94 gt to 5sfte swap maybe much more, My progress start to finish, one step at a time Options

[NeverBeGosu]

4 JUNE 2013

OK OK, so here is the deal. I have spent alot of time on trying to find a 6gc worth purchasing. I have found a few and have made offers that were not taken. So I decided to start my own project thread, and just turn one of my two celica's into my dream celica.

Project Basics.

94 Celica GT- Automatic 5sfe>>>>>>>>>into>>>>>>>>>> 94 Celica GT- Manual 5SFTE

I have a 95 manual 5sfe that I will be using parts out of.

Step 1. Pretty much remove everything from the 94. Interior first, then engine compartment. Then Undercarage.
Step 2. Re- carpet / customize interior.
Step 3. Get barebone frame/Engine Bay painted.
Step 4. Drive train / undercarage / wheels installation.
Step 5. Tranny/Motor installation.
Step 6. Body Kit and Paint job.
Step 7. Speeding tickets, bitches, and car shows.

Got most of my tools out of storage into the new house so will be starting tonight hopefully. Will take a few starting pictures of both cars, and keep a running list of everything. I am not doing this on the site for nothing. This is my first auto project ever, and am taking it a bit at a time as I learn things. I will have tons of questions and would love some experienced input from the users that made me into a 6gc nut.

Ideas, Concerns, positive criticism, and any other things you want to throw in here would be much appreciated. Like I said, its my first ever auto project ever. I don't know ****, but have a descent amount of cash, so am planning on having fun and doing it right no matter how long it takes.

Things I still need, been doing alot of research over the past few months and heres where I am stuck.

MOTOR / Tranny

Been looking at the 5sfe block, and was hoping to get an E tranny,


Thanks in advanced, and I look forward to doing my project with the help of all you 6gc'rs helping out along the way.

This post has been edited by NeverBeGosu: Jul 22, 2013 - 3:57 PM

[mgnt232]

its good your starting from scratch pretty much lol. IMO its harder to start with little things, and more and more and then something big and continue with little things and so on while trying to keep the car drivable. I assume it will be alot easier and far less painful knowing the car can sit and you will have the time to get the right parts lol no macgyver-ing things
Im kinda of in the same boat as you with the trans, i dont quite know if i know enough to take a shot at it. Thats why I went with the GT trans.
Also you say buying and engine and trans, why not buy a whole clip? I know you have the 95 GT but there are plenty of items that will not be there that you will have a headache trying to source + the money goes through the roof. Im pretty comfortable, but the spending got fairly high for what should be a fairly straightforward swap.
Keep us updated

[NeverBeGosu]

Got some pictures done, hosting them on my own webspace. So I can use higher reseloution and not fill the thread with 1000 pictures cuase I am planning on doing a lot of pictures.

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I pulled off the front and rear bumpers and both fenders.

Removed front and rear seats

Removed center consel

Removed trunk items and some of the trim and spare.

Started to undo the dash but got a little tired.

Removed stereo and climate control.

Next project is to remove carpet and get a really good enterior cleaning.

Will post more pics and more progress as I finish small projects on it.

This post has been edited by NeverBeGosu: Jun 10, 2013 - 1:03 AM

[JoshuaM]

Looks like a cool project, will be watching

And I would recommend using the image tags in your post... I understand why you kept them as links, but if we are reading this then we want the pics and opening all of them individually can be painful, especially on mobile devices

[NeverBeGosu]

kk ill take a look at the pictures and am still thinking about buying a clip, but I am in the middle of buying a full 3sgte this one is so I can learn the car better .

[NeverBeGosu]

Removed rear seats and all carpet, as well as did a rough first cleaning of the interior. Will need a few more days to finish of the wipe down cuase is was pretty growdy. I am working very hard on it. Sorry for no pics, but my darn camera died, will buy some batteries tomorrow and take current pictures before I continue

[NeverBeGosu]

BEEN REALLY HIT OR MISS on finding a clip or engine/tranny for what I am going for.

TO ALL MY READERS------------------------
If you come across a 3sgte clip with front wheel drive trans, and includes all the bells and whistles, let me know. I browse a few times a week but think I'm missing it somehow. If your experienced with the swap, and see a good deal let me know so I can snag it.

Email mike@uprisetechnology.com to get ahold of me sooner. Thanks
NBG

[NeverBeGosu]

after two full cans of engine degreaser on the inside of my car I think I have it clean enough to move onto the next step. Removing the rest of interior panels, and then removing the dash. Car had aftermarket crap from owner I bought it from 10 years ago, that were pretty rigged. I think thats why when I got out of my car if i put my hand on the floor panel I would get shocked. So I am going to go through the electrical system and bring it back to basics, then rewire anything I want. I got my Toyota manual in the mail so this will be fun.

