 Fully Built 5SFE, links please |
 Jul 12, 2004 - 12:56 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
I dont want to do a 3S swap. I want to do everything myself, and Im very inclined to do so. I cant handle the wiring and extra stuff that a 3S would take so please, I ask that swappers leave their opinions out of this topic unless helpful.
This winter is nicknamed "Celica overhaul" Im going to do everything I possibly can to my Celica which means a built 5S. I know Race Motorsports makes 8.5 turbo pistons for the 5S but I'm more or less looking for a completely ported and polish, 100% done 5S block. I did a search for it once and someone posted a great link but I cant find it anymore. Any help would be great. Thanks guys. |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 1:06 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You'd only lower compression if you want to turbo the car (but it sounds like you know that as you refered to it as "turbo pistons") increased compression is the way to go.. I'm also very interested in what gets said in this topic. I believe the link you are referring to links to a company that sells built up 5sfe short blocks.
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Jul 12, 2004 - 1:09 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 23, '03 From New Orleans Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Here is a rebuilt block. I'm thinking about going this route. And working the head. Would make it alittle faster and still pretty reliable.
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Jul 12, 2004 - 2:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yea, thats the link I found in the search forum
one problem though... 10.5!!! ouch for a turbo guy. Otherwise this sounded great. I'm wondering if they'd put the Race Engineering pistons in at the same price??? But if I got that... you add Web Cams (est 30 crank HP increase since the cams are 22* apart ... sh.tty econ design), add a nice intake, a free flow exhaust, underdrive pulley, alum flywheel, nice plugs and wires, upgrade ignition, and what not and we all might be close too a CRANK 200 N/A HP. w00t!!! Slap a turbo on that b.tch and kiss some v8's goodbye. |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 2:53 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
Thats a pretty high goal, 200hp NA. Those mods on alot of cars would bring in some good numbers but the 5sfe is a PITA. Jim Snodgrass did that all and more and could only net 145ish HP to the wheels. Thats the highst recorded NA 5sfe dyno to date. Right now he's working on this its a 5sgTe. Those are the pistons Im having installed in my car tomorrow. I'd also use 3sgte rods (Have the rod jurnals turned down to stock 3sgte rod specs) If you want valves and/or valve springs ferra makes custom 5sfe valves....They'll cost you 2/3 a st185 clip tho. -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Jul 12, 2004 - 3:09 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
1b... I said crank HP not wheels. But that engine is quoted at 155 crank. And everyone with webcams along with Jim Snodgrass said that they add about 30 because of the crappy econ design of the engine. Well adding, thats 185. I'm assuming with all the others mods I listed, they could be around 15 which is a 200 N/A CRANK. Now, i'm a realistic person. Intake doesn't at 20Hp, nor does exhaust. But I dont see 200 N/A crank power being that impossible. And then 1b.... do your turbo kit how-to and BAM... cant wait to see those numbers. Edit1: PITA? sorry, never heard of this term Edit2: I looked on Jims site, the stuff I said moreorless is what he did. So this setup will probably yeild 130-150WHP.
Edit3: Please inform us of those pistons when you get it back tomorrow  Cant wait to hear what they do for you.
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Jul 12, 2004 - 3:16 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Pain In The Ass --------------------  Project ST204.5 99.88946% complete... |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 3:25 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
.. A lot of the NA 5sfe Mr2 guys are getting their 5sfe's to put out way more than 150
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Jul 12, 2004 - 4:39 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
anybody else know of any good 5sfe builder sites???
www.raceeng.com for pistons (those 8.5 turbo ones I said eariler) Edit: I'd like valves but I dont wanna pay loads for em' keep those sites coming This post has been edited by turboinduction: Jul 12, 2004 - 4:40 PM |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 4:57 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '03 From Bloomington, IN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You know what'd funny? You can do all this and hit 200crankhp, and I'll still beat you by spraying.
Anways- I do really respect what you're trying to do, and now you've got me looking into this. You could prove me and others wrong, that the 5S isn't just a another econ motor. I'd also like to see a lay out, of product and pricing and hp gains. How much do you have to spend? How much do u think this'll cost? As always, NAWS! -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
92 Civic hatch B16 - Sold 10th anniv RX-7 - RIP The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing. Quote from Seinfeild: George's Boss reading a magazine: "People magazine's most beautiful people. Oh and a Celica...nothin wrong with that!" |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 5:00 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
*shrug* personal preference Slow. I'd rather always have the power there- even if I'm out of NAWZ
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Jul 12, 2004 - 5:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '03 From Bloomington, IN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Well, the setup on the website is good for 155hp. That's only 20 more then stock. So you wanna pay $1,400 for 20+ more hp? You it'll be even more then that once throw in gaskets and seals and fuilds n junk.
