 Import Vs. America Muscle, Kill Story...bye bye bye IROC! |
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 Apr 22, 2004 - 2:51 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Mar 23, '03 From New Orleans Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%)  |
gotta say something had to b wrong w/ his car. no offense
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Apr 22, 2004 - 3:07 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 16, '03 From Bay area Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
did u drive ur celica?
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Apr 22, 2004 - 3:08 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Carburated 5.0's have 170hp. Fuel injected are 215hp with a 5spd and 190hp with a auto. The car probably weighs about 3400lbs also. Could be a pretty close race.
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Apr 22, 2004 - 5:49 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
170hp? how big is the engine?
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Apr 22, 2004 - 6:33 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i raced a 87 IROC too, but he blew my doors off.
i cought him in the S-turn, but after that he was gone. -------------------- Jared Harwell
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Apr 22, 2004 - 6:35 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
It's a 5.0 liter I believe... and although it only lays down around 170-200 hp... it puts out around 280-300 ft lbs of torque. I think he woulda walked you easy... you just got lucky... This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Apr 22, 2004 - 6:36 PM -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Apr 22, 2004 - 10:25 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
don't want to spoil your day/night ... but something had to be worng with his care.. Iroc's can move those fiberglass bodys are every light..and they put a lot of power to the ground.. but then again you could just be a far better driver then him..
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Apr 23, 2004 - 3:24 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
170bhp in a 5litre LMFAO!! thats 34bhp per litre, thats the most inefficient engine ever!a 1960s vw beetle is better than that!
a 5 litre engine should be putting out 350bhp at least, anything less is a disgrace -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!
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Apr 23, 2004 - 3:44 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '04 From United Kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Its not particually powerful Uz - but when you consider they can easily last for half a million miles or more you see why they do it. The engines just are not worked at all. I can't see many 3S-GTE's lasting that long! 
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Apr 23, 2004 - 4:21 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 13, '03 From NY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
DJMC_Celica - Your Rims arent 19"
 they're 17" cause I can tell.
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Apr 23, 2004 - 7:06 AM
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No they are def 19s...I know what the tire says, DEF not 17s Trust me!
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Apr 23, 2004 - 7:12 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
but he keeps them clean though .. 
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Apr 23, 2004 - 7:20 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Half a million miles with half a million engines in them. Those things arent reliable at all. People are always rebuilding them things. You cant compare NO GM to a Toyota. In fact those camaro's are pieces of crap. -------------------- |
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Apr 23, 2004 - 9:53 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '03 From Bloomington, IN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I call BS. My buddy w/ a Del Sol VTec could barely beat an IROC. And vtec sol's are mid 15 sec cars. You own a mid 16 sec car. The Iroc was probably broken
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92 Civic hatch B16 - Sold 10th anniv RX-7 - RIP The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing. Quote from Seinfeild: George's Boss reading a magazine: "People magazine's most beautiful people. Oh and a Celica...nothin wrong with that!" |
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Apr 23, 2004 - 10:02 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
no offence, but i have seen more american cars run longer an harder an more miles than any import, also saying, is that weve owned am in the past an havnt had a chnace, im really only talking about gm, the reast weve had no luck with. and those camaros as long as you chnage oil, and take care of them, they will run a lot longer than any 6gc, i mean most i here are craping out around 160-180k... Our 89 chevy truck, just died at around, 300k pops 86 vetter, 206k got totalled, but ran perfect pontiac transport, 208k perfect, only a new trans to add one more thing, every car is a peace of ****......... This post has been edited by Digndoug: Apr 23, 2004 - 10:03 AM |
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Apr 23, 2004 - 10:16 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Not true with all the GM's ive owned and the rest of my family members... All needed rebuilds at around 100k miles, trannys crapping out, whole freaking car rattling apart, basically everything has been replaced at least once during its whole 100k lifespan. They did look nice on the outside but they are cheaply made. I have seen some last a long time but they are totally falling apart and no telling how many rebuilds they have been through. Toyota Quality far exceeds anything by GM. My family has owned mostly GM's up until the last few years...WE will never go back..
