FS: Group Buy for Custom Ring and Pinion on S54 Transmission, PRICING inside! Options

[BonzaiCelica]

This is for the S54 transmission! This is only useful for those with a 3rd or 4th Gen 3SGE motor. For those increasing their rpm ceiling and making power in the 7600-8000 rpm range with vvt-i enable cat cams and standalone ecu is perfect because the stock 4.176 ratio is too long when tuning the engine for the higher rev range......

Finally after over a year of waiting. the day has come!!! v

MFactory is the Manufacture and sister company of syncrotech. Mfactory said we need 15 people in order to make this batch. Please share this with others at local track events because we need to hit our goal of 15 people.

I will be taking deposit of $475 from everyone before we place our order through PayPal. Mfactory told me we they would like the payment by 7/12/2018, but they could possible extend it for us.


Increase in torque from 4.176 - 4.9 is 18.11%

4.900 final drive in your s54 transmission will gain 27 ft lb torque + 152 = 179 ft lb tq


Prices as follows :

$575 shipped USA

$660 Shipped International



here is mfactory gear speed calculator

http://www.teammfactory.com/calculator

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jun 1, 2018 - 7:04 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

these are the people i have so Far:

El Tiburon Negro (6gc) = Confirmed
SLOWST204 (6gc) = Confirmed
Tigawoods (6gc) = Confirmed
Charley Rouane (from MR20C and Facebook) = Confirmed
Sir_smeghed (Australia) = Confirmed
Yotoko (France) = Confirmed
abflug(Belgium) = Confirmed
Ethan Flowe (Facebook) = Confirmed

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 21, 2018 - 10:16 AM

[alwayzsidewayz]

Interested too

[BonzaiCelica]

i have already found a company and at $700 i don't think it'll get any cheaper than that!

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jan 30, 2018 - 8:51 PM

[a2daj1]

Would like to know the quote first!

[BonzaiCelica]

Useless information

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Oct 15, 2017 - 3:43 AM

[Tigawoods]

but straight cuts are harsher in shifting I believe. as well as not as long life as helical. I used to read up on all that a while ago. basically forgot all of it lol

[BonzaiCelica]

the guys below in the comment section say it doesnt affect shifting. they say its cheaper to make as well and it any failure it wont affect any other parts inside transmission. rather than the typical helical gear design found in almost all mass produced transmissions.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-advant...ight-cut-gears/

[sir_smeghed]

Whoa! Sign me up for a 5.1.......

Please tell me I'm not too late?

[BonzaiCelica]

You have been added to list. Ill update info on suppliers as soon as possible

[sir_smeghed]

.

This post has been edited by sir_smeghed: Jul 8, 2017 - 4:53 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

not that it matters to some of you, but straight cut final drive install should be happening this weekend. stay tuned

[Yotoko]

Hello, i'm a friend of Charley, i'm interested too for a 5.1
If you haven't finish yet the install, could you take some pics of the montage plz ?

Thx !

[BonzaiCelica]

information was useless here

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 10, 2018 - 7:37 PM

[Yotoko]

So you tell that we need to all chose the helical style or the straight cut or we can buy each one what we want ?
Cause for me, a straight cut is okay like it's my track car, + with the exhaust, more or less sound at this point, i dont care anymore

[abflug]

Might be interested aswell.

[BonzaiCelica]

The problem is i don't have my Transmission completely disassembled yet so taking measurements so i can get quote from USA companies isn't possible.

Im waiting on Ash to give me measurements within the next 10-12 days

[slavie]

The problem is i don't have my Transmission completely disassembled yet so taking measurements so i can get quote from USA companies isn't possible.

Im waiting on Ash to give me measurements within the next 10-12 days

What kind of measurements do you need? I have an output shaft and diff with ring laying around in the garage. I have limited tools if you need super-precise measurements - only have standard calipers and 1" micrometer.

[BonzaiCelica]

stay tuned... more info coming soon

yea....

