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 Oct 19, 2004 - 4:40 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Feb 3, '04 From West Windsor, NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%)  |
I will soon replace my front speakers b/c they're shot and I'm also gonna get a couple subs. My friend will do the installation for me
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Oct 19, 2004 - 4:44 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 24, '03 From fort smith, ar Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
headunit=sony or kenwood
subs=kicker or jl audio amp(s)=kicker or sony. -dstrb --------------------  former celica owner. |
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Oct 19, 2004 - 8:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 3, '04 From NC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i got a pioneer head unit, 2 700watt 12" with the KAC-7251 800watt amp all kenwood ,sounds great. Yea u should really replace ur head unit to be able to get out the most out of ur system.
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Oct 19, 2004 - 8:39 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 22, '04 From Rhode Island Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
head unit alpine, speakers jl aduio
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Oct 19, 2004 - 9:07 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 9, '04 From San Carlos, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
What's your price range? What kind of music do you listen to? With a little more detail everyone could help you out a lot more. |
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Oct 19, 2004 - 9:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 4, '04 From VA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yea your not allowed to speak about car audio nemore. i would go for boston accoustics for speakers, if u cant afford them then go for pioneer 4-ways. u def need to switch out the HU to get good sound. i would recommened alpine over all. then pioneer subs....JL Amps....rockfords good even though ppl dont like them, but JL again tell me specifics....IE wht kind of music, how much time, wht u want in ur HU(mp3, etc) and ill tell u specifics |
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Oct 19, 2004 - 10:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 3, '04 From West Windsor, NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
I don't want to spend a lot of money so my friend recommends that I keep the stock head unit, and get the best 10-inch sub and the best amp they have at a store he works at (he will also give me a discount). I will listen to hip-hop and techno mostly but also rock. I forgot to mention that I have the 8-speaker premium system in my car so that is why he thinks I should keep the stock head-unit. Thanks for the replies.
EDIT: He says I might not need dynamat (sp?) what do you guys think? This post has been edited by Rider: Oct 19, 2004 - 10:40 PM |
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Oct 19, 2004 - 10:49 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yeah your friend's not allowed to talk about car audio anymore either. a HU will do 10 times better than new speakers. Alpine for HU, Alpine for speakers if you're on a budget. JL for subs Do your own research about amps, they're tricky. Make sure you get one based on RMS and not Peak power |
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Oct 19, 2004 - 11:08 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 3, '04 From West Windsor, NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
How about Rockford for speakers, subs and amp?
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Oct 19, 2004 - 11:15 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
overpriced (speakers), I didn't like how they sounded (subs) and overpriced, but gets the job done (amp). I have an RF amp because I got it for half off, but you can get another brand thats just as good |
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Oct 19, 2004 - 11:32 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 31, '03 From Orlando, Florida Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
im glad RF makes good amps, because after blowing my last POS power acoustik that lasted a month ive decided to go with one of their new amps thats in the mail right now
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Oct 20, 2004 - 12:00 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 10, '04 From san diego Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ok....head unit does not make 10 times better ...it does make it better...
it all depends on what HU to match to speaker.. for example...you get a HU rated at 45-52x4 no way in hell is that going to run some good speaker without a amp...unless it a really low rms...some pioneers (sp?) or crap like plye ect... you need a amp to power your speaker if your going to invest in something good...ie. componets ect as for sub....JL is way over priced...good spl and sq tho if you want to spend that money... RF makes crap amps now....they are way over rated...they HX2 subs are pretty solid their is tons of brand out there that will destroy JL if you want spl try something like RE/XXX whoa do they hit only you will lose tons of SQ DB drive is aslot a good brand for both spl/sq anything with flames is not good....unless you dont care to much for music infinity KAPPA's are really good on sq MTX also has a fair share of spl/sq subs for amp....i would look for a hifonics brutus...if your going to wire to 1 ohm the list goes on......just all depends on how much money you want to spend and who builds it |
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Oct 20, 2004 - 12:46 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You've totally missed the point here. In any true system, the power a HU puts out doesn't matter worth ****- because you take the preouts and amp it up later. It's the QUALITY of the HU. It's the SIGNAL PROCESSING A HU is 10 times better, or more, than the stock HU's processing on our mid 90s toyota cars; for sound quality alone. Also, only considering wattage, the stock amp puts out.. 8Ws of RMS power (was what mine said on the side). Most HUs do 20-25 RMS; thats 4 times. A HU does not need to be "matched" to a speaker. A Sony HU with Sony speakers is still going to sound worse than an Alpine HU with Sony speakers. You need to find a good quality head unit that fits your signal needs- you match it to yourself. As for JL audio, they're cheap as hell for the quality- I got my 10W3v2s for 100 each; I know coomer got his W6s at 110. We both bought ours from actual shops. RF doesn't make "crap" amps. They overprice their amps- the components are still decent quality.
