CARBONFIBER HATCH, FOR THE 6th gen CELICA Options

[playr158]

hey, thanks to OREO i believe we came aware to the ALL carbonfiber hatch for the supra. well i talked to the guy personally via IM and asked about a celica one.
he said "i am open to anything new" and is willing to work with us on this.
He is willing to create a 100% carbonfiber rear hatch for the 94-99 toyota celica HATCHBACK....no coupes or verts....sorry you want that you need to contact them lol.....but if you are interested please reply as i told him i'd try and get a list going. he is currently backed up right now but i told him i was just doin some information recon. the ruff weight is 9lbs(the supra was) you can hold it with your pinky finger.... they have NO ruff cuts its all smooth and VERY WELL constructed please check out the link for the supra as a referance to the product....
they sell the supra for 880$ so expect a relativitly good sticker price on this...maybe we can get him to do better if i get a good sized group in on this
http://cianciperformance.com/exterior/hatch/supra/

This post has been edited by playr158: Sep 9, 2004 - 5:04 PM

[nik]

i would be interested but i would like my c-one vis hood first

[gtf0ur]

wow.. thats really nice..

[kevstir]

thats a big weight saving if u have a carbon fiber bonnet and hatch

[initialdrift55]

oh my god bad f***** ass put me on list hopefully price isnt to steep..

1.Person who started this
2.Initialdrift55

[redtcel]

[97Celica]

I'd be interested...

[rjbibeau]

count me in for shizzle my bizzle

[Jen]

I might be in depending on price.

[psyko]

NEVER MIND just realized u where talking about the whole hatch, not just the spoiler .

This post has been edited by psyko: Sep 9, 2004 - 9:46 PM

[Jen]

I do have a question. What about the glass? How hard would it be to transfer the glass from our hatch to the new cf one? Or does it come with the glass? From the pics, it looks as if it doesn't.

[redtcel]

it shouldnt be very hard, but if you are going with a cf hatch then you would probably get something lighter than your stock glass. like say plexiglass? is that lighter? lol umm... what else.... clear plastic like from plastic bags.... lol just kidding...

[Defgeph]

I kinda like my rear wiper.... dont know i might be in

[Consynx]

$880?
say 600 and ill be very interested...
is there a way we could find out price say 15ppl joined? 20? n such

[playr158]

yea i can talk to the guy tomorrow....since this is in the very baby stages i can't get a defenite price obviously....but your stock glass will glue in just as it does on your stock hatch....the weight savings is awesome and i think will be very worth it

[Jen]

Ehhh.. if there's no wiper.. I'm out. I really love that thing. But if there is.. I'M IN! Still depending on price though.

[playr158]

i can have the guy build in the rear wiper

maybe we can work it out to be an option to have the hole for the rear wiper or not to have it

[Consynx]

no no...rear wiper sux!

use Rain-X

if you really want it, iunno about c/f but im guessing you can just drill through it(since ive seen ppl put the hood pins through theirs)

[1bwilson]

There's a guy on the MR2 boards that lays CF and he would also take on this job. If someone talks to him you might get a better price.

[SilverCell94]

im in

[Consynx]

im in 90% now
i will sell the TRD spoiler if this goes through.

[initialdrift55]

i really hope this actual buy goes thru because im sooo in for it

[playr158]

1) initialdrift55
2) consynx
3)silvercell94
4)jen
5)def
6)redtcel
7) 97celica
8) rjbibeau

This post has been edited by playr158: Sep 12, 2004 - 11:02 PM

[Consynx]

the material is called Lexane
i was talking to this abouta bud, and he said Lexane is a real light glass-like material...what they use in Nascar.

[SilverCell94]

where are we up to in this?? whats the price again and if everyting goes through how long will it take to produce?

[Consynx]

btw, id much rather go with a company that does this so if there's any problems its not too hard to get the $ back...

