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 Mar 15, 2004 - 2:39 PM
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ok after reading all of the completed swaps. no one ever mentioned having to move the ac and cruise control and i thought this was a problem. does the ac need to be moved with high pressure lines? and does the cruise control need to be mounted elsewhere? thanks
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Mar 15, 2004 - 4:18 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Lake Orion, MI Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
No and No... the AC may or may not work... we'll find out shortly...
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mjcoury@gmail.com Team Reynolds Style Celica Blog Celica Wiki It will take him a moment to realize that he's about to make a 180 degree turn at speed, but you will be ready for it. Brace for the g's, and fast heel-toe work. |
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Mar 15, 2004 - 7:46 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 8, '03 From San Jose, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
AC doesn't work on mine anymore. Not sure why though, gotta look into it more.
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Mar 16, 2004 - 2:35 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
Mike (qatar) is trying to see if my A/C will work after my swap. A lot of people started the swap with non functioning A/C as it was, or did not want to include the A/C. The cruise control works on David's (ToYCeLi8) car.
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Mar 16, 2004 - 9:23 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 25, '03 From cranston RI Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
when you have that kind of power/speed, you dont want to just cruise... and throw down the windows, all that power/speed will give you a nice breeze
 but whats it matter anyway? if someone would rather have AC/Cruise over a 3S-GTE, then they have a mental deficency...
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Mar 16, 2004 - 12:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Lake Orion, MI Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
Yes true but most of us are stuck with this as our daily driver and boy it gets MUGGGGY 
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mjcoury@gmail.com Team Reynolds Style Celica Blog Celica Wiki It will take him a moment to realize that he's about to make a 180 degree turn at speed, but you will be ready for it. Brace for the g's, and fast heel-toe work. |
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Mar 16, 2004 - 12:23 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 10, '03 From South Central Los Angeles Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
never had cruise control and i never used my A/C.
So it works out perfect for me =) |
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Mar 16, 2004 - 12:24 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I don't think anyone would rather have AC/Cruise over a 3S-GTE... BUT there's nothing wrong with having both. 1. A/C is good for people who live in EXTREMELY hot regions. 2. Cruise would be good for people who drive long distances. Keep in mind that you're not gonna be racing or boosting ever second that you hit the round. Whoever does do TRY to race every second they hit the road has a mental deficiency. This post has been edited by kuya1284: Mar 16, 2004 - 12:25 PM |
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Mar 16, 2004 - 1:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 10, '03 From South Central Los Angeles Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
is that really a bad thing? not saying that I do that, of course. |
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Mar 16, 2004 - 1:54 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I would have to say yes... it is a bad thing... especially if you're driving in traffic, in a residential area, etc. If I was still 16... I would say no. But now that I'm 26 and have been into accidents (mind you, ALL NOT MY FAULT), I don't go out instigating. When I was 20, I got into a really bad accident because some STUPID 16 year old kid, with his 10 year old brother, rear ended me causing my ex-gf and I to get serious whiplash. I really don't know what possessed him to drive SO FREAKIN FAST in stop and go traffic. Fortunately, I left enough distance b/w the car in front of me... so I didn't hit the person. But to this day, I still feel the effects of that accident. The amount of money I won from the accident doesn't even make up for the pain that I feel from time to time. (I still can't believe that kid tried to accuse me of cutting him off and slamming on my breaks!! *sigh*) So to answer your question again... yes... it is a bad thing to TRY racing (errr... driving wrecklessly) every second one hits the road. This post has been edited by kuya1284: Mar 16, 2004 - 1:55 PM |
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Mar 16, 2004 - 2:25 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 10, '03 From South Central Los Angeles Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i've been in plenty of accidents. (none my fault either) they tried to accuse me of slamming into them, changing lanes into them, goin too fast, ect... It dont work. I always take great pictures, have witnesses, and have a great lawyer.(personal friend)
