock mounts in 6 months with a 5S, I need something a little more robust.

[BonzaiCelica]

excuse me mr torque steering guys here install this

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...p;#entry1024702

[Smaay]

updates updates

[kurt95gt]

Talked to him last night
We should be seeing an update tonight or tomorrow pending time to post one lol

[kevin311]

Awesome lol another v6 thread for me to collect more valuable information from! Can't wait to see it come together

[bnr32celica]

I'm guessing this car doesn't want a 1MZ after all. Issues abound.

More than likely, going to finish the swap to the point where it's a drop-in, and sell it. I over-extended the timeframe, and now the car goes, either in pieces, or complete. I made a promise to people I live with, I broke it, now it's my turn to suffer so to speak. I no longer have possession or access to the Celica, as it was towed this morning to an undisclosed location. Woke up, it was gone. I knew this would happen if the engine and transmission wasn't in the car yesterday. Can't be mad over something you knew would happen if you didn't follow through.

I'm in over my head with this car, with work, with life. Need to step back, simplify, and focus on what's important. Everything is getting sold or parted, and I'm starting 100% new. New clothes, new look, new place to live, new car. ****, I might even go back to daily driving my Jeep again. Actually pretty comfortable to drive.

Keep rockin' guys.

[kevin311]

Well damn... I hope you can get back on the right track my friend. Best of luck to you.

[kurt95gt]

Wow not what I thought I'd be reading here

[Keiri]

Wow not what I thought I'd be reading here

Seconded.

Maybe taking some time to get yourself together is far more important than any car or swap, Justin. Do what's best for you in the long-term. Good luck and godspeed!

[Box]

I've been there and done that with the whole project car when it wasn't a good time to do it. Best of luck to you with everything.

[bnr32celica]

I dropped off the 4runner flywheel today for machine work. It then gets bolted to the engine with the transmission and clutch. Basically, I will have a complete 1MZ swap for sale ready to go. I don't know realistically how much the swap is worth perse, but maybe someone can find some value in it.

I found out how the Celica was towed, and it was illegally done. I am in possession of the title, and the vehicle is registered to the address where I legally reside (and am also a part-owner of). I am in talks with the appropriate parties, and IF I can find a place for the car, I will get her back. It's obvious neither I nor my cars or tools are wanted at my residence, so this is where we stand.

I am in utter shock still.

I'm sorry guys, I failed you all as well.

[kevin311]

I dropped off the 4runner flywheel today for machine work. It then gets bolted to the engine with the transmission and clutch. Basically, I will have a complete 1MZ swap for sale ready to go. I don't know realistically how much the swap is worth perse, but maybe someone can find some value in it.

I found out how the Celica was towed, and it was illegally done. I am in possession of the title, and the vehicle is registered to the address where I legally reside (and am also a part-owner of). I am in talks with the appropriate parties, and IF I can find a place for the car, I will get her back. It's obvious neither I nor my cars or tools are wanted at my residence, so this is where we stand.

I am in utter shock still.

I'm sorry guys, I failed you all as well.

Hey man sh!t happens

[kurt95gt]

What Keven said
After our talk earlier your not the epic failure on this one! Lol

[bnr32celica]

And there is a time where it pays to have good karma.

I located the car, and was able to retrieve her with no issues. The car is going to my uncle's house, where she will have a nice warm bedroom.

I do have another issue however. My harness builder has gone MIA with my harness. A setback, yes, but I will get it done nonetheless.

Manny, Dustin, and Stef came through Sunday, and it gave me that shot in the arm I needed.

So yes, she will be completed, but I'm not rushing it.

I have now set a goal of completion by spring including bodywork.

[kevin311]

Awesome news man, glad to see you've got a plan. I look forward to seeing the progression!

[Box]

And there is a time where it pays to have good karma.

I located the car, and was able to retrieve her with no issues. The car is going to my uncle's house, where she will have a nice warm bedroom.

I do have another issue however. My harness builder has gone MIA with my harness. A setback, yes, but I will get it done nonetheless.

Manny, Dustin, and Stef came through Sunday, and it gave me that shot in the arm I needed.