And at that, I can just stop reading. This post has been edited by shid: Oct 20, 2004 - 12:49 AM |
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Oct 20, 2004 - 2:48 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 20, '04 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You mean to tell me that with a stock sound system, adding a new hu will increase the sound quality of my system. im sure, it will add a little better sound, but in truth the speakers are limiting the sound. You can have the best, most expensive hu out there, but with that the speakers will reproduce the sound really crappy cause they cant handle the new power output of the hu. Now with my friends car, he has the 8 speaker factory amped sound system. What you ppl dont understand is that with a factory amp, you must bypass it before a new hu is installed. because his stock hu is pushing out very minimal wattage, he needs the factory amp, if you keep the factory amp intact and install a hu, this adds 4 times the wattage going into the amp which with cause chaos when he turns the volume up even an 8th of the way. normally we could bypass the amp and power his speakers by the hu, but he has 2 set of componets in the front doors (tweets, mids, and lows), and those need to be amped. So he would have to buy 2 4ch amps for all his speakers...which would be way over budget. so my advice...DONT RECOMMEND STUFF IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT |
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Oct 20, 2004 - 2:48 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 10, '04 From san diego Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ok first....every one know JL is way over priced...it doesnt matter how much you bought it....you got a good deal...i mean dont get me worng they make top of the like stuff....but simple for the price it isnt worth it....if you are trying to get spl out of that like a said b4 RE/XXX sub will KILL it no problem hands down.....and infinity kappas will match that for sq for a 10w3v2
and what amo does RF make now that isnt crap.....plz tell me....simple like this..RF use to be know for getting alot of power for a good price since then all there new stuff isnt tottally crap but it isnt what it use to be......so i said it cuz when a company goes from good to ehh ...i dont know what you call it i just said crappy and yes a aftermarket HU will of course be 10 time better then factory....if thats what you meant sorry i didnt get to read it good cuz i was in a hurry to go to the casino but most HU now will give you a good signal ...and yeah like i said 45-52x4 max power come down to like 20-25rms times 4...the best i have seen from working one a stereo was like 22rms something not to sure..... ohh yeah and RF componets are pretty damm good like you said...i just installed some of the higher end stuff in a jeep and wow really nice i have to say.. and as for MTX you gotta know they make good stuff.....i mean they no where in hell the best...but i was really impressed on new 9500 series ....gives the JL w7 a runs for their money.....i didnt thing it would till i heard it.. as for amps....i bought a mtx 500D amp for 150....its puts out 500 at 2 ohms and 775 at 14.5 volts which most cars these day will put out...new amp wise i dont know havent really worked with them....they arent to bad from what i have read... |
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Oct 20, 2004 - 3:08 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I'll keep my post short since everyone's else is UBER-long lol.
Headunit - Alpine ---My Headunit - Alpine MDA-W700JB Double-Din CD/MD player Components- Infinity ---My components - Infinity Kappa 6 speaker set up w/o subs Subwoofers- JL ---My Subs- Cant think of model - but two 10ers Amps- Phoenix Gold ---My Amp - Havent got this piece yet (i'm putting my system together) LOTS AND LOTS OF DYNAMAT! -Ti |
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Oct 20, 2004 - 3:17 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 24, '03 From fort smith, ar Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
why? b/c i have a different taste in stereo equipment? please explain this to me! -dstrb -------------------- former celica owner. |
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Oct 20, 2004 - 3:17 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 10, '04 From san diego Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
let me know how that PG amp gonna work out...i heard nothing but good new about PG amps.....i have done a few installs with my buddy that use to sell PG stuff...and the sub are damm nice.....good prices too..
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Oct 20, 2004 - 3:27 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 26, '04 From Vancouver, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I would say most any Kenwood MP3 deck, some Planet Audio full range for the doors, Planet Audio amp 300+ watt for one 10, 500+ for two 10's and 700+ for two 12's. For subs Kicker Comp VR. Little back ground about my info, my dad has been making speaker boxes for car stereo's for the last 30 years for a few of the leading car stereo places around the Portland, OR area.