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 10, 2018 - 7:37 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

on a side note. C and S Series Transmission share the same differential. so the ring size must be the same. mfactory offers 4.785, 4.92 and 5.15 ratios for the AE92 C52 transmission.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 16, 2018 - 6:12 PM

[sir_smeghed]

on a side note. C and S Series Transmission share the same differential. so the ring size must be the same. mfacotry offers 4.785, 4.92 and 5.15 ratios for the AE92 C52 transmission in a helical design. just sayin....

I have seen two exact same helical LSD's side by side, one with a C series ring and the other with an S series ring, while they fit on the same diff centre the offsets were different. The LSD with the S series ring sat approximately 5 mm higher than the C series.

[Yotoko]

not that it matters to some of you, but straight cut final drive install should be happening this weekend. stay tuned

Hi hi, taking some news, did you made some test ?

[BonzaiCelica]

useless info

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 10, 2018 - 7:37 PM

[sir_smeghed]

Any news?

[BonzaiCelica]

Im still waiting on him....

[sir_smeghed]

Im still waiting on him....

Watch this space! I'm curious as to how loud it will be.

[BonzaiCelica]

useless info

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 10, 2018 - 7:37 PM

[Tigawoods]

[sir_smeghed]

What timeframe are we talking about?

[abflug]

When will the order take place?

[BonzaiCelica]

in about 2 weeks...

here is a gear speed calculator :

http://www.teammfactory.com/calculator

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 10, 2018 - 9:20 PM

[Yotoko]

So, the straight cut is not a thing anymore ? and it's only 4.785 ratio ? cause i would like a 4.9/5 ratio in straight, and you say it was a thing back then
(Juste wondering)

[BonzaiCelica]

useless info

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 10, 2018 - 7:38 PM

[sir_smeghed]

So when can I buy and when will it be delivered? The 4.78 helical will do me fine and I'm pretty keen to get my hands on it.

Who is actually doing the job and where are they located?

[BonzaiCelica]

next week he promised the videos, the guys located in south africa. i know this has been a long process, but wait a little longer please...

[Tigawoods]

dont tell me what to do. i do what i want

[sir_smeghed]

I'm not going anywhere. Just pretty keen to get this thing happening.

[Yotoko]

Hi hi, Just wanted to take some news
Did he had time to make the video after all ?
I re-asking but a straight cut is possible ?

That all !

Cheers guys ! we are finnaly close

[BonzaiCelica]

the video below was for a straight cut design. which the idea has now been scrapped.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 10, 2018 - 7:39 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

Final Drive in AE101 by Justin Towers, on Flickr
Final Drive in AE101 by Justin Towers, on Flickr
Final Drive in AE101 by Justin Towers, on Flickr
Final Drive in AE101 by Justin Towers, on Flickr

4.785 Final Drive Ratio by Justin Towers, on Flickr

He is in a Corolla AE101 with full interior. he says you cannot hear any gear whining once he is at full throttle above 4,000 rpm. his short ram intake and 63mm exhaust overpower the noise coming from the transmission

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 23, 2017 - 2:55 PM

[Tigawoods]

yeah, ill never be able to hear that in my car

[BonzaiCelica]

useless info

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 10, 2018 - 7:39 PM

[sir_smeghed]

the company will be closed from December 14th to January 14th.

the ring and pinion takes 3 weeks to make a batch....

Is this for the straight cut or the helical cut sets?

[BonzaiCelica]

useless info

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 10, 2018 - 7:39 PM

[Yotoko]

Hi guys,
Taking some new, so where is it ? need to wait 2 more weeks i guess ?
And wich max speed we will have with a 4.75 ratio?

Cheer !

[BonzaiCelica]

useless info

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 10, 2018 - 7:39 PM

[abflug]

The group buy will not happen anymore?

[BonzaiCelica]

thats not what i said... i just havent heard anything from anybody since i said the company would be closed till jan 14th...

[abflug]

thats not what i said... i just havent heard anything from anybody since i said the company would be closed till jan 14th...

Ok, I'm still in.

[BonzaiCelica]

i'll more than likely buy the ring and pinion and then save it in the garage until i decide to install it for the sake of the group buy. since i started this....

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 12, 2018 - 11:24 AM

[Tigawoods]

its still a GB right? If only 3 people are interested we dont get the stated price right?

