Racing..., celica V.S. other cars.. Options

[blackbullet]

Ok...so last week on thursday i went out with my friends to tried out our cars.. i tried out my friends car a 91 nissan sentra SE-R and lost like 3 car lane... some other guys came along and wanted to race me with a 89 Corolla GT-S and i smoked him like 3 car or so... i think i rev and set my rpm too high..i set it at 3rmp... is that too high??. because off the launch i took the se-r even though they have lsd... i was thinking if i rev too low it might bogg on me...well just a story to tell...what do you guys think??

[SlowCelica94]

I launch at 4.4k rpm.

Street racing is illegal and for ricers and not strongly supported here.

[sphinx]

arround here, street racing is the same thing as going to a club. And the one way to gain respect and or get noticed, is to humiliate the big dogs.

It's not that difficult.

[Kwanza26]

street racing is kid stuff...

[Mike]

street racing is all about penis envy. Got a small penis? Get a civic and do the 1.4 in 9 sec or less to show everyone that people with small penises are actually useful

I dont launch at any particular rpm, I sorta hold the clutch in and I never drop it at launch, I just ease it in very quickly, prevents wheelspin.. works well for FWD with no lsd

[boosted_K2]

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[drnovascotia]

-Ti

Downloading music off Kazaa doesn't put people in hospitals and make insurance insanely high like street racing does.

Dr.

[blackbullet]

you guys who talk **** are gay ass.. you act like you dont do anything illegal and stupid..i was just trying out my car to see how it is if you guys can understand.. you act like you never raced before.. by the way..also not asking for support for street racing either "slowcelica" must be slow thats why you're not racing hun??.. all good though.. and yeah..it's illegal...so what??... you act like putting an intake and HKS exhaust on is legal??... think about yourself before you talk your **** because it will backfire on you guys... also no one is telling you to come on here and talk your **** either... just go on to another topic.. your **** talking is all kid stuff...TALKING ABOUT KID STUFF... have a nice day everybody...

pheng yang

This post has been edited by blackbullet: Oct 18, 2004 - 7:27 PM

[vangSTa_celica]

rawr!

[Defgeph]

1. Tighten up your suspension, It will help in your launches
2. I would launch at around 3,500 rpm.
3. bring down tire pressure a little.
4. keep all windows closed.
5. practice shifting. after first gear dont press the clutch all the way in, just enough to shift gears.
6. get short throw shifter
7. get slicks
8. Lighten the car up


practice, just practice. You dont have to go all out when you practice, Work on your reaction time at red lights. best way to get ur reaction time down


If I think of anything else I'll add. Have fun, but watch your a$$

DEF

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[Kwanza26]

[psyko]

Racing is very fun, i do it all the time. As long as it is done safely, your not a dumb ass, and the person your racing is not a dump ass, no one is going to the hosipital...

[blackbullet]

well my opinion...if you're stupid...you get caught..if you're stupid you get hurt ... and that only goes for people who can't drive, who shouldn't drive... yeah...but you guys make it seem like driving a celica is such a slow car man... what's the whole point of having a celica and putting all your money in it??.. if you're not gonna race??.. right??.. actually what's the point of driving a celica at all??... im pretty sure some people think celicas are slow but hey faster than some cars out there though... it's all good though... you guys can talk all you want but everyone does their own thing...

[ghostdog]

[jgreening]

A few threads for you:

Thread 1

Thread 2

Thread 3

[62-1celi]

i say we all get together and top out are cars........

[hs2g]

Street racing is almost just like a track if its an open road that is vacant and more than 1/4 mile long.

And isn't going like 100+ on the freeway a stupid thing to do also? How come no one gets called dumb or not careful for doing that? When going 1/4 mile you are not breaking the 100's if your car is not greatly modified.

I myself do street race, but not like in the movies or have a big crowd of people watching. When I got my car, a friend and I just wanted to see how we can keep up with eachother in the 1/4. So we went out to this very vacant road that was about 30+ feet wide. Very nice road.

To sum it all up. Street racing I think is stupid if there is a crowd of people watching or participating in an unsafe envirionment, but if its just you and a friend with an open straight road and you feel confident then go for it.

[recneps]

everybody mods there car to go faster and well. tracks are expensive 2 of my friends make a day out of Virgina international raceway as much as they can and ive taken a lap or two there but well getting into that is expensive. flame retatdent suits, race seats, harnases, hi octane gas, brake pads(which youll go through in a couple of laps), helmet, and not to metion the $75 track fee. well my point is its like 500 bucks to get into track racing and nothing to pull up net to some kid in a 96 civic dx and smoke him so of course people are going to street race and telling them to go to the track isnt going to do anything.

