Possbily looking into getting a mkIII supra Options

[ClevelandGaint]

Debating if i should purchase a mk3 supra or not, been reading the forums and gathering info for the last couple months. Now im actually searching for one that can meet the criteria i have. Any one here have any input on them, besides the whole 1-2jz - 7m swap

[sandusky1977]

Ultra cheap for a fun car,. that's what I've been thinking about, but I've been thinking it would be much more fun to go with the MR2 instead.

My two cents

[njccmd2002]

No. Get 1st gen celica

[ClevelandGaint]

Ultra cheap for a fun car,. that's what I've been thinking about, but I've been thinking it would be much more fun to go with the MR2 instead.

My two cents

Mr2 are tad too small for my liking, but i respect them

No. Get 1st gen celica

If i could find another 1st gen celica that isnt rusted to hell, or completely hacked up i would in a heartbeat. I have my eyes set on a 74 and 78 that are in the next town over, just waiting for the guys divorce to get rolling because he has to liquidate his assets

[Box]

Way to copy me.

[ClevelandGaint]

Way to copy me.

Lol yup was my main goal this whole time hahah

[NgoFcukinWay]

If it's a 7M, redo the headgasket if it hasn't been done already. If it has been, double-check it anyways depends on who you bought it from. lol. Other than that, they're a comfortable GT car. If you get a turbo model, be sure not to total out that car, but if you do, hold onto that R154 transmission for dear life. They're starting to fetch a pretty penny. Other than that, they're like any other 20+ year old car. Supramania has a lot of good info; just use the search function.

[Box]

Yep, it's a good time to do timing and water pump as well. Just make sure you torque the head-gasket down to the new spec. Get that out of the way and with general maintenance they're reliable engines. One thing is if you could find one with a bad engine you can swap in a 2JZ for cheap enough from a wrecked GS/SC300.

[NgoFcukinWay]

or go 1JZ-GTE VVTi. Cheaper option with good power and you'll still get awesome gas mileage. lol

[Box]

How is that cheaper? Can go to any junk yard in America and can find a 2JZ. Most people end up going single turbo anyhow for big power, so making a NA-T is a viable option should the 225hp not do it for you.

This post has been edited by Box: May 7, 2014 - 11:52 PM

[njccmd2002]

http://northmiss.craigslist.org/cto/4389144879.html

[Box]

One advantage of the MKII is weight, but the MKIII looks so much better. If I wanted something on the lighter side the first generation Celica liftback would be the way to go.

[NgoFcukinWay]

How is that cheaper? Can go to any junk yard in America and can find a 2JZ. Most people end up going single turbo anyhow for big power, so making a NA-T is a viable option should the 225hp not do it for you.

It's cheaper compared to going 2JZ-GTE and even going NA-T with a GE. You can find a 2JZ-GE in any yard, but not the GTE. I haven't seen many yards let a motor go for less than $700-800 average though. :\ For a few bucks more, you can get a 1JZ VVTi, get Tweak'd to make a harness, swap oil pans, get the right bellhousing & clutch set-up, and go crazy. Also a plus to going the GTE route, you get stronger internals than you do with a GE. That's just me though. I'm not really fond of doing the NA-T route. A friend of mine is doing a 1JZ VVTi swap into his SC, so I'm waiting to see how that is compared to my 2JZ VVTi.

[ClevelandGaint]

http://northmiss.craigslist.org/cto/4389144879.html

Nice car, but hate that color for some odd reason, I found a guy in ohio who has a 88 with out the all rust for 2500, not too bad, either way I go Im ripping out the motor and redoing the gaskets, seals, timing belt, water pump and what else looks like it needs to be done, since its a 20+ yr old car. But loving all the feed back, im looking into the 1jz swap right now if I can find a decent motor to start up with.

[Box]

Then your yards suck, the ones near me sell per cylinder. So a 70's Ford V8 costs just as much as a 00's BMW V8. I don't see the point in the 1JZ, might as well go 2JZ. That'd be like using a 5M instead of a 7M. Or in American a 305 instead of a 350. The 2JZ-GE internals are strong enough for anything you'd want on the street. Though honestly if going through the trouble of swapping I'd just go the 1UZ route as it weighs less and moves the center of gravity towards the center of the car. Plenty of potential if the 250-300 hp isn't enough for you.