[BonzaiCelica]

im messaging the people on that list that i posted a month ago to see who's still interested. i say in about a month or so we will gather who we have and make this happen..... but i aiming for 5. just as I stated before.


This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jan 30, 2018 - 9:00 PM

[Yotoko]

Oh my bad, for me it was all set with the 4.75 ratio
Cause if i follow this, it's because i'm ****ing hell interesting !!
But if possible i would like more a 4.9 ratio but 4.75 could be good too, depend on how much max speed it will do

[BonzaiCelica]

when the time come to actually buy. i will talk to guy in south africa about your 4.9 ratio request.

[BonzaiCelica]

OEM final drives are full helical. These provide almost noise-free operation, but also are the least efficient (i.e most parasitic drivetrain loss)

Straight Cut final drives are the reverse. These are the loudest in operation, but are the most efficient (i.e least parasitic drivetrain loss)


This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 10, 2018 - 7:40 PM

[Yotoko]

And can we get a full Straight cut ? Cause tbh, to see how much my car is loud, having a full straight cut could be fun

And thx in advance for the 4.9 !

Someone saved the link to know how much max speed it will do with a 4.785 ratio on our gearbox ? Would be appreciate

After reflexion, forget the 4.9 ratio, i will take the 4.785 too

[BonzaiCelica]

bump. i edited the first page. so it might be bad or good news depending on how you use your vehicle.

[Tigawoods]

cool.

What does the 5th Gear top out at then with this?
I can imagine switching to the S51 5th with this would be a good idea

[BonzaiCelica]

on a side note. C and S Series Transmission share the same differential. so the ring size must be the same. mfactory offers 4.785, 4.92 and 5.15 ratios for the AE92 C52 transmission.

I just called and confirmed that all those 3 different ratios for the c52 transmission are helical cut from mfactory. So thats good news for us and those that strictly want a helical cut design so its not noisy.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 19, 2018 - 4:26 AM

[Yotoko]

Sound good so far for me

How much longer you will wait before deciding to make the order ?
Just for knowing a date so i can take my holidays for installing the final drive

Btw, thanks a lot Bonzai for your investiment toward us !!

[BonzaiCelica]

unfortunately i wont be able to take apart my transmission till my friend comes again in 3 weeks. once i get a quote from mfactory.I will decide on the cut off date for this group buy.

[BonzaiCelica]

useless info

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 10, 2018 - 7:40 PM

[slavie]

Deadline for this group buy will be April 16th 2018. By then I'll start to collect payment and proceed to having them made. Whether that be through the company in South Africa with straight cut gears in 4.700 ratio or through MFactory here local to me in a helical cut design.

I will have disassembled my trans and drop off my ring and pinion for MFactory to give me a quote by March 22rd. I honestly don't know how long it will take MFactory to get back to me with a quote on pricing. but im hoping 2 weeks maximum

If it helps, I have an output shaft (the one with pinion) and ring already out of transmission and disassembled from when I was doing my Frankenstein S51 final drive & 5th gear + S54 1-4 gears. I can lend it to you for free if you'd like - just throw me a deposit and cover shipping both ways. I would like to have the parts back my May, as that's when I have my LeMons race coming up and these act as my spares. Parts are not damaged or worn. I have all the other guts of the gearbox as well - stock diff, gears, etc.

[BonzaiCelica]

they are keeping the ring n pinion. i have a spare trans nonetheless

[Yotoko]

Okay, so we have the choice between a 4.7 straight cut or a helical cut, but you only send yours to MFactory, so how the company in south africa will do ? they already have the design to make one ? or you will send them the data for making it ?

Cause i'm of course interested by the straight cut and i'm wondering how they will make it

For the payment, how we will make it ? are we all gonna send 700USD or 700USD + shipping depend on where we lived ?

[BonzaiCelica]

the company will be closed from December 14th to January 14th.

the ring and pinion takes 6 weeks to make a batch from south africa....

Deadline for this group buy will be April 16th 2018. By then I'll start to collect payment and proceed to having them made. Whether that be through the company in South Africa with straight cut gears in 4.700 ratio or through MFactory here local to me in a helical cut design.