I will post pics of the clean job when I get home from work tonight, I took the pictures but didnt get time to upload them.

Anyone have a good paint they used for interior? I have done some painting but didnt like the texture. So I am going to strip it down and start over. I am talking about all the interior panels in the rear and the dash. I'm not experienced with any of this so learning is half the fun.

[NeverBeGosu]

Next Steps

1. Pull off dash
2. Check for any unused wiring left from prior owner mods
3. Check on wind shild replacement (I have a crack but have a good windshield on other celi so gonna swap em.)
4. Remove Door Panels
5. Remove rear bumper.
6. Mark all body defects with blue tape for later repair
7. Look at front lights to see what needs to be replaced / repaired. Looking like world war three up there.

Should be able to noc all of this out tonight except for the windshield stuff. We will see what happens.

[NeverBeGosu]

Ok so I got caught up with the pics, I am only going to host a few in the site, but if you want to see more you can use the hot links.

First are pictures of the interior when I pulled the carpet, it was pretty bad.




Here are a few after I cleaned it up with degreaser and scrubbing and a bit of hosing down.



Still not quite as clean as I want, but had to move on for now, cuase my arms were tired from workout then scrubbing this crap for a few hours.

Heres a pic of my garage so you can see the workspace.



I have a ton more pics on my site so if anyone wants to browse through them they can.

My pics stored on server

That will bring you to my index page and you can browse from there.

This post has been edited by NeverBeGosu: Jun 13, 2013 - 4:16 AM

[mgnt232]

clean
doing it the right way lol, dont cut any corners with it, it'll just cost more in the end
as for the clip, keep an eye out on ebay for an st205 clip. Theres going to be parts missing IMO regardless, but it should contain everything

[NeverBeGosu]

If I was to get an engine/transmission purchased, not necessarily a clip, but just the motor ecu and the harness with tranny, which is the way to go, I mean to fit into our chassis.

I know enough about the motors to choose, but don't know enough about the transmissions. Which ones fit in our car that will mount.

And is there a difference with the 185/205/215 3sgte motors when it comes to alignment with any of the usuable transmissions. I have been doing some research and am stuck on this.

I have a few people saying the s54 then some saying the e153 then a few more saying the s54 with s51 conversion gears. I just can't figure out the difference, I would assume we need the s54 or the e153, but the 153 requires different hubs and what not. But most of the transmissions im getting offered with the car are awd. So I then read through all the conversion post for the awd, to 2wd trans conversion. But still don't think I am comphortable with that.

Some advice would help out a lot.

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I have time and money and patience, and I want to do this right. So I can even go with the awd conversion if that would just make things better. I read a bit on that too. Have to cut and weild chassis, for the fuel tank, and work in a motor mount, but was that it?

[kurt95gt]

Your best bet is to do like everyone is saying
Just buy a clip with the awd trans an get a e153 from a local scrap yard
The e153 was used in all the v6 5speed camrys an es300's an a few other cars so it'll be an easy find but your not going to find them together.
What's your power goal?? Are you just doing a stock 3sgte with nothing more than a good exhaust ? If so the s54 will hold up OK an you won't need any new mounts or axles.
If you go with a e153 you'll need gt4 mounts...witch will come in the clip you buy an you'll need custom axles

Hope that helps. I did a v6 swap an went through the same headache trying to deside on a trans for awhile so I basically based my choose off what I already had an what my overall power goal was an desided the s54 was work for my swap

[NeverBeGosu]

OK OK, so I got my 3sgte car. And now I love it so much I want to do a bit more to the current project, so here is a great place to start cuase I have it torn already.

I'm going for the AWD converstion. It will be easier if I can find A clip with the awd trans/rear axel already. I will have to do more research on how to prep my car and I know its been done, just have to look for the post on here. I know I have to do some cutting and welding to get the fuel tank moved and what not but I will do the research soon to see exactly what all has to be done. This project is just getting deeper and deeper. I love the car so much I want it to be perfect.

And to answer the questions I am going for performance. I want everything performance on it.

[NeverBeGosu]

Got a bit more done. Keep in mind I have no idea what I am doing and learning as I go

This is my engine bay currently


Removed panels and carpets


Started sanding some of the bad spots on paint.






Removed Calipers and mounts



Removed outer headlights cuase they have broken tabs.


Removed windshield washer fluid tank and stem assembly.



Will be working on it a little more cause I want to get some progress done on this now that I got my 3sgte out of the shop.

[CrossCudi]

pretty awesome. Keep up the good work !

[NeverBeGosu]

I have been doing about 5 hours of research a day. And here is the updated info.

5sfte build from Pressure2s thread is the goal. But I am going all out.

I need tons of assistance from those who have owned the parts and worked with the companies for opinions/options.

