![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 23, '12 From northridge,CA Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) ![]() |
Getting a beams who wants to help me instal it into my car? Any ideas anyone have experience!? I live in socal
|
![]() |
|
Enthusiast Joined Feb 4, '13 From Uk Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) ![]() |
Can ship one over from the uk also give you a contact that can modify the wiring so you just bolt it in and go
|
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 23, '12 From northridge,CA Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) ![]() |
Found some local for 1400-1600 beams us dollars what do you guys think anyone know how to convert the wiring around california?
|
![]() |
|
![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Jun 29, '08 From Denver Currently Offline Reputation: 59 (100%) ![]() |
The wiring is easy. I've posted it several times in addition to the times that others have posted it. It's a very easy swap to do by yourself in a weekend.
-------------------- "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others labored hard for." -Socrates. Even Socrates told us to use the search button!
![]() 2006 Aston Martin V8 Vantage. 1998 Celica GT- BEAMS Swapped. 2022 4Runner TRD Off Road Prenium. 2021 GMC Sierra AT4. |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Dec 8, '03 From Lancaster CA Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) ![]() |
you will never get a BEAMS to pass SMOG in CA. now if you want to put a V6 in there, come talk to me. oh and im about 45 minutes away from you
-------------------- 2001 Celica GT-S Turbo
1997 Supra TT 6speed 1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap 1990 Celica All-Trac |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 23, '12 From northridge,CA Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) ![]() |
V6 less power
|
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 23, '12 From northridge,CA Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) ![]() |
Link about the wiring and which v6 curious
|
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) ![]() |
V6 being less HP depends on the v6 you go with but they all have more torque
I've driven both ( my v6 an richee3 Beams) An the v6 does feel faster than the beams An the v6 swap is much cheaper an weighs just over what The 5s does. Richee3 will even tell you that for the money spend the v6 is the better option for your money -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's 94 st hatch my daily driver http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235 ![]() |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 23, '12 From northridge,CA Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) ![]() |
That's true it's cheaper and easier to deal with for parts but I'm trying to go lighter I don't want a heavier nose especially on fwd and I like the cute inline 4 the v6 is harder to work on. Which v6 does fit?
|
![]() |
|
![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Oct 1, '02 From fall river, ma Currently Offline Reputation: 13 (100%) ![]() |
v6 is nothing like a beams, so comparing the 2 powerbands is kinda silly IMO.
the beams motor is ment to rev, the exact opposite of the v6. besides the fact that the beams bolts right in, wiring is super simple, and dont require any extra fabrication (other than exahust) i cant see the big advantage of the v6. it totally fills the engine bay, not much room for anything else in there once the motors in, lots of custom fabrication required, and it only makes ~200hp? i dont see the point. before i did a v6 swap, i'd just build a quick turbo kit for the 5s, and make 60-70 more whp than any v6 that goes into a celica (other than the 2gr) will make. besides, once the v6 is in, then what? it makes 200hp...thats maybe 160-170whp on a good day. i dont know about you, but i got bored with 195whp after a couple months when i turboed my 5s years ago, but i was able to turn up the boost and make it fun again. what are ya gonna do with a v6? everything from that point is gonna be totally custom, unless you have someone make it for you, and that turns into big $ real quick. im sorry guys, i just dont see the big upside of a v6 swap, unless its the 2gr, which hasnt been done in a fwd celica yet. and dont tell me its cheaper. yea, it may be cheaper initially, but once you rebuild that junkyard motor your gonna get, and get into all the custom crap, your just about the same as a beams setup or turbo setup -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
![]() 13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) ![]() |
The 3vz 5vz 1mz 3mz 2gr
The 2gr has yet to be tried due to cost I have a 1mz an smaay has a 3mz After you get it in its really no harder to work on than a 4cyl be leave it or not An as far as weight goes the 1mz an 3mz have aluminum blocks witch makes them very light but still very strong so the weight really doesn't change -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's 94 st hatch my daily driver http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235 ![]() |
![]() |
|
![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Oct 1, '02 From fall river, ma Currently Offline Reputation: 13 (100%) ![]() |
The 3vz 5vz 1mz 3mz 2gr The 2gr has yet to be tried due to cost I have a 1mz an smaay has a 3mz After you get it in its really no harder to work on than a 4cyl be leave it or not An as far as weight goes the 1mz an 3mz have aluminum blocks witch makes them very light but still very strong so the weight really doesn't change i'd like to see some pics of that rear bank and how it sits relative to the engine bay, kurt. why wont anyone document theyre v6 swap here? smaay posted over on mr2oc about it, but never seen a thread detailing his swap here. dont make any sense to me. i think smaay did some kind of hybrid setup, IIRC. put any of these v6 swaps on the highway against a 2nd or especially a 3rd gen 3s, and you'll wish you had just done the easier swap. lol -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
![]() 13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered |
![]() |
|
![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Jun 29, '08 From Denver Currently Offline Reputation: 59 (100%) ![]() |
Some excellent points in this thread. The powerband of any of Toyota's V6's and the BEAMS are totally different. I enjoy my BEAMS, but I don't like having to rev over 5k to have all of my power. It would be great on a track but for street use, power lower down would be better. The BEAMS is not a lightweight engine, it's about the same as a 5S.
