Proformance mods vs. styling mods(excessive camber, slammedness ect.) Options

[TannerEsser]

Whats peoples opinions on slammed cars? and on "cars set up for proformance", i think its all opinion if you like cars low to the ground then do it. if you want to turn you car in to a race car... then stop think about it, and then buy a car that is actually a race car. cause a toyota celica isnt really a race car

[kurt95gt]

Depends what you consider a race car
Slammed cars can handle good as long as you take the time to set it up right an not just on the ground with stupid bad camber
Most people say more than a 2inch drop for a performance set up is too much
on a race setup your goal is to get you center over gravity as low as possible an to get your axles as parallel as possible with the ground an still have good camber for max grip

[TannerEsser]

Depends what you consider a race car
Slammed cars can handle good as long as you take the time to set it up right an not just on the ground with stupid bad camber
Most people say more than a 2inch drop for a performance set up is too much
on a race setup your goal is to get you center over gravity as low as possible an to get your axles as parallel as possible with the ground an still have good camber for max grip

and you should, once you lower your car, raise the steering rack to eliminate bump steer if you wanna build a race car. how do you feel about people who like stupid bad camber but know its know its not good for proformance?

[Tigawoods]

cause a toyota celica isnt really a race car

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[enderswift]

looks like a racecar to me

[mak5603]

Ive told you my stance (lol no pun intended) in person.. I dont't think my 5s celi is performance oriented enough to keep it from looking how I want because it affects "performance". The 5s celi is totally a DD and therefore IMO does not need to be 100% tuned for performance..Unless you're actually racing it that is.. when I swap my 3s in, i definitely plan on raising my car to set it up for more performance.

And just before a bunch of people come in this thread with crappy spring/strut setups or lowering springs on stock struts trying to bash lowering too much with coilovers, I am telling you right now that i had lowering springs before my coilovers and even with my significant drop my car handles WAY better with the coils..

So basically for me:

7a/5s celicas = form > function for days
3s celicas = function > form with still a lot of form

Tiga, pretty sure he is talking about USDM Celicas. Im sure he knows of GT4s and rally herritage..at least I hope so!

And you wouldn't slam a rally car so that doesn't apply here..

[3WayStunna]

Im all "proformance" minded with my celica and for any car i own. Not just engine wise either. Meaning to include suspension changes and what type of tires i use. But to be honest its mostly because i dont have much imagination when it comes to styling a car. Either way the clean look is much better than a slammed car or bodykit

[Tigawoods]

auto-x is really one of the only racing types (to my knowledge) where the 5s and possibly the 7a could succeed.

I am somewhat certain the Stambo had told me that after he had swapped from his 5s, he was apparently slower on the courses than when he had a 5s

[RabidTRD]

Your car only handles better with the coils than when you did the springs because you weren't running the correct struts. Get real struts to match those lower and stiffer springs and then talk about the difference. My Koni's can and do handle just as good, if not better than most of the coilovers under $1,200 on the market. Yeah, I'm not as low, but I am as low as my car will go without destroying camber with this setup. You can only fit a half finger between my tire and the wheel well which is low enough for this car for me.

That being said, I do like slammed cars. I drool over Euro sparklers (Euro cars slammed so low they shoot up sparks) and would love to slam an old Corona that my customer is trying to get rid of. However, bags do nothing for performance (Please learn to spell that word because when you say things like "proformance," it makes you look ignorant) and the only proper way to slam a car and maintain the correct cornering ability is to use coils.

I know guys that will cut sway bars out just so they can slam their car as low as it can go. They have fun creeping down streets... but that's not what the Celica was intended for. It's not a creeper, it's designed to take corners at high rates of speed.

If you care about the pony's out of the engine and you think that is the only way to run a race, you need to stop watching "Fast and Furious" and actually sit in a properly tuned, neutral powered car as it tackles a technical course.

This = Beautiful

[RabidTRD]

I will also say that I plan on getting coils sometime in the future, because I would like to lower it a bit more, but it's not going to be lowered to the point of tucking.

[kurt95gt]

Depends what you consider a race car
Slammed cars can handle good as long as you take the time to set it up right an not just on the ground with stupid bad camber
Most people say more than a 2inch drop for a performance set up is too much
on a race setup your goal is to get you center over gravity as low as possible an to get your axles as parallel as possible with the ground an still have good camber for max grip

and you should, once you lower your car, raise the steering rack to eliminate bump steer if you wanna build a race car. how do you feel about people who like stupid bad camber but know its know its not good for proformance?

