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post Aug 10, 2004 - 12:09 AM
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So i dont normaly post... ever haha.... but i need your guys help on this one. I drive a standard 5s-fe celica with intake, cat-back, plugs wires, and stage 2 clutch. Now how might that stand against a fairly stock DOHC Vtec CRX? I dont have alot of experience against Vtec's so i must ask.. Im fairly sure my engine wont hold up that well of a fight but i would like to make sure... I bet im leaving alot of important information out of this but yeah... just some advice thats all. Thanks...


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post Aug 10, 2004 - 12:11 AM
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Im guessing thats the b16 with 160hp .. you will hang with him, but once he hits v-tec in like second.. hes gunna be gone.. the only thing you have on him is trq.. but im sure hes got both wight and hp on his side.. I would say race him for fun, dont bet.. and only do it in day light where you know its safe..
post Aug 10, 2004 - 12:20 AM
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You'd do ok.. It might be a little close.. the weight thing would probably cement it. Hondas have no torque, but he's got the hp advantage; and you've lost some torque with your catback.. etc... But the vtec would probably clinch it for the honda.
post Aug 10, 2004 - 12:21 AM
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keep in mind, that its in a crx.. so its prolly only like 2100 lbs or somthing stupid like that
post Aug 10, 2004 - 12:24 AM
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Crx > GT

Like doug said, weight & hp. Comparing the GT to the CRX, the weight difference is 700-1klbs depending on model, (HX DX etc.) plus 160hp compared to 135-140hp. We can eat hondas sometimes but not when their so light..I say still go for it, always a good experience & any experience is a learning one.

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post Aug 10, 2004 - 12:28 AM
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are you sure its a crx? ive beaten a crx b4 but it probley wasent vetc. so im really not sure.
post Aug 10, 2004 - 12:33 AM
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old skool CRXs = easy as hell to beat
post Aug 10, 2004 - 12:36 AM
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Depends, I'd vote CRX. CRX's are fun little cars too. I thing the VTEC would take the win though...


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post Aug 10, 2004 - 12:39 AM
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ENGINE HF DX Si DOHC VTEC <Car models
Valve Train: SOHC 8-Valve SOHC 16-Valve SOHC 16-Valve DOHC 16V DOHC 16V VTEC
Engine Type D15B2 D15B2 D16A6 D16A8 B16A(ZCG)
Horsepower @ rpm 62 @ 4500 92 @ 6000 108 @ 6000 130*@ 6800 160*@ 7600

Edit: Trimmed it.

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post Aug 10, 2004 - 12:44 AM
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crx....i eat them everyday...
anyways..i raced a crx before with my GT and i barely lost to him... i mean..c'mon our cars isn't that heavy...is it?


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post Aug 10, 2004 - 12:46 AM
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ST/GT's are around 2,7k lbs & Converts are 2.8k lbs. The most a CRX has weighted are the 91' crx's with 2,1klbs compared to 1,7k from the first year made.

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Edit: Double post, sorry.

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QUOTE (Meonspeed @ Aug 9, 2004 - 10:46 PM)
ST/GT's are around 2,7k lbs & Converts are 2.8k lbs. The most a CRX has weighted are the 91' crx's with 2,1klbs

according to edmunds.com... our car is 2500ish...Lbs


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post Aug 10, 2004 - 12:48 AM
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Well it's probably right since the #'s where off the top of my head except for the crx weights since I checked them while getting the list of hp differences between the models.

Edit: Weights of crx's

WEIGHT HF DX Si DOHC VTEC
1985 (lb/kg) 1713/778 1819/826 1883/855
1986 (lb/kg) 1713/778 1819/826 1953/886
1987 (lb/kg) 1713/778 1865/847 1978/898
1988 (lb/kg) 1819/826 1922/873 2017/916
1989 (lb/kg) 1834/851 2048/930 2138/970
1990 (lb/kg) 1967/893 2103/954 2174/987
1991 (lb/kg) 1967/893 2103/954 2174/987

Showed no weight for the last 2 but they cant be too far from the ones shown.

