Suspension decision time., D2 RS or BC BR? Options

[RabidTRD]

Whelp. Trying to decide if I want to go with D2 RS coilover system or BC BR's. I'm getting about $1,100 back in tax returns, so I can afford either.

The D2 RS's seem to have more settings, have bodies that are aluminum and are electroplated to resist rust. They're also purple and black. (Would match the lug and caliper theme I've got going)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/D2-RACING-RS-COILO...16e&vxp=mtr

Then there are the BC BR's.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BC-Racing-BR-Coilo...619&vxp=mtr

Anyone have insight on either of these two setups? I feel like Timmy said he has them on his car, but I can't remember.

Whoops. Could a moderator move this to Suspension and handling? >.> sorry.

[playr158]

BCs. Or Teins.....both are good choices

[BonzaiCelica]

BCs. Or Teins.....both are good choices

Y not megans i havent heard but good things from them and cheaper allso

[soulshadow]

Put your money in a savings account!

[Tigawoods]

Put your money in a savings account!

[Syaoran]

Depends on what you want.

BCs (as they are sold) are much better suited for a street application because the rates on them are on the softer side (yet harder than stock and harder than most lowering springs)

BC BR is as good as D2 RS in terms of build quality.

[RabidTRD]

Basically I'm looking to lower the car right able a set of 16x8 0 offset rims with a 195/50/r16 tire and be able to preload so there won't be a bunch of rub when I hit bumps or take corners quick. I may be doing a bit of autocross as well.

[Syaoran]

Basically I'm looking to lower the car right able a set of 16x8 0 offset rims with a 195/50/r16 tire and be able to preload so there won't be a bunch of rub when I hit bumps or take corners quick. I may be doing a bit of autocross as well.

BCs let you preload the springs. The body is threaded so the preload setting is independent from the lowering setting. It's also rebound adjustable if I'm not mistaken, just like most other coilovers (Megans, D2)

You can also contact them to see if you can order an "extreme drop package".

[BonzaiCelica]

Basically I'm looking to lower the car right able a set of 16x8 0 offset rims with a 195/50/r16 tire and be able to preload so there won't be a bunch of rub when I hit bumps or take corners quick. I may be doing a bit of autocross as well.

BCs let you preload the springs. The body is threaded so the preload setting is independent from the lowering setting. It's also rebound adjustable if I'm not mistaken, just like most other coilovers (Megans, D2)

You can also contact them to see if you can order an "extreme drop package".

not one single coilover on the market has rebound adjustment for our cars except hotbitz which is a custom made coilover. All coilovers available have compression adjustment. I check the pricier ksport coilovers which cost $1500 and they do not say they have rebound adjustment

rebound adjustment is for coilovers that are used on the track.

[Syaoran]

Basically I'm looking to lower the car right able a set of 16x8 0 offset rims with a 195/50/r16 tire and be able to preload so there won't be a bunch of rub when I hit bumps or take corners quick. I may be doing a bit of autocross as well.

BCs let you preload the springs. The body is threaded so the preload setting is independent from the lowering setting. It's also rebound adjustable if I'm not mistaken, just like most other coilovers (Megans, D2)

You can also contact them to see if you can order an "extreme drop package".

not one single coilover on the market has rebound adjustment for our cars except hotbitz which is a custom made coilover. All coilovers available have compression adjustment. I check the pricier ksport coilovers which cost $1500 and they do not say they have rebound adjustment

rebound adjustment is for coilovers that are used on the track.

Yes I was mistaken, I confused the names.

[Hirogodsend]

I would suggest putting on 205/50/16, mostly because there are a lot more tires made in that size than the 195/50/16. but that's just me.

[trdproven]

BCs or Megans. ONLY Get teins if its the higher end models, the Tein basics are junk.

[cjh4l22]

I have the D2's and they are awesome!

[RabidTRD]

The two tires I'm looking at are General G-Max and the Nankang RSII's (I think that's the name). They come in a 195/50/16. I want stretch, or I'd do 205
Also, the description on the BC BR's is that they're rebound adjustable.

This post has been edited by RabidTRD: Jan 24, 2013 - 1:42 AM

[BonzaiCelica]

BCs or Megans. ONLY Get teins if its the higher end models, the Tein basics are junk.

i wonder the quality of the euro/jap spec tein superstreet coilovers. softer spring rates and pillow ball mounts :?

[trdproven]

the super streets are not bad, but they normally come with no top mount (seen it a few times people using stock mounts unless its an option to pay more to get it) and adjustability as far as I know is not the 3 ring type like newer type models. its still like a single ring nut adjustment, kinda like a generic coil sleeve setup. SS dont have that much adjustment either, no camber, no preload, etc. their damper setting just to ride normal is the stiffest setting and its still not stiff enough. on megans or bcs there is more adjustment left which is nice. I had tein basics on my other celi and i ordered BC coilovers that same day i installed the teins - it was damn bouncy and it couldnt even drop low enough, i was only just over 1 in adjustment still lots of finger gap and realized that was considered by tein manual over the limit, wow, why get them if they barely even drop lower than springs. IDK, many of my friends have teins because of the name but they agree that its not that great. tein are generally built for japan type streets where you go slow and roads may be a bit better, so with softer spring rates like you mentioned to the rest of the world is super bouncy.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Jan 24, 2013 - 7:00 AM

[95CelicaST]

Its too bad KW doesn't have anything for the 6th gen. Going from cheap coilovers like K-sport, D2, Megan, etc. to something like a KW V3 is night and day.