But on the up-side, it's like a new motor, so it's like your celica is born again. What's maged and shot-peened? You'd still need (or use the stock) crank, cams, vaules, vaule springs, and what else major? -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
92 Civic hatch B16 - Sold 10th anniv RX-7 - RIP The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing. Quote from Seinfeild: George's Boss reading a magazine: "People magazine's most beautiful people. Oh and a Celica...nothin wrong with that!" |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 5:20 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yes only 20 more than stock - but built for beating. I know I dont wanna turbo mine 105k engine. 1400 for a brand spanking new block thats upgraded and reading for abuse isn't too bad. And yes you still use stock crank, cams and what not. Thats why I said if you upgrade those then 200 n/a isn't that far away. |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 6:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I wouldn't run a wet shot through it either. |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 8:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
whata talking bout shid... all imports are nawzed up at the factory. I press my red button at every stop light. And thats why I need a new engine. lol. |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 8:45 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
&(*@ I thought that was my alarm button!!!
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Jul 12, 2004 - 9:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 23, '03 From New Orleans Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
sorry i was thinking NA didnt see the turbo part
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Jul 12, 2004 - 11:09 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
nah... that IS the link I wanted... now just to see if they'll knock that compression down a bit |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 11:12 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
Sorry I missed the crank part. I do agree that with some heavy mods to the head you can pull 200 at the crank (even more if you tune it right). I got my CP's from ChrisK on mr2oc.com hes the only dealer at the moment NOT backstocked. I have to have the crank sent out for the milling and all so it may be close to a week before I get it back running. Once its home Im going to put a few hundred NA miles and then install all the toys FINALY. Its only been over 2 years gathering parts and 1 of the car not running right. -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Jul 13, 2004 - 5:26 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '02 From Webster Ma. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
the perfomance block guys sent me this.
so im gunna get there block with 8.5-1 comp ratio. do a metal camry head gasket. shimless s2000 retainers for the valve springs. probly get larger than 360 injectors and use a resistor pack. get a walbro pump. and up the boost to say 12. -------------------- |
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Jul 13, 2004 - 7:16 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i love you
if they can do 8.5... I know where my next paycheck is going |
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Jul 13, 2004 - 8:16 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 23, '03 From New Orleans Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
http://www.raceeng.com/ShowSuppliers.asp?cat=IMP&subCat=PS CP pistons and race engineering have pistons for the 5sfe.
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Jul 13, 2004 - 8:23 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
those are the ones I was talking about earlier
Wiesco Pistons XT-532P875 TOYOTA 5SFE PISTON:87.5mm/8.5:1 $449 SET XT-532P87 TOYOTA 5SFE PISTON:87mm/8.5:1 $449 SET CP Pistons XTP-532P875 TOYOTA 5SFE PISTON:87.5mm/8.5:1 $449 SET This post has been edited by turboinduction: Jul 13, 2004 - 8:27 AM |
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Jul 13, 2004 - 11:15 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Other sites... I'm looking for the valve train side of it now
http://www.importperformanceparts.net/imports/toyotavt2.html http://www.enginetech.com/newsletter/artic...136&issue_id=51 http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/rea...1/sw21mods.html |
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Jul 13, 2004 - 11:29 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
oh a TRIPLE POST - w00t!
I found the turbonectics turbo manifold for the 5s http://www.importstreetscenes.com/engine/i...ds/turbonetics/ |
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Jul 13, 2004 - 12:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Uhhh... any 3sgte exhaust manifold bolts on.. thats what i keep hearing.
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Jul 13, 2004 - 12:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '03 From Bloomington, IN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Keep it coming people. This is really interesting. Even I'm considering building a 5S now (nitrous built, hehee) and I hate the 5S.
It's be neat to see some built 5S's out performening 3s's -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
92 Civic hatch B16 - Sold 10th anniv RX-7 - RIP The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing. Quote from Seinfeild: George's Boss reading a magazine: "People magazine's most beautiful people. Oh and a Celica...nothin wrong with that!" |
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Jul 13, 2004 - 12:57 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
You can get 440's I think they are a plug in also itchy. I know there is a guy in MD with a few MR-2's turbo and not that can hook you up. He's is on the 2 board. -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Jul 13, 2004 - 1:11 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '02 From Webster Ma. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
1bwilson your the man. actaully i already have 440's i bought them while trying to get the 7mge's ones. the clip needs to be modified. big deal. thank though. i wanna have a mean 5sfte. like low 13's high 12's is the goal. some with enuf saving and money.