BTW..i had a 93 camaro...headgasket blew around 100k, fuel pump, 3 alternators, driveshaft bearing went bad so had to make a whole new onepeice shaft, freeze plug leaked and had to drop the whole tranny to change that peice of crap 1$ cap. Bose crap radio been refurbished a couple times and still didnt work..Taillights went out all the time, grounding problems with turnsignals, windows rattled like crazy along with the rest of the interior. This post has been edited by bufferdan: Apr 23, 2004 - 10:19 AM -------------------- |
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Apr 23, 2004 - 11:59 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
dont get too cocky
a 87 IROC is not a good example of American muscle, its 17 years old, and all GM v8's of the 80's sucked from the factory. fastest cars GM made in the 80's were the Grand Nationals, T-Types, and Turbo Trans Am's, and all of those had the 3.8l turbo v6 engine as for lasting 500k miles, i highly doubt that, maybe 200k tops. i read on a forum where a guy blew his transmission on his sierra/silverado(new model) in only 19k miles. the internals of their engines are great, and can last a long ass time, but they design the supporting systems to barely get the job done. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Apr 23, 2004 - 12:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
The older ones are much better! Sure they dont have the tuned performance of newer cars but there is less to break unlike newer cars.
Most of the new GM cars are really crappy and seem to be disposable after about 100k miles. Just look at the resale value of a domestic car once it gets around 100k on it. If that isnt telling you something then i dont know what to tell you. For all the electronics and technology toyotas have in them today they are darn good cars and seem to go a long time with few problems. -------------------- |
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Apr 23, 2004 - 12:36 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '03 From mississippi Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
A couple of weeks back I stroled a caviler I know they suck but hell it made me feel good considering I know how slow STs are LOL
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Apr 23, 2004 - 12:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 3, '03 From Omaha, Ne Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Last summer I raced a late 80's early 90's something Camero with a 305 I think and exhaust and an intake. He beat me but only by half a car length. It was any auto, but I still felt good. He also raced my friends 99 Extreme and beat him by two car lengths he has a 5 speed and I can only beat him w/ the celi by about 1 to 1.5 car lengths. So I don't really now what my point with all this was, but I thought that I would share since it's kinda on topic.
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Apr 23, 2004 - 1:11 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
4cyl extreme? Those things are like a whopping 115hp ..WEE WEE
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Apr 23, 2004 - 1:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 26, '03 From McKenzie, TN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Crap, now you've got me scared. My car already has over 150k...but it hasnt given any probs at all since I've had it as far as the engine goes. The only thing I've actually had to do to it is replace the factory starter and a lightbulb (which I broke painting my tails). The 6gc is the most reliable car of the 4 I've had. I think your not giving it enough credit. I'll agree that the IROC's faster, but I seriously doubt it will outlast a celi if you take care of it. |
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Apr 23, 2004 - 2:35 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '04 From United Kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Sorry Guys - I didn't explain properly.
Lots of American cars have large engines with a relatively low power output, lots of American engines do last for a very high number of miles. It wasn't a specific comment about that particular car. I used to drive an old Chevy station wagon when I lived in Massachusetts it had 450k miles on it - was rusty as anything but the engine was great
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Apr 23, 2004 - 3:14 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Keyword.."OLD" ...the old ones did go for a long time.. It doesnt happen much anymore. These celicas are about the best car you can buy as far as reliability goes. Yeah some may have problems but for the most part they are very good cars. -------------------- |
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Apr 23, 2004 - 6:14 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 22, '02 From Detroit Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Don't worry about anything. I've got 200,100 miles(hit the 200 mark Tuesday), and have only replaced a clutch, starter, battery, and a few other minors like plugs/wires and the timing belt. I'm overdue for a timing belt, but it still purrs like it did with 100k on it. |
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Apr 23, 2004 - 7:25 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I'd have to see it to believe it. American cars aren't exactly known for their reliability... as Japanese imports are. In the american market... 90,000+ miles is considered 'high mileage'... when in fact... that's barely 1/3 of the life of a typical japanese import. As for your wagon... one of the very very few domestics I've ever heard of lasting well beyond 300,000 miles. Also... unless you're the original owner, or owned the vehicle for a vast majority of those miles... you never know if the motor has or hasn't been rebuilt/replaced during the life of the car. I know for sure (from experience) that Toyota 2/3/4AC's and 20/22R/E are immortal engines. Even with poor maintainence, those suckers still run far beyond 300,000 and even farther beyond 400,000 miles with proper maintainence... that's why Toyota used those block designs (A seires and R series) basically from the late 70's all the way to the mid-late ninties with unparalleled reliability. The only other company that may come close is Honda... who are still using the old D series even today. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Apr 23, 2004 - 7:55 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
ok, lets say this, all cars suck..... ok, but really if i were going for the beter engines, better power bands, and most realiable, i would get a bimmer or benz, you cant beat them..