I will have disassembled my trans and drop off my ring and pinion for MFactory to give me a quote by March 22rd. I honestly don't know how long it will take MFactory to get back to me with a quote on pricing. but im hoping 2 weeks maximum

[BonzaiCelica]

Alright i have the ring n pinion on me now. Just have to press out gears off input shaft. Then drop it off at mfactory next thursday

[BonzaiCelica]

Ok so i dropped off ring n pinion at syncrotech (mfactory is a sister company) David said straight cut is not a good design and causes too much lateral force on the trans housing n causes parts to break. They know from trial and error on honda motors.

ST202 Input Shaft by Justin Towers, on Flickr

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 10, 2018 - 7:41 PM

[Yotoko]

Okay so straight cut is a bad idea

So the price for the 4.750 will be around 700$ (of course we will see the real price in 2 week or so) but if we want 4.9 or 5.1 it will cost 100$ more but it's possible ?
And it's not 6 week but 6 month to produced in the end ?

Sorry if i ask stupid question, just want to be sure i have well understood

We are close now

[BonzaiCelica]

Okay so straight cut is a bad idea

So the price for the 4.750 will be around 700$ (of course we will see the real price in 2 week or so) but if we want 4.9 or 5.1 it will cost 100$ more but it's possible ?
And it's not 6 week but 6 month to produced in the end ?

Sorry if i ask stupid question, just want to be sure i have well understood

We are close now

please be patient and lets not make any assumptions. in about 2 weeks i'll have all the info I need to make this group buy official

[BonzaiCelica]

Finally after over a year of waiting. the day has come!!! v

MFactory is the Manufacture and sister company of syncrotech. Mfactory said we need 15 people in order to make this batch. Please share this with others at local track events because we need to hit our goal of 15 people.

I will be taking deposit of $475 from everyone before we place our order through PayPal. Mfactory told me we they would like the payment by 7/12/2018, but they could possible extend it for us.


Increase in torque from 4.176 - 4.9 is 18.11%

4.900 final drive in your s54 transmission will gain 27 ft lb torque + 152 = 179 ft lb tq


Prices as follows :

$575 shipped USA

$660 Shipped International



here is mfactory gear speed calculator

http://www.teammfactory.com/calculator

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 12, 2018 - 4:22 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

updated the information about buying period..... i know some of you have been waiting a long time. and im trying to meet everyone half way. some please be patient. these kind of things take time because we con't drive honda's

[BonzaiCelica]

https://youtu.be/aGVDRrnqWBI

I even posted an ad on ebay.

[BonzaiCelica]

bump

[Yotoko]

Just to be sure, your limit payment date it's in dd/mm/yyyy or mm/dd/yyyy ?
And how many we are ? (Aka - The first page is update ?)

[BonzaiCelica]

i need to confirm again with those on the first page. but its not looking good right now...

in america its month first and then day

[BonzaiCelica]

bump!

[BonzaiCelica]

bump

[BonzaiCelica]

not sure how many of you are interested still but i'll be getting another quote from Elite Racing Transmission In UK in a few weeks. just have to measure my parts first.

also for those of you considering an E56 transmission. i have a lead on a guy in Europe who is charging 250 euros plus shipping. then all you have to do is find a final drive from a 96-2000 Rav4 with 3sfe motor. the E250 transaxle from the Front wheel drive has a 4.562 final ratio and the AWD E250F has a 4.933 ratio. its something im highly considering. although e56 is heavier it does have lines to attach external oil cooler.

[abflug]

I have decided to go with the E56 gearbox for the extra strength and a set of custom 1-5 gears.

[BonzaiCelica]

I have decided to go with the E56 gearbox for the extra strength and a set of custom 1-5 gears.

ahh good choice. let me know when your done!!!

[mi645]

E56 sucks

[Yotoko]

Did you had an answer from Elite Racing Transmission ?

[BonzaiCelica]

Did you had an answer from Elite Racing Transmission ?

no i havent received a refund for my money which will allow me to buy s54 parts, so my friend can put my transmission back together and measure the necessary parts. i thought everybody had given up on this.

[BonzaiCelica]

please close