I prefer the ease of swapping a BEAMS, easy wiring and bolts in. Uses the same S54 trans as a GT so axles are the same. Contrary to popular belief, parts for the BEAMS aren't rare or difficult to get at all. However, the BEAMS is not cheap, it's a lot of money for 200 hp and you're stuck with 200 hp without spending huge money. I've never driven a V6 swapped Celica, but for my style of driving I think the powerband would be better. However, after getting more power and considering all options, I will say that I'm pushing myself to pull the BEAMS out and buy a 3S-GTE. Both engines will make your Celica a lot more fun to drive and that's what counts at the end of the day. -------------------- "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others labored hard for." -Socrates. Even Socrates told us to use the search button!
![]() 2006 Aston Martin V8 Vantage. 1998 Celica GT- BEAMS Swapped. 2022 4Runner TRD Off Road Prenium. 2021 GMC Sierra AT4. |
![]() |
|
![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Oct 1, '02 From fall river, ma Currently Offline Reputation: 13 (100%) ![]() |
Some excellent points in this thread. The powerband of any of Toyota's V6's and the BEAMS are totally different. I enjoy my BEAMS, but I don't like having to rev over 5k to have all of my power. It would be great on a track but for street use, power lower down would be better. The BEAMS is not a lightweight engine, it's about the same as a 5S. I prefer the ease of swapping a BEAMS, easy wiring and bolts in. Uses the same S54 trans as a GT so axles are the same. Contrary to popular belief, parts for the BEAMS aren't rare or difficult to get at all. However, the BEAMS is not cheap, it's a lot of money for 200 hp and you're stuck with 200 hp without spending huge money. I've never driven a V6 swapped Celica, but for my style of driving I think the powerband would be better. However, after getting more power and considering all options, I will say that I'm pushing myself to pull the BEAMS out and buy a 3S-GTE. Both engines will make your Celica a lot more fun to drive and that's what counts at the end of the day. I heard about you driving in dustin and steffs swap..haha trust me, going from that, back down to 170ishwhp of either the beams, or the v6 for that matter would be a dissapointment for anybody. lol but, just like comparing the beams to the v6, comparing the 3s to the v6 is just as silly. totally diffrent design, built for a totally diffrent purpose. it really all depends on what the individual wants out of theyre own car. not everyone wants 300+whp that screams up to 7200rpm like a bat outta hell...lol (why is beyond me, but thats a whole other topic..BWAHAHAHA) some guys like the down low torque the v6 provides..but for me the limits of the setup compared to other, easier (IMO) options out there just make it not worth it for me. again, it all comes down to what the individual wants. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
![]() 13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) ![]() |
Do you ever look in the project threads
My entire swap is in there pressure -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's 94 st hatch my daily driver http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235 ![]() |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Dec 8, '03 From Lancaster CA Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) ![]() |
so is mine. I did have a hybrid 3MZ block on 1MZ heads but for some reason that engine spin 1 and 6 so i swapped in a full on 3MZ. i have my dyno plots on there too.
