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Jul 12, 2004 - 7:43 PM

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So i was having a interesting convo online with my buddy who i plan on having do my engine clip but then he had this to say!....

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HOTAZZDJ26: you know how to do a front engine clip?
NcSupra: yes
HOTAZZDJ26: On my car?
NcSupra: what kind of engine do you want?
HOTAZZDJ26: 3SGTE!
HOTAZZDJ26: Gen 3
NcSupra: that wont work
HOTAZZDJ26: yes it will
HOTAZZDJ26: i allready scoped it out, i just need a mechanic to put it in
NcSupra: dude your car is front wheel drive
NcSupra: belive me I know everything about that engine
HOTAZZDJ26: hang on
NcSupra: you would need a trany swap also
NcSupra: to a six speed
NcSupra: and the ecu
HOTAZZDJ26: ok hang on
NcSupra: along with the room for exhaust
HOTAZZDJ26: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1448
HOTAZZDJ26: check out feasible and non feasible
NcSupra: dude yeah ok go ahead and change the front of your frame
NcSupra: your nuts man
HOTAZZDJ26: what do you mean it says you can drop it right in?
NcSupra: dude you cant
HOTAZZDJ26: It drops right in to your Celica, assuming you have a ST202, ST203, or ST204(Which is the USDM GT.) Even if you have a ST(Chassis code AT200), you can still swap this engine into your car. It will just take a bit more work, because you'll need to change motor mounts and your transmission, and a few other things.
NcSupra: trust me on this
HOTAZZDJ26: i trust you its just i hear so much on the forum
NcSupra: dude someone has something messed up
HOTAZZDJ26: why?
NcSupra: that engine is an inline 6 you cant mount it that way
HOTAZZDJ26: so i would need to switch my whole Tranny, Shifter, and frame?
NcSupra: ha ha dude keep going
NcSupra: well over 15,000 worth of cash way over
HOTAZZDJ26: so whats a feasible engine you would suggest?
HOTAZZDJ26: or should i NOS it and keep rebuilding my engine
NcSupra: ha ha
HOTAZZDJ26: what do you suggest MAD SCIENTIST?!
HOTAZZDJ26: hahaha
NcSupra: dude your crazy
HOTAZZDJ26: i need to get at least 220hp
HOTAZZDJ26: im at 140
HOTAZZDJ26: hahaha
HOTAZZDJ26: have you seen my car recently?
NcSupra: mill the head and get everything titanium
NcSupra: yes
HOTAZZDJ26: what do you mean? english please?
NcSupra: if you get the head milled it will higher your compresion but lower yout liter it will ad torque and hp
HOTAZZDJ26: how much?
NcSupra: money?
HOTAZZDJ26: both how much HP, and how much $
NcSupra: dude titanium **** money man
NcSupra: mill the head bore out the cylinders and hone them and that would be a start
HOTAZZDJ26: so u saying i should scrap the celi and go for a supra?
NcSupra: dude i gotta run man Ill start this later
HOTAZZDJ26: ok
HOTAZZDJ26: peace

So what do you guys think??? Is this true, i am looking at 15,000Gs??? Let me know?

Thanks,
DJMC

This post has been edited by Coomer: Jul 13, 2004 - 12:54 PM

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Jul 12, 2004 - 7:51 PM
Jeremy1210 View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Dec 16, '02 From Cincinnati, Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	You are correct DJMC. your buddy is wrong. The 3sgte is a 4 banger, not a 6. I think he is thinking of the supra engine, or he doesn't know crap about the car. Its a feasable swap. Look up XAT racing online. they charge 5400 for everything. the problem is that they are in Florida, but for that price I think its worth going to FL This post has been edited by Jeremy1210: Jul 12, 2004 - 7:51 PM

Jul 12, 2004 - 7:56 PM
Guest_DJMC_Celica_* Guest_DJMC_Celica_* View Member Profile	Yeah i hear ya, he has a 4th gen. But see i dont know, it makes me nervous ya know?

Jul 12, 2004 - 7:58 PM
macavely View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	a 3sgte will not run you 15k to buy and install.. more like 5-8 depending on what you get and were you get it.. tell you frined to join this site and we will let him know whats what.. or IM at Macavely05@aol.com.. -------------------- [ TeamNJCT

Jul 12, 2004 - 8:02 PM
jgreening View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	tell Mina or Kuya that a 3rd gen 3sgte wont fit in a USDM 6th gen Celica. Your buddy is wrong. Period. -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

Jul 12, 2004 - 8:34 PM
Doge View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	I wouldn't trust that guys...he says he knows everything about the 3s and yet he doesn't even know how many cylinders it has. Makes you wonder about what else he "claims" to know and really knows jack sh*t. Guys like that make cars go boom.