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Jul 13, 2004 - 2:35 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The turbonetics is a T3 flange if I read right. Gives us two options. Either the 3SGTE manifold with the Ct26 or the turbonetics with the T3 Hybrid. I'm not sure I'd want the kind of power, but ya never know. I did some math yesterday. The average CT26 turbo on a 5S would put it near 200 crank HP. Thats a 65% increase over stock. I'm wondering if the same power percentage stayed, then if we all built 200 N/A crank HP cars, and the turbo did its 65%... we'd all have 307HP cars. HELLO SUPRA. My dreams of a 5S fast Celica arn't too far away. |
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Jul 13, 2004 - 3:28 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Thats pretty accurate- but what I'm saying is, that 5sfe turbo T3 exhaust manifold is the exact same as a 3sgte T3 exhaust manifold, you dont have to go looking for a 5sfe specific one; just say HELLLOO to a variety of 3sgte aftermarket manifolds.
But the Turbonetics one is what I'd probably get; another place has them for sale too |
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Jul 13, 2004 - 3:30 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
oh yea... lol... I never thought of an aftermarket 3sgte manifold. Hummmm. The possibilites are rising. |
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Jul 13, 2004 - 3:35 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If I'm wrong I wish someone would let me know
 but whenever I found a 5sfe manifold it'd be for the 3sgte also
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Jul 13, 2004 - 3:43 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
no your right... which is nice because there is more options now. I really dont want a stock 3SGTE manifold because they look like crapola. But an aftermarket one is pretty.
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Jul 13, 2004 - 11:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
There is a adapter you can get for a stock 3sgte mani to fit a T3 on there.
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Jul 14, 2004 - 7:13 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
can someone post links to aftermarket 3SGTE/5SFE turbo manifolds? I cant seem to find that many...
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Jul 14, 2004 - 9:49 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '02 From Webster Ma. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
C-One 3rdg Gen 3SGTE Ex. Manifold
(Header/Exhaust) Our Price: $1,408.00  Brash BoyTubular Exhaust Manifold (ST185/ST205) (Header/Exhaust) Our Price: $1,517.72  -------------------- |
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Jul 14, 2004 - 11:08 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
.... Any for less? lol
 Itchy, are you using one of those?? |
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Jul 14, 2004 - 11:21 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '02 From Webster Ma. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
phhttt no. im using a stock mr2 one that i polished the runners or what every you wanna call them.
ps all teh info in here should be put in a sticky for the 5sfter or jsut the 5sfe guys. This post has been edited by x_itchy_b_x: Jul 14, 2004 - 11:33 AM -------------------- |
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Jul 14, 2004 - 11:41 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I agree, sticky would be great...
JEEZ those headers are expensive. My whole short block is cheaper than that! Do you have pictures of your turbo manifold polished. I figure if we all have beautiful chromed polished powdercoated engines, our headers shouldn't look like they came off a 10 year old car. I'd like to see what you've done with yours.
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Jul 14, 2004 - 12:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '02 From Webster Ma. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
oops sorry i must a gave the wrong idea. i polish the inside of the manifold... the outside looks ok i pained it with high heat silver nothing specail. if u wanna have a nice looking manifold eith pay or have the the stock one powder coated or chromed. -------------------- |
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Jul 14, 2004 - 1:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ahh i see now.
NEW STUFF I just for this today. A "coming soon" stroker kit for the 5SFE http://www.importperformanceparts.net/impo...comingsoon.html I've tried calling them but they are busy |
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Jul 14, 2004 - 1:46 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Fingers.. hurt.. tell me what I missed..
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14345&hl= *dies* |
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Jul 14, 2004 - 1:47 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Also, a new 5SFE long block site. It says its bored out and built for performance. I might call them as well.
http://www.actionsalvage.com/enginestoyota.asp |
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Jul 14, 2004 - 1:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
D'oh.. I forgot the short blocks.. will update with them later
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Jul 14, 2004 - 3:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Shid's LAZY (
 ) forum update_____________________________________ I found a long block, aside from the short block on pg. 1 Itchy B informed us about the price of headers - ouch I found a 5S stroker kit listed above You wrote a Sticky! w00t! go shid I'm currenty looking for a place that has built 5S heads. Thats how I came across the Long block. I keep everyone posted. I only have 3.5 months until Project Celica-T begins. HAHAHHA i'm so corny. |
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Jul 14, 2004 - 4:05 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
No one's replying to it.. and it's not a sticky until one of the mods makes it..
So reply to it and go: THIS IS GREAT AND NEEDS TO BE A STICKY lol I'll add that stuff in tonight problably |
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Jul 14, 2004 - 5:31 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 16, '03 From Wichita KS Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
this really should be a sticky i would love to turbo my 5sfe and not have to deal with the wiring problems of the 3s. This is all very helpful information.
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Jul 14, 2004 - 5:33 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I WILL! oh boy. Shid, or anyone else alive besides myself and shid, try to find a place for valves besides Fearra. I'm also looking at heads and I am coming up short. All hail the almighty 5SF-T-E. |
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Jul 14, 2004 - 5:41 PM
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