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post Aug 10, 2004 - 1:13 AM
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Ummm... you'll get smacked bad. I don't even know why it would even be in question... FYI: The CRX's NEVER came stock with a DOHC Vtec motor (not in the US at least), which is most likely a B16A. It's gotta be a swap. Anyways... they DON'T NEED TORQUE. Torque is a pointless argument for those who at least want to compare something the Celica does have to something the B16A or Honda motors in general... do Not. It's a pointless argument... why? cause Honda trannies are geared REALLY short... they fly through their low-end band like nothing and will PULL CONSTANTLY in the high-end... so their overall torque band is not even used that much in a race situtation. A B16A swapped CRX is almost a GURANTEED 14 second car... so you'll be beat, bad. Very very bad. WHy do I know... because we at Thao's Smog and Automotive recently put together a B16A powered 95 Civic coupe... which weighs in the 2300-2400 pound neighborhood... and that sucker pulls like mad. It has not been tracked yet, but it can put 3 cars EASY on my MR2... which is a high-15 second car...


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post Aug 10, 2004 - 1:58 AM
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a b16 swap into a crx or civic dx hatch is no joke at all

one took me by suprise in my WRX. 1st and 2nd i had him bad, but if we started from 3rd, i could barely keep up, 4th, he was gone.

then we came at a light, so i just planned to take off quickly, not launch, lights started changing

he revved it up real high, i expected him to light up one tire as i left him behind

but when he dumped it, it chirped the tires a bit and just took off. i let off halfway through 2nd, because i knew i was out of the area where i had the huge advantage, lol

i pulled along side him and asked him what he had

1995 civc dx hatch, gutted with a b16 swap and all the external bolt ons. not to mention he was a small guy and his GF was small too.

in my car were 2 of my friends and my fat ass, lol ~650lbs of human meat in the car.

do i hate myself, no, under better circumstances(ie, my heavy and big friends not in the car) im dead positive my car was faster from a stop

but dont underestimate hondas, i did, and my friends dont let me forget it.


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post Aug 10, 2004 - 2:41 AM
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QUOTE (97sccelica @ Aug 10, 2004 - 6:58 AM)
a b16 swap into a crx or civic dx hatch is no joke at all

but dont underestimate hondas, i did, and my friends dont let me forget it.

True that... just the other night (Saturday) one of my car buddies ran his Toda LSVTEC Civic Hatch for the first time since rebuilding... and it was simply awesome. The overlap just sounds awesome... He could probably throw down a 13 second pass... considering he beat a S/C 5.0... but yeah... don't underestimate (some) Honda motors with bolt-ons... ;]


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post Aug 10, 2004 - 5:17 AM
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you guys forgot to bring up the idea that the gt redline is around 5800 while the b16A is 8200 rpm.. so that is around 2400 rpm more he gets in 1st gear.. while the GT is bogging in second gear. And you have to remember the peak power for the b16 is at the highest RPM while with the GT's peak power is around 5k I'm not too sure about the 5sfe engine cuz i dont own one. But My friend does own a b16A1 91 CRX si so i know loads of info on them.

Don't even try racing him save your gas.
post Aug 10, 2004 - 7:06 AM
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The other week I raced a B16 swapped 97/98 Civic hatch and it wasnt all that impressive, then again i have a 3s so its a lil diferent, but if i was with the 5s he woulda won.