Ill have to disagree with you Presure2. there is plenty of room with the V6, it makes way more power than a BEAMS, a ton more Torque. And its really not that much fabrication. A custom Y pipe and passenger engine mount is all you really need. Weight wise, i dont feel any handling difference and i even have the E153 transmission. I just wouldnt put my money into a BEAMS over here, you cant get parts easily, and the engines are old and heavy. Its a very simple VVT system, not like the ones today. -------------------- 2001 Celica GT-S Turbo
1997 Supra TT 6speed 1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap 1990 Celica All-Trac |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 23, '12 From northridge,CA Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) ![]() |
Well regardless didn't matter I already decided to get a beams lol I wasn't planning for a v6 I want the beams if I wanted power I'd just put a 3sgte instead of both but I initially want the beams for reason purposes and the beams
Is lighter than the 5s... That's 100% fact. And it produces more power and torque but the hard part for me is I never done an engine swap on a car this year I done it on my 73 Datsun 240z but it only has about 10 wires in the entire bay... So I'm not good with wiring I need someone to give me a hand with that and I was wondering where can I purchase a good beams? Should I shop locally and pick it up my self? We have a few shops that have them around |
![]() |
|
![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Oct 1, '02 From fall river, ma Currently Offline Reputation: 13 (100%) ![]() |
so is mine. I did have a hybrid 3MZ block on 1MZ heads but for some reason that engine spin 1 and 6 so i swapped in a full on 3MZ. i have my dyno plots on there too. Ill have to disagree with you Presure2. there is plenty of room with the V6, it makes way more power than a BEAMS, a ton more Torque. And its really not that much fabrication. A custom Y pipe and passenger engine mount is all you really need. Weight wise, i dont feel any handling difference and i even have the E153 transmission. I just wouldnt put my money into a BEAMS over here, you cant get parts easily, and the engines are old and heavy. Its a very simple VVT system, not like the ones today. you know, i've never looked in the project forum..lmao....im so used to the old site, before that section, i never took any interest in it..lol guess i gotta get up to date! lol way more power than a beams? how so? beams makes 210hp, around 170 or so whp...the 1m/3m both make just about the same, hp wise, just with more tq because of the extra displacement. like i said, totally diffrent powerband. i dont see the big advantage at all, unless we start talking about the REAL v6 swap that celica guys should be talking about, the 2gr. the 1m and 3m are both old, heavy engines compared to the newer stuff like the 2gr, much like you said about the beams, lol. imo i dont see the point in the beams, or the v6 swaps (other than the 2gr). not enough power once youve driven a 3rd gen 3s, or a turbo 5s like i built. but, hey, diffrent strokes for diffrent folks! thats what this site is all about. mi: the beams is a fun little motor, and a nice upgrade from the 5s. wiring the beams is pretty easy from what ive seen, im sure some of the guys here would be willing to help ya out. as far as weight, its really not at all that much lighter than the 5s, its got the same basic demensions, same style iron block, aluminum head, ect. so i dont see you really loosing any weight going the beams route. the only place you really save weight is in the exhaust manifold/cat combo of the 5s VS the stock "header" on the beams. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
![]() 13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Jul 12, '08 Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) ![]() |
Disclaimer: Not knocking any custom swaps; anything custom is quite an achievment and I admire it simply for the work involved. However, I'd like to add that you cant easily beat oem fit/design with custom parts. I've experienced this first hand trying to make custom parts for cars in the past. Even if you go all out and fabricate a work of art, its still mostly going to fall short of what a team of Toyota engineers devoted their lives to for months.
