motor transplant possibility..., non toyota motor in celica?!!? Options

[zipstrips]

i am curious if anyone has ever seen a non toyota motor fitted into our gen celica or corolla for that matter. i am intrested in fitting a jdm nissan sr20de motor into my st. the motor mounts seem to be in fairly the same locations. a usdm wireharness is cheap and easy to come by. other than mounting it, and getting a tranny with axles that will work what else would have to be taken into consideration?

[jayi12-15psi]

well, honestly, I don't think the sr can be swapped, it dosent mount up horizontally, and you don't have enough room to mount it the way it needs to be

[playr158]

i think someone put a s2000 engine in, which in a celica would be a HUGE benefit in the power to weight ratio and solves our low redline point and aftermarket issues...but i'm not sure who did it or if it was in a rolla

[zipstrips]

[playr158]

go crazy, do the sr20 swap WITH RWD:) then turbo that sucka

[fastgt]

anything is possible....but would you really wanna put a non toyota motor? i can hear people making more fun towards our cars. "see toyota cant make a fast motor thats why you have to use a honda/nissan motor" its just not cool.

[zipstrips]

im not looking to do if for others approval. and that comment is true IMO. toyota made the 2jz and the 3sgte which are awesome motors. but there godly expensive too.

[Digndoug]

First off , unless with a ton of money, Eather a s2k engine or sr engine will fit, there both made for rear.. Also the 3s-gte is a ton easier, an ton betterm also drops right in.. duhh!

[Yota]

What would inspire you to put a nissan motor into your Celica anyway? The SR20 isn't that cheap either.

[zipstrips]

[Ale_lock]

Don't follow hype over motors...I started reading up again on super street & etc mags & all they talk about is honda & nissan (srd20 w/e it is) why? cause people are too stupid sometimes to know what they want & get what other people have (ex: honda civic's everywhere with the same kits & etc.) If you want the motor for some specific reason, then hey as they always seem to say.."if you got money, anything is possible" but don't let your motives be driven by the crowd. Like everyone else is suggesting, 3s-gte is deffinetly a reliable & most obvious choice for a motor since is a swap & drop with out too much extra labor over it.

Just wondering though...well what yota asked. ^_^

[zipstrips]

so back to topic... lets say that the axles are a good lenght, and it does bolt in. are there anythings im overlooking that are going to be difficult?

[zipstrips]

[shid]

Er,, you get better hp at the wheels than at the crank?

[Yota]

I understand there are SR20 in FWD...

Just keep it in your Sentra.

[jayi12-15psi]

can you just swap that wiring harness?

[Kwanza26]

Everyone really needs to get over the 3SGTE and quit beating a dead horse. At least one person's gotta say "better go 3SGTE" in every topic conerning a motor swap... and let's face it... a majority of those people have never even sat in a car powered by one... so just quit it... ok? It's not the sort of thing that nobody knows about and you must explain it to them.

Back on topic: The SR20DE is a great little motor. Only drawbacks... it'll be a custom swap into a chassi that is not better in any way to a Sentra, 200sx, or Q20. Aside from looking cool... it has no advantages (the celica chassi).

[97GTinKC]

what else to consider? Electrical, radiator/cooling hoses, exhaust, all accessories, axles, shift linkage,,, pretty much everything would have to be fabricated or adapted, sure, it CAN be done, the answer to the question "Will it fit?" is ALWAYS yes, but it is the wrong question, you need to ask, "What will it cost and how long will it take and will the results be worth it?"

Check this out for Will it fit? : V8 Motorcycle Saw this in Wisconsin, turned out the guy lived about 70 miles from me in Missouri.