[PhillyGuy086]

lexan is a great material...i use it for a bunch of projects i do for random stuff...extremely strong and nearly unbreakable...i dunno how the defroster would work on it though...that might be tricky...also puting tints on it might be interesting...depending on how much this ends up being i might be in for it later on down the road when im not a broke a$$ college student

[playr158]

ok well i'm just waiting to see how many people are interested by the end of the week....that is the 18th of september then i will contact the company and talk to him in more depth about this project.....the supra sells for 880$ so i'm goin to try and get 600-700$

[Consynx]

also, how strong will this be
there's something wrong with my hatch it seems to where ive always had to slam it kind of hard to close all the way.

i just dont want to crush it when i give a little elbow grease

im not 100% keep that in mind

This post has been edited by Consynx: Sep 13, 2004 - 3:54 PM

[creis]

I'm a maybe, I really want that but for $880 its just not in gana happen, for a lower price im in.

[playr158]

yea defentily trying for less than 800$ and it will be strong enough to put some elbow grease on

[initialdrift55]

if its 600 or lower for sure i can save the money for it

[jbrads]

Hmm i would really like one of these but i'm in the UK how would shipping work?

Not 100% yet

[playr158]

the company would just add that shipping cost to your total then send it directly to you

[neoklis]

Just an advice guys. its the glass thats really heavy not the metal part.

[playr158]

yes the glass is heavy, but still the switch to the carbonfiber will be benificial to the overal performance of the car....any weight cut on these cars helps a good amount i mean even a difference of 100 lbs is noticalble in my car....thats 1 person.....so any weight reduction helps

[snakeloa]

i would be interested.... if the price won't be to high....

Same thing with shipping (to germany)

Jörch

[redtcel]

im out for now... moving into a new apt... cant afford much. sorry guys

[RedSunCelica]

this will be a good price and 800 is usually what the ruff price range is so dont expect it to drop to much. but depending on WHEN you need the money depends if im in or not.

[Speeder]

This looks nice!

How much lbs are the original hatch?

[SilverCell94]

any updates yet??

[playr158]

crap sorry i'vebeen busi lately i'll get incontact with him soon in the next few days....how many people would be in on this? in need alist so people make a list so i can give it to the guy

[Delta_Phoenix]

I'm in depending on price and when the money will be needed. A couple questions that haven't been addressed...

1. Will the defroster still be functional?
2. Will holes be drilled for the spoiler?

Or possibly, could you get him to make a factory style CF spoiler? I'm not going without my spoiler, and I'm not sure how a black spoiler would look on a CF hatch.

[playr158]

if the spoiler is an option you will have to use your stock spoiler and just attach it in the predrilled holes........yes teh defroster will still work cause you just switch the glass over

[LatinKraze]

I wonder if the light weight would cause some rattle. Any info on how the MK-IV guys like it?

[playr158]

ok i just talked to him for a very little bit b4 i went out to dinner. he said he would reinforce the area were the spoiler would go but he would leave it shaved so that you would have to make your own spoiler holes but that is just as simple as whipping out your drill and drilling through........so let me know who would be info for doing it this way

[SilverCell94]

[playr158]

CIANCI Ryan: Just checked it out. I would say I can start on your guys hatch in 35 days. And when I start it will take apx 2.5-3mo
CIANCI Ryan: when 35 days comes up, I will take 100.00 deposits twards the hatch, when the mold is completed and we get the first unit ready I will collect the rest
CIANCI Ryan: retail will be 690 on the hatch
CIANCI Ryan: if we can get 15 people, I will do 590 on the hatch + 155 S/H to anywhere in the u.s


that is the deal with this
i just need people who are serious and are willing to get in so make a list

[initialdrift55]

very very nice...dude i hope 15 people get on this thats a pretty good price....

1.Initialdrift55

[eclipse_04a]

ok, well then if the people that are in for the 15+ price, put (15+) after your name on the list so we know. Dont wait for it to get to 15 with people who will pay more, because then it may not happen....if you see what i mean.