KK FELLAS HELP ME OUT WHAT ELSE DO I NEED. I WILL UPDATE THE POST AND LIST AS I GET SOME HELP. STARTING WITH JUST THE ENGINE UPGRADES AND THEN WILL WORK ON THE TURBO.

Will not be ordering parts until I have my plan complete, and have everything mapped out to fix my stuff.
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WHAT I NEED TO BUY.

Engine Upgrades:

I. JE Pistons: Gapless top rings, High Heat Coating Pistons and Skirts, Lateral Gas Ports, Heavy Duty Wrist Pins, Accumulator Grooves, Double Pin Oilers, Contact Groves 1165.00

II. Pauter Forged Rod Set 4340:
898.00

III. CAMS: Webcamshafts.com 779/781
816.00

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What else do I need fellas.

[Syaoran]

You might not need any of that depending on the power goals you have.

If this is going to be a showcar, I would recommend getting a prettier 3S-GTE in there instead.

[NeverBeGosu]

You might not need any of that depending on the power goals you have.

If this is going to be a showcar, I would recommend getting a prettier 3S-GTE in there instead.

Its two diffehrent things, showcar, but want it to be powerfull and street legal.

5sfte is the project. I already have a 3sgte. I want something that is less available, more original. Looking for over 350 hp with the ability to go more. Like I said, this is not a daily, this is my toy, so I want it 5sfte with the best parts to push it to the limits. Now if I blow an engine that's fine, but I would like to have all the best parts to help prevent that. I know that means lots of tuning, and since I don't know much about it I am going to spend lots of money to get it done, but who cares. I have a large budget for the project.

[NeverBeGosu]

I have been doing about 5 hours of research a day. And here is the updated info on the path I am going to take.

Using a lot of the info from pressure2s thread, smaay's thread, and a few other guys that have posted there 5sfte, I am trying to get a 350 to 500 hp 5sfte that will not break in a year. I know many of you have the thoughts of "WTF" but keep your comments about how its a waist of money and how its dumb to yourselves.

Performance Engine Internals/Peformance Cooling/Peformance Fuel Management/Performance well Everything.


I need tons of assistance from those who have owned the parts and worked with the companies for opinions/op
KK FELLAS HELP ME OUT WHAT ELSE DO I NEED. I WILL UPDATE THE POST AND LIST AS I GET SOME HELP. STARTING WITH JUST THE ENGINE UPGRADES AND THEN WILL WORK ON THE TURBO.

Will not be ordering parts until I have my plan complete, and have everything mapped out to fix my stuff.
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WHAT I NEED TO BUY.
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ENGINE UPGRADES

I. JE Pistons: Gapless top rings, High Heat Coating Pistons and Skirts, Lateral Gas Ports, Heavy Duty Wrist Pins, Accumulator Grooves, Double Pin Oilers, Contact Groves 1165.00

II. Pauter Forged Rod Set 4340:
898.00

III. CAMS: Webcamshafts.com 294 grind
816.00

IV. Valve Springs and Valves. (don't know yet, most likely going to just get custom made at perfomancevalves)

a) Ferrea Dueal valve Springs
561.00
b) Ferrea Valve Retainers Titanium
349.00
c) Ferrea Valve Seal Set
48.00
d) Exaust and Intake Valves
545:00
e) Ferrea Seat Locators
110.00
f) Ferrea Valve Locks
109.00
g) Ferrea Valve guide Set
102.00
109.00

V. Clutch
Clutchmaster clutch

515.00

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MANAGMENT

I. Megasquirt custom (Don't know version, still researching it.)

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FUEL SYSTEM

I. PUMP:

II. FILTER:

III. INJECTORS: 460cc rx7


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Cooling System

I. Radiator- Mishimoto Performance Aluminum Radiator
360.00

II. Intercooler-Mishimoto J Series Intercooler
325.00


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What else do I need fellas.

This post has been edited by NeverBeGosu: Aug 7, 2013 - 7:00 PM

[NeverBeGosu]

Engine Hoist gets here today, got the engine stand in yesterday. Will be working and taking more pictures on the removal. Will be a slow process cuase I Have no experience on doing any of this. So I will be labeling everything which adds a lot of time lol. But will payoff in the end.

As soon as I get the first motor pulled, hopefully the only one if the motor is within specs of the project, I will bring it down to a local guy and get it machined. Trying for the pure 2.2L so we will see. The closer everything is to true stock specs the better in my opinion. At least till the motor is done and I start to work on the forced induction.

Thinking about dropping compression to 8.5 for boost allowance. Anyone experienced with this or played with this?

This post has been edited by NeverBeGosu: Jul 26, 2013 - 2:31 PM

[NeverBeGosu]

Had a snag on the hoist, supposed to be delivered in 2 days no. bastard delivery companies.