So yes, she will be completed, but I'm not rushing it.

I have now set a goal of completion by spring including bodywork.

Glad to hear you a cool uncle that'll let you finish the car. Shame about the harness though. Best of luck on getting it done.

[JoshuaM]

I dropped off the 4runner flywheel today for machine work. It then gets bolted to the engine with the transmission and clutch. Basically, I will have a complete 1MZ swap for sale ready to go. I don't know realistically how much the swap is worth perse, but maybe someone can find some value in it.

I found out how the Celica was towed, and it was illegally done. I am in possession of the title, and the vehicle is registered to the address where I legally reside (and am also a part-owner of). I am in talks with the appropriate parties, and IF I can find a place for the car, I will get her back. It's obvious neither I nor my cars or tools are wanted at my residence, so this is where we stand.

I am in utter shock still.

I'm sorry guys, I failed you all as well.

Well.... that was a very interesting turn of events... and a few planets aligning to get everything back together. Good luck finishing it off in at its new home

[bnr32celica]

I think she's liking the digs a bit. Got to clean her out last night, interior is pretty much metal and a dash. What a crapton of gunk there was! The carpet is now tan again, it was oozing brown juices, same with the headliner. Also filled up a shopvac with crap from UNDER the carpets. Did find $50 under the carpet though, which bought Arby's and beers for the crew

Next step is all damaged body panels will be removed and my rust free joints put on. Pretty soon she'll be a skeleton.

[kevin311]

Right on man

[bnr32celica]

Staying busy and focused on the car is the name of the game right now. I now more than likely need to pull out of my ass $700 for a conversion harness, which is pretty much bodywork money I had allocated. Frustrating, yes, but it's only money. I might even attempt to do the harness myself and see where that goes.

I hope to at least drive her before winter, so that way I have that little taste of awesomeness to hold me over.

Big shouts to my uncle though, dude is a beast.

Heading there now to possibly mate the engine and transmission, and drop the whole shebang in!

[Box]

You can do the harness yourself if you have both schematics and lots of patience.

[kurt95gt]

Aren't Dustin an steff good with wiring??
Might see if they would help tackle that job

[bnr32celica]

Aren't Dustin an steff good with wiring??
Might see if they would help tackle that job

I do have spare harnesses. I just don't want to spend $700 to get it done, that puts me at almost $1000 for wiring.

At this point, I think it safe to say I CANNOT reccomend MrWizard for harnesses at this time. What a shame, because his work is top-notch

[mkernz22]

why don't you just buy a lightweight flywheel? it'd probably be worth your while.
Oh, and did you check to make sure that the starter will work with that flywheel? The offset could be different on it, and it might be bigger/smaller than the stock so you'd have to mod stuff to get it to work.

[Box]

Hey Kurt, who did your harness and wasn't it fairly cheap?

[kurt95gt]

Hey Kurt, who did your harness and wasn't it fairly cheap?

His priced jumped from what I've been told

[bnr32celica]

why don't you just buy a lightweight flywheel? it'd probably be worth your while.
Oh, and did you check to make sure that the starter will work with that flywheel? The offset could be different on it, and it might be bigger/smaller than the stock so you'd have to mod stuff to get it to work.

Had the backside of the flywheel machined. I can put 12v to it tonight or tomorrow once bolted up and see before I throw it in the car.

A lightweight flywheel is prohibitively expensive at this point unless the 4runner flywheel doesn't work. Not being cheap perse, but Iwant to see if there' lower-cost options.

[Box]

Hey Kurt, who did your harness and wasn't it fairly cheap?

His priced jumped from what I've been told

Of course it would.

[bnr32celica]

Went from 380 to 600.

[Box]

Went the wrong direction, the more you do the cheaper they get.

[mkernz22]

why don't you just buy a lightweight flywheel? it'd probably be worth your while.
Oh, and did you check to make sure that the starter will work with that flywheel? The offset could be different on it, and it might be bigger/smaller than the stock so you'd have to mod stuff to get it to work.