Never again will I purchase $1000 coilovers. Ever.

[trdproven]

^ why what coilovers did you have?

[95CelicaST]

My Celica had Ground Control sleeves, but I have taken a ride in a 6th gen with Megans and hated it. It didn't make the car handle any better (I would say it was worse). Stiff does not equal better.

Most of the brands just the same junk, just rebranded.

MR2 has DGR - another ~$1000 brand that I wouldn't recommend.
FR-S has KW V3s - FAR superior, but cost a bit more. I highly suggest spending the extra money.

[trdproven]

My Celica had Ground Control sleeves, but I have taken a ride in a 6th gen with Megans and hated it. It didn't make the car handle any better (I would say it was worse). Stiff does not equal better.

Most of the brands just the same junk, just rebranded.

MR2 has DGR - another ~$1000 brand that I wouldn't recommend.
FR-S has KW V3s - FAR superior, but cost a bit more. I highly suggest spending the extra money.

Really? actually the people who rode on my coilovers freak out how i dont have to slow down and they said it feels better than stock and some say it doesnt even feel dropped. My wife drives the other one and i dropped it when she was gone, when she came back and just drove it, I asked her about the ride, she said I didnt notice anything what do you mean?, she didnt even realize it was lowered.

I know a lot of people that do not know how to tune these coilover adjustment to their roads, in fact im the only one that knows how out of my friends, and i usually do this by driving in every single possible good and crap road to find the best compensating adjustment, takes sometimes days to a couple weeks to complete to get it right to the point where i never touch it anymore.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Jan 24, 2013 - 6:30 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

how much lower are your megans(trdproven) from out the box height. I say this because your rear control arms in the end link thread are 95% parralel to the ground. i heard this isnt good for suspension travel. basically thats why macpherson sucks and starts to sacrifice full suspension travel because u lowered it.

[trdproven]

im running about 3.5" drop, my tire is up there in the fender tucked. i have new control arms to install anyway so not worried too much about wear. i had a camber bolt kit, but cant find it anymore. but my ride feeels super awesome same with the BCs - i dont worry about potholes and bumps. i dont like slowing down, i dont want people to think im stupid for dropping my car if im just gonna slow them down and inconvenience them. but what you said, i think lowering the car sacrifices suspension travel no matter what, but these budget coilovers have done a real good job cus I dont even feel like its dropped.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Jan 24, 2013 - 7:24 PM

[RabidTRD]

I know a lot of people that do not know how to tune these coilover adjustment to their roads, in fact im the only one that knows how out of my friends, and i usually do this by driving in every single possible good and crap road to find the best compensating adjustment, takes sometimes days to a couple weeks to complete to get it right to the point where i never touch it anymore.

I'm actually looking forward to this.

Looking around, it seems like most people run the BC BR's with little or no issues. I live in NY and our weather is never the same. We have potholes and road crews that decide that the best way to fix a road is by ****ing it up more. Needless to say, our roads are rough as hell. I've been riding around with Koni Yellow's for almost 2 years now (still holding up fantastic btw) wrapped in Eibach Sportline springs and when I have them on the stiffest setting, my chair gets a good workout. So do my tires. >.> I've broken a bead once or twice.

I want something comfortable (ish. I can get used to a stiff ride) that will hold up decent to our streets and daily use. The BC's seem to have "Damper units are black chromed steel to give superb durability even in the harshest Winters," so I'm leaning more towards them for durability and all-season use.


I'd look at higher end systems, but I can't afford them. I really just want something to get me low, relatively comfortable, and not break in 6 months.

[RabidTRD]

There are also these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/380473510196?ssPag...984.m1438.l2649

But it seems like they only drop 2 1/2 front and 2 in the rear. That's what my springs do...

[BonzaiCelica]

There are also these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/380473510196?ssPag...984.m1438.l2649

But it seems like they only drop 2 1/2 front and 2 in the rear. That's what my springs do...

you do know that coilovers are shorter in length than stock shock right?? so its really like 3 inch in front and 2.5 in rear or perhaps a tad bit more. look at the tein threads there is picture of stock rear vs tein rear length.

those tanabe don't have dampening adjust-ability. and is pretty crappy considering a coilover should at least come with that at bare minimum.

[trdproven]

i think personally compared to like 3k coilovers, i think I'd rather get the 1k coilovers, at least you could get it three times (sets), or change the brand 3 times to see which is best for you. for sure it is okay for street use and mild sport.

My 7gc is tucked too which has the BCs now, and I put Tein basics to its grave, my ankle barely clears the front lip. Just looking at the height of the lip and the bottom of the wheel, the lip would pretty much touch the ground if it got flat. in my signature you can see how level the rim of the wheel is even with the lip. im pretty sure if it were flat, you couldnt get a jack under there, it barely even fits with it inflated.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Jan 26, 2013 - 9:07 AM