to clarify, a custom part may 'work' but will it be quiet? reliable for years? will it transmit more vibrations? More often than not those are the sacrifices you need to make when going down that path. In my case I want a car that doesn't rattle, or vibrate (think poly mounts), or have strange knocking noises. Thing is, a lot of people don't place enough value on those things until after their swap when they have to live with them day in and day out. It gets old pretty quick. So I think that should definitely be a factor when choosing a swap path. I swapped a 3rd gen in and nobody can tell its a new engine until I floor it, and that just makes for an easy car to own as a daily. If you want a powerful car that has oem smoothness and refinement then a 3sgte or beams swap cant be beat. If you don't care about those things then v6 and other custom engines make more sense. This post has been edited by enderswift: Mar 10, 2013 - 1:29 PM -------------------- ![]() |
![]() |
|
![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Jun 29, '08 From Denver Currently Offline Reputation: 59 (100%) ![]() |
I heard about you driving in dustin and steffs swap..haha trust me, going from that, back down to 170ishwhp of either the beams, or the v6 for that matter would be a dissapointment for anybody. lol Me in Steff's car: "OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Totally wasted my money...." Got back in the BEAMS for the 1,100 mile drive back home, totally disappointed the entire way. True story Well regardless didn't matter I already decided to get a beams lol I wasn't planning for a v6 I want the beams if I wanted power I'd just put a 3sgte instead of both but I initially want the beams for reason purposes and the beams Is lighter than the 5s... That's 100% fact. And it produces more power and torque but the hard part for me is I never done an engine swap on a car this year I done it on my 73 Datsun 240z but it only has about 10 wires in the entire bay... So I'm not good with wiring I need someone to give me a hand with that and I was wondering where can I purchase a good beams? Should I shop locally and pick it up my self? We have a few shops that have them around Manny is right, the BEAMS really isn't any lighter than the 5S. They share essentially the same block, the heads weigh about the same, I'd guess they're within 50 lbs of each other. Could be closer than that. Check ricochet190's progress thread, first page. I posted the wiring there. It's on page 16 or 18 of my progress thread as well, and several other places. It's seriously like 6 wires that have to be spliced together, then it's entirely plug and play. You'll find that the BEAMS and 5S feel very similar up until 4,500 rpm when the BEAMS comes to life. It's fun, but in a totally different way than the 5S. The BEAMS uses the same motor mounts and axles as the 5S, so it's ridiculously simple to swap. Definitely shop locally if you can, check out the engines personally. Check for LSD too. -------------------- "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others labored hard for." -Socrates. Even Socrates told us to use the search button!
![]() 2006 Aston Martin V8 Vantage. 1998 Celica GT- BEAMS Swapped. 2022 4Runner TRD Off Road Prenium. 2021 GMC Sierra AT4. |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 23, '12 From northridge,CA Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) ![]() |
Sounds great what prices should I be looking for and what components as what compression and any live near SoCal or have a web cam in case I need some help or even a simple phone call for step by step instructions would be amazing help to me someone please
|
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Dec 8, '03 From Lancaster CA Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) ![]() |
way more power than a beams? how so? beams makes 210hp, around 170 or so whp...the 1m/3m both make just about the same, hp wise, just with more tq because of the extra displacement. like i said, totally diffrent powerband. dude! i made 240 lbs of torque and 220 HP, to the wheels and thats using an E153 transmission. ![]() this is with no VVT support either. If i had VVT control I'd probably gain another 20 lbs of torque. Also the VVT in the BEAMS is not a true VVT. its wither on or off. its not constantly adjusting like the newer engines are. This post has been edited by Smaay: Mar 10, 2013 - 2:53 PM -------------------- 2001 Celica GT-S Turbo
1997 Supra TT 6speed 1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap 1990 Celica All-Trac |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 29, '09 From Gainesville, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 17 (100%) ![]() |
its not constantly adjusting like the newer engines are. VVT on the ladies Yaris is annoying. Its like a mini-boost from take off, but no where else. Seems to only work 100% through the band if you hold the gas in the same position the whole acceleration which is not useful in passing. Could just be the baby motor =P I love the V6 concept. That torque is a nice sell coming from a 7a, then going to a 5s. I had to learn to rev that bugger to get the power I wanted, no biggie , ease to learn. Though I miss the "instant" torque of the 7a or as described in a V6 swap. but just about everything mentioned it this thread about custom, and near similar power doesn't sway me to the V6. Its mainly the custom work that bugs me, and as pressure mentioned the lack of future potential. Though I think a v6 has more power options then a beams, just matters which v6 =P I hung on a beams swap for a long time, because I didn't want the maint of a 3s or turbo powered vehicle, but in the end, cost vs. power gains really forced to going with a 3s. All those other quirks can be a learned driving change in my opinion for the high revs, so it really comes down to how much power, and what kind of driver you want to be. I want power, I'll learn to be another kind of driver once I get my power goals =) This post has been edited by rave2n: Mar 10, 2013 - 4:46 PM |
![]() |
|
![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Oct 1, '02 From fall river, ma Currently Offline Reputation: 13 (100%) ![]() |
thats cool, didnt know the 3m made that much more power than the 1m.