Had the backside of the flywheel machined. I can put 12v to it tonight or tomorrow once bolted up and see before I throw it in the car.

A lightweight flywheel is prohibitively expensive at this point unless the 4runner flywheel doesn't work. Not being cheap perse, but Iwant to see if there' lower-cost options.

No, I mean as in when the flywheel is bolted to the engine, the transmission is on, and the starter is bolted it. If you have a smaller / bigger flywheel, the starter might not fit properly or the gear won't line up with the flywheel.

[bnr32celica]

why don't you just buy a lightweight flywheel? it'd probably be worth your while.
Oh, and did you check to make sure that the starter will work with that flywheel? The offset could be different on it, and it might be bigger/smaller than the stock so you'd have to mod stuff to get it to work.

Had the backside of the flywheel machined. I can put 12v to it tonight or tomorrow once bolted up and see before I throw it in the car.

A lightweight flywheel is prohibitively expensive at this point unless the 4runner flywheel doesn't work. Not being cheap perse, but Iwant to see if there' lower-cost options.

No, I mean as in when the flywheel is bolted to the engine, the transmission is on, and the starter is bolted it. If you have a smaller / bigger flywheel, the starter might not fit properly or the gear won't line up with the flywheel.

4runner 3vz flywheel is 236mm and 120 teeth. The issue was on the backside. It bolted up, but protruded about 9mm too far because of that. Machine work fixed that.

[njccmd2002]

ok first..

I dont get what happened to your car? why was it towed?

second if i get it right.... 2000 bucks on your 1mz list, and that does not include the 700 + wiring?

third... are u still swapping or selling, lol.....

wish u luck, hope you get your car going...

[bnr32celica]

ok first..

I dont get what happened to your car? why was it towed?

second if i get it right.... 2000 bucks on your 1mz list, and that does not include the 700 + wiring?

third... are u still swapping or selling, lol.....

wish u luck, hope you get your car going...

I am definitely swapping her. I had what I thought was a good deal on the wiring but was taken for a ride. I don't want to get into the towing debacle but lets just say someone tried a fast one and got caught

[njccmd2002]

how difficult can the wiring be?



who took the wiring for a ride? thats funny.. JK.

wiring should not be that bad..

[Box]

I can do electrical, I just hate doing it. That being said I'd try and save the $600 people are charging now. The hardest part is figuring it out for the first time, then after you've written down which wire goes to what wire then it's just a matter of physical labour on subsequent harnesses. Maybe I'll just start making harnesses for everyone, charge a few hundred dollars and after 10 or so harnesses that means a free swap for me.

[mkernz22]

why don't you just buy a lightweight flywheel? it'd probably be worth your while.
Oh, and did you check to make sure that the starter will work with that flywheel? The offset could be different on it, and it might be bigger/smaller than the stock so you'd have to mod stuff to get it to work.

Had the backside of the flywheel machined. I can put 12v to it tonight or tomorrow once bolted up and see before I throw it in the car.

A lightweight flywheel is prohibitively expensive at this point unless the 4runner flywheel doesn't work. Not being cheap perse, but Iwant to see if there' lower-cost options.

No, I mean as in when the flywheel is bolted to the engine, the transmission is on, and the starter is bolted it. If you have a smaller / bigger flywheel, the starter might not fit properly or the gear won't line up with the flywheel.

4runner 3vz flywheel is 236mm and 120 teeth. The issue was on the backside. It bolted up, but protruded about 9mm too far because of that. Machine work fixed that.

you still don't get what I'm trying to say. :facepalm: have fun doing this.

[bnr32celica]

why don't you just buy a lightweight flywheel? it'd probably be worth your while.
Oh, and did you check to make sure that the starter will work with that flywheel? The offset could be different on it, and it might be bigger/smaller than the stock so you'd have to mod stuff to get it to work.

Had the backside of the flywheel machined. I can put 12v to it tonight or tomorrow once bolted up and see before I throw it in the car.

A lightweight flywheel is prohibitively expensive at this point unless the 4runner flywheel doesn't work. Not being cheap perse, but Iwant to see if there' lower-cost options.

