GB: ATTENTION 5SFE!! WebCams ANY grind! $490, 5 people ready with CASH and CAMS in hand Options

[ILoveMySilly97]

I'm doing a group buy for the webcamshaft Performance grinds for our engine. You can choose ANY grind you want as long as it's from the 5sfe. I contacted them and they said they can cut a deal with me. If I can get 3+ buyers there'll be a 25% discount. If I can get 10+ buyers there'll be a 40% discount. Retail price is $816 which makes it $612 with 3+ buyers and $490 with 10+!!! Dirt cheap if I manage to get the 10 buyers. The process is pretty simple but time consuming.

Here's the website for the available grind. Click "PRODUCT SEARCH". http://www.webcamshafts.com/
For bolt on camshaft. I'd go for the 294 grind. It's bolt on.

The process will be:

You will pay for the discounted retail price along with a discount code that was given to me. I'll give the code out once we've reached 10 buyers. Also you'll be paying for the shipping to webcams. I'd suggest giving them a call about the group buy that's being grouped by "Ken Lee" which is me. Talk to Faith, she's the one I'm dealing with btw. I'd expect the cams to be away from you for at least a month. So if your car can't be down for that long, just go to your local junk yard and pull one out from any 5sfe so that's mr2, camry, celica, or rav4.

If you're interested please email me at lee-boi93@hotmail.com or comment below.

For those of you who thinks this is a scam or something you can call webcams at (951) 369-5144. They know me by Ken Lee and they know what I'm up to. Here's also my 6gc.net buyer/seller reputation. http://www.6gc.net/members/ILoveMySilly97/reputation

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...52417&st=20

ok here's the pics.



the cams





and my nose



now the real info



now my motor has 156K miles on it and my compression was low, but consistant.

here's a comparison was another 5s, 1998 51K miles on it



and some #s info



and the INFO

my 5s topped out at 123whp and 126ft/lbs of torque.

on the 1998 stock 5s (intake) at 4700 RPMs it doesn't make any more power, it drops hp like a rock. My 1995 156K 5s continues to make hp. I peaked out close to redline and CONTINUED TO MAKE POWER until then. So at redline (about 6000 RPMs) I had about 123hp while the stock had The stock 5s 103hp. As for torque, the 98 drops off at 4700 and mine continued hold out longer. I had 110ft/lbs of torque and the stock 98 had 92ft/lbs.

The bottom line is I didn't dyno my car before the cams were installed so I don't know exactly were I'm starting from. From the research I've done they seem to average around 105-110hp to the wheels. If my motor was in peak condition like the 98 then I have gained about 10hp to the wheels. The important thing here is my car now holds the power later in the RPM band and where any other stock 5s drops off, my car continues to make power, right to redline.

now when I turbo...

Here's another dyno sheet with intake and tuned.



This post has been edited by ILoveMySilly97: May 5, 2014 - 6:54 PM

[Box]

I see how it is, what if I wanted to regrind cams for the 7A I'm selling this week. Jerk.

[ILoveMySilly97]

I see how it is, what if I wanted to regrind cams for the 7A I'm selling this week. Jerk.

LOL! Sorry box.

[Box]

Sorry won't cut it this time. Also I just remembered something kind of peculiar. The 5S-FE in the MR2 made 135hp throughout its life, even when the 6GC was reduced to 130hp. I suppose since it didn't undergo a model change in those years it stayed as it was.

That's ok, maybe you can regrind some 7M-GTE cams instead then. Or maybe I should buy a car that I can just buy a cam for under $200 and call it a day, who knows. I sure as Hell don't.

Everyone should shave their heads while they're at it, there needs to be more compression in the world.

This post has been edited by Box: Apr 23, 2014 - 3:35 AM

[ILoveMySilly97]

7 people interested so far.

[Smaay]

just go to your local junk yard and pull one out from any 5sfe so that's mr2, camry, celica, or pickups.

im pretty sure the 5S-FE did NOT come in any pickups. those were 22R engines.

Sorry won't cut it this time. Also I just remembered something kind of peculiar. The 5S-FE in the MR2 made 135hp throughout its life, even when the 6GC was reduced to 130hp. I suppose since it didn't undergo a model change in those years it stayed as it was.

that all has to do with header design and intake manifold differences. Its just like how the 2ZZ in the celica made more power than the 2ZZ in the Matrix or corolla XRS

[1994Celica]

Emailed you, I'm in.

[ILoveMySilly97]

Emailed you, I'm in.

Aight. I pmd you.

I meant the rav4. Lol.

Now I got 8. This will be open. Until I have 10 people ready to send in cams and ready with money.