[ClevelandGaint]

Then your yards suck, the ones near me sell per cylinder. So a 70's Ford V8 costs just as much as a 00's BMW V8. I don't see the point in the 1JZ, might as well go 2JZ. That'd be like using a 5M instead of a 7M. Or in American a 305 instead of a 350. The 2JZ-GE internals are strong enough for anything you'd want on the street. Though honestly if going through the trouble of swapping I'd just go the 1UZ route as it weighs less and moves the center of gravity towards the center of the car. Plenty of potential if the 250-300 hp isn't enough for you.

Yeah my yards sell the same as your does, per cylinder. Sorry meant 2jz lol was looking up 1jz vs 2jz, what cars came with 1UZ

[Box]

GS/LS/SC 400 did. Though you need the SC400 oil sump assembly and pan for use in the Supra. Then it's just a matter of bell housing adapter, flywheel, and clutch kit. Then lots of fun wiring.

[SupraKid]

If you get a mkiii, and want it to be reliable and turbo. Throw the POS 7mgte in the trash.

[ClevelandGaint]

If you get a mkiii, and want it to be reliable and turbo. Throw the POS 7mgte in the trash.

I will keep that in mind, the search continues

[Box]

People are harder on the 7M than they should be. If you get to it before the head-gasket blows and replace it and tighten to the new spec you'll be fine. Which if you intend on going with a JZ swap then buy an '89-92 to make life a little easier.

[Zake]

The problem with boosting the na 2jz is that you won't be able to push it the same as the gte since the internals aren't forged. (Granted this is what I read when I was 16.. 8 years ago. So you may want to check that before taking my word on it)

[Box]

The difference is that the GTE has recessed piston tops to lower compresion, oil squirters, and the head is slightly different. Can get more than you'd ever need for the street out of it.

[SupraKid]

The issue that needs to be addressed is changing the HG to a TT HG with ARP studs. Then sorting out the manifolds and all the other BS.

[njccmd2002]

i insist...

[Box]

^That with a LS1 and T-56 would be lots of fun.

[njccmd2002]

why whould you have to ruin the car. ls1 belong in other cars, not a 1st gen celica. those are classic cars, from the early japanese era. that car needs to have a 18rg or a 2tg. At very best a 3tgte, but those are hard to find. but a ford or chevy engine does not belong there, its heresy..

[Box]

The LS1 belongs in everything. It goes into classic Z cars, RX7's, anything domestic, 240SX's, Supras, etc... It's not like it's a 2000GT. Anyhow I'm sure you'd agree that it'd be better for it to live on with a LS1 than to sit in a field and rot. Even can keep with the same brand and use a 1UZ-FE and R154 or V60. If I were to acquire one that'd be the route I'd take, I'm giving the car a new life so I should be able to give it the life I want. If it's a numbers matching all original car, then yes keep it original. But if it's incomplete or the original drive-train is missing or beyond saving then do whatever you see fit.

[njccmd2002]

LS1 is not toyota. Sorry, im a purist. People use them, sure yes, i dont care. It is still a heresy.

[Box]

1UZ then. I wouldn't mind a nice original example, but if I'm having to rebuild it and swap the drive-train anyway it's getting some power added to it. Ooh, I could get a first or third gen Celica... The second is just ugly, so it's out by default.

[1994Celica]

I agree with njccmd2002. The LS1 is a great engine but I don't want it in my Celica. If I ever build a first gen I would do a blacktop beams swap.

[Box]

I agree with njccmd2002. The LS1 is a great engine but I don't want it in my Celica. If I ever build a first gen I would do a blacktop beams swap.

Still heresy in his book.

[njccmd2002]

nope, it would be ok, it wont be period correct, but it would be ok.... lol....

[Box]

What's wrong with the 1UZ then?

[BonzaiCelica]

LS1 is not toyota. Sorry, im a purist. People use them, sure yes, i dont care. It is still a heresy.

yes stick with toyota engine swap at best. no whitewashing it with american muscle no matter how fast it will be afterward

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 21, 2014 - 7:58 PM