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post Aug 10, 2004 - 9:33 AM
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lol - you'll get spanked

But DO NOT FORGET - you'll still look better at the finishline- even in 2nd place. You'll need a turbo at FWHP of 200 to keep up/beat a b16c3/5 swapped rex. Things are incredibly light, have higher HP, and top end in no mans land. Think about it. A STOCK Honda Civic EX. Its SOHC and has roughly 10 less HP. That car and a Celica GT are about even. Now add a DOHC and boost HP up 40, then drop 300lbs.... now you'll be reading the letters of a 15 year car through your front windshield.
post Aug 10, 2004 - 9:49 AM
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QUOTE (Hanyo @ Aug 10, 2004 - 10:17 AM)
you guys forgot to bring up the idea that the gt redline is around 5800 while the b16A is 8200 rpm.. so that is around 2400 rpm more he gets in 1st gear

Doesn't a GT redline at around the same spot as an ST @ 6500 RPM or so??? Not to say it will make a difference, but I'm pretty sure it's at least around or in the 6's
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QUOTE (turboinduction @ Aug 10, 2004 - 10:33 AM)
lol - you'll get spanked

But DO NOT FORGET - you'll still look better at the finishline- even in 2nd place. You'll need a turbo at FWHP of 200 to keep up/beat a b16c3/5 swapped rex. Things are incredibly light, have higher HP, and top end in no mans land. Think about it. A STOCK Honda Civic EX. Its SOHC and has roughly 10 less HP. That car and a Celica GT are about even. Now add a DOHC and boost HP up 40, then drop 300lbs.... now you'll be reading the letters of a 15 year car through your front windshield.

I disagree with this, 200whp is alot, i think u can win with alot less than that. I mean I have ~240 at the crank and I literally stomped on him without downshifting or ne thing, so I think u can def. win with less than 200 at the wheels.


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post Aug 10, 2004 - 10:09 AM
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lol, "you still look better at the finish line" Cuz that's what racing is all about right? Who looks better?

Once again Kwanza beats me to it. Yes, he'd own you like it was his job.
I barely beat my friends's early 90s (CB7 chassis) F22 accord. I have time slips of us at the track and it was crazy close.

Edit: Just so you know, F22's dont have vtec, and are sohc

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Yeah they redline at 6400rpm not 5800...check your redline marks on your tach man.

And trust me, dont underestimate CRX's. They're quick little cars. My WRX stock had problems at times running to the quarter with one and my first RX7 even had one CRX slip by it...so they are quick. Like everyone else said, don't waste your time or gas cuz you have no shot.


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post Aug 10, 2004 - 10:33 AM
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QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Aug 10, 2004 - 10:04 AM)
QUOTE (turboinduction @ Aug 10, 2004 - 10:33 AM)
lol - you'll get spanked

But DO NOT FORGET - you'll still look better at the finishline- even in 2nd place.  You'll need a turbo at FWHP of 200 to keep up/beat a b16c3/5 swapped rex.  Things are incredibly light, have higher HP, and top end in no mans land.  Think about it.  A STOCK Honda Civic EX.  Its SOHC and has roughly 10 less HP.  That car and a Celica GT are about even.  Now add a DOHC and boost HP up 40, then drop 300lbs.... now you'll be reading the letters of a 15 year car through your front windshield.

I disagree with this, 200whp is alot, i think u can win with alot less than that. I mean I have ~240 at the crank and I literally stomped on him without downshifting or ne thing, so I think u can def. win with less than 200 at the wheels.

I agree with you. 200 WHP is alot. I said 200 Flywheel HP, but stated it as FWHP. I guess you could misunderstand that as Front-Wheel. Bad abbr.


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lol, "you still look better at the finish line" Cuz that's what racing is all about right? Who looks better?

Damn straight. It really comes down to the size of the stereo.

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QUOTE (snadman @ Aug 10, 2004 - 8:30 AM)
Yeah they redline at 6400rpm not 5800...check your redline marks on your tach man.

No use goin to red line though. Peak power hits at 5.6k.
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I've ridden in a '88 Civic sedan with a B16A with cams, exhaust, header, cold air intake, lightened flywheel, and a stage three clutch, and man that thing pulled hard. I'm not sure how fast it is on the track, but I'm sure it would smoke my car.

