 Performance for ST, Turbo kit or Engine Swap |
 Sep 21, 2004 - 10:32 AM
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Enthusiast  Joined Sep 14, '04 From SaN DiegO, CaLi Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%)  |
i know performance parts for ST are limited...(unless im wrong then please let me know). what would be a better deal...building my st engine internally and dropping a custom turbo kit...or doing an engine swap? i know the 3sgte or a gt4 is alot of money and work...would it be advisble to swap a gt engine and drop a turbo kit already made for the gt...or should i just go for the swap? thankx
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Sep 21, 2004 - 12:58 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
first question that should be asked! what horse power are you looking for? turbo an st is the quickest and cheapest and if your going to swap motors dont just drop a gt in  just put the 3sgte in.
-------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Sep 21, 2004 - 1:00 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 3, '02 From Va Team 6gc Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
okay here's the thing, its all about preference and amount money and reliability. Don't go for 5sfe and turbo thats the same amount of work as 3sgte with no where near the gain. turbo st is wut i'm personally going for one day but most would tell u for reliability just go with 3sgte it will cost more in begining but less in long term and once again the power is no were near the same. So in all if u got the money and the will go for 3sgte.
--------------------  All I have in this world is my Balls and my Word and I'm not breaking em for no one,- Tony Montana Team 6gc 2005 |
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Sep 21, 2004 - 1:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
and if you dont have a lot of my money just turbo the st for now and later on swap the 3sgte in -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Sep 21, 2004 - 1:45 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
or, if ya wanna be a bad-asss .. Buy an st block and head from someone that has already done the swap.. should be able to find for around 200 bucks.. Then slowly build the internals .. like when ya have time and money.. then set-up a turbo then when its allready just pull out yours drop it all in..a nd theres no need to change or modify anything.. . Like it would be so much easier then a swap.. should be able to swap it out in like a day... I think thats a really good i dea, i ight even do that my self.. damn im a freaking genious.. that cant spell..
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Sep 21, 2004 - 2:01 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 3, '04 From pittsburgh Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Digndoug u are a ****in genious, that is prob one of the most rational ideas ever....u get the A for today
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Sep 21, 2004 - 2:47 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 10, '03 From Appleton,WI Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
genius... http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=genius This post has been edited by vangSTa_celica: Sep 21, 2004 - 2:48 PM --------------------  A Jaws4God Creation... |
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Sep 21, 2004 - 4:14 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 7, '04 From charlotte N.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i vote for 4age then turbo later. but i dont really know how well the four throttle bodys and well the eingine itself work with boost.
but yeah 4agte is my vote. -------------------- Former: 96 GT 5 speed (i/p/e) Fate- rear ended by mack truck
00 GTS 6 speed (i/ Bored TB 63mm - 68.5mm w/ butterfly/ Ported IM/ IMG/ PFC/ Commander/ datalogit/ Ported & heat wrapped Header/ Decat/ UEGO/) 193FWHP 14.2(1/4mi) @98mph, 2.12 60ft (just intake, unbolted Exhaust, and gutted) Fate- side swipped by 18 wheeler at 75mph. Next: maybe an elise |
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Sep 21, 2004 - 4:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
That is very unique just like the 7agte but also more money than a 3sgte. which in the end the 3sgte is probably more reliable and easier to modify than a custom job on the scale unique 10 cost 2 (this project is labor intense and expensive) but at a show would probably impress a judge. -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Sep 21, 2004 - 6:20 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 7, '04 From charlotte N.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah itd be awesome. and a boosted car that could rev up to 8500 rpms would be awesome. but yeah it would cost way too much.
but it still gets my vote -------------------- Former: 96 GT 5 speed (i/p/e) Fate- rear ended by mack truck
00 GTS 6 speed (i/ Bored TB 63mm - 68.5mm w/ butterfly/ Ported IM/ IMG/ PFC/ Commander/ datalogit/ Ported & heat wrapped Header/ Decat/ UEGO/) 193FWHP 14.2(1/4mi) @98mph, 2.12 60ft (just intake, unbolted Exhaust, and gutted) Fate- side swipped by 18 wheeler at 75mph. Next: maybe an elise |
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Sep 21, 2004 - 11:42 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
to swap or to turbo depends on these questions
how much down time can you afford? how much money do you want to spend? how much power do you want? -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Sep 22, 2004 - 11:33 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
3SGTE is the only way to go. anything else and you wont be happy. And the cost Really isn't that much different.
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Sep 22, 2004 - 11:42 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
I was goingn to say, another thing is about modding the 7a, then turboing it.. your goign to want to get a dif tranny most likly, you could use the 4agze tranny, but thats just one more thing ot buy.. but then aain, I guess it would be just like using the gt tranny on the 3s ...
What ever happen to eather Doggy's 7a job, or the other guys, I remember someone was building a bad ass 7a .. any one know?? This post has been edited by Digndoug: Sep 22, 2004 - 11:42 AM |
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Sep 22, 2004 - 1:36 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
that was edo, in italy, he was on vacation then hasn't posted since i wonder about that too?!?!