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Oct 20, 2004 - 4:31 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Gilbert, thats the reason I'm going with it.
I was going RF, but after hearing Phoenix Gold and seeing the quality, theres no doubt in my mind. -Ti |
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Oct 20, 2004 - 10:27 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 3, '04 From West Windsor, NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
Well, just to let u know on what I decided to do. Most of you would probably not consider this the best option, but I will get a 10-inch RF sub and a RF amp, while keeping the stock HU and replacing the front woofers. I really don't need a very loud system, I usually listen to CD's with the volume only about a quarter of the way up b/c my stock system is powerful as it is. The only thing I want is more bass. The opinions seemed to be split among a few brands so I will trust my friend (celicruiser) who has installed quite a few systems, including his car, and knows what he's talking about (plus I will get everything half-price
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Oct 20, 2004 - 11:40 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
SO, now the question is, how are you going to get signal to those subs? 
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Oct 21, 2004 - 2:04 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 10, '04 From san diego Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
TI,
picking PG over RF was a very good thing...the RF amps like i said before are over rated in power their old stuff rocked cuz it was a bang for the buck deals....PG is one of those brands that not to many people hear about..but slowly is coming up on installs...for the price to watts its a good choice.. good luck with the install |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 10:23 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 3, '04 From West Windsor, NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
I think through wires.....lol j/k. Actually ask celicruiser he will give you an answer, cause I have no idea hahaha  . I know it can be done b/c one of my friends has done it before.
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Oct 21, 2004 - 10:32 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Right, but here's your problem. You, with the delux 8 speaker system; have TWO stock amps. Without getting a new HU; you're going to get lower quality sound out of your subs- no matter what; because they have to use high level inputs instead of RCA ins. Furthermore, this might lesson the quality of one of your speakers (or just cut itout entirely) because now it's power is providing signal power for the subwoofer. |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 11:55 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 3, '04 From West Windsor, NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
I'm only getting one 10-inch sub so it wouldn't need that much power right? I'll let you know how it sounds when I get it.
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Oct 21, 2004 - 12:07 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
It'll take as much power as the sub size- mine take 340Ws each right now |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 1:17 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 4, '04 From VA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
size dosent matter, RMS power and Ohms etc matters....ull get the signal through a line output converter, which will drastically reduce your sub quality, it will be alot more distoreted and wont give u that clean hit
EDIT: and it also sounds like your friend works at best buy(hence all the RF) This post has been edited by Pali_playa: Oct 21, 2004 - 1:17 PM |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 1:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I actually didn't mean physical size- I meant how many watts it took, being careless, thanks for correcting me Pali
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Oct 21, 2004 - 1:20 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 4, '04 From VA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
stereo equitpent isnt "taste" its not a food dmanit. sonys suck my left nut, ther amps overheat, the HU's EQ suck, and speaker have no mids. |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 1:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 4, '04 From VA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
and a HU is the most important part of ur system. if you dont have the quiality output(HU) u wont get the quality input(speakers).
your system is only as powerful as its weakest link |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 2:11 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 10, '04 From san diego Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah using a line converter is only going to cause problems ...might as well save the time and hassle and buy a new HU......most HU rms output ill do fine.....