I've also ridden in a '92 Civic coupe with a B16A with intake and exhaust, and I think it'd be a very close race between him and I. He told me to call him when I go to the track and he'll race me there, because he thought my car was about the same as his too. Too bad I've got a battery in the trunk without an externally-mounted kill switch, otherwise I'd definitely hit the track and race him. smile.gif

But yeah, Honda's DOHC VTEC engines are no joke. They're really good engines that are pretty quick.


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As talking about this subject of the b16's.. My buddies has a del-sol V-tec, stock with the b16 .. An his car is quick.. you think I would own him with a 3s-ge, non beams.. Cause his is quick enough for me.. but i would also love to beat him..
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QUOTE (turboinduction @ Aug 10, 2004 - 11:33 AM)
I agree with you. 200 WHP is alot. I said 200 Flywheel HP, but stated it as FWHP. I guess you could misunderstand that as Front-Wheel. Bad abbr.

Yeah thats what i thought you meant, misunderstood.


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QUOTE (Digndoug @ Aug 10, 2004 - 12:10 PM)
As talking about this subject of the b16's.. My buddies has a del-sol V-tec, stock with the b16 .. An his car is quick.. you think I would own him with a 3s-ge, non beams.. Cause his is quick enough for me.. but i would also love to beat him..

I think u'd lose.


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I raced my friends del sol Vtech. Yep, I lost. 3-4 cars me thinks. Till the top of third gear. Every time she hit high RPMs she pulled away like crazy.

EDIT: I might have lost by more.

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ya know, i raced a civic si the other day, and he BARLEY beet me, MAYBE a half of car length, and he didn't have that on me the whole time, we where teetering back and forth. i have a 95 st, if that helps anyone any.
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QUOTE (psyko @ Aug 10, 2004 - 9:47 PM)
ya know, i raced a civic si the other day, and he BARLEY beet me, MAYBE a half of car length, and he didn't have that on me the whole time, we where teetering back and forth. i have a 95 st, if that helps anyone any.

99+ model?

if so, if probably wasnt really an SI


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"Si" via auto store on a DX

Edit: Si almost has double the HP as your car

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Edit: Si almost has double the HP as your car


ya it was that body style(99), had an si sticker on the back, redlined at 7, i don't know of any other civic that does that, and the speedometer went kinda high i think it was like 160. and they aren't double the hp, they have like 160. an st on paper has 115. and the si's torque is ass, it's like 110, i have more then that. either way it was close, they aren't that fast so to the dude that started this post, go for it. turboinduction, if u dont' believe me check it : http://www.clubcivic.com/board/specs.php
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QUOTE (psyko @ Aug 11, 2004 - 4:31 PM)
ya it was that body style(99), had an si sticker on the back, redlined at 7, i don't know of any other civic that does that, and the speedometer went kinda high i think it was like 160. and they aren't double the hp, they have like 160. an st on paper has 115. and the si's torque is ass, it's like 110, i have more then that. either way it was close, they aren't that fast so to the dude that started this post, go for it. turboinduction, if u dont' believe me check it : http://www.clubcivic.com/board/specs.php

99+ Civic SI's don't redline at 7k...


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The guy in the 99 Si could have been a sucky driver tho. A sorry driver can make any fast car drive like garbage. Unless its auto, then they just floor it.
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Well I have a problem I got a crx turbo wanting to race all I know right now is that it has a t3 intercooler at 6-7 boost and striped inside what you think my chances are??? confused.gif also i add a underdrive pulley bigger mid pipe and up the boost to 6.5 -7


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QUOTE (psyko @ Aug 11, 2004 - 11:31 AM)
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Edit: Si almost has double the HP as your car


ya it was that body style(99), had an si sticker on the back, redlined at 7, i don't know of any other civic that does that, and the speedometer went kinda high i think it was like 160. and they aren't double the hp, they have like 160. an st on paper has 115. and the si's torque is ass, it's like 110, i have more then that. either way it was close, they aren't that fast so to the dude that started this post, go for it. turboinduction, if u dont' believe me check it : http://www.clubcivic.com/board/specs.php