[snakeloa]

Ok how much would shipping to Germany (Uk or elsewhere in Europe) be???

Thanx Joerch

[playr158]

ecplise does that mean your in?

oh european shipping usually runs 350$ us he said

This post has been edited by playr158: Sep 27, 2004 - 4:36 PM

[Defgeph]

1.Initialdrift55
2.Defgeph

[DustyBurns30]

1.Initialdrift55
2.Defgeph
3.Dustyburns30 (15+)


i can't pass this up, this opportunity WILL never come around again. playr, are you going to post this up in the buying/selling forum? i rarely come in to this board, so you may get a faster responce out there. also, who will be receiving our down payments and final payments; you or the cf guy?

man i hope this happens...

[SilverCell94]

im in, please double check with the company and see how their carbon fiber quality is.

ask questions such as:

what if their is a defect, such as "mushed" or "swirly" weaves where their be a refund or exhange?

how many layers of clear coat will there be and is it UV protected

will the carbon fiber fade?

[playr158]

their quality is good....and i'll make sure that it will be a refund or exchange deal worked out if any defects arise.....uv protection will defenitly be a yes on your list of things and i'll ask about the clear coat and talk to him about all of it

[ghostdog]

might want to get a price for 5 or 10 people in the group buy. I hate to say it but I doubt 15 people is attainable and even if you do get that number theres always those that back out. good luck man, if this goes through its gonna be one hell of a sweet addition to your cars.

[pxcr440]

you might want ot try posting this on celica .net , i know most 6th gens there hang out here as well but if you can pick up 1 or 2 that would help , i am not in yet but thinkign about it

[creis]

If I can come up with the money I'm in (I should be able to,) But for now I gata say no.

[Exile04]

well i wounder how it will look on a black car i dont know i might be up for it but not for sure... cuz cuz i kinda have other stuff to get bodykit, blue paint job, engien rebuild stuff liek that but man if they still have some next summer im up for it

[DustyBurns30]

[Delta_Phoenix]

Count me in. I'll postpone Project "Pimp The Celica" until this goes through or falls through.

[playr158]

this will go through i'm goin to make sure of that and i think it will look great on a black car mine is black and i wanna get it not sure if i'll have the money but i'll try and get it so we have what 3 people righ tnow?

[celicaracer18]

hey i will prolly be in, money isn't the issue, i have the money for it, i can post pone a payment on my car (family loans are awsome).
however this depends on a few things:
1. will it rattle, (i won't have any subs for a while, but def. will in the
future and when i do get some i will be getting alot, however they will
prolly only get cranked up at shows when the hatch is open)
2. will it be able to support an aftermarket spoiler (one that has two
mounts closer tothe center, not on the outside, the spoiler i'm getting
will be cf, but i want to know if it can hold up an aluminum spoiler)
3. what about the glass, i want to get lexan if i get this but where can i
get it, and how would tint go on, approx how much would it cost for a
lexan back glass and the small ones on the side

i'm not worried about the wiper or defroster, i would rather not have those anyways
and one more thing how hard would it be to get screens molded to it (at the bottom of the hatch) or at least places for screens to go in the future

[playr158]

1) it shouldn't rattle at least not more than stock...same mounting points as stock just as tight(but in anycase you should use dynomat for competition amount of bass)

2) yes it will support an aftermarket spoiler, it will be reinforced all across because it will be able to be drilled for a stock/aftermarket spoiler

shouldn't be too hard to mold in tv screens just as hard as a stock hatch

plus a custom rear hatch at a show will gain HUGE bonus points with a judge

[celicaracer18]

thts what i was thinking, but it will be a while before i get the subs or tvs, and when i do, its not like i'll be competing in audio competitions, mainly just for show so it shouldn't ever get too loud,

ok so what about the glass, which is actually the most important.

