 Well, really need some options guys..., Got one offer that ruined my plans... |
 Aug 17, 2004 - 5:18 AM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%)  |
Well, today i'v got a call from one guy who owns the MR2 and was ready to put the 3S-GTE in it.. BUT.... He just bought the 5 gen Carlos Saints Alltrack, and he is selling his 3S...
Well, after some talking, he tolds me that his MR2 is powered by 4A red top. And he is starting to ask about my turbo kit that i have, and he offers me to trade my kit (not in whole, cuz i spent so much money and time on it) to his 3S engine and other stuff... Basicly the engine is from JDM ST165. Actually its one engine in full, rebuild, with port&polish, and other stuff + he gives me another head of 3S-GTE with intake and exhaust manifold. 2 wiring hardness, 1 ECU and etc. the stuff that i would be missing is axels and gearbox from 3SGE (its not a big problem). But the engine is missing the turbo CT26 cuz the housing of turbine is cracked. So i would need a new turbo. So i started to think about this deal... is it worth to trade my turbo kit to this or not? Cuz as far as i know the ST165 had 185 hp only? so the potensial of this engine is not that big i think... actually my goal would be to get about 220 whp, and i would be satified... Well, guys hit me up, i need some options... Thanks, Romas -------------------- Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...
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Aug 17, 2004 - 5:44 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '02 From Webster Ma. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
the ct26 u can get cheap. i got mine for 75 bucks. thats also 185hp at stock boost level. sounds worth it. less problems for you turboing the st.
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Aug 17, 2004 - 7:12 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
bleh i would lay off the 165 man.
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Aug 17, 2004 - 7:15 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
you mean i should get it? even if its 165? -------------------- Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...
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Aug 17, 2004 - 7:46 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 30, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hey Romas....is it hard for you to get a 3SGE or a 3SGTE at your country??
I mean here is Cyprus its easy to find engines for Swap,for almost all kind of cars....... I think you should make your one turbo setup as you were thinking. 
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Aug 17, 2004 - 8:48 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
165 motor really isnt worth it, you will find the dated technology doesnt have the same capability as the later versions.
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Aug 17, 2004 - 8:50 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
so you guys say screw this? and dont even think about this??
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Aug 17, 2004 - 8:52 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
yup, its a bit hard... 3SGTE is imposible to find... about 3SGE it is a bit easyer... but still they are not so popular... i thought about getting 6 gen GT4 front clip from japan, but i have to first sell my kit to get some money... well, im waiting for pictures of that engine, after that it will be easyer to deside... -------------------- Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...
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Aug 17, 2004 - 9:04 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
ok, got some pics:
     As from the pics it looks good... there are a lot of other stuff still unclear... well.... desidions desidions.... -------------------- Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...
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Aug 17, 2004 - 9:13 AM
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ehmm... human been never satisfy... when you ll get 220 you ll want more.. i have 300 bhp i want more.. the one who has 500 bhp wants more...  --------------------  |
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Aug 17, 2004 - 9:13 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
the 3sgte is impossible to find here too....thats why we import them!
doing a custom turbo can have mixed results and you will always worry about your car. ive seen many setups that ran great for a while and then the motor died from the added boost. the st165 would be a better idea, since you are getting a factory tuned turbo engine, but doing a swap is a lot of work, and you may not be satisfied with how much power it gives you. my opinion: if you are going to do it, do it right. get a 2nd or 3rd gen 3sgte. -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Aug 17, 2004 - 9:18 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 30, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Romas!!!The engine looks to be in very good condition!!!...Hmmmm.....
try to get the 3SGE or a GT4 front clip:) |
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Aug 17, 2004 - 9:30 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
There are many posts on celica.net that suggest not getting an ST165 for a variety of reasons. I would go there and do a search.
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Aug 17, 2004 - 9:46 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
No I meant dont get it. -------------------- |
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Aug 17, 2004 - 10:41 AM
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forget the CT26.. get a newer turbo
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Aug 17, 2004 - 10:50 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I'd say go for it. Reason being -
Option 1: you turbo your ST. ST blows up. No engine, no turbo. Option 2: you swap 165 into ST. 165 doesn't work or blows up. Put ST engine back in and you still have a engine to drive the car with. Kindof like John did with his 4A project. That engine doesn't look too bad either, plus it'll give you great insight if you ever plan on doing another swap besides the Celica. Good luck Romas. |
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Aug 17, 2004 - 9:18 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 13, '03 From California Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
didnt the st165 have a bad cooling problem?
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Aug 17, 2004 - 10:54 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ct26 is a ****ty turbo, that thing looks in great condition doggy, its your call man, even though the 165 has less potential than the other gens, its still got more than a 7afe, and if its really that rare to find, and its in that condition, you may want to snatch that
 and john didnt have a spare motor to put back in the celica lol he had to go pick a new one up cuz he sold his old one -------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Aug 18, 2004 - 1:20 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
well, if i get this engine, im going with T3/T4 turbo instead of CT26... im going with custom manifold too.. so that aint gonna be a problem... Still dont know about this engine.... shizz.... some say dont get it, some say get it..... shizzz.... if only i could get my hands on 2 gen... that would be the shiz. well. gonna let you all know jow this turns out. -------------------- Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...
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Aug 18, 2004 - 3:09 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 24, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hey doggy,
the 165 is too old im my opinion. I think you will be getting in new troubles. Just save up for an ST205 Clip. At least if it was the ST185 i would consider it but the ST165 is too old. Since you are so far ahead withyour turbo project, i would invest in some forged internals to increase the reliability of the engine as is rather than getting in new kind of trouble. |
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