 whats better? 3S-GTE swap or 5S-FE turbo kit, need some opinions |
 Apr 14, 2004 - 6:34 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Apr 12, '04 From Nj Team 6gc Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
what does everyone think? overall wise that is
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Apr 14, 2004 - 6:38 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
U get more power from 3SGTE. But it comes down to preference IMO.
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Apr 16, 2004 - 10:46 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 21, '03 From Houston, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
It really matters how many miles you have on your motor, me i cant turbo mine its to old, if i did turbo charge mine it would be really good the first time but thats all i would get it would blow my motor.
besides you will get FAR FAR more HP for a 3sgte |
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Apr 17, 2004 - 6:36 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '04 From United Kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I am biased but you'll also get out of the box reliability from the 3S-GTE.
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Apr 17, 2004 - 6:54 AM
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 Moderator Joined Oct 1, '02 From fall river, ma Currently Offline Reputation: 13 (100%) |
a 5sfte will not be as reliable as a 3sgte.
-------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Apr 17, 2004 - 9:07 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
With a proper 5sfTe setup it will beat a stock 3sgte psi for psi.
With that said a built 3sgte can create alot of Hp also. If you have the money and time the BEST setup you can do it the 5sgTe. 5sfe bottom end (Built for boost) and a p&p'ed race preped 3sgte head. A setup like this will create a stroked 2.2l 3sgte. Look forward to spending close to 5k to get it all running smooth. -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Apr 17, 2004 - 9:10 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jul 12, '03 From Chatham, Ont Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You sure about that??A highbred 5s might have more power psi for psi, but stock I doubt it..
Besides a 3sgte can handle more psi without modification. 3sgte is more practical. This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Apr 17, 2004 - 9:12 PM |
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Apr 17, 2004 - 9:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
Thats why I said "proper" 5sfTe and "Stock" 3sgte.
The 5sfTe is a torgue monster and laydown (Proven by Mike dodson) 200hp and 238tq to the wheels with only 9psi. The 3sgte puts at the crank 200hp 200tq running the stock 12psi. -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Apr 17, 2004 - 9:40 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 12, '03 From Chatham, Ont Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Nice, it just sounds wrong I guess  Do you know more about mikes setup? Like did he do alot internal and head work and what not or is it just basically the turbo?
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Apr 17, 2004 - 9:52 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
Where did you get those numbers? Stock 3s's are about 8-9psi. Depending on the ecu they range from 200 to 225. 12psi is around 250 at the crank of a JDM 3s and 225 with US spec. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Apr 17, 2004 - 9:54 PM -------------------- |
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Apr 17, 2004 - 10:31 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '02 From Webster Ma. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
so far my 5sfte is very reliable. 600 miles now.
power wise its good to. untuned and stuff it feels so quick. once i get money to get it dynoed and run 2.5 - 3" turbo back exhaust system with high flow cat. it should see significant gains. im running 8psi (stock 3sgte wastgate) -------------------- |
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Apr 18, 2004 - 7:21 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
I thought the 3s's were stock at 12psi. You know alot more about them than I so I stand down on that remark. Fuel cut at 12? I sware 12psi has something to do with the 3sgte. -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Apr 18, 2004 - 8:43 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
First of all, i think every oe is forgetting why the 3s is so much better. The one an only point you need, is that the fact the 3s was made for boost. Its going to handle it. Turboing a engine thats not made for it, sorry guys , but its just stupid really, unless your going to replace your internals.
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Apr 18, 2004 - 9:15 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From ny to philly Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I wouldn't say its stupid. really depends how much power you want out of it. but generally yes, all things considered a factory turbo engine is a smarter choice. |
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Apr 19, 2004 - 5:43 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 12, '04 From Nj Team 6gc Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
thanks for all the input.. its still quite a hard decision due to all the different responses ive gotten but i will come to my conclusion soon and will get back to yall when i do
-------------------- Team 6gc 2oo5
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Apr 19, 2004 - 6:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '04 From United Kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The stock 3rd Generation 3S-GTE as fitted to the ST205 produces 255 BHP, but the chargecooler helps with that so would be needed to replicate the figures.
Personally I would go with the 3S-GTE its reliable as standard and there are many many high power units out there. |
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Apr 19, 2004 - 6:09 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I think I'm going to go 5S-FTE for a couple reasons
I don't have the money to spend on a swap I don't have the time to donate my car to a shop, even for only 3 weeks or so I have a vert, which is already chopped in half. It probably can't hande that much power I don't need that much power |
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Apr 19, 2004 - 6:10 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 25, '03 From cranston RI Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
you also have to coicider that a custom turbo is alot cheaper than a 3s swap, not to mention alot easier....
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Apr 19, 2004 - 6:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I heard that the monetary figures average about the same, 5sfte and 3sgte, by the time the set up is complete.
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Apr 19, 2004 - 7:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Moneywise they're no where near the same.
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Apr 19, 2004 - 7:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
So which one would you say is cheaper? |
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Apr 19, 2004 - 8:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The turbo
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Apr 19, 2004 - 9:08 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 9, '03 From Utah Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I dunno. I think that it would come out to be about the same. I know the shop by me quoted me at 2300 for a clip. JDM sells the engine w/ tranny for $1000. How much is a 5sfe kit going to run you? I havn't really looked into it, I think I heard 2500. My engine has too many miles on it for me to turbo and have it last long, so I'm going with the swap.
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Apr 19, 2004 - 9:14 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 23, '03 From New Orleans Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
what y'all concern to many miles? I've heard of early 90s cars getting turboed w/ no problems on stock engines. If the compression test works then u should b good to go if you do it right.
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Apr 19, 2004 - 9:15 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
hey, I was searching around on the net, an found this place that does up your 3s-gte, just to show waht can be done i guess, really cool stuff.. check it out
3s-gte perfomance |
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Apr 19, 2004 - 9:18 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
if those are your reasons then you are not ready for a swap or a custom turbo. think about it this way. with a turbo, you are adding something to the engine that it never designed to handle. the is a huge risk of engine failure due to something you did wrong or something that went wrong outside of your control. so in the end you may end up in a situation where: youll have to spend a ton of money trying to fix things as they break. blow up your engine and be without your car for months. end up having to do a swap, even if its for another 5sfe. -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Apr 21, 2004 - 6:28 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Tampa,Fl Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
true
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Apr 21, 2004 - 1:32 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
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Apr 21, 2004 - 2:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
There's no way we could duplicate one of those setups in a 6gc, plus it'd be probably more expensive than a 3sgte swap alone (since you need all those 3sgte parts)
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