Jul 12, 2004 - 8:45 PM
shid View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	Wow, that guy's an idiot. Or, he might be thinking you have a 7th gen.. in which case, almost everything he says is true (10-15gs, transmission, ECU, etc) But I doubt it. I just think he's a "know it all" who doesn't know this

Jul 12, 2004 - 8:49 PM
Guest_DJMC_Celica_* Guest_DJMC_Celica_* View Member Profile	HAHAAHAHAHA you guys are too funny, i love you guys! hahaha, anyways, so it is safe to drop it, i just dont want to end up ****in' my car up! ya know

Jul 12, 2004 - 10:33 PM
initialdrift55 View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Sep 23, '03 From Miami,FL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	jesus can someone give ure "mechanic" the link to register to this forum so we can flame him and start some sort of fund raiser to send him to a real mechanic school or somethin to help lol

Jul 12, 2004 - 10:50 PM

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QUOTE (initialdrift55 @ Jul 12, 2004 - 10:33 PM)

jesus can someone give ure "mechanic" the link to register to this forum so we can flame him and start some sort of fund raiser to send him to a real mechanic school or somethin to help lol

or just have all the people that have doen the swap take pics and email them to him.. but then he might just those aren't 3sgte engines..

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Jul 12, 2004 - 11:46 PM

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QUOTE (macavely @ Jul 12, 2004 - 8:50 PM)

or just have all the people that have doen the swap take pics and email them to him.. but then he might just those aren't 3sgte engines..

Seriously...look how many people have done the swap around here. 7A, 5S, either way there's plenty of proof that it can be done. He also thought it was an inline-6 so he either was talking about fitting the 6 wasn't possible or doesn't know what he's talking about.......

Jul 12, 2004 - 11:50 PM
Sh0gunkid8721 View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Feb 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	There are LOTS of people doing the swap on this site. You could find at LEAST 10 on this site that have done this swap or are doing it right now and can prove ur friend wrong. Just have DG IM ur friend...he'll teach him a thing or 2. This post has been edited by Sh0gunkid8721: Jul 12, 2004 - 11:51 PM -------------------- Note to new members. Discussions such as the ones below are forbidden. http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=26310&hl=

Jul 13, 2004 - 9:24 AM
Guest_DJMC_Celica_* Guest_DJMC_Celica_* View Member Profile	So listen to this, he calls me up and says, look i have proof it cant be done. And then he e-mails me an article from an MR-2 about a celica conversion and says there is no way it will fit. DUHHHHHHHHH!!!! hahaha DJMC

Jul 13, 2004 - 10:03 AM
Coomer View Member Profile Administrator Joined Aug 23, '02 From Seattle, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%)	So now that this guy won't do it, are you going to get your swap done elsewhere, or do it yourself? -------------------- New Toyota project coming soon...

Jul 13, 2004 - 12:56 PM
XXX_Mina View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '03 From Miami, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	coomer , did you delete my reply?? or did it not just go threw... i said that all peeps with swap should add buddy to aim and tell him wuzup Mina

Jul 13, 2004 - 5:43 PM
Jeremy1210 View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Dec 16, '02 From Cincinnati, Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	I vdon't know if I would want this guy working on my car....Might be a buddy of yours, but hes really wrong... Find a new mechanic buddy

Jul 13, 2004 - 6:11 PM
uzthedentist View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	He seems quite confused, his name is supra and hes talking about mating a 6 speed to the 3sgte (which it never came with!) idiot is prob talking about the supra engine. Is he on Aol? cos id love 2 cuss him when hes online This post has been edited by uzthedentist: Jul 14, 2004 - 12:57 PM -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!! spec list: http://sox-japoc.co.uk/forum/garage.php?mo..._vehicle&CID=10

Jul 13, 2004 - 6:58 PM
macavely View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	he sounds like those mechanics that haven't worked on many cars.. how long has he been a mechanic ? -------------------- [ TeamNJCT

Jul 13, 2004 - 7:22 PM
97Celica View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Nov 27, '02 From Derry,NH USA Currently Offline Reputation: 9 (100%)	I am going to take out a loan I think just to get a 3sgte...It will be like a brand new car. :-) --------------------

Jul 13, 2004 - 11:28 PM
drdos View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Aug 19, '03 From Buffalo,NY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	wow that dude is a dumbass. you seriouly need to talk to me i fyou want todo the swap i know people around here that will do it for you . for cheap. dont waste ur time or money.