No, I mean as in when the flywheel is bolted to the engine, the transmission is on, and the starter is bolted it. If you have a smaller / bigger flywheel, the starter might not fit properly or the gear won't line up with the flywheel.

4runner 3vz flywheel is 236mm and 120 teeth. The issue was on the backside. It bolted up, but protruded about 9mm too far because of that. Machine work fixed that.

you still don't get what I'm trying to say. :facepalm: have fun doing this.

I had this big long reply typed out, but I'll leave it at this: I'm drunk as **** right now and cranked the drivetrain off a pallet. I heard some pistons move and compression escape (plugs are out), so I'm pretty sure my idea worked.

I work best when I drink heavily, so I'm going to keep on keepin' on and try to get this thing cleaned up and sittin' pretty in the bay.

I told work screw off today, because I'm drinking and working on my baby, the only woman who's never left me over some bull**** ass ****.

you know what, I'm gonna put it out there because I'm drunk enough to not give a **** right now: **** bitches, swap Celis.

I'm going to Arby's.

OUT!

[Batman722]

I got your message, I'll give you a call later today.

[bnr32celica]

I got your message, I'll give you a call later today.

Thanks D!

I'll be in and out of service, just leave a text and I'll get right back at you.

[bnr32celica]

So, the 4runner flywheel definitely works if you do some machine work. When machined to spec, the ring gear is in the same position as a car 236mm flywheel. My total investment was $140 with a resurface. Even thoughit was brand new, I had some room to work with, sothey shaved it down a bit.

Machine spec:

Mating surface-ring gear depth: .030"
Additional protrusion of contact surface over 3S flywheel: .070"

Get the 4runner flywheel there and you're guns and butter. You can even use the 3S/1MZ flywheel bolts. I did, and I was able to properly torque them to the 4runner spec of 61 lb/ft plus a 90. I used the 4runner spec as I am using a heavier 4runner flywheel and it couldn't hurt.

The 3S pressure plate also fits it perfectly with no issues at all. I don't know how much metal they took off, but it was significant enough to feel lighter.

Now, why stick with a flywheel that's heavier and not a direct fit? Drivability. A heavier flywheel improves engine braking, promotes economy, and is easier to drive. I'm not trying to win races, but if it happens, cool.

I also know 99% of motherf*ckers on here don't really give a sh*t about me or what I'm doing, but if it helps one person, then it's worth it.

[kevin311]

Any and all working combinations are helpful my friend! Glad it worked out.

[presure2]

So, the 4runner flywheel definitely works if you do some machine work. When machined to spec, the ring gear is in the same position as a car 236mm flywheel. My total investment was $140 with a resurface. Even thoughit was brand new, I had some room to work with, sothey shaved it down a bit.

Machine spec:

Mating surface-ring gear depth: .030"
Additional protrusion of contact surface over 3S flywheel: .070"

Get the 4runner flywheel there and you're guns and butter. You can even use the 3S/1MZ flywheel bolts. I did, and I was able to properly torque them to the 4runner spec of 61 lb/ft plus a 90. I used the 4runner spec as I am using a heavier 4runner flywheel and it couldn't hurt.

The 3S pressure plate also fits it perfectly with no issues at all. I don't know how much metal they took off, but it was significant enough to feel lighter.

Now, why stick with a flywheel that's heavier and not a direct fit? Drivability. A heavier flywheel improves engine braking, promotes economy, and is easier to drive. I'm not trying to win races, but if it happens, cool.

I also know 99% of motherf*ckers on here don't really give a sh*t about me or what I'm doing, but if it helps one person, then it's worth it.

only "mother****ers" on here who dont really give a **** about you or what your doing are the people that took the time out of theyre lives to try and help you, only to have theyre time wasted in return.

[bnr32celica]

So, the 4runner flywheel definitely works if you do some machine work. When machined to spec, the ring gear is in the same position as a car 236mm flywheel. My total investment was $140 with a resurface. Even thoughit was brand new, I had some room to work with, sothey shaved it down a bit.

