My CelicavsFriend Civic EX, DAMN!!!!! Options

[hs2g]

I just got back from racing my friend. He has a 98 civic EX and I was in a 97 celica convertable. I Launched at 4000RPM is that a good launch RPM? I would always get him off the line but then at the end of 2nd and 3rd he pulled on me and was about a fender ahead. Then it was like that throughout the race.

I'm piss now because I know my car could beat it. I have only been driving a manual for 2 months and he has been driving for maybe a year.

GOD VTEC CAUSED ME TOO LOOSE

I'm gonna take out the spare next time i race him. If that really matters

Any tips you guys have on me driving a little better is very appreciated.

This post has been edited by hs2g: Sep 15, 2004 - 9:53 PM

[NYCelica]

Street Racing No Good!

[hs2g]

Yeah I know its bad and I rarely race my car because I know its not really that fast but it was just a fun thing to do we only had 3 races and it was on a lighted very wide road out in the country( well sorta).

This post has been edited by hs2g: Sep 15, 2004 - 10:05 PM

[Digndoug]

sorry, but i really dont think you could beat him.. but then again I did beat my friend witch has a 93 si ...but that also cause the car has a lot of mile on it...

[hs2g]

Damn it was only by a fender. I'm planning on getting one of the CAI intakes that 95celGT makes pretty soon. See how well that turns out.

[97sccelica]

4krpm launch?

i bet you had a lot of wheelspin

[hs2g]

[boosted_K2]

the ex doesnt have VTEC lol

[hs2g]

What do you mean it doesn't have Vtec? All Ex's has Vtec. Are you making a joke or are you serious?

[boosted_K2]

i stand corrected after looking it up, i jumped the gun on that one, just shows i know toyotas, not hondas. but anyways it still doesnt excuse that you lost to it lol try doing a tune up and replacing your filters plugs and wires, a 4k launch should be more than enough, how bad did you loose traction? if you got any more than just a minor wheel spin back it off a bit.

take the racing to the track! though im sure at those speeds no one could tell you were racing (and yes, that was a joke )

[hs2g]

lol I rarely race on the streets or even race at all. It was just a quick thing to see who's car was faster.

[frosty]

I say take it to a track, you may be ok now but there is still the next time. (don't mean to sound like a parent )

I hate it when I go in town and some civic, mustang, or s-10 revs and guns it. I want to race so bad!!!! I love it. I've been good though, I haven't done it for almost a year now!

[boosted_K2]

the worst is when you are in the turn lane turning left and some cavalier with vynal and a custom dual exhaust hits the rev limiter in neutral then slams it into drive and he creeps by... hahahahaha

[hs2g]

I know that street racing is a bad idea, and i'm saying a rarely race my car. There are a lot of teenage and college students racing in my town on friday and saturday night but I never attend. We would have taken it to the tracks but it was 930 PM and the track nearest to my city is about 50 miles away. It was just some quick races.

This post has been edited by hs2g: Sep 15, 2004 - 11:41 PM

[kamax]

go easy on the guy, every1 street race, no matter how much lecturing u guys do, they still gonna do it =p.

all i can say is dont race on street with intersection.
and becareful who u race with.
and learn to control the car.

but ya sharpen ur skills with the stick, learn when to shift, and learn to shift faster. experience usually beat raw power, especially if the power is so close.

[Magic]

I dont think that the launch was the problem.....cuz you said he was infront of you at the end of the 2nd gear and 3rd.....probably its a weight race.....

I dont like sreet racing either but sometimes it just happens...

[turboinduction]

lol

Civic EX vs Celica GT battles

every week........

[Digndoug]

Its also a big gearing thing.. honda trannys and gears are so much better, also a higher rev..

Also H2sg ... why bother spending all that money on somethign you could make your self very easly and for 1/3-1/4 the cost.. by the way 95celgt sorry for putting you down, but its not worth it..

