20V 4A-GE Swap Done! Options

[Coomer]

Today, after six months and four days of waiting, my car is finally finished!

My mechanic swapped the AE101 4A-GE into the car, and it is awesome! Though I can't go fast in it yet due to having to break in the clutch, I can tell that it's going to be sweet once the clutch is broken in.

The motor itself sounds amazing. It sounds so so sweet, and will only sound better once I'm able to run the car at full throttle. I'm running just a generic filter on the end of the AFM, and for exhaust, I'm using the factory 4-2-1 header, with 2.5" crush-bent piping and no cat, and a OBX universal muffler.

As for drivability, it's very good. The light JUN flywheel took some getting used to, as you have to rev the car higher when starting from a stop, but once I got the hang of it, everything is nice. The Clutch Masters stage one clutch kit is excellent, and feels great and is not to aggressive for a street, daily-driven setup. What is really nice is how little the engine changes momentum. This is due to a solid front motor mount which hardly allows the engine to move at all. I no longer have A/C or cruise control unfortunately though.

I have a couple hundred more miles to drive to break in the clutch, and then once that's done, I'll let you guys know how the power is.

Tomorrow(Today, technically) I'll take some pictures and post them up here.

[doGGy]

Change your sign First of all. And man, im happy for ya....

[Hanyo]

Yay!!!

[Drocay]

[boosted_K2]

awesome coomer!!!!!

[SpedToe169]

Man, you should be able to break in that clutch in half a day! Drop everything you're doing and go drive EVERYWHERE you can think of!! Its worth the wait. Glad you finally got it running. If you want some ideas for intake/exhaust shoot me an email. I have lots.

[obi1kinob]

[dstrbcelica]

that's great man! we are all happy that yelli celi is back on the road again!

[celicarocker]

cruise controls is useless, and you have tons of A/C... throw down the windows awesome to hear that your car finally got done man... cant wait to see the pictures... are they giving you any compensation for the damage done to your car?

[toyotaspeed_90]

i think it's about time for a ride

[97sccelica]

AC lines probably didnt line up, or the 7a compressor wouldnt bolt up.

he can get it to work if he really wants, it will just take some more time and money

congrats coomer, have fun with the car.

[celicakid84]

awesome man...congrats and lets see those pictures.

[BigEdge169]

Good to hear Coomer, I bet it feels great to have your car back after not having it for so long.

And for the coment about not having A/C not being a big deal, try living in Texas

Hey Coomer, don't forget to add your name to engine swap sticky, that way the noobs will know all about it

This post has been edited by BigEdge169: Mar 8, 2004 - 12:04 PM

[FallenHero]

Great man, I'm glad somebody on here has finally done the swap. Break in that clutch!

Jon

[FAQdaWorld]

awesome coomer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! me and john are hopefully coming up next !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy crap that must feel so awesome to have ur celi back after so long. ENJOY MAN you deserve it!


-Ryan

[aaronc222]

Way to go. Can't wait to see some pics. First thing I'd do is take it to the dealer and ask them to diagnose an idle problem or something, then wait for the techs to lift the hood and smile.

[toyotaspeed_90]

coomer - if your 4age didn't come with a/c and you had it on your 7a-fe (and you have the compressor over here in b'ham).... i DO have a 4a-ge idler pulley w/ a/c bracket mount..... we could potentially mount it up and see if it will work or not....

i'm not 100% sure where it is on the 7a-fe, but on the 4a-ge it goes below the PS pump (which, on the 4a-ge is on exhaust side... not intake side)

btw.... once the clutch is broken in we'll have to go down chuckanut dr.... i'll go slow for you the first time so you can keep up

[ghostdog]

congrats coomer. get us some video of that beast asap.

[Supersprynt]

Congrats, now put ur name on that swapped list!

I dont have a/c or cruise either. I justify this with the fact that if you have an engine swap, why are you using cruise control! And a/c sucks power, so you dont need that either.

[Akimbo]

Coomer, I'm so happy for you. You deserve it after waiting so long for such a great project to be finished. Truely it is something to be proud of!

Now, get us lots of pics, sound clips, and video of the YelliCelli stretching her legs!

[ST-204]

Congraulaton!! Coomer.
Hope I can see ur car on May 1st Northwest Celica meeting!