Machine spec:

Mating surface-ring gear depth: .030"
Additional protrusion of contact surface over 3S flywheel: .070"

Get the 4runner flywheel there and you're guns and butter. You can even use the 3S/1MZ flywheel bolts. I did, and I was able to properly torque them to the 4runner spec of 61 lb/ft plus a 90. I used the 4runner spec as I am using a heavier 4runner flywheel and it couldn't hurt.

The 3S pressure plate also fits it perfectly with no issues at all. I don't know how much metal they took off, but it was significant enough to feel lighter.

Now, why stick with a flywheel that's heavier and not a direct fit? Drivability. A heavier flywheel improves engine braking, promotes economy, and is easier to drive. I'm not trying to win races, but if it happens, cool.

I also know 99% of motherf*ckers on here don't really give a sh*t about me or what I'm doing, but if it helps one person, then it's worth it.

only "mother****ers" on here who dont really give a **** about you or what your doing are the people that took the time out of theyre lives to try and help you, only to have theyre time wasted in return.

And I took that to heart. There's a reason why I called out of work pretty much all this week. Well, that, and the fact that I was stewed like a can of tomatoes. I don't like disappointing people at all, and I know I did that. As a result, I realized I had a LOT of work yet to do, and t took me a lot longer than I thought it would. I got the car in a garage, kept the booze and stuff flowing, and hammered out. I even hammered my phone literally. I suppose the guy walking off with my harness is karma. No worries, it is what it is. I don't know half of what I thought I did on these cars, and approaching it like I knew it all ****ed me good.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that i have made tons of mistakes so far, and maybe those mistakes needed to be made, but maybe I shouldn't have allowed life to interfere as much as it did. This past week as a guy, alone in his garage has given me time to refocus, get the mind right, and hammer out. No longer the neglected Celica, she actually resembles a car now.

Smashed the phone setting the motor in, when I get a new one, I'll pop some pics out.

[presure2]

i am totally fustrated with the level of bull**** here.
justin, im sorry, but your nothing but a liar.
i have 0 respect for you, your car, and what youve done.
i hope that someday you will learn from this thread, and the people that have taken time out to try and help you, only to be lied to, and be made a fool of.
ill tell ya this, you will never make a fool of me, or any of my friends again, in any way if i can help it at all.
guys like you shouldnt be allowed on 6gc

[bnr32celica]

http://www.ratko.org/automatic-to-manual-t...ta-camry-v6-le/

This is required reading for guys who are using the 94-95 1MZ.

I was trying to explain this to Dustin tonight, but I wasn't near the iPad. It explains how to fool the ECU among other things. This is what I sent my harness back out for, replete with a printout. I cannot wire engines (stereos, sure, but reading diagrams for wiring isn't something I do well at all), so thus I was at someone else's mercy.

I'll have to go over there tomorrow and snap some good pics for you guys, I'm on a burn phone right now.

I couldn't understand 80% of the conversation we were having tonight, so if things were misconstrued or misunderstood.

Here's a timeline of events since the 1st tomaybe bring everyone on the same page:

10/1: the motor is sitting pretty in the bay, harness builder comes over to check and see if harness is good. It starts the car. Woot!

10/1: harness builder and I pull the engine from the bay, I remove harness from engine and hand to him with a copy of the article. We agree Saturday to meet, with Sunday as a worst-case. Transmission was not installed at this point, we achieved the above by holding the starter and using jumper cables grounded to the frame. Scary stuff, that starter has some recoil!

10/2: my car breaks down in RI. This has effectively killed two days of prep time.

10/5: I receive a call that my harness should be delivered to me by 2pm on the 6th. I'm excited, this means when I get the flywheel mated up to the engine, she should run well and I can get it into some gears.

10/6: manny, Dustin, and Stef show up. We find out that my 4runner flywheel isn't going to work without some work. Oops, should have measured...but I didn't have anything to go on as my engine was from an automatic. Manny gets me some measurements, we get the motor pretty much ready for the transmission. Harness builder doesn't show, doesn't return calls.