i dunno, im still convinced that the 3rd gen swap is the best bang for your buck, even if it is more money up front. like i said in my earlier posts, the beams is a fun motor, but once your in a 3s equipped celica, theres no going back to the beams, or 220whp @ 5k rpm. was that on the fresh rebuild, smaay? i'd imagine with the vvt it'd hold out the tq longer, right? -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
![]() 13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) ![]() |
Once smaay has the supercharger strapped on (if he's still doing it)
I think the v6 should put out as much power if not more than a GTE an won't weigh the car down anymore than a GTE Do get me wrong I'm not saying the the GTE isn't a awesome motor Cuz it is. But stock to stock IF you want to stay n/a a v6 is the better option. But I'm with smaay the 1/3mz has a lot of room to make more power just no one with a celica has really done it An the 1mz if I remember correctly ( like I said IF) has ran fast quarter mile times in a Mr than s stock rev2 GTE can These v6s are great for swap an until you see one you come realize how much room there still is to work Ask richee3 he's seen mine There's more room between the motor an firewall in my celica than his rx330 -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's 94 st hatch my daily driver http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235 ![]() |
![]() |
|
![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Jun 29, '08 From Denver Currently Offline Reputation: 59 (100%) ![]() |
Also the VVT in the BEAMS is not a true VVT. its wither on or off. its not constantly adjusting like the newer engines are. No, that's the 4A-GE. VVT-i in the BEAMS is precisely the same, constantly changing timing that is seen in today's engines. 4A-GE = VVT, BEAMS = VVT-i. Ask richee3 he's seen mine There's more room between the motor an firewall in my celica than his rx330 My RX300 blows. Plain and simple. ![]() mi645- Here on 6gc, we're a pretty helpful bunch of people, but information on what to look for in a new engine is pretty commonplace. We'll help you as long as you're willing to help yourself, and so far all I've seen in this thread is "somebody do it for me." Not trying to bash or be a jerk, but a simple Google search would give you any answer you want. -------------------- "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others labored hard for." -Socrates. Even Socrates told us to use the search button!
![]() 2006 Aston Martin V8 Vantage. 1998 Celica GT- BEAMS Swapped. 2022 4Runner TRD Off Road Prenium. 2021 GMC Sierra AT4. |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) ![]() |
A point I seen made earlier Why do you want to do a swap that is very well know WILL NOT pass Emissions in your state?
-------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's 94 st hatch my daily driver http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235 ![]() |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Mar 15, '07 From Tennessee Currently Offline Reputation: 52 (100%) ![]() |
fact of the matter. people will tell you
v6 - because they have it 3sgte - because they have it beams - because they have it. In the end u make the decision. Pressure is right, after a while the beams gets boring. And this is coming from one who has the beams in his car. My 200 hp frs is more fun to drive. and good luck with replacement parts!!! A V6 could be a waste of time and money unless a newer 2gr, because in the end, you'll want more power, and more, and where does it end? and i know some members have this, but got to remember this is my opinion. 3sgte is expensive, although a fair swap. But if you break the engine, then you'll have some trouble finding certain parts. but not difficult. At the end, your car, your money your swap. Listen to different opinions, and then make ur own, dont let anyone make the choice for u. -------------------- Learned a lot in 10 years... I hardly log in anymore, last login Today Sept 6 2019, and I was forced just to clarify a post. LOL
If you PM me and I dont respond, dont fret or cry. Im alive, better post your questions in the thread below, maybe I log back in 2grfe Swapped... Why I chose the 2GR, before you ask read here... A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within. @llamaraxing in Instagram is the best way to find me. I hardly log here anymore. |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Dec 8, '03 From Lancaster CA Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) ![]() |
thats cool, didnt know the 3m made that much more power than the 1m. i dunno, im still convinced that the 3rd gen swap is the best bang for your buck, even if it is more money up front. like i said in my earlier posts, the beams is a fun motor, but once your in a 3s equipped celica, theres no going back to the beams, or 220whp @ 5k rpm. was that on the fresh rebuild, smaay? i'd imagine with the vvt it'd hold out the tq longer, right? no rebuild, that was a straight pull from a 05 Sienna. I put the 1MZ intake manifold on it and dropped it in. it felt a little faster than my hybrid engine. the 3MZ has a larger cam also so that helps get the power up there ill say it again, i drove Eryns car with a 3S-GTE at 18psi and it was freaking awesome!!!! If i hadnt done this already, i would have gone 3S-GTE. but now that I have driven both cars. for people on a budget of 2000-2500 for everything, and i mean everything, the V6 is the way to go. I know you can shop around to get it cheaper but for the typical 3S-GTE swap, its going to cost about 4000+ -------------------- 2001 Celica GT-S Turbo
1997 Supra TT 6speed 1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap 1990 Celica All-Trac |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 3, '11 From Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) ![]() |
I'm sorry, I don't understand....