[NeverBeGosu]

OMG........... I am dizzy in research. lol. But as pressure, and sway and many others have stated, its the most important part of any build. Anyways, I have decided to go with the following for my build

400 HP Street, With a high power band. This project will take some time now that I figured I would be dropping about 15k into it.

Here is what the planning has gotten me.

Will get the motor pulled in the next two weeks and hopefully see if my first motor will run the project, if not I have to chop up my other 5s and see if that motor will do So much fun learning this stuff though.

anyways here is the current shopping list as it sits right now. Please critique if you have ever used any of these parts and feel that its not good enough for the goals.

My 5sfe (turbo) 2.2 L 94 Celica GT Build
Information you need to know about the stock motor.

Valve Angle- 22.3 Degrees
Displacement- 2.2 Liter 2164cc
Bore- 3.42” 87.1mm
Stroke- 3.58” n90.9 mm
Compression Ratio- 9.5: 1
Redline 6300 RPM


Engine: 5sfe
Engine Maitenance Machining Polishing
350.00
Block Build
1. Pistons- JE Pistons: Gapless top rings, High Heat Coating Pistons and Skirts, Lateral Gas Ports, Heavy Duty Wrist Pins, Accumulator Grooves, Double Pin Oilers, Contact Groves
1165.00
2. Rods- Custom Pauter Rods Rods
898.00
Head Build
1. Camshaft- Webcamshafts Don’t know what grind, need to research more maybe a 101 CAMSHAFT
816.00
2. Valvetrain- Ferrea Costum Order
1831.00
a) Ferrea Dueal valve Springs
561.00
b) Ferrea Valve Retainers Titanium
349.00
c) Ferrea Valve Seal Set
48.00
d) Exaust and Intake Valves
545:00
e) Ferrea Seat Locators
110.00
f) Ferrea Valve Locks
109.00
g) Ferrea Valve guide Set
102.00
Engine Exterior Mods
1. Exhaust Manifold- T3 Prostreet Manifold Manifold
1111.85
2. Radiator- Mishimoto Performance Radiator
340.oo
3. Downpipe- Berktechnologies Downpipe Berk Downpipe
260.00
4. LINES AND CONNECTORS MISC…-
5. Oil Pan- 3sgte pan
Price Unknown
6. Fuel Pump- Walboro 255 Fuel pump
125.00
Transmission Swap

1. E153 Transmission from 97-99 Camry
2. St 205 mounts all around
3. 91-92 mr2 inner shafts
4. 91-92 st185 outer shaft
5. St185 shift linkage
6. St185 drivers side motor mount
1200.00







Induction
• Turbo- TD06 ATS - TDO6 kit kit will probably not be used but will order things individually, just a pricing idea.
TD06 20G turbocharger
• Tial 38mm external wastegate
• Machined (not cast) turbo adaptor with wastegate flange
• External "dump pipe"
• Mandrel Bent Stainless Steel Downpipe
• Oil feed line with block adaptor
• Oil drain line
• Water lines and fittings
• Gaskets
• Stainless Steel Bolts, nuts, etc.
2100.00
1. Intercooler- Mishimoto Intercooler Intercooloer
2. Wastegate- Tial 38mm external
3. BOV- HKS ssqv
300.00
4. PIPING-
200.00
5. OIL LINES-
6. MISC..
7. Guages Turbo-
8. Guages Fuel-
9. Guages Oil-
10. Guages Misc-





Transmission Drive/Train/Suspension
1. Clutch: FX400 Clutchmasters Clutch
515.00
2. Flywheel: Fidanza Lightweight Flywheel Flywheel
387.60
3. Suspension
4. Calipers
5. Brakes

This post has been edited by NeverBeGosu: Aug 20, 2013 - 6:26 PM

[NeverBeGosu]

Not loosing patience, but am starting to think things over a bit for the last few months since starting this project.

I think I am going to slowly build this up instead of doing it all at once.

Reasons for change:
1. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL IM DOING.
2. I feel that if I go will all performance I am just going to destroy high dollar parts by screwing something up.
3. I feel that By slowing it down a bit, then working my way up to the original project goal, I will save a lot of money, and well..... pride.

So on with the change...

1. Using stock internals with a c26 turbo, which is on its way.
2. Did get my hands on an e153 tranny so am still going to swap out my automatic for the manual.
3. Going to turbo and learn, most likely ruin a block and eternals on one of my two 5sfe blocks. But its so I can learn what I am doing.
4. I will still be only making purchases towards the end goal from the start of my thread, but will be doing it all a little bit at a time.


Question I have, If I am going to do this, I need to start looking really good into the Megasquirt system, or some other stand alone ECU. Anyone who has relevant information on this, please add a link to the site/forum/topic so I can get a lot more research done on it. Thanks everyone for the help. You guys are awesome.