Civic Si (1999)

HP -160
MAX HP - 7600
TRQ -111
MAX TRQ - 7000
0-60 7.2 Seconds
Curb Weight - 2601

Celica ST (1995)

HP -110
MAX HP -5600
TRQ 115
MAX TRQ -2800
0-60 10.1 Seconds
Curb Weight -2415


Now comes the year differences. Your model is a 1995 whereas this Civic must of been a 1999 or 2000. Hondas put considerable power to the wheels in reference to their flywheel horse power. They have incredible top end power (note the max HP at 7600rpm). Your car has aged and the difference WHEEL HP is a guess at 60-65. So let me rephrase and say that a Si will have 60-70% more power than a 95 ST. Initial torque of both is almost identical, however the max trq for the Celica comes very fast. If I were to guess how this match would look, it would go like this:

Both start
Civic will pull forward
Celica will pull towards front of civic (not quite there)
Celica will shift
Civic will hit VTEC and top end
Celica will squint to read Civic license plate

Not that I like Civics (because I dont) but you cant expect to believe a base model Celica from the mid-90's will beat a 2000 top model Si. If this were the case my GT should keep up with the S2000.


EDIT: I'm not trying to call you a liar Psyko, but alot of people on the website claim they can beat all kinds of impossible cars. "I beat a GSX, Type-R integra" etc etc. It may of been a young kid with no driving experience. In this case, I can beat them with a slower car just due to strong differences in driving abilities, though a highly unlikely case.

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well I friend of mine that has a CRX and unless you have swap done he'd clean your clock bro, sorry. The CRX has more potential for speed it vey light(the lightest car honda made) canhold a more powerful engine. Sorry but I am just being honest. Next to the celica it is one my favorite cars.


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post Aug 11, 2004 - 7:21 PM
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my best friend is getting rid of his b16a crx right now. he has intake and exhaust on it. off the line my torque gets me about half a car length ahead of him but after that he is out, and he is using a b18 tranny longer gears, if he had a b16 tranny he would smoke me even worse. i have intake wires and exhaust. if you are racing a b16 crx you WILL lose. i promise. unless he doesnt know how to drive...
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EDIT: I'm not trying to call you a liar Psyko, but alot of people on the website claim they can beat all kinds of impossible cars. "I beat a GSX, Type-R integra" etc etc. It may of been a young kid with no driving experience. In this case, I can beat them with a slower car just due to strong differences in driving abilities, though a highly unlikely case.


let me start u are completly right, i agree with u, but i didn't say i won, i lost, i just didn't loose by much, which surprised the f*ck outta me. i was going into thinking i would be smoked, everyone was surprised actually and the race went like this

I had a MASSIVE jump start i was like 2 car lengths in front of him
he hits second catches up his nose is where my door handle is
we hit third around the same time, at this point i'm where his door handle is
and pretty much stay there, the race ends with me at about his rear tire.

now i don't know how it happened, but thats what happened, if u don't believe me or any one else does whatever no biggie. i'll i'm saying is that i just thought i would be OWNED and i wasn't so, i'm telling who ever started this post to give it a try, u never know. and i don't personally think he was a ****ty driver, i just think he might of had a bad start, i had a 100% golden start it was a amazing. oh ya and i just replaced my clutch the day before, that helped alot, makes a big diff.

but it was the most fun i've had in a long time, and my take on racing is if it's a good race i don't mind loosing. I thought it was a good race, and he was a really cool guy. my two cents.
post Aug 12, 2004 - 12:57 AM
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QUOTE (celimanST @ Aug 11, 2004 - 10:41 PM)
The CRX has more potential for speed it vey light(the lightest car honda made) canhold a more powerful engine.

i thought the 1979 honda civic was the lightest car honda ever made.
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I think you've got to consider the distance of the race, too. If it's stoplight to stoplight, the Si wouldn't win by as much, but in an 1/8 or 1/4 mile, it would probably leave us way behind.
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thanks alot for the comments.. Im getting a new stage 2 clutch, and some custom made headers... I talked to the guy with the CRX and we are still going to race.. Mostly for fun. Might as well... It'll be fun either way.