[Box]

Sorry won't cut it this time. Also I just remembered something kind of peculiar. The 5S-FE in the MR2 made 135hp throughout its life, even when the 6GC was reduced to 130hp. I suppose since it didn't undergo a model change in those years it stayed as it was.

that all has to do with header design and intake manifold differences. Its just like how the 2ZZ in the celica made more power than the 2ZZ in the Matrix or corolla XRS

Yah, like how the ST became even more anemic in '96. We had been talking about how the 5GC had more aggressive cams at another time.

[cjpost]

I'm in but I am currently away at school and my car. I will be back no later than may 14 and no sooner than may 10. Will I still be able to do this? Or am I going to have to ask a friend to do it for me?

[cjpost]

Also a guide to removing would be very helpful.
Along with some info on cheap stuff to replace while I'm in there and what needs to be checked out to ensure the engine will run for as long as possible.

[ILoveMySilly97]

I'm in but I am currently away at school and my car. I will be back no later than may 14 and no sooner than may 10. Will I still be able to do this? Or am I going to have to ask a friend to do it for me?

I'm not planning on closing the group buy until mid to late may so you still have time. Just PM if you have money and cams or waiting on both or one or the other. So I can put you on a waiting list or the ready list.

Also a guide to removing would be very helpful.
Along with some info on cheap stuff to replace while I'm in there and what needs to be checked out to ensure the engine will run for as long as possible.

http://www.turboninjas.com/camry/eg1.pdf

valve clearance - page EG1–13
remove camshaft - page EG1-50

Also I recommend to download that .pdf file. It'll be helpful in the long run.

[ILoveMySilly97]

UPDATE: I have 10 interested people. 4 READY and 6 interested. Post won't be closed down until I have at least 10 READY. Would like to get this together by the end of may so we all can receive the cams during summer and be able to work on our swap.

[hokuten3]

hey Silly97,
they do take credit right?lol

[ILoveMySilly97]

hey Silly97,
they do take credit right?lol

Lol. Yes they do. They take PayPal transaction or cards.

[955SFE]

I'm interested. I just need to find some spare camshafts.
Now we are going to see a lot of "WTB: 5S Camshafts"

This post has been edited by 955SFE: Apr 23, 2014 - 6:43 PM

[ILoveMySilly97]

I'm interested. I just need to find some spare camshafts.
Now we are going to see a lot of "WTB: 5S Camshafts"

Spare cams are easy to find at your local junkyard. Theres plenty of camrys out in the streets and junks. Lol. If anyone needs help getting some I can always help with reimbursement. Ill add you on the waiting list until you get the cams. Then I'll put you on the ready list.

[hokuten3]

hey Silly97,
they do take credit right?lol

Lol. Yes they do. They take PayPal transaction or cards.

sweet! ^_^

[ILoveMySilly97]

Got 6 READY!

[Syaoran]

$490 is a pretty good price. I'd recommend going for the 101 grind with 1zz buckets and 2jz crower valve springs. You can get a set of cheap buckets from a junkyard head and give the head to your local machine shop to have it "calibrated" for less work and cost than what it is getting them new most likely.


This is very very tempting... but I can't afford this right now sadly

[cwong]

Im going to suggest maybe going to mr2 forum to reach your limit

[Tigawoods]

$490 is a pretty good price. I'd recommend going for the 101 grind with 1zz buckets and 2jz crower valve springs. You can get a set of cheap buckets from a junkyard head and give the head to your local machine shop to have it "calibrated" for less work and cost than what it is getting them new most likely.


This is very very tempting... but I can't afford this right now sadly

Ive been swayed away from that by a couple of the MR2 5s guru's

[ILoveMySilly97]

Update. 5 people ready with Cash and Cams in hand. Waiting on 5 others pending.

[Batman722]

Fyi I had a header, bad head gasket and a cat in the exhaust. I tuned with a safc neo and a wideband. If I had a good motor and free flowing exhaust I would have gained more power overall.
Great price imo.
Not simple to install, fyi.

[ILoveMySilly97]

Fyi I had a header, bad head gasket and a cat in the exhaust. I tuned with a safc neo and a wideband. If I had a good motor and free flowing exhaust I would have gained more power overall.
Great price imo.
Not simple to install, fyi.

Cool. I should go around the same numbers. Installation isn't simple but nothing really is simple when there's tons of bolts and torque specs and clearance specs to worry about. Lol. Just got to take your time and do it right.

[ILoveMySilly97]

Bump! Lets get 5 more buyers!

[ILoveMySilly97]

As of right now we have 5 people with money and cams ready to be sent out. Just waiting on the other 6 that are still waiting for either cams or money.