This post has been edited by Digndoug: Sep 17, 2004 - 12:33 PM

[hs2g]

The road that we raced on has no intersections and the road is very wide because it was just recenly remodeled. Theres no houses or buildings on any side of the road. Just a field

[hs2g]

[Fingaz]

you shuolda been able to beat him. my friend and i race to work everyday right after school. he has a 99 civic ex and i have my 94 GT. over the past year or so that we've been doing it he has beaten me about 5 times.

[Digndoug]

[kdash]

you lost to a HONDA? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA i've seen them on the streets everyday and when i beat them all the time unless they have something crazy inside there. Even when i had it N/A i still beat them like nothing. maybe it's your shifting.

[latinomasfino]

[16seconds]

wow those are some very detailed pics. So what kind of pipe should I get, I hear PVB piping or somehting like that is bad. And as for bending should I just take it to an exhaust shop and get it mandrel bent? Is the pipe just one long pipe or do I get 3 pipes?

[kdash]

geesh...all that for an intake

[GReddy4u]

[latinomasfino]

[Ryu3x16]

uh oh...... time to do TURBO
-Ryu

[97sccelica]

[turboinduction]

[16seconds]

[Stellar1022]

I have a 96 st and my bro has a 97 civic ex. Ive driven his and the whole car drives like poop compared to the celica. The handling is loose compared to the tight suspension on mine. And the clutch like pops out real quick and isnt compfortable at all.. It doesnt even feel like it pulls as good as mine. I just hate civics and celicas look and drive 100 times better.

[16seconds]

[Ryu3x16]

[97sccelica]

[Ryu3x16]

well..since this is about a civic ex vs celica gt..i assume he was talking about civic ex and not nsx,h22, rsx blah blah....he's not that dumb... anyways, about that si civic and gsr integra beating him stock?..i dont think so...he handed their ass to them at the track..seeeeeeeeee...thats why you go TURBO

[kdash]

c'mon now we're talking about racing a EX Civic here what's all this stuff about rsx, nsx, and integras coming out from...if you can't beat a EX Civic then you got problems. correct me if i'm wrong but other than the Si Civic the other Civics just sucks ass. if you think they are fast than...well something is wrong with you for thinking they are.

[Mike]

Everyone think about this :

While we sit here with out petty quarels, realy men with big cahones are on supra forums, or any real sports car forum are talking about racing real cars.. ferraris, lambos, vettes...

Just think about that... and now you can go cry

[Ryu3x16]

[97sccelica]

[hs2g]

I don't know how Si and GSR got in this but I'm sure that a 6gc GT cannot beat them. As for me racing the EX its probably just a shifting problem. I launched at 3.5-4RPM the tires spin and I got him off the line regain traction at end of first then shift to 2nd at 5.5RPM. Same shift at 5.5 RPM through the gears.\

Our cars redline at around 6.5 right? So is it ok to go maybe to 6 or a little bit over?

This post has been edited by hs2g: Sep 18, 2004 - 11:39 PM

[Kwanza26]

I don't think it'll be as easy as everyone here thinks. The EX Civics redline at 7k with fuel cut at 7200 I believe. The Celica GT fuel cuts at 6400 or so... so essentially, the Civic can pull for almost a full 1000 rpms longer and maintain his max torque that much longer, while you can only maintain till the peak (at 4500 rpms) then it'll drop off BIG TIME (~40 ft lbs) to redline. That's where the numbers game gets tricky... and simple numbers alone doesn't mean anything as far as some Hondas are concerned...

Anyways... I've beaten my cousin's former 95 Civic EX coupe by about a fender back when I was still tuning. After we tuned his car up some more (turns out his timing was negative a tooth) he was able to put a fender on me... and more than likely, I was a lot faster than you are.