and stereo can be a matter of taste....it all depends one what music you listent to and how you build the system..... for example a guy that listen to rock isnt going to want a hard hitting sub SQ would be his choice... |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 2:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 4, '04 From VA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ok but were talkin bout brands not spl db and that crap and HU RMS out put dosent mean nething for sub, they run off of RCA pre-outs...which btw u want to look for at least 4V |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 4:14 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 26, '03 From McKenzie, TN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Headunit- Sony
Subs-Kicker, JL, or Adire (Brahma) Amps-Rockford or Concept Tweeters-Memphis/Fultron Mids-Sony or Boston Acoustics I deal in car audio equipment a lot and have tried nearly every major brand out there and these are the best I've found. You won't find a better combination than this without going out of your way. |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 4:15 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 20, '04 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Ladies ladies ladies...there is a device out there called a high/low converter aka line out converter. This taps into the front right and left speaker outputs from the hu and converts it into an rca preout! it also has a built in crossover so u can adjust it to how you want it to sound. so no lame ass high level amp inputs or that stuff. you will still get increddible sound from the hu. the only thing it lacks is a 4volt preout (which wont add that much power considering my friend (rider) has tos of mid bass from his components); also he wont have sub control from the hu...BUT the rf amp comes with a gain remote control so all he has to do is turn a knob mounted somewhere by the steering wheel to ajdust the bass of the subs.....ANY MORE QUESTIONS???!!!?!?!?! and it will not take away any of the signal from the front speakers...AT ALL.....trust me guys, i know my stuff, im an MECP qualified installer |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 4:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 10, '04 From san diego Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
well i didnt say anything about "spl db and that crap" i was just to say it can be done by taste.....it can be broken down to brands/looks/sounds/size anyting pretty much....thats all i meant
well i know they run off RCA pre-out.....i just added that last bit kinda like saying that all brands have a decent rms output to the factory speakers....my bad should have been more clear...and btw last time i check my and a few others HU have a little rms going output for the sub....nothing big or enough to run the sub but it lets to fine tune... |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 4:46 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
So why are you saying that a high out converter off of a HU is high quality? Just because it converts it to an RCA out doesn't mean it's a preout quality. BTW, those lame ass high level inputs on an amp still work better than a rigged highlevel-> RCA converter- becuase the ones on the amp have signal processing
Wow, you don't know jack- or what an "increddible" (or hell, decent) sound system sounds like |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 5:16 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 4, '04 From VA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ok every but shid is needs to stop talking.
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Oct 21, 2004 - 5:45 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 6, '04 From antioch CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
if you do not have a system now im pretty sure your probably gonna like whatever you get because it will be a noticable difference. My first system was a 400 watt jensen amp from walmart and two 200 watt rockford subs and I thought it was the sh**. Ive def upgreded now but a Systems is never something everyone can agree on you gotta find what you like.
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Oct 21, 2004 - 5:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
^^ very important and very true but then, when giving advice to an audio "newb" you want them to get the best system they can get first off, so 6 months later they're not like: my system sucks 
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Oct 22, 2004 - 12:24 AM
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listen dude. if you have a new car that has a cd player built into the dash like the new line of mazdas, mercedes, and bmw, your gonna rip it out and put i na new hu? that destroys the look of a car. Rider is not trying to make a competetion system or anything, he just wants more bass. Ive used line out converters before and they sound just fine. if you compare the line out to the new alpines out there then u have a little difference. but for someone who doesnt even know what to listen for, its fine. i have a 2005 slk 350....im putting subs in it. theres no way in hell i am replacing the hu cause its a gps and everything. line out converters work just fine, have u ever heard one? |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 1:30 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Wow, good for you Mr Benz man; guess what- he DOESN'T have a benz, his CD player is a CRUMMY OEM toyota CD player; it converts the signal to ANALOG after reading it digitally Of course I've heard a line out converter- and probably unlike you, I actually know how to make one with the right parts- because I know how they're made I have the unique ability to tell you how crappy they convert the signal- what you're suggesting is akin to an analog RCA signal being almost equal to a digital opticat or coax signal- thats how wrong you are. An aftermarket HU is almost always better than the one built into the car- and on our cars an aftermarket HU looks FINE; our HUs AREN'T built into the dash- so stop acting like they ARE You're wrong on a number of issues, and everyone knows this BUT you- which tells me you'll like any number of "MECP certified installers" who don't know jack **** about anything- because most of them don't; which is why the only smart way to do an installation is to do it yourself. If you really are MECP certified. This post has been edited by shid: Oct 22, 2004 - 1:34 AM |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 1:55 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 20, '04 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
dude! he doesnt wanna spend the extra money on a new hu! he doesnt NOT have to buy a new hu to get good sound. he will get good sound with his stock hu. he also has an 8 speaker sound system. he does not want to buy the extra amps for his speakers! i know that a new hu will sonud good. but i also like to give the customer what they want rather than make him buy stuff he doesnt need. hes happy with the sound now, all he wants is a little more bass. plus he has a double din hu, sure he could go out and buy a multi poccket for it and put a din one in there, but din size radios in a double din slot look awkward. im not gonna make him go out and drop a grand on a system |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 8:48 PM
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buy my subs
2 Kicker Solo Baric 8" L7s come with amp, and box, and wiring, if you really plan to crank em though you will need a capacitor you'll be more than happy w/ bass, i could never crank em cuz if you have an aftermarket sunroof it rattles like no other unless. --------------------  |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 9:11 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yo, dumbass; he already has 2 amps in his car- I've told you that- taking out the stock HU isn't going to make him get amps- he'll still get better sound. Furthermore, he's going to get better sound for cheaper out of a HU than out of the speakers you're helping him get. With the setup you're recommending him now- his sound quality will actually DECREASE. |
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Oct 23, 2004 - 7:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 4, '04 From VA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i concur with everything shid said, and i call BS on that ur a MECP certified...hell u prob dont even know wht an Ohm is without looking it up on the net
oh shid i disagree wit u on one thing....not ALL MECP installer are bad...dont forget i am one. did u know jags have there system thoruhg fiber optic cable? thats crazy |
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Oct 23, 2004 - 7:33 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Actually Pali, I didn't know that- but like I said, I said MOST Exceptions to every rule- but I wouldn't trust any kind of "professional" audio installer unless I knew them (like I know you)I did NOT know that Jags have their system through an optic cable- that's ****ing awesome. |
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Oct 23, 2004 - 9:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 3, '04 From West Windsor, NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the 8-speaker sound system?