Richee, mine is without a shadow of a doubt faster than yours. You REALLY NEED to get that heavy flywheel out bro lol I can vouch for the beams being a blast. Maybe that's cause mine is rhd, but it's in a different realm in comparison to the 5s and I'm sure the 3sgte is like that to the beams. I picked up my 2nd beams for 1350 delivered. That was with afm, tranny, cables, axles, ecu, uncut harness, down pipe, everything. But smog is a concern in California for sure. But Bonzai has one, so it can be done... Beams is the easiest swap, cost the less, but you're limited on power... Your call -------------------- ![]() |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) ![]() |
From what I read I don't think bonzai even knows how his car passed smog
An as far as beams being cheapest an easiest I only agree with half of that Yes is is the easiest but not cheapest I picked up a 98 avalon for 350 an was able to drive it to make sure the engine I was getting was good So that gave me 95% of what I need for my swap for 350 The harness cost 430 Clutch/flywheel was 300 That's just over 1000 so I could have finished my swap for under what you paid for just your swap. An 1300 is a lot less than you see a normal beams swap go for too let's be honest on that part -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's 94 st hatch my daily driver http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235 ![]() |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Dec 8, '03 From Lancaster CA Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) ![]() |
^^^ like i been saying you can find 3MZ engines for less than 1000 with the ECU and harness. you can use your own GT 5 speed and axles. the only thing that needs fabbing is the Y pipe and passenger engine mount.
If there was a real demand and i had the time, i would build kits that include complete wiring harness' the engine mount and the Y pipe. so all you need to do is hit up an autozone to find the hoses that work and install. Oh and an axle bearing carrier. since im using the E153 and MR2/ST185 axles. the 05 sienna carrier worked perfectly. -------------------- 2001 Celica GT-S Turbo
1997 Supra TT 6speed 1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap 1990 Celica All-Trac |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 23, '12 From northridge,CA Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) ![]() |
I'm not looking to find someone to do all the work for me. I'm not lookin for horsepower I track and auto x my car my 5s is aging leaking and it needs a lot of money I just decided to swap a beams rather than fix the 5s and my teams giving me problems so I wanted a whole new engine with trans over all I'm spending the same amount of money fixing my 5s and I wan the high end power that my 5s lacks so much. I'm willing to get the work done... But like I said I live in an apartment I need someone to help me I can't simply swap it in my apartment and the wiring I never had to work with wiring I don't wanna pull the motor out and be stuck and I have a 73 240z making way more power than the Celica will ever make I could've put an ls1 in te z but I chose not to I kept stock motor. But anyways I'm looking for advice not someone to do anything for me I just read a lot of things like web people buy a beams something breaks on it when it's being shipped so I asked what to look out for.... Simple as that my bad.
And I know bonzai personally I've seen his Celica I've ridden in it b4. |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Dec 8, '03 From Lancaster CA Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) ![]() |
you are not looking for someone to do the work for you but you dont have a place to do the work?????