10/7: car towed illegally! However, I'm literally a flywheel away from a complete swap, so I figure I might as well finish the swap and hope I get my harness. Drop the flywheels off (Manny brought an ST205 one) and explain what I need. Without the ST205 unit, I couldn't have even begun to explain what I needed done.

10/8: car located and brought to my uncle's. Flywheel is done and ready for pickup...but I'm too busy moving a motor and transmission (and most of my stuff too) from my house. No response from harness builder still, at thi point I'm reading the writing on the wall. I know he has a V6 project going on in a 6G himself, I'm assuming the worst.

10/9: the real work starts. Flywheel picked up, we mate it, it looks gorgeous. My existing new 5S disk and the 3SGTE pressure plate (thanks Manny!) are mated to the engine. We also clean the interior with vigor. We get the transmission on the motor, a couple bolt holes are off, we get one retapped all nice, so as of right now, I have 3 bolts in the transmission in addition to the two starter bolts. Looks like the S54 only uses about 5 bolts anyhow to mate, so one more would be nice.

10/10: the moment of truth. Before installing the motor and transmission back in the bay, we jump the starter. Good news, it engages just fine, but thanks to the 36 beers we've already downed, my motor leaps off the pallet with vigor. No damage. We decide to go ahead and throw the bitch in. As I'm lowering the motor into the bay, I hear a nasty crunch...and that would be my phone. Where I work on this thing, I have very little service, if any, but I found if I rest it on the transmission side mount, I get SOMETHING. Famous last action. I spend $10 on a cheapass phone to slap the SIM and in while I lube up the asshole for the raping I'm gonna get buying a new phone out of contract. No camera, but I can text. Good enough.

10/11: she's perma-set. My uncle puts the car 3' in the air with his air jack and we analyze the exhaust situation. The rear o2's final placement is decided, and we thread a plug into the rear manifold and block off the EGR. The Chevy y-pipe I got for free has an o2 port on one of the pipes. Puts it straight up in the tunnel, but that's better than fighting with a steering rack, eh? He also mocks up an axle mount that kicks ass and is overbuilt. I hope I don't break it. I have a habit of being able to do that sort of thing. You should have seen the carrier mount on my Escort GT!

10/12: STILL no word from my harness builder. There goes $300 and my harnesses. Luckily, I have spares. I'm resigning myself to the notion of paying mr220v the $630 or so for him to do it. The budget is now officially not just broken, but shattered. This swap is turning into 10lbs of sh*t in a 5lb bag, but hey, I signed up for it.

10/12: Dustin calls me back, I can't understand a good 80% of our conversation at all. Something about posting a picture of the bay was mentioned, I was unable to do so at that time thanks to no service for one, and also, I'm on a burn phone. My integrity is questioned.

Listen, I'm not trying to say I'm the world's most virtuous guy, but for having a really bad couple weeks on a personal, professional, and mental level, I've been doing a job holding it together. I don't normally drink, but when I do, I become a hammer and do things. I also get angry and am pretty much intolerable...but don't call me a liar when you know that I've been doing what I can. I caught a break and had some extra hands, and we hammered out. Of course, I imposed the break myself and probably burned a bridge, but this car needs to be done.

I'm hoping tomorrow to get over there and take some decent pictures for y'all. I have a couple questions that I can better ask if I have pictures to show.

[njccmd2002]

[bnr32celica]

I'll just leave this here. Enjoy.

[bnr32celica]

And if this isn't enough, I even threw the front plate in there.

[njccmd2002]

Registration?

[bnr32celica]

Registration?

I had to do the plate thing as a joke. Call me a liar, and if I get fired up enough, I can prove you wrong 9 ways to Sunday.

Besides, the people who have seen the car know those plugs and pliers haven't moved in weeks haha.

[Box]

I see more cylinders now.

[bnr32celica]

I see more cylinders now.

Technically, you see LESS cylinders hahaha.

Bucket list of parts left:

--slave cylinder
--driver axle
--harness

Exhaust will be done this week hopefully, then the intake will come off for the last time, and will stay off until the harness is done. Once I have a harness, I can get her through emissions, renew the plates, and DRIVE.

I have $500 towards the harness, but may have more if I can get my other car mobile and can sell the Saab.