[SlowCelica94]

[boosted_K2]

[blackbullet]

yeah..yeah..yeah... if you dont want to hear about street racing DID i tell you to read this?? NOOOOOO.... again..NOOO...you started talking crap about street racing when you use to do it??.. haha..if you dont want to post replys or anything nobody is telling you to... it's only for those who wants to reply and tell me so just mind your own business and do your own thing... hello...i put that racing in to tell how my launch is against other cars...have some common sense man....but yeah.. its all good though...

This post has been edited by blackbullet: Oct 19, 2004 - 11:27 AM

[turboinduction]

I hit 105 in the 1/4 with my last AWD Eclipse. Thats pretty damn fast enough. One, oops from a Civic next to you and poof your done. I wasn't about to bash racing (read my first post in this thread) however after reading the "your ******* gay" reply, I reconsidered. To me, racing is foolish. Its not that I haven't done it myself, but I reconsider now that I'm older. Are you in your 17 second Celica really THAT much of a badass if you beat a Dx Civic in the quarter mile. I like racing, I love racing, and if I ever get my Celica under 14... chances are I'd need more competition then the Dx owner with 100 dollars in neons around his car. I dont mind opening the car up once in a while, but I dont have to pull a Paul Walker every time I see Altezza tail-lights.

-Ti

Also... see those little boxes... the more the person has the longer they've been here. SlowCelica has 3, which means a good amount and he's been here for a year. You've been here for a week. Also, slow is a jackass (lol - and you know its true ) and isn't someone to pick a fight with. However, if you think you're REEEEEEAL good. Insult Sinner, BlkGt, Slow, and Andason at the same time. Boy, wheres my popcorn smiley.

[FallenHero]

I'm surprised he didn't get flamed for using 'gay' as derogatory. lol, around here everybody seems so sensitive about it. HA!

[SlowCelica94]

[Bizerk96]

In the words of Dave Chappell "S**t N***A, sometime you gotta race!" >jk< i dont think (other than of course the legality of the issue) that opening up the car everynow and then is a bad thing. But, like stated be smart about it. Sometimes it's best to just know that you can or cannot hang with another driver than to put it to the test and face the concequences. As far as "that movie" tuners have been doing this sort of thing for a long time, and i think that if we were all inspired by that corporate fluff, the majority of the people on this board would be on a Honda/DSM forum. The people here know what thier cars are cabable of and want to do it because it's a part of who they are and what they love.

[Akimbo]

Pish posh. I hate this thread just for the simple fact it makes my brain think.

Racing near-stock Celicas is stupid. If you don't have a turbo or some serious work, then your Celica has nothing to prove.

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[Ryu3x16]

blackbullet, I think that everyone here is just lookin out for ya. I mean, we used to street race and now we're old enough to know why its wrong and why we shouldnt do it. I guess everyone here is just trying to look out for ya, lil brotha.
-Ryu

[blackbullet]

do you guys think that i dont know that you guy out there are looking out for me??.. im saying that some of you guys make it seem like celicas are crap but you also have one??.. well this forum or topic is over with.... cant everyone just get along and hold their BS to themself???..blab..blab..blab...nothing more..

[drnovascotia]

Seems to me like you opened the topic of BS with your question.

To say you're smart with your illegal driving doesn't mean ****, one deer in the road, pothole or stupid driver and you're toast. So go ahead and die, I believe in darwinism anyways.

I own a celica because it's a sexy looking car. Good overall suspension, good gas milage, decent speed. I know with the reliability of this car with some TLC it'll be beautiful.

There's no other secrets to getting a better launch, they've done them all. About all else you can do would be advance your timing and run 91 octant.

Hope that was constructive, I didn't mean to step on anybodies toes

and TI, I was just giving you a hard time dood, you are right about the artists making their millions. I just believe lives are more important than money, lol.

:bowdown;

Dr.

[97Celica]

I end up street racing sometimes without realizing it..but..never in traffic. Also.. I love taking my Celica out on backroads and doing like 70+mph around turns..but then again.. I know driveways,streets,turns,etc,etc..so...It's more like a course.

