GT4 VS STI, who will win? Options

[lagos]

took a pic of my car next to an STI. i know im biased but to me my celica looks better.

[celicarocker]

wow....

what a waste of board space....

OF COURSE YOUR CAR LOOKS BETTER THAN AN STI!!!

lol...

plus thats not even a good STI... theres a guy in my town with a black one, looks hell of alot better than that one... but still not as sexy as your car....

[ghostdog]

haha, nice. the celi is definetly hotter

[lagos]

well im not trying to brag or anything...i always thought the sti was a good looking car...but its amazing that when u put them side by side the celi looks better.

but i bet if i posted this in the subaru forums they would think the sti was better looking.

[Drocay]

i have never like the STI, i always hated the hood and bumper.

[YellowTwo]

That car is butt-ugly compared to yours.

[chucho]

but the sti will burn you

[snadman]

Yeah well, the ass of an STI is ugly...a 6gc's arse is sexy!

[5sfeTurbo]

STi will hand it to the GT-4 stock for stock, but the Celicas look much better.

[KAMiX]

The older STi's were nice though. The MY99 was a sweet car.

[neoklis]

Yea the STI would kill the Celi stock for stock BUT dont forget that the STI in the picture is 2003 model but the GT4 is 1993 technology. Plus Toyota has another car for power and racing (Supra anyone?) furthermore, put them next to each other when NOT Stock for stock. the GT4 is much more reliable when modded.

[uzthedentist]

actually not entirely true, it depends if its the sti with prodrive performance pack (265bhp close to 300lb/ft) if it is youd get destroyed, if not, its actually closer than ud think. But with 300 bhp ull destroy it even with the ppp

[kuya1284]

That's the crappy sti... there are better looking ones...

[celicarocker]

[chucho]

[Magic]

Hmmmmmm....I like your car but the STI is not a car that you should compare it with our Celicas,actually for me isnt even a sport car....
I used to have JDM WRX b4 my JDM GT4 and they are really FAST AS HELL....

[kuya1284]

You know... I forgot to mention last night that I raced my friend's hatchback STI last week at HIN in the parking lot. We didn't do a full out race... He started before I did and all I have to say is that he never pulled on me. But mind you, this was about 1/8th of a mile. I know it was a stupid thing to do since it was in the parking lot... but we were just messin around because there were several people driving around hard trying to waste gas. You need 1/4 tank before a car is allowed to go in to show. So my friend and I just drove around with those guys... hehe.

Here's a picture of his car at the show in the Meguiar's booth.

[ghostdog]

lets stay on topic guys. I think we all know a 135 hp gt can't run against a 300 hp sti

atleast without several vtec stickers and some euro lights


edit: is that an sti swap? I didn't think they made usdm sti's before the face change

[subsolo_21]

A guy near where I live has a civic thats been made to look like an sti. Almost just like the one in the 1st pic. It's butt ugly compared to celis. I dont like the look of the sti but id still love to have one.

BTW that blue car is pretty sexy.

[Consynx]

the new STi is okay, the GT4 looks better
but the older WRX(looked like the 98-99 2.5 here in the US, or 2dr 98-2001), that thing was awesome.

[5sfeTurbo]

I went shopping today for a WRX..not to bad there 2004 WRX Standard Package+Sun-roof goes for-22,000 (no way I can get the STi) with like 10,000 miles on it. Took a test drive, it was a very smooth ride and past 4K its pretty nice. Im just waiting to pay off the Celica then Im about 98% sure Im going to get one. Plus insurance likes the AWD+ 4 Door thing too.

[lagos]

what did they update in the sti over the regular wrx? is the engine the same but running more boost? same tranny or a new design?