-------------------- 2001 Celica GT-S Turbo
1997 Supra TT 6speed 1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap 1990 Celica All-Trac |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 23, '12 From northridge,CA Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) ![]() |
I'm asking for ideas or someone that can help me do it fast cuz I can't keep it at my apartment with the motor out over a day I got permission but only 1 day. So I need pointers experienced people etc.
|
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 29, '09 From Gainesville, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 17 (100%) ![]() |
I'm asking for ideas or someone that can help me do it fast cuz I can't keep it at my apartment with the motor out over a day I got permission but only 1 day. So I need pointers experienced people etc. So swap the engine, put the hood back on it. Complete it when you can. Just because you swapped the engine doesn't mean it needs to run that day. How the hell would they know..worst case, roll it to another parking spot at night. If there is a will, there is a way. This post has been edited by rave2n: Mar 12, 2013 - 4:50 AM |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Mar 15, '07 From Tennessee Currently Offline Reputation: 52 (100%) ![]() |
rent a storage unit for 1 month. plenty of time. 80 bucks. bro, plenty of time.
-------------------- Learned a lot in 10 years... I hardly log in anymore, last login Today Sept 6 2019, and I was forced just to clarify a post. LOL
If you PM me and I dont respond, dont fret or cry. Im alive, better post your questions in the thread below, maybe I log back in 2grfe Swapped... Why I chose the 2GR, before you ask read here... A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within. @llamaraxing in Instagram is the best way to find me. I hardly log here anymore. |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Dec 8, '03 From Lancaster CA Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) ![]() |
its going to take longer than a day. im more than happy to help pull your engine out and install the V6 up at my place. i have everything needed. but its still going to be a few day job. there is always something that is missing, or you need to order.
-------------------- 2001 Celica GT-S Turbo
1997 Supra TT 6speed 1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap 1990 Celica All-Trac |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 3, '11 From Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) ![]() |
its going to take longer than a day. im more than happy to help pull your engine out and install the V6 up at my place. i have everything needed. but its still going to be a few day job. there is always something that is missing, or you need to order. The question we haven't asked yet is whether there is a restriction for his auto x class on engine. -------------------- ![]() |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 23, '12 From northridge,CA Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) ![]() |
I go on private events with my Celica. Only my Datsun 240z is scca approved.
But anyways Smayy would u be down for a beams swap? If ur good with pulling engines maybe u can teach me. I never pulled a fwd engine out before. |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Dec 8, '03 From Lancaster CA Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) ![]() |
i think you should drive my car first before you do a BEAMS
-------------------- 2001 Celica GT-S Turbo
1997 Supra TT 6speed 1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap 1990 Celica All-Trac |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 23, '12 From northridge,CA Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) ![]() |
The v6?
|
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Apr 24, '08 From Orange County, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 33 (100%) ![]() |
and then drive my car.
but no fair you've got aftermarket ecu and tune hehe -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...p;#entry1107514 |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 23, '12 From northridge,CA Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) ![]() |
Ok anyways I still want the beams no offense to the v6 owners Ive been a beams fan and my friend lives in Japan so
I have acces to all parts like gaskets and etc. I need help with the wiring I cat find a good source please |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 3, '11 From Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) ![]() |
Dude, we told you where to find that info. My project thread.... Richees thread, etc.
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=81373 Bottom of page -------------------- ![]() |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Mar 15, '07 From Tennessee Currently Offline Reputation: 52 (100%) ![]() |
if you are interested in swapping, first and foremost dont jump at the first beams engine you find, because you will regret it.