[Box]

Nope, I have X-ray vision and can see through the intake manifold.

[bnr32celica]

Nope, I have X-ray vision and can see through the intake manifold.

That XRay vision can come in handy. We can take over the world with it.

In all seriousness though, there is actually MORE room in the back than a Camry. Tuneups are a breeze, no intake removal required.

[Box]

Would think it'd be the other way around.

[bnr32celica]

Would think it'd be the other way around.

You would think, but nope. Keep in mind, in order to clear the Celica hood, they lean the 5S back like Fat Joe. That works out well for the Camry V6.

Removing the intake is mainly for if you have to go way in there.

[Box]

Trying to remember if they did the same with the Solara or not, oh well.

[bnr32celica]

Just want to give a shoutout to everyone that's helped out thus far.

Kurt for countless tidbits of advice and just being a good guy.

Jeff (Smaay) for that 1MZ conversion mount. I think that should be on everyone's shopping list if they do the swap.

Manny (presure2) for the ST205 clutch setup. Because of that, I was able to get my flywheel machined correctly and on the car. Also, for not being afraid to speak his mind. I respect that.

Dustin (Batman722) for that ST throttle cable and giving me hell for talking junk. Enjoy those foglight brackets!

Stef (hurley97) for being cool as hell.

Mike (mkernz22) for being lenient with my pickup of the bumpers.

Liz for the world's best shifter boot.

Uncle Si for being a pisser and the use of his garage, tools, whompers, and trucks.

My best friend Felicia for killing the 5S and jumpstarting this project. Love you boo! Also, this is your fault haha.

Lastly, the king of chaches, Robbie Repko, for selling me this car two years ago for $500. You DEFINITELY didn't expect the car to last this long at all. Also, thanks for the Saab too!

And to everyone else, thank you too.

[Smaay]

what year is the 1MZ from. mine and my dads 02 Solara do not have the raised letters on the timing belt covers

[bnr32celica]

what year is the 1MZ from. mine and my dads 02 Solara do not have the raised letters on the timing belt covers

1995. I can get you one if you want.

[bnr32celica]

Starting over a new leaf, and this is EXACTLY where project roadtripper stands:

I'm on all 4 mounts. Also, the exhaust is about 60% done, as in, it's out of the bay. I still need to install a driver's axle, but I ordered one today. $55, not too bad at all.

My next step is bleeding the clutch system out with a new slave cylinder. At that point, once the driver's axle is in, I'm 99% done with the mechanical work. I would like some new brakes and rotors, but that can wait.

I didn't get my harness as promised today, and it's looking more and more like I'm either going to A: send my backup harnesses to Tweak, B: just get a whole new harness made up or C: pray to whomever I worship that I somehow miraculously learn how to read a wiring diagram and do it myself. I'm leaning towards option B.

I'm just beside myself with the whole harness thing, and I'm really just nervous it'll never run. Spending $700-$1000 on wiring is a killer right now, and while I could just float it all, I don't want to. If ANYONE can make sense of the diagrams, PLEASE, I am BEGGING of you, I need help. I can do the work, but I can't read the diagrams.

[bnr32celica]

No progress today.

We had a '73 Triumph come in, and it looks like I'll be doing a clutch on it. It's ok though, because it's just more money for the project.

I'm going to try to make some sense of the diagrams this weekend, if I can't, I'll have to order a harness. Funny, because I can wire up an old British car, but can't wire a swap.Wiring up a British car is as follows: one GIANT ground in which 17million little wires come off it, then a couple sensor leads here and there haha. Why can't a 1MZ be this simple?

[Box]

Meh, try posting the diagrams and I'll give it a go. I still like wiring a pre-computer domestic car, only a few wires critical to the car running.

[bnr32celica]

I had a trade offer the car today. I'm going to take it depending on how good the tickets are. I have always wanted to see my Red Sox in the World Series, and the opportunity to see them twice is something I really cannot refuse.

[Box]

Car>baseball.

[mkernz22]

Lmao, you're going to give up the car for tickets? Thats kind of pathetic in my mind.