Jul 13, 2004 - 11:32 PM
BlackCelicaGT94 View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Mar 4, '03 From Kirkland, Washington Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	10 g's is the quote i got too..but thats cuz the way id have it done it would be done so that if my car broke down all u gotta do is plug in a diagnostic and u would know exactly what was wrong. a lil too expensive so ill stick with supercharging -------------------- Cruisin down the street in my Infiniti...always lookin for my next trip to Sin City

Jul 13, 2004 - 11:36 PM
BlackCelicaGT94 View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Mar 4, '03 From Kirkland, Washington Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	basically what u get is the engine and u work from the block out or ur gonna have all kinds of problems. u can put it in for 4 g's but you havent rebuilt the motor yet, you havent put the bigger turbo on it, u havent intercooler etc -------------------- Cruisin down the street in my Infiniti...always lookin for my next trip to Sin City

Jul 13, 2004 - 11:50 PM
shid View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	10Gs? To wire it up to OBDII? OBD II gets its information from the ECU, so as long as the wiring is done right, you have OBDII anyway Natalie. Turbo, intercooler, new manifold, etc will run an extra 2Gs roughly So, a really NICE 3sgte setup is about 6 thousand with labor, 4500 without

Jul 14, 2004 - 11:49 AM
BlackCelicaGT94 View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Mar 4, '03 From Kirkland, Washington Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	my bro has 2 porsche intercoolers for his supra so hmm i doubt those were cheap. so im thinking the parts i would be using are gonna be a lil more expensive -------------------- Cruisin down the street in my Infiniti...always lookin for my next trip to Sin City

Jul 14, 2004 - 11:55 AM
shid View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	Sure, if you wanted them to be. You can get a greddy intercooler for 300 dollars off ebay, or 1000 dollars new; or a no name for 400 dollars new; you can spend 2000 dollars on a sparco or whatnot. But guess what? They're the exact same; the efficiency difference is about 1%; and unless you're pushing 700 hp through the turbo, it doens't matter, so dont waste your money

Jul 14, 2004 - 12:07 PM
Coomer View Member Profile Administrator Joined Aug 23, '02 From Seattle, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%)	I think what Natalie's saying though is that her dad will make that swap absolutely perfect for $10,000. You should see her bro's Supra that he's swapping a 7M-GTE into right now...it's amazing! -------------------- New Toyota project coming soon...

Jul 14, 2004 - 12:21 PM
shid View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	yeah, I don't doubt

Jul 14, 2004 - 12:59 PM
uzthedentist View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	best is to get a custom ic, then you can specify the inlets size position etc -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!! spec list: http://sox-japoc.co.uk/forum/garage.php?mo..._vehicle&CID=10

Jul 14, 2004 - 2:16 PM

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QUOTE (DJMC_Celica @ Jul 12, 2004 - 5:43 PM)

So i was having a interesting convo online with my buddy who i plan on having do my engine clip but then he had this to say!....

So what do you guys think??? Is this true, i am looking at 15,000Gs??? Let me know?

Thanks,
DJMC

I can't believe you didn't direct him to this thread:

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=6255

Jul 14, 2004 - 4:23 PM
jgreening View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	Ray: We have missed you man. How's the car coming? By the way, 3sgte going in as we speak. Jay. -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

Jul 14, 2004 - 6:26 PM

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QUOTE (jgreening @ Jul 14, 2004 - 2:23 PM)

Ray:

We have missed you man. How's the car coming? By the way, 3sgte going in as we speak.

Jay.

That's really good to hear Jay. I hope it all works out for you and that you don't endure the pain that I went through.

You all missed me? Really? LOL. I suck!

As for my car, I got it back from the body shop two weeks ago. I've been too busy (working 50 hours a week now), which is why I haven't been around much. I should have some time this weekend to take pics of my car with the Varis kit on.

Good luck with the swap Jay and everyone else who's doing it.

Jul 15, 2004 - 12:26 AM
Mr7AFE View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Jan 28, '03 From underground Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	thats just crazy... seek help elsewhere...

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