EDIT: Fujitsu Ten Limited This post has been edited by Rider: Oct 23, 2004 - 10:09 PM |
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Oct 23, 2004 - 10:35 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 4, '04 From VA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i know its crazy, i tried to switch out one of the other employees speakers (in a jaguar) and i was like uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i dun think i can do this, and i dont think u WANT to do this. haha he got quoted 2000 dollars to install a damn cd changer in his caR |
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Oct 24, 2004 - 12:15 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 20, '04 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
shid...i understand what you are trying to say...but at least try to understand me....his hu right now pushes out very minimal rms watts. if he gets a new hu, the rms will almost double. If the power going into the factory amps, doubles, the power coming out if the amp will be at least twice as much power, as opposed to the stock hu...that will sound really bad and could damage his speakers...like your still not understanding my point...if he didnt have the factory amps id say hell yea go out and buy an alpine but, in this case that would lead to a lot more $$$ and pali...since ur an mecp u should know that too. we could just buy a new hu, and buy an amp integration harness, but we still needa track down a wiring harness for the 8 speaker system, which we would prob have to look for online. if the line out sux, which it shouldnt cause ive installed them in a few cars (acura rsx, saab 9-3, mazda 3), they came out fine
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Oct 24, 2004 - 12:19 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You don't have any clue what you're talking about, how electricity works, how a HU connects to the amps, or any of that. You might not be a worthless human being, but when it comes to sound systems, your value is in negative canadian dollars. The factory amps put out about 10 W; WHEN YOU INSTALL A NEW HEAD UNIT YOU BYPASS THE FACORTY AMPS. A NEW HU WITH 25 RMS POWERS STOCK SPEAKERS OR BETTER FINE; AND GIVES BETTER QUALITY U DONT NEED A GOD DAMN HARNESS; wire it YOURSELF if you have HALF A FRIGGIN BRAIN This post has been edited by shid: Oct 24, 2004 - 12:23 AM |
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Oct 24, 2004 - 12:23 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 20, '04 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the damn harness for his radio doesnt even have negatives for the front and right speakers....plus he has 3 speakers in each door
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Oct 24, 2004 - 12:25 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Steps to take: 1) buy generic toyota harness. It will cover this Step 2: Remove the plug going into the amp, start splicing wires Step 3: Get a clue |
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Oct 24, 2004 - 12:26 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 20, '04 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
if a hu has nough juice juice in it for 8 speakers, and it sounds good ill be impressed
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Oct 24, 2004 - 12:29 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
..... See above, you have no clue how electricity works. with an aftermarket HU, you'd be nearly doubling the amount of power every speaker gets from the stock amps- regardless of 8 speakers- thats how little power the stock amps provide This post has been edited by shid: Oct 24, 2004 - 12:29 AM |
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Oct 24, 2004 - 12:32 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 20, '04 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
he doesnt even need a new hu tho...only for the subs maybe. cause otherwise it sounds really good
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Oct 24, 2004 - 12:35 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 20, '04 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
im just tryin to do this in the most cost effective way.......and before i coulda swore u were sayin u didnt have to bypass....thats why i was like wtf
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Oct 24, 2004 - 12:35 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If you add subs, without a new HU. If you do not replace his HU now; you are killing his system. You are forcing him to- down the line; buy more and more stuff. Do you not understand that the HU is what drives the system- its what provides the sound for the rest of it. Adding subs to the stock system will barely do ****; it doesn't even send out power for sounds below 40 hz or so. Don't believe me? Go test it with an audio range CD. This is my last reply to you- you obviously don't have a clue and I strongly hope he doesn't listen to you all- otherwise he's not going to have a system worth listening to. |
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Oct 24, 2004 - 12:38 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 20, '04 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
maybe thats how u guys install line outs on the west coast cause every car ive seen and heard with a line out on the east coast, is fine...we will find out tomorrow how it sounds
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Oct 24, 2004 - 2:57 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 10, '04 From san diego Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
theres not way in hell a line out converter is going to sound as good as a new HU.....might as well save the time and buy at least a half decent HU....celicruiser what are you installing....sounds like this guy wants just that little extra kick for like a really low buget....how much money does he have to spend...maybe we can get a little something going for him..