To each his own
My last car ( 98civic) was slammed just like maks celica an my rear camber was way out
An my front was only off by 3degrees. I knew it was not good for cornering buy i didnt care lol it looked good

[mak5603]

Your car only handles better with the coils than when you did the springs because you weren't running the correct struts. Get real struts to match those lower and stiffer springs and then talk about the difference. My Koni's can and do handle just as good, if not better than most of the coilovers under $1,200 on the market. Yeah, I'm not as low, but I am as low as my car will go without destroying camber with this setup. You can only fit a half finger between my tire and the wheel well which is low enough for this car for me.

I know guys that will cut sway bars out just so they can slam their car as low as it can go. They have fun creeping down streets... but that's not what the Celica was intended for. It's not a creeper, it's designed to take corners at high rates of speed.

If you care about the pony's out of the engine and you think that is the only way to run a race, you need to stop watching "Fast and Furious" and actually sit in a properly tuned, neutral powered car as it tackles a technical course.

Lol, you don't need to tell me about correct, real sh!t bro. I know all about that. That is why i said people with crappy spring/strut setup.

And actually, the USDM Celica was intended to get good gas mileage and get people from point A to point B for hundreds upon thousands of miles. Sh!t like getting groceries and driving to work with a little bit of style.

It has nothing to do with max hp or fast and the furious as to why I want to wait to performance tune my suspension for more hp. Simply put, I actually have driven on a track and I think it is boring as fuk to have a low power car even through corners... Especially with FWD... Yeah you can rip through corners, but you're still going slow, lol. 130hp to the crank is not neutral power too me..that is low power..

And for your "you need to stop watching F&F, this and that I'm so big and bad and know so many things" comment.. While you have busy reading other people's opinions on forums, i have actually had hours of track seat time (yes track time, not the little twistys on your way home from work) in my dad's 2006 BMW 330i 6sp with a Dinan stage 1 kit and Koni springs/struts rebuilt by Dinan (is this not a properly tuned neutral power car?!). So it makes YOU look kind of ignorant talking on behalf of sh!t you know absoleutly nothing about based on my DD. When my dad sells me this car, of course I'm going to keep its performance suspension setup because to me, this car justifies a performance setup.

Its all personal pref. I think slammed cars look cool and if its not effecting what you use the car for do what you will with it.

And as for rear camber. Im working on some custom RUCA's that I can hopefully make available to everyone since at the moment there is none for our celicas.

This post has been edited by mak5603: May 29, 2012 - 12:38 PM

[RabidTRD]

You know what, never mind. I wasn't targeting you, personally, as you took that assault. I'm hot and grumpy because it's 109 degrees in my room with humidity higher than 80% and my sweat is sweating. I'm grumpy and anything I say in response is going to come off as diskish.


I do have track time. I have raced not only DD's but NASCAR stock cars, F3's and the like. I know about suspension and I honestly didn't realize who you were. I looked at your car and I remember your build, I know you have experience, I'm just sick of seeing people who don't know **** about anything talk big and put my opinion out there.

**** its hot.

Also, what I said about the fast and the furious doesn't pertain to you. I was saying how if you feel that's the only way to race than you're ignorant. There are many different race types and some require more power than others, but in the type I like, Auto-x and tight technical tracks, low hp, high torque is best.

This post has been edited by RabidTRD: May 29, 2012 - 12:46 PM

[jordisonjr]

This went off topic quick lol

[mak5603]

Word, I'm not mad at all man, and not trying to be a dick either.

But for my age, I do know a few things, been around cars and racing my whole life and am actually now a mechanic myself. Not auto mechanic however, aerospace mechanic is what I do.

I understand my car is not optimal performance right now, but I like my celi looking like a hot slut. She snaps necks left and right and as much as people hate it they can't help but stop and stare .

[RabidTRD]

Word, I'm not mad at all man, and not trying to be a dick either.

But for my age, I do know a few things, been around cars and racing my whole life and am actually now a mechanic myself. Not auto mechanic however, aerospace mechanic is what I do.

I understand my car is not optimal performance right now, but I like my celi looking like a hot slut. She snaps necks left and right and as much as people hate it they can't help but stop and stare .

I wish I could do that with my car. I don't want to bring too much attention to her around here... cars get thefted too often

[RabidTRD]

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F...zRacX8eR5z0WoHA

Lots of examples of beautiful slammed cars.