[subsolo_21]

Congrat's man! I'm glad to hear you finally got your celi back. I love hearing about other ppls swaps...gives me some hope. I gotta get to class now. Enjoy ur ride.

[ToYCeLi8]

SWEEEEET Coomer CONGRATULATIONS!!

I know how it feels not to be able to drive your car for so long. Damn I hope that you can get those pics up soon. I cant wait. Now you have me wanting to take a road trip up there to see this car.

David

[x_itchy_b_x]

awesome. cant wait for the pics. to bad it took so long but its probly worth it.

[snadman]

[LadyHavoc]

WooHoo!! Congrats Coomer!!

[Consynx]

since no words can describe...

[Cormudgen]

congrats!

[Kwanza26]

Congrats Coomer. You deserve it. Should be a ton of fun... now... get it tuned up a bit... and get me some REAL 4AG 20V numbers (dyno run of pump-fuel /w octane boost, 1/4 runs... all of it!!!)... ;] I've personally driven a Blacktop 4AG powered AE86 and those little engines SCREAM. The individual throttle bodies sound sooooo sweet.... it's indescribable. Awesome work dude... and if you need help with a/c components... I too have FWD brackets and A/C pump...

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Mar 9, 2004 - 12:48 AM

[Coomer]

I'm addicted to VVT!

I just got back from driving the car, and now that the clutch is broken in, I was able to get on it, and oh man, this engine really pulls compared to the stock 7A-FE. It's pretty tame below four grand, but once you hit about 4,000 RPM it's crazy! Not only do you hear a sound that's insanely sweet, but it puts you back into your seat with the power!

Hopefully soon I'll dyno the car and run it in the 1/4 mile and see what kind of times I can pull off. I might just be hyped up, but the car feels like it could make a pass in the high 15s.

Anyway, here are some pics.

Check out that header. When I was at the gas station earlier today checking the oil, a couple guys asked me if it was DC Sports or what. When I told them it was stock, they looked pretty surprised.









Here's my new exhaust tip. I'm running the car without a cat for now, and it's crazy loud. I'm pretty sure that I'll get pulled over for it unless I do something about it.



I know, I know, I need to paint the engine bay really badly. Over spring break I'm going to tidy up the wiring and paint some stuff and clean some stuff.

[doGGy]

Nice pics Coom nice to hear that you already have the power And the header looks like the one that i hade only mine was stock 7A header ...

[94Toy]

I am drooling all over that car

[PaulGT]

very nice dude!!!! congrats.....cant wate to see some of the pics as well as the posts on how she does when shes all broken in

[YellowTwo]

That car looks soooooo nice!! Engine is clean too.

Looks like you might need to wash it too heh....

[saleeka]

nice! Happy to hear your baby is back, coomer. I was just checking out the info from the engine swaps thread on the 4a-ge and it says 1.6 there, and your "silver top" reads twin cam 2.0? huh? im confused now lol...

EDIT- 20 as in 20 valve.... im just slow

This post has been edited by saleeka: Mar 9, 2004 - 2:27 AM

[Kwanza26]

[macavely]

damn look really sweet...makes me want to do a swap now...

[toyotaspeed_90]

& it's fun to ride in

[0Re0]

Congrats!!!

[boosted_K2]

lookin sweet coomer.

so the real question, how big is the margin between the 7a and the 20v 4a??

[dstrbcelica]

amazing...

[NEVERSTOP]

Looks really nice - congrats coomer!

[kuya1284]

Congrats Chris. Feels good, don't it? I'm REALLY REALLY happy for you bud! Now all we need is a West Coast Celi meet.

[ToYCeLi8]

[toyotaspeed_90]

CC (http://www.corollacustomz.com) has a "NW chapter" (more like just a bunch of us who haven't actually started a chapter, per say) will be holding yet another NW Toyota meet.... last time we invited SEVERAL toyota boards (CC, corolla-racing, club4ag, mr2 pages, supra pages, and some old school sites).... coomer was actually there (didn't have his car, though)... and it was a good turnout (like 30 odd cars)... not bad on a rainy day!

we will be holding another one this summer.... we're thinking either just another show type meet, or possibly going to a shop with a dyno and having a dyno/show type meet.....

[sphinx]

wow.

I want to attend. I want to get my car dyno'ed anyways.

[Coomer]

You know I'm down for sure. I'd love to go.