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Sep 19, 2004 - 12:09 AM

[Mike]

^ Just because our car redlines at a lower rpm dosen't mean anything
Its jsut ebcause we have more stroke and less bore which is unusual for japanese cars, that gives the gt the 145lbs/ft torque, which is decent i will admit

but about the torque band, i guess your right because i have no idea how big it is on our cars, i agree, it does seem to drop off substantialy near redline

[Kwanza26]

[Mike]

I never disagreed with you really, all i ment was that torque band is far more important than redline.. the viper for instance redlines at like 5500 rpm or 6000.. someting of that nature, but it has a massive torque band.. i know that the civic has a good torque band in the higher rpms, but all i was saying is that its not really the redline that matters as much as the torque band and for how long a vehicle can sustain max torque...

but i generally agree, it does suck that our cars trail off after 4500rpms...
i guess thats why so many ppl are goin boosted..

[kdash]

97sccelica and Kwanza...c'mon now how are you guys gonna talk when you both have a st celica. the st is what 115 hp compared to the gt which is 140 hp stock. you can have your little intake, headers and exhaust and probably still don't meet up with the gt celica's stock hp. c'mon now if you guys think the Civic Ex can take us then you guys are freakin wieird. i don't know about you two but i for one will never lose to a stock Civic EX turbo or no turbo.

[Kwanza26]

[97sccelica]

[xonethug]

you guys probably wont believe this ..
i raced a toyota mark 2 twin turbo 2.5 auto ......... off the line
but only till about the first gear .... and now im a legend in my area !!
may be his car was in bad shape or somthing !!!!!!
and also i raced a toyota scalet gt turbo .. till third gear ... then he gets ahead ..and then im ahead when i hit fourth ,....
may be his scarlet was in bad shape too ..
and everybody im my area thinks i have modifyed my car to the limit !!

[zebt66]

[boosted_K2]

if you read further i corrected myself

[zebt66]

LOL my bad i only read the first page hehe....

[shadycrew31]

hahahah vtec sucks my rear.. anyway if you take out everything in your car i mean everything. except your seat you will lose about 150-200 pounds. which gives you about 2 hp (rakes care of vtec) but dont street race. road race its what are cars are meant for. anyway enjoy.... vtec sucks trust me its mind over matter .
just to let you know my st (96) spanked a vtec 98 civic at track 2 runs in a row. and a integra at the track. and 4 times on the street vtec is overrated.

[Kwanza26]

[psyko]

To whoever started this post, our cars will beet any civic stock v stock, execpt for the si's(at least this has been my experience). So no offence but it's prolly just your driving ability. After only two months, i wouldn't think you would be a great driver. Also, if this is one of your first races, one day u will look back and realize how bad u sucked, i do it all the time now. So just keep at it, u will get better . Also remember our cars max hp/trq is at 5600, so u want to shift right after that, right about 6, no later.

[kdash]

[vangSTa_celica]

yea you're not the only one..but...why would u poke fun at kwanza's ST?...u don't know him very well do you?

[Kwanza26]

[soltrain]

were you in the left or right lane?

[hs2g]

[blackbullet]

i dont know about you guys but yeah.. i beat a 93 SI hatchback once... he had like intake, and exhaust...i pulled him 2 car... mabe there is just something wrong with his car.. dont know..but really depends on how fast you shift too.. thats what i think only..

[Kwanza26]

[kdash]

ok dude..you win everyone is entitled to their own opinion but just for the record..you would never seen me lose to a stock 115 hp ex..lol i know you can say that i can't underestimate hondas and stuff cause their are some that are fast i know that but over here where i'm at they're dumb people who comes up to you and start revving just cause you have a sports car...so you can say that i'm wrong and stuff but my opinion is my opinion just as yours is your own and i'm not picking on anyone just simply saying what i think.

[Kwanza26]

[kdash]

my bad i didn't know you felt this way...i know a couple of civics out there that are fast i'm not gonna lie they'll whoop on me...but you know that they're are very few civics out there that are considered to be fast since everyone out there that has a civic are more likely, ricers. but i get what your saying, my fault.

[shadycrew31]

and now were done................. nice points guys!. we all have very healthy in out opinons i like it. all in all the 6gc is a rare find. let me expalin. were the baby supra, the sexier corolla and the beefier camry... the way i see it 6gc's are toyotas top breed!!!! yes i love it.