[czwalga]

Low looks nice, slammed looks stupid. There are some exceptions, but usually none of them are japanese cars in my opinion.

Excessive camber is probably the worst thing to ever hit the after market world ever, aside from maybe fart can exhausts on slow ****ty under powered cars.




My toyota celica is actually a race car though. doh....



This post has been edited by czwalga: May 29, 2012 - 1:51 PM

[jordisonjr]

Excessive camber is probably the worst thing to ever hit the after market world ever, aside from maybe fart can exhausts on slow ****ty under powered cars.

75% of the Celica's on here, mine included lol

This post has been edited by jordisonjr: May 29, 2012 - 1:52 PM

[czwalga]

Excessive camber is probably the worst thing to ever hit the after market world ever, aside from maybe fart can exhausts on slow ****ty under powered cars.

75% of the Celica's on here, mine included lol

Haha well it's just my opinion. I hate those exhaust notes so bad it drives me crazy. On the rally car I had a straight pipe exhaust for while, which pretty much had that fart can sound.

I was shifting into 5th gear at like 30 mph cause I was embarrassed of the noise. Put a resonator on it and it doesnt sound toooo bad now. For 4cyl and exhaust, most sound bad... Subaru's sound pretty good, Also neon SRT4's with the right exhaust for some reason.

Focus's are probably the worst.

[RabidTRD]

Excessive camber is probably the worst thing to ever hit the after market world ever, aside from maybe fart can exhausts on slow ****ty under powered cars.

75% of the Celica's on here, mine included lol

Haha well it's just my opinion. I hate those exhaust notes so bad it drives me crazy. On the rally car I had a straight pipe exhaust for while, which pretty much had that fart can sound.

I was shifting into 5th gear at like 30 mph cause I was embarrassed of the noise. Put a resonator on it and it doesnt sound toooo bad now. For 4cyl and exhaust, most sound bad... Subaru's sound pretty good, Also neon SRT4's with the right exhaust for some reason.

Focus's are probably the worst.

I love the rumble of a boxter engine. My buddy has a exhaust leak behind his cat and keeps complaining about the sound. I just sit there and enjoy the music of that H4. Has such a pretty tone.

People just slap cans on stock pipe and it sounds like ass. It also does nothing for performance... that's what gave the glasspack (aka fartcan) a bad name. I'll rock my fart howitzer all day, every day though. I don't even know what it sounds like yet because my friend hasn't been able to help me re-route the exhaust under the axle for the 2.25" piping I've got .

Here is another video, this one mostly old Toyota's and Nissan's that are all pretty slammed. I still think it can be done well.
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F...amp;h=uAQElHnbB
That's all in Japan and is how they do it. They don't slam them like the German boys do, they slam them without excessive camber


Here is a clean well slammed 7th gen owned by a guy I know:




Believe it or not, that license plate folding out (making it look like a paper blowing in the wind or like you're going really fast rofl) is a JDM thing. I've seen a lot of cars in Japan with that. I guess it's because that rear plate is riveted to the car and that's about all they can do?

[RabidTRD]

I see this as more for looks:




This post has been edited by RabidTRD: May 29, 2012 - 4:19 PM

[Syaoran]

I love the rumble of a boxter engine. My buddy has a exhaust leak behind his cat and keeps complaining about the sound. I just sit there and enjoy the music of that H4. Has such a pretty tone.

There's no such thing as boxer rumble. It's the UEL Headers (plural for the boxer) that reproduce that sound. Any 4 cyl can sound like that, it's all in the header.

Equal Length headers for performance on a subie make it sound like any other I4

[TannerEsser]

looks like a racecar to me

i live in north america stfu. lol i said celica not gt4

This post has been edited by TannerEsser: May 29, 2012 - 8:22 PM

[richee3]

looks like a racecar to me

Yeah, this kinda strikes me as a racecar too.



The way I see it, the 6th gen is a neutral car. If you want to get performance out of it, you can swap a 3S. If you want to keep the stock engine and make it look great, that's easily done as well.

This post has been edited by richee3: May 29, 2012 - 8:41 PM

[TannerEsser]

You can only fit a half finger between my tire and the wheel well which is low enough for this car for me.

That being said, I do like slammed cars. I drool over Euro sparklers (Euro cars slammed so low they shoot up sparks) and would love to slam an old Corona that my customer is trying to get rid of. However, bags do nothing for performance (Please learn to spell that word because when you say things like "proformance," it makes you look ignorant) and the only proper way to slam a car and maintain the correct cornering ability is to use coils.