I figured from the begining that it wouldnt be much of a race being that its a light ass CRX and all, but i really just wanted to know how close it would be. NOT just be told i was going to lose...

O and note: I used to have a Civic and a CRX. I know they didnt come stock with the DOHCVtec... Thats for whom ever it was that said that, thinking i had no idea what i was talking about.


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QUOTE (Dtown_GT @ Aug 12, 2004 - 1:18 PM)
O and note: I used to have a Civic and a CRX. I know they didnt come stock with the DOHCVtec... Thats for whom ever it was that said that, thinking i had no idea what i was talking about.

It depends on the type of Civic and CRX. Although highly unlikely to find one imported into the US, the CRX siR came with the DOHC VTEC B16A. '99-'00 USDM Civic SIs also came with the DOHC VTEC B16A. wink.gif


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QUOTE (Dtown_GT @ Aug 12, 2004 - 8:18 PM)
O and note: I used to have a Civic and a CRX. I know they didnt come stock with the DOHCVtec... Thats for whom ever it was that said that, thinking i had no idea what i was talking about.

Heh... It was me...

based on your question... what was I supposed to think... rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE (turboinduction @ Aug 11, 2004 - 5:52 PM)

Civic Si (1999)

HP -160
MAX HP - 7600
TRQ -111
MAX TRQ - 7000
0-60  7.2 Seconds
Curb Weight - 2601

Celica ST (1995)

HP -110
MAX HP -5600 "<<"
TRQ 115
MAX TRQ -2800
0-60  10.1 Seconds
Curb Weight -2415

lol god, wouldn't that be nice?! @ max hp confused.gif tongue.gif

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QUOTE (Coomer @ Aug 12, 2004 - 12:24 PM)
QUOTE (Dtown_GT @ Aug 12, 2004 - 1:18 PM)
O and note: I used to have a Civic and a CRX. I know they didnt come stock with the DOHCVtec... Thats for whom ever it was that said that, thinking i had no idea what i was talking about.

It depends on the type of Civic and CRX. Although highly unlikely to find one imported into the US, the CRX siR came with the DOHC VTEC B16A. '99-'00 USDM Civic SIs also came with the DOHC VTEC B16A. wink.gif

there is a CRX SiR parked outside the shop that did my ST-T down pipe biggrin.gif


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sorry i was just pointing out i had a civic and a CRX and that i knew the AMERICAN (hehe) CRX didnt come stock with that type of VTec... i should of specified


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The CRX has more potential for speed it vey light(the lightest car honda made) canhold a more powerful engine. 


i thought the 1979 honda civic was the lightest car honda ever made.


Well, I am quoting a friend of mine he is not a ricer he spends all of time try to get more horse power out his CRX.

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QUOTE (turboinduction @ Aug 10, 2004 - 2:33 PM)
lol - you'll get spanked

But DO NOT FORGET - you'll still look better at the finishline- even in 2nd place. You'll need a turbo at FWHP of 200 to keep up/beat a b16c3/5 swapped rex. Things are incredibly light, have higher HP, and top end in no mans land. Think about it. A STOCK Honda Civic EX. Its SOHC and has roughly 10 less HP. That car and a Celica GT are about even. Now add a DOHC and boost HP up 40, then drop 300lbs.... now you'll be reading the letters of a 15 year car through your front windshield.

ok
im not trying to be a dick or anything, but i just thought i should clarify that there is no b16c3/5. there is only b16a/a1/a2/a3/a4/b. i think you are talking about the b18c5, but there is no c3. the b18c5 is from the type r.

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