The last accident, some lady was on my left and tried to cut me off real quick to get into a parking lot. I was driving at arround 35-40 when she sped up and drove accross me to get in the parking lot. I hit the break, and she slammed me on my driver side and onto the curb making my car break a bus stop. i swear, i felt like !@#$ for about 4 months, and still feel messed up once in a while. My car was completely ruined. i got a lot of money, but still not enough for everything i went through. One good thing is that there was nobody at the bus stop at the moment. so i agree with you when you say, dont drive like a freeking moron or idiot on the street. That goes for young kids, or whatever age you may be. A car can also be considered weapon, so use it responsibly. sorry, i talk too much o_0 This post has been edited by sphinx: Mar 16, 2004 - 2:28 PM |
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Mar 16, 2004 - 3:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yeah... LA drivers suck... Looks like we've been through the same crap. Your last accident sounds very similar to my second-to-the-last accident. I hit this one chick as she was making an UNSAFE left-turn... I broke her axles and I messed up my front end. This happened several years ago. I'm just glad she didn't try to argue with me as to whose fault it was. |
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Mar 16, 2004 - 6:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 18, '02 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Personally, I don't think I would want a car in Texas without A/C. I guess I'll have to side with the 7afe over the 3sgte for now as long as the Celica is the daily driver.
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Mar 16, 2004 - 9:53 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 2, '04 From Louisiana, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
I live in Louisiana, and A/C is a must with the heat and humidity here. It'd be worth having (or making) some custom refrigerant lines, if that's even a possibility.
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Mar 16, 2004 - 10:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
couldnt you just hook up a toggle switch to the A/C and run it that way>? you wouldnt have the temp setting etc but at least there would be air
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Mar 17, 2004 - 8:59 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 10, '03 From FL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the 3sgte is coming. but i lve in FL and this summer it would be nice to have some ac.
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Mar 17, 2004 - 9:41 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '03 From San Jose, CA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
mike is telling me it shouldnt be a problem, you just use the GT compressor.
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Mar 17, 2004 - 10:23 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Lake Orion, MI Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
Its not really about the hardware, the compressor, or AC lines and what not.
its that the ECU is controlling the A/C and making sure that the ECU gets all the right information and is happy.... and since we are jumping evolutions in the toyota wiring system.. (i.e. 90-93 to now 94-98) there are a few differences. -------------------- -Mike
mjcoury@gmail.com Team Reynolds Style Celica Blog Celica Wiki It will take him a moment to realize that he's about to make a 180 degree turn at speed, but you will be ready for it. Brace for the g's, and fast heel-toe work. |
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Mar 17, 2004 - 5:53 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '03 From Miami, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
My ac works... they used 3 different ac compressors , mine being one of them, to build it... its cold , no complaints
my cruise control: well no one before me gave a **** about cruise control, so they didnt have experience doing that, but the guy with a gt-4 conversion has his cruise control working... Mina |
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Mar 21, 2004 - 5:14 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
What kind of joker would want cruise control with a 3sgte engine??!! AC on the other hand is a different matter. its cold in england but even when it gets up to 75 degF it gets damn hot in the car
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Mar 22, 2004 - 1:41 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
All you people laughing about Cruise Control are idiots. You all act as if the car would be used STRICTLY for racing. However, you fail to realize that there are people who still use the car as a DAILY DRIVER. These same people have to COMMUTE to work on a DAILY basis, and in some cases 80+ miles. What's wrong with having a 3S-GTE powered car with cruise control? When driving long distances, I find it convenient in MANY situations to use CC when I start to get tired. Again, the keyword here is DAILY. 
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Mar 22, 2004 - 5:27 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '03 From Miami, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i use it whenever i see a cop... set it on the speed limit and relax... daily commutes dont seem to take long with a 3s... with a 3SGTE all trips seem shorter... and your gas tank empties quikly...