[jayi12-15psi]

how is the sr20de a great motor? he's getting like 20 extra hp, with a full custom swap, thats crap. I mean, way to be original, but, swap something original worth your time

[Kwanza26]

[jayi12-15psi]

what a cop out, redeem yourself tonight by telling me

[97sccelica]

the sr20 is a kick ass engine

strong as a 3sgte, WAY MORE PARTS AVAILABLE

cheaper than a 3sgte(fwd sr20's anyway)

light engine

capable of the same hp as a 3sgte when u turbo it

or, leave it at stock and have a lighter car, with more power, and better aftermarket for NA tuning.

if you get a USDM harness, it would help out a lot. the mounting positions may be similar, but i doubt they are perfect

hold the engine in there with a hoist, and keep it where the axles would have a straight shot to the hubs. and make the engine mounts to hold the engine there(if the ST engine is still in the car, measure everything out, buy a spare cross member from another celica and work with that for the engine mounts.)

then get some good custom axles

oh and he has an ST, so its a 40hp gain, and yea, sr20's are underrated

my friends and i are working on a 280zx-t engine swap into a 240z. the harness was a usdm harness, all we had to do was drill a hole in the firewall

everything looked perfect, as though the engine was meant to be there from the factory.

but we cant get spark. we are working on it. hopefully we will have it soon.

[Kwanza26]

[jayi12-15psi]

I'm sure the fwd sr is cheaper than the 3s, but (and I'm sorry to beat a dead horse) add all your cost for labor, even if the sr come close to mounting up, and the cost of parts to properly turbo the sr20, to reach the extra 60 hp, and your at the cost of the 3s (if not more), with more of a headache.

but I don't care, if he wants to do it, more power to him, and I'm sure if he's seriously considering this, he's already done more research than all of us combined.

[jayi12-15psi]

and another note, I really hope he does do it, just to have a different type of celica swap documented. I realize that the sr20 is popular tuning engine, I just can't see it being worth the time for all of that aftermarket support, and its not like the 3s has no aftermarket support

[Kwanza26]

[Hanyo]

sorry for stealing this thread
oh man i'm am going to get grilled so bad for saying this..

why cant you swap a b18c1 motor in to our celica's? its the same size as the 7afe and has 70 more HP and 3ooo more rpm.. plus you get all the cheap after market benifits of honda.

other then the point, what is wrong with swaping a different brand motor in a car? i would understand electrical issues and mounting issues. but with most people with swaps they alway get custom hybread axels.

[zipstrips]

im seriously looking into it more and more... im getting a usdm complete harness for 40 bucks! an ecu will run about 60 too. im shy of a tranny axles and a few other things, and if the swap doesnt work out ill always have parts for my nissan. plus all the parts are very liquid on the other boards. its something im pondering and im in no rush. all labor will be done by myself so there a large saving.

[RedSunCelica]

[Coomer]

It seems to me like you'd have a hard time getting the interior(gauge cluster, climate control, etc.) stuff to work. Would the Celica's gauge cluster be able to function correctly off of a Nissan ECU with some wiring changes?

And yeah, I agree that the SR20DE is a strong motor. I've been doing lots of reading on the G20.net forums about this motor, and everyone there loves it, except those who swap in SR20DET engines(easily, in comparison to a swap on a Celica.)

[Coomer]

Oh, and this may be of help.

[PhillyGuy086]

the sr20de is a freakin awesome engine...one of my budies has it in his car...also i think the sr20de is for the fwd and rwd and the sr20det(the turbo version) is only rear wheel...but if im not mistaken the tranny from the de will fit the det that way u could mount the det transverse keepin the car fwd. on of the guys in my city got in an hit by somone and it totaled his 99 prelude...he sued and got a but load of money... but instead of gettin a nice car like the lude again he got a 92 sentra for 500 bucks...he the procedded to get the front clip of a TT skyline and swap the motor to the sentra...as of right now he has the fastest car in roanoke...and we have a 600 hp supra here too...the sentra will wip that supras but... just to tell u that anything is possible and to go for it...i have contimplated the swap many times but seing as how i am a poor college student i cant afford it. ogood luck in whatever u decide to do.