This post has been edited by lagos: May 3, 2004 - 5:51 PM

[Consynx]

hmm, im not 100% sure...I use to know, and either the WRX here was dif than in japan due to a different Liter engine to stay within emissions...then when the STi came we got all the performance PLUS the bigger engine...it was, confusing...i forget

[Mynzeyes]

i believe the turbo/ic/suspension/etc are a little different on the STi. also, even with my bias, STi > GT-FOUR in performance definately. sorry. . but w/ looks, i'd say they are pretty much equal tho...

[FallenHero]

they didn't make the WRX back then, it was the 2.5RS and they were as slow as my slushbox ST.

[ghostdog]

[Consynx]

eh-heh, just like the GT4, they DID have WRX's
they never came to the US, and the 2.5 with the slits and scoop in the hood was the same style as the WRX in japan.

[snadman]

[Drocay]

i liked the 2.5's over today's wrx.

[lagos]

just found a dyno sheet for a stock STI....its only 228 at the wheels! man talk about drivetrain loss!

here is a link to the sheet and video

[GT4SUM]

228hp sounds about right. Thats the thing you get with 4wd

[GT4SUM]

[lagos]

what does a stock gt-4 put down at a dyno? how about a stock evo8?

[GT4SUM]

Well my one put down 228hp at the wheels with exhaust, filter and more boost.

My guess a stock one would do about 195ish hp. The drivetrain loss is about 25%

[lagos]

i just found a dyno sheet for a stock evo....

EDIT: Sorry i posted the wrong dyno....the guy did a 3rd gear and a 4th gear run.

here is the correct 4th gear dyno run.




This post has been edited by lagos: May 3, 2004 - 10:40 PM

[97sccelica]

arent most dyno runs done in 4th gear which is usually the gear that is closest to 1:1 ratio?

why is that evo's dyno done in 3rd?

edit:the dyno was changed

This post has been edited by 97sccelica: May 3, 2004 - 10:40 PM

[5sfeTurbo]

I just got a quote on a 04" WRX ..*gulps*..check this out.....


....Directly from the letter,

Dear Daniel Snider:

Thank you for your Internet request.

Based on the information that you have provided, if you were to replace your
1997 Toyota Celica GT/LE with a 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX, your new six month
premium would be approximately $2,005.60. This is a total increase of
$1,448.90. Please keep in mind that this is an estimate only, and the actual
premium may differ based on the Vehicle Identification Number. Since this
request was for a quote only, no changes have been made to your policy.

I have Geico and I pay now $94 a month for Liability only, this would be $330 a month...damn Scratch that idea.

This post has been edited by 5sfeTurbo: May 3, 2004 - 11:39 PM

[Nigel]

how i think of it is a subaru costs £20k new and a used gt4 costs £6k plus the £14k on mods and your going to have one killer.

[creis]

the sti frunt end is hella better looking, I really dont like the gt4 bumper. its just looks all rong, but thats just me.

[neoklis]

[KAMiX]

[neoklis]

[uzthedentist]

wat do u mean by own? quarter mile? track? rally? If you beleive that a car is 'fast' because it goes fast in a straight line then of course the sti is faster. However, if youre talking about real world pace then a gt4 is faster, i can take corners much faster in the gt4 than i can in my friends sti.

anyway this is not eally a fair comparison, the comparison should be wrx to gt4. Also there are so many derivatives of sti= r, ra, ra spec c, p1, ppp, 22b etc and theres only 2 gt4 models with the same power

[KAMiX]

There are quite a few race teams in Japan that did or still do run 3s-gte's in Supras. Someone posted a link to a webpage on one of the teams ages ago (sorry I cbf searching for it).

As for the sti.. I can only say from first hard experience cruising the hills around my city in one, and from also being in a '90 alltrac and from what I've heard from st205 owners here. Most people have said that stock the car isn't as fast as they expected, and needs some work to unleash the beast.

If you think the wrx can't handle, go watch a round of the WRC, or go thrash one through some hills. Don't get me wrong, I would take a GT4 over a WRX anyday of the week.. but my point is that stock the STi is (i think) faster.

[uzthedentist]