[playr158]

what about the glass??? just take out the stock glass and put it in the new hatch....or you can do lexan which i know nothing about and your on your own but you'd have to get a shop to do it for you

[shadycrew31]

im down i think i need to save cash how much wil it
weigh


This post has been edited by shadycrew31: Sep 29, 2004 - 9:00 PM

[snadman]

count me as a maybe

[playr158]

they will be 12-14 lbs since they will not be infused....not infusing is take the price down for us otherwise we would pay 880$ almost but it will still be very well done it just takes a lil more resin
1) initialdrift
2)defgeph
3)dustyburns
4)delta pheonix
5)snadman
6) shadycrew

This post has been edited by playr158: Sep 29, 2004 - 10:09 PM

[playr158]

this is a discussion i had tonight with him:

CIANCI Ryan: your guys hatch would weigh around 12-14lbs
CIANCI Ryan: im not going to infuse them
CIANCI Ryan: otherwise they would be 880.00 parts
SrPlaYR158: what is infusing ?
CIANCI Ryan: you inject resin into the mold
CIANCI Ryan: in a controlled enclosed system
SrPlaYR158: mmk, what does that do the hood exactly?
SrPlaYR158: *hatch
CIANCI Ryan: it makes it very light
CIANCI Ryan: like the Supra hatch
CIANCI Ryan: uses less resin
SrPlaYR158: ah i see
CIANCI Ryan: yeah
SrPlaYR158: thats kwl
CIANCI Ryan: Yeah
CIANCI Ryan: and on the weave
CIANCI Ryan: yes, there will be some distortions
CIANCI Ryan: I use real CF, not plastic sheets with CF imprints, and fiberglass backed
CIANCI Ryan: there will always be some flaws
SrPlaYR158: mmk
SrPlaYR158: and what kinda distortions can i expect
CIANCI Ryan: the weave being a little zig zag
CIANCI Ryan: we try to keep it as straight as possible
CIANCI Ryan: but sometimes there are little snags
SrPlaYR158: yea, will it be very noticable?
CIANCI Ryan: you will see it
SrPlaYR158: do they happen in like less than an inch increments or larger liek 4 or 5"?
CIANCI Ryan: Just depsnds
CIANCI Ryan: depends
SrPlaYR158: ok
CIANCI Ryan: Im just being upfront with ya
CIANCI Ryan: Dont want to mislead you
SrPlaYR158: yea thats good
SrPlaYR158: i appreciate that
CIANCI Ryan: anyone who says they can make it 100% perfect is lying

[Defgeph]

I think you need to work on that price a little.

[MomoGST]

id buy id.. count me in..

[playr158]

1) initialdrift
2)defgeph
3)dustyburns
4)delta pheonix
5)snadman
6) shadycrew
7)momogst

[celicaracer18]

you can pretty much count me in, the only thing i am worried about is how much lexan cost, but if its real expensive, i'll just use the stock glass

anybody know approx how much lexan would cost, iv'e been researching it and can't find out how much,
i did see a site that was saying lexan may not bee good because it doesn't shatter like glass which makes it very unsafe for a windshield, but since this is for the back it won't matter, they also said it may rattle, and could turn a yellowish color from the sun, i don't like that so the favtory glass is looking better and better

[RedSunCelica]

please add me to the list and PM me when a price and location to send money is wanted.


can you guys imagine this a light weight celica no interior except for passenger and driver seat with carbon fiber hatch and add a carbon fiber hood this will be a fun light car

[playr158]

1) initialdrift
2)defgeph
3)dustyburns
4)delta pheonix
5)snadman
6) shadycrew
7)momogst
8)redsuncelica
9)celicaracer18

[shadycrew31]

umm about the lexan go to home depot and buy a big sheet and just mold it to the glass shell that you want. you will need to heat the lexan and bend it. also i need to save cash. i got boat load of bills so you might need to take me out for this one, sorry guys. unless we can work the price down, or wait about 2 months. i really want it but i mean my other bills come first.

[SilverCell94]

you forgot to put me on the list,

what about my earlier question about returns or exchanges due to major defects.