unless he wants really cheap then just get POS amp and a set of 6x9s hahahah jk |
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Oct 24, 2004 - 9:36 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 3, '04 From West Windsor, NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
My stock sound system is 220 watts. Would I have to buy amps for speakers if I buy a new HU?
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Oct 24, 2004 - 10:06 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Uhh, where'd you find that info? Looking at it further; if thats true (which I doubt, it could be a peak measurement; but RMS on those stock amps is about 10 W) it shows peak at 27 W per speaker, with RMS probably around 12W. With a new head unit, you'd get a little more RMS per; and a little less peak- if that really is the correct measurement of your system But again, you have crossovers for your 8 speaker sound system; just like those of us with 6 speakers do. You'd be putting 25W to each door just like normal, and it splits it up just like normal- with a gain in peak and RMS again; where'd you find that? This post has been edited by shid: Oct 24, 2004 - 10:12 AM |
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Oct 24, 2004 - 2:15 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 3, '04 From West Windsor, NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
Honestly I don't remember, I think the guy I bought the car from told me, either that or it was someone on 6gc. Anyways, I installed the sub with the stock HU and it didn't take away from the quality of the sound at all. My stock front speakers (which I wanted to change because they were blown) don't rattle anymore b/c my bass is turned down now since I got the sub. I'm really happy with the way the system sounds. Maybe it would sound even better with an aftermarket HU, but to me it sounds the same as before (which is good b/c I was really happy with my system). The only thing that changed is that now I have a lot more bass. |
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Nov 10, 2004 - 3:38 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 8, '04 From Carmi, Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ok wow this is has gotten out of hand. ANY stock stereo is crap. (i.e. Bose, Infinity, Infinity stock systems are different than their aftermarket products). all stock must go. Period. for headunits. go with Alpine, Clarion, Eclipse and Pioneer Premier. for speakers, look into JL, MB Quart, Focal, Rainbow, CDT, Infinity(remember stock Infinity systems are totally different than what you see in say Crutchfield, dont buy from them either). for component sets look at the same brands for speakers, for amps look into JBL(awesome quality at cheap prices), JL, Kicker, MTX(not that thunder BS, total crap), Arc Audio, Xtant, Memphis, Zapco, US Amps. do not look at HiFonics, it is complete **** just like Audiobahn. for subs. look at JL, Memphis, Adire Audio, Resonant Engineering, Kicker(Comp VR, L5's and L7's have horrible SQ, but can/do get loud), Orion, and MTX 8000's and up(anything below is ****) and Rockford Fosgates best products were in the 80's and 90's, but their newer line of subs and amps arent bad, but not as good as their older products, HX2's arent bad subs. your aftermarket cd player will put out around 10-25rms, not 50. it will be good enough to power speakers, but not components. you are better off getting a 4 channel amp to power your speakers or components. a 75rmsx4 channel amp would good for this. when looking at anything. look at the RMS or continous power handling, MAX WATTS doesnt mean anything. if you have two 12" subs that handle 250rms. look at a 500rms amp, but remember the OHMS law. also a line out converter will work, but all in all, you are better off replacing it with an aftermarket HU. no matter what you think. your stock stereo sucks.lol. also no HU will power 8 speakers, your HU is not an amp and you do not bridge a HU. if you want to use your stock speakers with your new HU (god forbid) get a 4 channel amp. but yet again, replacing your Entire stock stereo is your best bet. as i always say "no one ever said this was going to be cheap" also. think twice buy once. good products will last, while crappy products will not last.
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Nov 24, 2004 - 9:52 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jul 7, '04 From Germantown, WI Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
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