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Apr 23, 2004 - 8:43 PM
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I definitely wouldn't consider a Bimmer or a Benz the most reliable. They're really nice cars, but they're generally not as reliable as Toyotas or Hondas. -------------------- New Toyota project coming soon...
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Apr 23, 2004 - 11:39 PM
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they 17s.... but he keep em clean -------------------- i am awesome
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Apr 23, 2004 - 11:43 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 26, '03 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
im hammered but one pic explains it all
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Apr 24, 2004 - 12:23 AM
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Administrator Joined Aug 23, '02 From Seattle, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
I'm so lost...that's a pic of Clipsetuner. 
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Apr 24, 2004 - 5:34 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 27, '04 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hi everyone,
First, I must give my apologies for the following long post. This is my second post and I hope I do not clutter too much of the cyber space. Reliability of the Sixth Generation Toyota Celica (6GC) This topic is very interesting. There seems to be various misconceptions on the reliability of the 6GC when comparing it against various levels, including car, make and locality. One must really focus on the individual car (even for a new car) to assess its reliability. Numerous factors can affect the reliability including: * Company (why the car was build, its investment on the model, the focus on electricals and engine, materials, the actual build process, etc) * Person (how the car was driven, its history on maintenance and repair, etc) Obviously, trying to obtain the above information is almost impossible if one does not own the car. In fact, I understand that it might sound very ironic and really defeats the purpose of buying a car when one must own a car before one can actually know its reliability. Therefore, while being unable to know its true reliability, to a certain extent, there are some propositions which one can use to ascertain a potential reliability of a car. Upon research (albeit only over the Internet) for the past year, I believe I would make the following very general propositions (with all other things being equal) based on the previous views of the members of this topic: 1. The 6GC is one of the most reliable cars made by Toyota. 2. Toyota and Honda are the companies which consistently make the most reliable cars (which require the less maintenance or daily care). Mercedes Benz and BMW reliability is current declining against Toyota and Honda. 3. Mercedes Benz and BMW has engine reliability comparable to Toyota and Honda although their respective maintenance and daily care must be higher than Toyota and Honda to maintain its reliability. Their electricals are definitely not as reliable as the electricals of Toyota and Honda. 4. Imports are generally more reliable than "local" cars. Obviously, those views are my thoughts but I believe they are correct. I hope you would come to the same conclusions after research as well. Thanks for reading, TheReader |
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Apr 24, 2004 - 10:47 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '03 From Bloomington, IN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
explains what? you like ugly girls? -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
92 Civic hatch B16 - Sold 10th anniv RX-7 - RIP The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing. Quote from Seinfeild: George's Boss reading a magazine: "People magazine's most beautiful people. Oh and a Celica...nothin wrong with that!" |
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Apr 24, 2004 - 10:52 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 23, '03 From New Orleans Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
thats what i was thinking |
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Apr 24, 2004 - 1:54 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the late 80s IROCs are ****ty ass cars period.
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Apr 24, 2004 - 1:56 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
he speaks again!!! -------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Apr 24, 2004 - 2:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 26, '03 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yes -------------------- i am awesome
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Apr 24, 2004 - 2:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 25, '03 From cranston RI Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
.......wow more randomness out of andason.... --------------------  |
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Apr 25, 2004 - 4:11 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 6, '03 From Florida Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I think Andason had a little too much to drink
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Apr 25, 2004 - 4:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 25, '03 From cranston RI Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
hes like the guy that just pops up everyonce in a while to spoute out some words of wisdom... -------------------- |
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Apr 25, 2004 - 11:01 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 3, '03 From Omaha, Ne Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
No it wan't the 4cyl it had the 6cly with 180hp and 240 torque. |
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