[celicarocker]

[Ryu3x16]

I totally agree.. lots of members here makes celicas seems like crap.. sigh... oh well...mines doesnt suck and yours doesn't suck either

[Mike]

[spunky393]

it's always fun to do block racing, but that's once every 3 months that i let someone get to me (because honestly, i just hate the fact when a civic or eclipse pulls up and the driver is like, "yeah, i got this bitch") So, i just like to pull on people, the wonderul launch we get if you do it right, and cut it there. Other than that, take it to the track, highschool league or something

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[blackbullet]

[thedevilmaycrie]

[boosted_K2]

[dstrbcelica]

^^werd.

-dstrb

[thedevilmaycrie]

i get what your saying and it all comes into the realm of situational awareness, which if you race you need

[Kwanza26]

[thedevilmaycrie]

im not saying to step into it just practice in your mind. just slightly jumping off the line

at night when no cars are preesent to do this not in the middle of day when everyone and there brothers on the road

and beside this is for help remember

This post has been edited by thedevilmaycrie: Oct 20, 2004 - 1:19 PM

[shid]

There's a riced out Saturn at my school, lambo doors, etc etc. Obviously, some sort of idiot. I'm on my way home last night (keep in mind, it's been raining here, so the roads are wet as hell).

It's 2 lanes in either direction; I'm in the left lane and need to make a right turn at the light after the one I'm currently stopped at. Currently in the right lane is a bus (and a lot of cars behind that, including the saturn).

It's a VERY short block, so when the light turns green I punch it off the line just enough so my tires dont lose traction; I pull ahead of the bus, signal, and make my way over.

Well, it turns out that riced up Saturn I passed in the right lane decided that he didn't want to wait for all the cars in the right lane. He turned into the right turn lane; and rocketed through the intersection; past the bus, and tried to move into my car (which now occupies the right lane) without looking past the bus.

I honk at him, he swerves back, nearly hits the curb; swerves back again, nearly hits me, corrects, goes straight for 5 more feet; then slams on his breaks before he hits a police cruiser which is parked on the shoulder. He looses traction and slides- unfortunately I think he stops before he hits the cruiser- and even worse, I dont think there was anything in the cruiser.

This was all at speeds below 45 mph- no one was racing, my tach never got above 4k;

and still something insanely stupid happened because other drivers- especially ricers, are stupid.




Do I streetrace? Yes I do, from time to time. Do I recognize that it's stupid, immature, and dangerous? Yup- I haven't streetraced in about 5 months, give or take? I never had one close call, for which I am thankful, but I know if I do it, it's likely to happen.

I don't condone it. Lives are lost- but then, lives are lost no matter what you do; you could go through a green light and get hit by a guy running a red and die.

Streetracing increases those chances.

I'm not sure what I'm trying to say in this post.

Lalalalla

[operative]

GT beats ST. Everybody knows this but I have proven it, again. On the quarter mile stock GT beats stock ST minimum 3 car lengths, I drove the GT and ST have a better driver. I only hit 74 @ the quarter mile.

My car starts to drift @ 60 MPH in turns.

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[Kwanza26]

[turboinduction]

Kwanza, you mean to tell me that all cars dont break into mad drifts when they hit 60. I wish I could see the interstate when that happens. 100 cars all slideways with white smoke pouring into the sky.

And still, what the hell does that statement have to do with anything?

-Ti

[shadycrew31]

i drive an st and beat gt's i never did it in a straight but i beat 2000+ gt's.

[SlowCelica94]

I hate it when u say this shady. If you were in my state, i love to own u in some turns

[shid]

[Kwanza26]

[operative]

My point:
STOCK GT beat STOCK ST in straight line on 1/4 mile with the driver being equal.

My car starts to drift in those "Initial D" turns @ 60MPH, 50MPH it still sticks to the road. Pretty insane drifing downhill @ 60MPH.

This post have to do with "Racing" as the topic suggests, NOT "Flamming" as some people are doing.

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[SlowCelica94]

The 240SX is coming up on a corner, he jerks the wheels to the right for a split second pulling the car hard to the right,

That's called a "faint" which is very common. Learned that baby from the drift bible

[operative]

controlled understerring with the e break dont sound as cool as drifting.
Im gonna go do some understerring right now!!