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Sep 22, 2004 - 1:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
didnt edo end up with high compression ? like 11:1 or something after his build
-------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Sep 22, 2004 - 1:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Im not sure but isnt high compression bad for a turbo set-up??? also cant you lower compression by getting a bigger head gasket? This post has been edited by Digndoug: Sep 22, 2004 - 1:53 PM |
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Sep 22, 2004 - 1:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
I know this is a lil more off this topic, but has any one ever heard of this?? JDM 4E-FTE 1.3L DOHC TURBO http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...&category=33615
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Sep 22, 2004 - 2:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 7, '04 From charlotte N.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah edo ended up witha compression of something like the 10.7:1 because he used the 4agze pistons which he thought would fit. but something about how the 7a pistons were cut differently.
or something -------------------- Former: 96 GT 5 speed (i/p/e) Fate- rear ended by mack truck
00 GTS 6 speed (i/ Bored TB 63mm - 68.5mm w/ butterfly/ Ported IM/ IMG/ PFC/ Commander/ datalogit/ Ported & heat wrapped Header/ Decat/ UEGO/) 193FWHP 14.2(1/4mi) @98mph, 2.12 60ft (just intake, unbolted Exhaust, and gutted) Fate- side swipped by 18 wheeler at 75mph. Next: maybe an elise |
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Sep 22, 2004 - 2:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
ya that sounds right -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Sep 22, 2004 - 2:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
you want like 8.5:1 or 8.0:1 for turbo cars i've heard that if you get a bigger head gasket it can be bad or good i've heard both -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Sep 22, 2004 - 2:14 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
as far as i remember, you can get full copper head gaskets that are made thicker to lower compression.. also looking around for some pistons, i thought the 4ag's work fine?? also, does any one know the bore/size of the 7a-fe??? |
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Sep 22, 2004 - 2:22 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
im pretty sure its 81mm
here is a kit Geo Prism 1762cc 16V DOHC 1993-97 Engine Code Stock Bore Kit # Includes: Price 7AFE 81mm EKTO29MPX Complete Gasket Set Hussey Copper Gasket ROSS Forged Performance Pistons (81, 81.5, 82mm bore) and (8.5-1, 9.5-1, 10.5-1 comp ratio) Performance Rings Performance Wrist Pins TOGA HP Main Bearings TOGA HP Rod Bearings Thrust Washers Timing Belt Freeze Plugs $949 This post has been edited by nik: Sep 22, 2004 - 2:28 PM -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Sep 22, 2004 - 2:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
sweet, I was woundering, caue i found an hks piston and pin set for cheap... but that seems even better cause it has everything.. but then again your also looking to have to buy a fmi witch would be another $250 + the turbo and manifold, witch would be another $1000 at least, im not sure if thats worth ..the power coing out of it.. Also where is that kit from?? This post has been edited by Digndoug: Sep 22, 2004 - 2:59 PM |
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Sep 22, 2004 - 3:30 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
http://www.importperformanceparts.net/imports/pek-geo.html
so say 1500 in turbo parts 1000 total engine rebuild kit. and a shock engine (internal) can handle up to 170-180 wheel horse and about 190-200 wheel torque after the rebuild say coated pistons etc i think it could hit the 240 whp and 260 wtp at say 12- 14 psi just a guess -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Sep 22, 2004 - 3:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 14, '04 From SaN DiegO, CaLi Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
i guess time and money for me limited b/c of school...yeah the 3sgte swap would be feasible, but i guess in my case i'd just build my 7a....enough to at least smoke some showoff civics in my area...lol...then drop a turbo, was thinking a t3/t4 so at least id get some juice in both ends...how about supercharging the 7afe??hhmmm....thanks for all the replies by the way
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Sep 22, 2004 - 3:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
ok so your saying 170-180 hp.. for stock internals, then why is your turbo set only dynoing at 130hp an 160trq ??? but i guess thats also to the wheels.. Also how much power do you think a stock trany could handle , including egtting a performance clutch.. This post has been edited by Digndoug: Sep 22, 2004 - 3:54 PM |
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Sep 22, 2004 - 4:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
when i dynod my car it was at 5.5 psi i'm running it at 8 psi now i havent had a chance to dyno it at that psi yet the tranny i'm not sure as for clutchs i have an oem that is hold ok but slipping im going to buy a dual friction clutch 80% clamping over stock This post has been edited by nik: Sep 22, 2004 - 4:10 PM -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Sep 22, 2004 - 4:08 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
here is zipstrips dyno graph http://www.6gc.net/photo.php?file=/images/...hotos/87_23.jpg
160 horse and 170 torque to the wheels psi ?? i bought his turbo, manifold, and intercooler piping i think i'm about 165-170 horse and 170-185 torque at 8psi (a guess) -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Sep 22, 2004 - 4:25 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
an thats only at 8psi, with stock internals?? |
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Sep 22, 2004 - 4:43 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
yep stock everything for now even injectors i just bought some venom ones i'm going to push this little engine to the edge and see what it can do on stock internals 
-------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Sep 22, 2004 - 10:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 3, '04 From Avondale, AZ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah i am interested to see what the good ol' 7A can handle!
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Sep 23, 2004 - 3:56 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
so i'm in the process of getting an greddy E-01 and msd goodies i set a date for Oct 15 to dyno and tune my car again but this time at 8 psi with some goodies.
-------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Sep 23, 2004 - 11:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 3, '04 From Avondale, AZ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
wow man i cant wait for the results!
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