I know guys that will cut sway bars out just so they can slam their car as low as it can go. They have fun creeping down streets... but that's not what the Celica was intended for. It's not a creeper, it's designed to take corners at high rates of speed.

"You can only fit a half finger between my tire and the wheel well which is low enough for this car for me."

really? a half finger? do you possess a half finger?


"That being said, I do like slammed cars. I drool over Euro sparklers (Euro cars slammed so low they shoot up sparks) and would love to slam an old Corona that my customer is trying to get rid of. However, bags do nothing for performance (Please learn to spell that word because when you say things like "proformance," it makes you look ignorant) and the only proper way to slam a car and maintain the correct cornering ability is to use coils."

ok cool.. thanks for the correction. id give a f**k but i ran out, sorry.


"I know guys that will cut sway bars out just so they can slam their car as low as it can go. They have fun creeping down streets... but that's not what the Celica was intended for. It's not a creeper, it's designed to take corners at high rates of speed."

A celica id designed for getting to point A to point B. idk how many cars you have driven but if you think your celica is made to take corners at a high rate of speed, consider that it is a front wheel drive car that tends to get A LOT of under steer. so go ahead and drive strait into a wall. or pray you don't hit a good bump on a turn cause bump steer will kick in and your car will turn a random direction. so hold on to your wallet chain tight cause it doesn't feel good to hit a wall at "high rates of speed". ass. PROFORMANCE

This post has been edited by TannerEsser: May 29, 2012 - 8:43 PM

[S8S8]

I'm definitely not a fan of slammed.

My car sits pretty low on the coilovers, but it's been set for optimum handling rather than looks.

That picture of the old Skyline and Subaru look ridiculous! 99% of normal people would think something was wrong, and maybe the suspension was broken!

[kurt95gt]

Dude you do you ask for other people opinions an then get mad when you get answers
every thread i see by you turns into a fight.

An rabid is right( to some degree) my celicas feel alot more stable in corners at higher speeds that many other cars ive owned
It corners better than any of my old mustangs my firebird, ny nova an my old 240sx
Yes they are a good a to b car but with some work they can be a very good corning car too ab a fast car with the right tuning
If you dont like what everyone has to say sell the celica an buy a honda

[SwissFerdi]

A celica id designed for getting to point A to point B. idk how many cars you have driven but if you think your celica is made to take corners at a high rate of speed, consider that it is a front wheel drive car that tends to get A LOT of under steer. so go ahead and drive strait into a wall. or pray you don't hit a good bump on a turn cause bump steer will kick in and your car will turn a random direction. so hold on to your wallet chain tight cause it doesn't feel good to hit a wall at "high rates of speed". ass. PROFORMANCE

Listen guy, I understand where you're coming from, but you sound arrogantly inexperienced when you demean others in this manner. Understeer is not the end-all of a driving experience, it can be mitigated and controlled. As for Celica's standing in a performance "orientation", that's personal opinion I guess...but to me, the ST and GT strike a nice balance of economy and willingness to provide "the fizz."

Source: I'm James May.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: May 29, 2012 - 10:02 PM

[TannerEsser]

A celica id designed for getting to point A to point B. idk how many cars you have driven but if you think your celica is made to take corners at a high rate of speed, consider that it is a front wheel drive car that tends to get A LOT of under steer. so go ahead and drive strait into a wall. or pray you don't hit a good bump on a turn cause bump steer will kick in and your car will turn a random direction. so hold on to your wallet chain tight cause it doesn't feel good to hit a wall at "high rates of speed". ass. PROFORMANCE

Listen guy, I understand where you're coming from, but you sound arrogantly inexperienced when you demean others in this manner. Understeer is not the end-all of a driving experience, it can be mitigated and controlled. As for Celica's standing in a performance "orientation", that's personal opinion I guess...but to me, the ST and GT strike a nice balance of economy and willingness to provide "the fizz."

Source: I'm James May.

no one is addressing bump steer! its dumb! and i meant like as far as fwd cars go, its on the low end of the performance spectrum, its a heavy car.

[BonzaiCelica]

that celica is just perfect. You can see the top of the wheel which makes it look way better than only being able to see the rim like that old school bmw!

[mak5603]

Dude you do you ask for other people opinions an then get mad when you get answers.

Yeah man.. You still need to let people have their opinions. If someone doesn't agree with your opinion it doesn't mean they are attacking you. Different strokes for different folks as they say.

[Rusty]

This got out of hand pretty quickly.