[perkyshadow]

I have some cams sitting around at a buddy's house. If anyone needs me to go get them, they'd be pretty cheap! Just email or pm me!

[presure2]

you guys should talk to geoff @ colt cams.
much cheaper.

[Syaoran]

you guys should talk to geoff @ colt cams.
much cheaper.

+1 WebCams is so damn expensive.

[ILoveMySilly97]

Yea cheaper but it doesn't give me the power curve I want. I want to get rid of that stupid power drop. Colt cams doesn't solve that issue in the 5sfe.

[Syaoran]

Neither do 294 Webcams. As long as the grind is the same, the results will be the same.

To get rid of the power drop past 4500 RPMs you need more aggressive cams, a better flowing intake manifold with a larger throttle body and possibly a port job on the head.

[ILoveMySilly97]

I went onto Colt's website and the 5sfe isn't listed anymore so I'll have to check on that but here's the two cams with different profiles. Both from the 5sfe. The colt makes more torque but the power curve is still similar to the stock curve. The webcams has more hp and the power curve keeps on going until close to redline.

Presure2: COLT


Batman722: WEBCAMSHAFT

[Syaoran]

Colt Cams:
- intake .311 lift, 254 degree in duration, 211 duration @.050
- exhaust .318 lift, 254 degree in duration, 211 duration @.050

Web Cams:

- lift .322 duration 244° (duration @.050) 218°

That's the reason the cams act differently. The colt cams are milder than the webcams (less lift & duration), and they are closer fitted to the stock ones. If you could get colt cams to replicate the exact specs, it'd be the same power.

The colt cams are easier to install too, because they don't do a weld and regrind for these mild grinds. They to a regrind and make up for the difference with copper shims under the bucket shims. That's the main reason why they're cheaper most likely, too.

You should talk to somebody at Colt Cams, maybe they'll do group buys as well and replicate the cams. I'd be down if the price is a lot less than the webcams most definitely, and they're easier to install too which is a plus.

[ILoveMySilly97]

Colt Cams:
- intake .311 lift, 254 degree in duration, 211 duration @.050
- exhaust .318 lift, 254 degree in duration, 211 duration @.050

Web Cams:

- lift .322 duration 244° (duration @.050) 218°

That's the reason the cams act differently. The colt cams are milder than the webcams (less lift & duration), and they are closer fitted to the stock ones. If you could get colt cams to replicate the exact specs, it'd be the same power.

The colt cams are easier to install too, because they don't do a weld and regrind for these mild grinds. They to a regrind and make up for the difference with copper shims under the bucket shims. That's the main reason why they're cheaper most likely, too.

You should talk to somebody at Colt Cams, maybe they'll do group buys as well and replicate the cams. I'd be down if the price is a lot less than the webcams most definitely, and they're easier to install too which is a plus.

So wouldn't it be easier with the webcams? All you do is drop the cams in and measure valve clearance and replace the shims back into spec?

[Syaoran]

Web Cams most of the time require replacing several shims. Colt Cams on the other hand, since only a regrind is done, the clearances are mostly left untouched. You might have to replace one or two shims. Web Cams could require replacing all of them if you're not lucky at all.

[ILoveMySilly97]

Web Cams most of the time require replacing several shims. Colt Cams on the other hand, since only a regrind is done, the clearances are mostly left untouched. You might have to replace one or two shims. Web Cams could require replacing all of them if you're not lucky at all.

If its just a regrind then wouldn't it not have as much lift as the hardweld/regrind? All you can really get from regrind is more duration. Thats my guess at least.

[Syaoran]

Web Cams most of the time require replacing several shims. Colt Cams on the other hand, since only a regrind is done, the clearances are mostly left untouched. You might have to replace one or two shims. Web Cams could require replacing all of them if you're not lucky at all.

If its just a regrind then wouldn't it not have as much lift as the hardweld/regrind? All you can really get from regrind is more duration. Thats my guess at least.

Welding to regrind allows them to do a larger cam (more aggressive) overall. Their regrind-only procedure cuts into the stock base circle, but they make up for the difference with the spacer shims. They are less aggressive but also less expensive to make.

You could talk to someone @ Colt Cams and ask to see what it would cost for a custom grind similar to the Web Cams and compare prices.

$490 is a pretty good price for Web Cams, though, but you might find them cheaper.

[Tigawoods]

emissions sheet.



first day failed the next day I passed. changed the safc settings and ran it at a higher rpm



This post has been edited by Tigawoods: May 25, 2014 - 7:49 AM

[ILoveMySilly97]

Awesome. Thanks man