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Mar 22, 2004 - 5:46 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
which is what I'm trying to avoid... considering our highest octane here is 91, and sells for roughly $2.50 / gal now. EDIT: There are gas stations that sell race fuel.. but that doesn't count... lol This post has been edited by kuya1284: Mar 22, 2004 - 5:47 AM |
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Mar 22, 2004 - 7:00 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 26, '04 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
even when you're driving conservatively? how many km's do u get with a full tank? |
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Mar 22, 2004 - 8:14 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
this is the difference between american mentality and european. if you put cruise control in an engine like that you destroy what i was intended for, i mean how difficult is it to leave your foot on the accelerator? i drive 60 miles a day, its not difficult, just lazy. Same as putting an automatic in a vtec engine so u never get into the powerband. whats the point? -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!
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Mar 22, 2004 - 8:23 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 10, '03 From FL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i started this topic and i agree with kuya 100%. i mean i want my car to be comfortable because im not gonna be haulin' ass everywhere all the time. i live in FL, i have black leather. say me and my g/f go to get in my car shes gonna want some ac. when i have to drive to college next year, im gonna want my cruise control. people with corvettes have cruise control and AC and their cars are fast. your making no sense by saying that just because its a fast engine that these two things are unnesesary.
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Mar 22, 2004 - 8:43 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
our standard petrol (95 ron) is £3.30 a gallon= $5.5 This post has been edited by uzthedentist: Mar 22, 2004 - 8:43 AM -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!
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Mar 22, 2004 - 9:37 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 23, '03 From Florida Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yeah I heard down here in FL gas will be going up to about $3 a gallon... looks like ima join the v8's in a race to the gas station... damn now i cant abuse my friends..
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Mar 22, 2004 - 12:25 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Dude... how are you destroying what the engine was intended for by having CC? That does not make sense. Seriously, what's wrong with having BOTH? NOTHING. If you go on a long 8 hour trip, it wouldn't hurt having cruise control. When you feel like racing, just don't use it. It's as SIMPLE as that. There are absolutely NO DISADVANTAGES to having both at the same time.
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Mar 22, 2004 - 12:27 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
When I drive hard, I get about 250 to 280 miles on a full tank. When I drive conservatively, I get about 380 to 400. |
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Mar 22, 2004 - 1:05 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '03 From Miami, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
When I drive conservatively i get about 20-25 to a gallong, but that goes down to like 10-15 when i drive hard... as for cruise control, its more of a toy i play with ... not something for long trips... the gt-4 came with cruise control, why not the swapped cars here...its just another feature like a sunroof , or navigation or whatever. the highest ive seen gas in miami was 93 octane for 2.10 but it seems to be going down and up..
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Mar 22, 2004 - 1:12 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the gt4/mr2 turbo was not designed for 6 hour trips on long straight roads. not saying it cant do it but if i was going on a trip where i needed 6 hours of cruise control id take a comfortable rental, not a sports car 2 cents deposited  edit
eh? Ive only ever heard of one gt4 in this country having cruise control. an st185 This post has been edited by uzthedentist: Mar 22, 2004 - 1:15 PM -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!
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Mar 22, 2004 - 2:33 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Being in a respectable car club here in Southern California, we represent at shows all throughout California. Our next show is in Northern California, which is about 7 hours away. I'd OBVIOUSLY have to drive my car up there to show it, correct? If there was a big meet in NorCal or anywhere else that is over 6 hours away, I'd still drive my car. Again, there really is NO argument here and there are absolutely no disadvantages to having a car with both a 3SGTE and cruise control. If you still disagree, then you have issues. It's not like I would you my cruise control on the 1/4 mile track. LOL.
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Mar 22, 2004 - 3:30 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
thats fair enough but how many trips like that do you make?? 4 times a year maybe? i do have issues because when i go to buy a SPORTS CAR i dont look at the spec list and say, wow i must buy this cos it has abs, automatic transmission, airbags, air con, ebd and cruise control. If you do then your idea of a sports car is different to mine.