[Defgeph]

congrats coomer !
did you still have to pay for the swap ?
good luck

defgeph

[brianforster]

did you get any discounts for the delay?

what about the paint damage?


looks great man, post a sound clip!

[snadman]

Only high 15s?

[Kwanza26]

[PaulGT]

high 15's thats what im getting now..... with my GT

[Digndoug]

hey commer, i have a question, you might have answered it somewhere, but why did you go with the 4a swap compared to the 3s-gte.. i mean about the same hassle, and around the same cost right?? well the 3s might have been sorter time.. but the 3s has alot more power.. i mean shouldnt the 3s-gte run about 14 stock or so?? an your's your hoping to run mid 15's... seems like a hella lot of work for only that kinda speed... an i know i know... these arnt track cars but every one likes to take off real fast...

[Kwanza26]

[snadman]

I think he just wanted something a bit more able-bodied than the 7AFE with more potential...and also to be unique in doing a swap not too many 6gc owners have tried.

[FallenHero]

What was the final swap cost?

[Chrobis]

Actually Coomer swapped the 4A-GE because his parents wouldn't let him have turbo, if you read the "feasible engine swaps" thread, written by coomer, he says the 3S is the engine to swap, bottom line. Unless you have other restrictions.

I get to have a 3S-GTE because my parents dont know anything about cars... otherwise I probably wouldnt get turbo either.

[Coomer]

I did still have to pay for the swap. The labor, along with more parts, including the belts(alternator and accessory), MSD Blaster coil, air filter and piping and hose couplers and clamps, oil, oil filters, tranny oil, external power steering reservoir, and a bunch of other stuff costed me $800.

The main reason why I went 4A-GE rather than 3S-GTE was because of my parents and my insurance situation. They pay for my insurance, and since the insurance we have doesn't allow anything with forced induction, my parents wouldn't insure me if I got the 3S-GTE or 4A-GZE. And before the "You just could have just not told them." comes up, they would've found out one way or another. It's really scary how much they find out about my friends and I.

And if I had the 3S-GTE, I seriously think that I'd get in so much trouble. I'm already getting crazy with the 4A-GE, but if I get one more ticket, I'm pretty sure that I'll get dropped from insurance, which would not be good.

Also, I absolutely love the AE101 4A-GE. Not only is the sound really sweet, but after 4,000 RPM, the car just takes off with what feels like a lot of power. I couldn't even imagine riding in a sixth generation Celica with a 3S-GTE.

It's probably just me, but my car feels faster than the two third generation Integra GS-Rs that I've driven, and they're supposed to be pretty quick, so I'll see how I do on the track sometime soon hopefully.

And maybe over spring break I can get a video together for you guys to enjoy.

As far as final swap cost, it's right around $2,500.

[DmVinny]

$2500 isnt bad at all, but 6 month wait kinda sucks.

[Chrobis]

wow, for all the belts, coolant, tranny fluid, seals, oil, oil filter etc etc I'm paying 2,200... Damn good deal even if they did take months to do it. And the 2,200 dosnt even include exhaust piping or the IC I need to get.

[Chrobis]

And as for a meet, with more and more West coast celi's with decent engines swapped in the meet is definitly something we need to get together! We really should start making plans.

edit: actually I'll start a thread, if you could sticky it coomer that would be great!

This post has been edited by Chrobis: Mar 10, 2004 - 12:42 PM

[Supersprynt]

What year is the motor? Looks shiny new.

[Coomer]

[snadman]

[toyotaspeed_90]

hey coomer.... i probably should have said this earlier.... but since the motor is used and you really don't know how long ago it was last used, or how many miles (realistically)..... it would be a good idea to do at least an oil change around 500 miles after the motor was put in....

just to be safe i did it on mine at 500 miles, and will be doing it again at 1,000 today...... me picking up the stuff just reminded me you ought to know

[Kwanza26]

[Xpander]

Congrats Coomer! You really deserve it. I'm glad there is another 4AGE 20v powered Celica on the board. Like I've always said... to bad you're on the other side of the country.

Colin

[Coomer]

[Four]

hey coomer in about 2 weeks, we need to meet and u can ride in my 6th gen with a 3sgte. and id love to see your 4age swapped celica.

[Coomer]

[toyotaspeed_90]