you need a reliable seller, and a reliable engine. 1. important parts: afm, oem intake, vvti sensor, manifold and b-pipe with o2 sensor. these parts cannot be missing, i repeat, cannot, you will have lots of headaches. yes you can find them, but its better to have them. 2. good to get parts, but not important, the beams axles, they are thicker, but u can use your original s54 axles. 3. wiring: uncut harness, i repeat, uncut, and save yourself headaches. you can either extend the harness, or not. its a preference. If you dont extend cut the firewall (Richee did this) The rest of wiring just involves repining one cable, and splicing 2 cables as far i remember. 4. Beams ECU will not fit the ecu base. I modified mine, and this is optional. 5. Exhaust, needs to be 2.5. I had a jdm exhaust imported. 6. clutch: there is a shopping list, cant remember ATM 7. Timing belt : again, different shopping list. 8. Fuel filter and fuel line: make sure the line is not cut, othewise you need to be creative and use some fittings and hoses. The swap in itself its straightforward. I never done anything in my life, but with the right tools, any monkey can do it. Make sure you are in connection with seller, just in case something is missing you can get it quick. Refresh the engine, before the swap, i did not, and now i have to pull the tranny to do the clutch, i regret that. -------------------- Learned a lot in 10 years... I hardly log in anymore, last login Today Sept 6 2019, and I was forced just to clarify a post. LOL
If you PM me and I dont respond, dont fret or cry. Im alive, better post your questions in the thread below, maybe I log back in 2grfe Swapped... Why I chose the 2GR, before you ask read here... A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within. @llamaraxing in Instagram is the best way to find me. I hardly log here anymore. |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 3, '11 From Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) ![]() |
This ^^^^
This is why I linked you to the eBay beams to show you completeness. Make sure it is all there. Richee3 can tell you the importance of that lol. Timing belt could be a while though. Lithia didn't have them in stock when I ordered mine. Took 6 weeks to get here. I put the harness above the axles though any day. -------------------- ![]() |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 3, '11 From Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) ![]() |
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=84834
See the engine in there? That's what you want. I had to find the rubber elbow though. Bought the hks adapter for the intake because it's a racecar and I'm going to ram air the intake. But ass far as expensive parts go, this had it all and then some -------------------- ![]() |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Dec 8, '03 From Lancaster CA Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) ![]() |
yes drive the V6, the last few posts above have good details on things that you will need for a BEAMS. If you go the V6 route, parts are readily accessible. Like i said, im rebuilding a 1MZ right now, its going to have all new parts in it. well new rings and bearings and gaskets. thats an engine you can trust. just something to think about.
-------------------- 2001 Celica GT-S Turbo
1997 Supra TT 6speed 1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap 1990 Celica All-Trac |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Apr 24, '08 From Orange County, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 33 (100%) ![]() |
yea while v6 is more fun i just like the simple fact that the beams came factory from the celica assembly line and the helical lsd it comes with
the oem b-pipe inside diameter is 57mm btw! This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Mar 14, 2013 - 1:14 PM -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...p;#entry1107514 |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Mar 15, '07 From Tennessee Currently Offline Reputation: 52 (100%) ![]() |
THIS HAS BECOME A PISSING COMPETITION. I will leave it at that. make YOUR choice and have fun.
-------------------- Learned a lot in 10 years... I hardly log in anymore, last login Today Sept 6 2019, and I was forced just to clarify a post. LOL
If you PM me and I dont respond, dont fret or cry. Im alive, better post your questions in the thread below, maybe I log back in 2grfe Swapped... Why I chose the 2GR, before you ask read here... A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within. @llamaraxing in Instagram is the best way to find me. I hardly log here anymore. |
![]() |
|
Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Dec 8, '03 From Lancaster CA Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) ![]() |
i wouldnt say pissing, maybe squirting
![]() -------------------- 2001 Celica GT-S Turbo
1997 Supra TT 6speed 1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap 1990 Celica All-Trac |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Mar 8, '12 From Hanford/Fresno, Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 20 (100%) ![]() |
yes drive the V6, the last few posts above have good details on things that you will need for a BEAMS. If you go the V6 route, parts are readily accessible. Like i said, im rebuilding a 1MZ right now, its going to have all new parts in it. well new rings and bearings and gaskets. thats an engine you can trust. just something to think about. Hey smaay. Since you live in cali and have a 1mz swap. Is that care street legal? Or was it under the table? Lol. I don't know if you want to answer that question or not but yea. I'm just wandering how much it cost for the swap and getting it bar'd by a ref? -------------------- |
![]() |
|
![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined May 3, '11 From Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) ![]() |
As far as parts are concerned, the only thing to really worry about is bad stuff like valves and the timing side of the motor.
Tstat is tundra v8 4.7L Plugs can be found at Napa. Axles are same. Air filter is 5s MAF is v6 Camry/solara Oil filter same If you rebuilt the engine it would be a pain, but everyday stuff isn't a problem. So it's both yes and no to the parts. -------------------- ![]() |
![]() ![]() |
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: August 3rd, 2025 - 10:43 AM |