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Mar 22, 2004 - 3:46 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
OK, so if a car came with both... would you ask the dealer to dismantle the unit because you feel that a sports car should not come equiped with these extra features? If a sports car came equiped with all these extra features, I wouldn't complain. I'd just enjoy the car and take it for what it is and if you don't want to use the those extra features, then just don't use them. *sigh* It's as SIMPLE as that. This post has been edited by kuya1284: Mar 22, 2004 - 4:18 PM |
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Mar 22, 2004 - 4:00 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I dont know about you guys but when i've been driving for along time my leg starts to get tired...putting the cc on makes it so much easier to stay in the car longer. When my swap gets finished I'm definately going to get the A/C and CC working. Why wouldn't you have those things? If someone got in your car that didnt know anything about cars and they were like..."dude, why dont you have CC or A/C?" If you told them that to have this specific engine you had to give up those things...they would think you were CRAZY!
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Mar 22, 2004 - 4:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
true sports cars dont come with these features. the lotus elise released soon in the us is an example of this. Theyve had to add many more comfort car features otherwise you guys wouldnt buy it. comfort is a compromise in most cases. nowadays you pay more for the manufacturer to return the car back to a race car from a tourer. the porsche gt3 rs is a case in point, as is the honda nsx type r. Imagine someone going into a ferrari garage asking for cruise control, it would be extremely stupid. it all boils down to what you want in a car. If you want a bit more pep thats fine, then you can keep all the creature comforts. But if you want a car that drives fast, brakes well and handles well then unless you're planning to buy a merc mclaren sl with millions of dollars of RnD then you wouldnt keep these things in your car.
your answer to that is : because i drive a sports car dammit! funny cos over here if someone did a 3sgte conversion over here it would be 'dude, why havent you got 4wd??' at the end of the day i understand your argument, doesnt mean i have to agree. My gt4 serves the purpose of taking me places. I control it and it knows that lol! why would i want to hand over control to electronics of a job i can do perfectly well myself. this country is made up of many corners wheras you guys have many straight long roads. thats probably the reason you love cc so much -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!
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Mar 22, 2004 - 5:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Well Mr. Sports Car Enthusiast... if you consider yourself a TRUE Sports Car enthusiasts, what the hell are you doing with a Toyota? You're comparing apples and oranges my friend. Let's bring it back down a notch to the level of sports cars we've been discussing. I've seen an MR2, Supra, 300Z, RX7, Viper (older models), Corvette, and the NSX all with cruise control. Does that make them FAKE sports cars just because they come equiped with all these extra features? If you feel that these aren't true sports cars, then your GT-FOUR would be considered just as fake as your comments. EDIT: And stop TRYING to make an issue out of nothing. Now you're bringing up TRUE sports cars into this topic when you don't even drive a TRUE sports car (according to YOUR standards)... which is making this whole thing go off-topic. If someone wants these extra features, that's their peragotive. There really is no sense dragging this on. This post has been edited by kuya1284: Mar 22, 2004 - 5:10 PM |
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Mar 22, 2004 - 5:20 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 10, '03 From South Central Los Angeles Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I love my celica.
dont know if that matters, but i really do. And she's a beast to top it off. And she gets better and better every day. Now, as for the CC, my car was not equiped with one. But if you think about it, I live in Los Angeles. I'm in traffic 24/7. So i really would'nt use it here. But kuya is right. For long trips, i sure as hell would'nt mind giving my legs a break. But i guess i got used to it already. That probably explains why my legs are getting muscular. |
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Mar 22, 2004 - 6:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
right then ill look out for the next rally when moya says to carlos
"Left over crest 200, tightens. Right 4, don't cut. Long straight bit, hey, put her on cruise......"* -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!
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Mar 22, 2004 - 6:34 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Again... apples and oranges... this is getting old... *yawn* |
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Mar 22, 2004 - 7:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah that was a pretty useless example. This post has been edited by Doge: Mar 22, 2004 - 7:38 PM |
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