[Einhander]

I've thought about this, and it'll be a nice christmas present to Myself.

1) initialdrift
2)defgeph
3)dustyburns
4)delta pheonix
5)snadman
6) shadycrew
7)momogst
8)redsuncelica
9)celicaracer18
10) einhander

[playr158]

1) initialdrift
2)defgeph
3)dustyburns
4)delta pheonix
5)snadman
6)silvercell94
7)momogst
8)redsuncelica
9)celicaracer18
10) einhander

as for the major defects i'll talk to him about that, but i'm pretty sure he won't send us any majorly defected hatches, but i'll try and work out some form of deal regarding that...but make sure if you get in on this that you read that IM conversation i had with him so that you understand what is happening

[Einhander]

As long as the imperfections are not huge, Anything will look better than my huge dent, and folded metal, from a wreck i was in.

[celicaracer18]

yeah, i don't mind little tiny defects, but if there is a large one that can be seen from a distance, will we be able to get it replaced, i would really like to know before i send the money
and btw, about how long till we need to start sending money, just wandering, cuz the longer he better, i have it but if it ends up being a nother month i can get it without my parents questioning where my money went

[playr158]

it will be at least 3 weeks before anything starts, and it will only be 100$
and if its a big defect then i'm goin to make sure we can send it back cause that isn't right, so i'll talk to him and update in a few

[Delta_Phoenix]

the hatch is only going to be 100 bucks!?!

[SilverCell94]

[playr158]

total is like 600$ or 660$ check the first page or so

[Delta_Phoenix]

ah whatever, either way i'm still in. i'll take out a loan if i have to.

[initialdrift55]

lol imagine just 100$ lmao......kool starting to save for deposit

[Delta_Phoenix]

hehe, yeah $100. i'll take two!

[shadycrew31]

god dam i need credit it sounds so dam tempting how soon do we need that 500 bucks after the deposit 3 weeks

[playr158]

when ever it is done probably a month or so later

[playr158]

Come on guys we need 5 more people to have the price drop to 590$ from 690$
the payment details are as follows.......
deposit of 100$ PRE construction
then the final 590$ or 490$ will be due when the first FINAL unit is done and ready to ship....also shipping will cost 155$ ANYWERE in the united statese

1) initialdrift
2)defgeph
3)dustyburns
4)delta pheonix
5)snadman
6)silvercell94
7)momogst
8)redsuncelica
9)celicaracer18
10) einhander
11)??
12)??
13)??
14)??
15)??

[Consynx]

i am really interested now that i have a ruined hatch, ill keep you posted on if i can get $ or not, but since i do not have a job...i dont see this as a plus

[Consynx]

im going to take a leap here and say i am in.

I can afford $100 soon, then ill be able to gather the rest within time, so yea...im 90% in

[playr158]

) initialdrift
2)defgeph
3)dustyburns
4)delta pheonix
5)snadman
6)silvercell94
7)momogst
8)redsuncelica
9)celicaracer18
10) einhander
11)consynx
12)??
13)??
14)??
15)??

[Consynx]

Jeff, i know you are way up in NJ, but if this doesn't seem to end till near summer, would you like to save on shipping by sending to 1 address(altho i'd perfer mine because i dont drive to NJ ...
umm, if anyone else would like to save and doesn't have trust issues like i do...maybe we can get them all to go to 1 place

it would be pittsburgh
(real close to that South Park meet i met ya at)

[Consynx]

Bump.

[Defgeph]

[Consynx]

after reading this all over again, i do think we need to work on the price...
it needs to be higher

i think we should aim for $850ish shipped, WITH Infusing...
Im guessing the comments about snags and zig-zags(which has me cringing) it because he wont by used a controlled system and such...
if it's another $100 or w/e i'd be willing to pay the dif.

also, i had asked him a cpl quick questions, and he made it seem like if there's less than 15 he isn't even doing it. :\

plz double check that