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[celicarocker]

its sad people memorize sayings from that movie... the only saying i remember is "you owe me a 10 second car"

[turboinduction]

Figuring I was bored, I searched to come across this:

READ AND LEARN ALL
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Drifting Techniques


Kansei Drift- this is performed at race speeds, when entering a high speed corner a driver lifts his foot off the throttle to induce a mild over steer and then balances the drift through steering and throttle motions. Note that the car that is being used for this style of drift should be a neutral balanced car therefore the over steer will induce itself. If the car plows through any turn this technique will not work.

Braking drift- this is performed by trail braking into a corner, then loss of grip is obtained and then balance through steering and throttle motions. Note that this is mainly for medium to low speed corners.

Faint Drift- this is performed by rocking the car towards the outside of a turn and then using the rebound of grip to throw the car into the normal cornering direction. Note that this is heavy rally racing technique used to change vehicle attitudes during cornering, mainly tight mountain corners.

Clutch Kick- this is performed by depressing the clutch pedal on approach or during a mild drift, then pop the clutch to give a sudden jolt through the driveline to upset rear traction.

Shift Lock- this is performed by letting the revs drop on downshift into a corner and then releasing the clutch to put stress on the driveline to slow the rear tires inducing over steer. This is like pulling the E-brake through a turn - note that this should be performed in the wet to minimize damage to the driveline, etc.

E-Brake Drift- this technique is very basic, pull the E-Brake or (side brake) to induce rear traction loss and balance drift through steering and throttle play. Note that this can also be used to correct errors or fine tune drift angles.

Dirt Drop Drift- this is performed by dropping the rear tires off the road into the dirt to maintain or gain drift angle without losing power or speed and to set up for the next turn. Note that this technique is very useful for low horsepower cars.

Jump Drift- in this technique the rear tire on the inside of a turn or apex is bounced over a curb to lose traction resulting in oversteer.

Long Slide Drift- this is done by pulling the E-brake through a strait to start a high angel drift and to hold this to set up for the turn ahead. Note that this can only be done at high speed.

Swaying Drift- this is a slow side-to-side faint like drift where the rear end sways back and forth down a strait.

FF Drift- or front wheel drive drift. The E-brake as well as steering and braking techniques must be used to balance the car through a corner. Note that the E-brake is the main technique used to balance the drift.

Power Over- this performed when entering a corner and using full throttle to produce heavy oversteer (tail slide) through the turn. Note that you need horsepower to make this happen.


There ya go! Thanks go to Slow for giving me the idea for my 3 minute search.

-Ti

[hs2g]

I think everyone is going off topic from the originally idea. This topic is dead.

[blackbullet]

damm...you guys are way off topic now... now going into drifting hun?... well have fun guys...keep going..

[boosted_K2]

Kansei Drift- this is performed at race speeds, when entering a high speed corner a driver lifts his foot off the throttle to induce a mild over steer and then balances the drift through steering and throttle motions. Note that the car that is being used for this style of drift should be a neutral balanced car therefore the over steer will induce itself. If the car plows through any turn this technique will not work.


hehe this one is fun. i did kind of a mixture between the kansei (AKA lift-off drift), the feint, and the jump drift at the last autocross we had...

the course was setup for a long WOT 2nd gear pull leading up to a left lane change, immediatly following the left lane change you swing a right corner that goes up a quick hill and back down, on the other side of the slope is a wide swinging left hander coined "showcase corner", then a final right hander past the finish.
-i took the line through the left lane change and kept the revs up,lifted up off the gas and then jammed it just before entering the right hander up the hill and initiated a very low angle slide heading up the hill, feinted the wheel and utilizing the weight shift from the down hill, cocked the weight back over the right tires and did a slightly larger angled slide (pretty close to a low speed drift) around the showcase corner, and then slide through the last right hander past the finish line. ended up 4th at the event hehe i got out of my car and was "holy hell that was sweet"

[Kwanza26]

It's "feint" drift people... ;P

Anyone without track experience and/or a good solid RWD car and a wide open parking lot shouldn't even try to get into the drifitng scene. You're just gonna end up jacking up your cars, possibly yourselves, and possibly others. It's not an easy thing where you can just get in the car and go.

First off... if you don't have LSD... don't try anything fast. You're just gonna end up sliding and spinning out of control. If you don't know the techniques, as in pull them off nearly every try... practice them alone in a parking lot before trying to show off with them. My AE86s both drift, they're both set-up (one for track one for drift), and they both scare the hell out of me because even with my years of track and autoX... it's a whole new ballgame and I just don't have a lot of practice time.

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[operative]

This thread have improved alot.
Now it have useful information vs before with the gay bashing.