 i have learned to hate auto's, deatails inside |
 Oct 29, 2004 - 2:39 AM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Jun 29, '03 From canoga park , ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
sooo im goin down the street and this lil ford focus zx3 pulls up next to me... i think oh no not another one. so he revs i rev we go... i had him till he hit 3rd gear and i was just gettin out of second. then he pulled, he had me by a half a car length. but still if that 3rd gear had any power i would have beat him.... so do you guys know of anything at all that can cure this auto problem. besides a 5 speed swap?? PLEASE HELP MY BABY IS TO SLOW... maybe those cars are faster than i thought.
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Oct 29, 2004 - 5:37 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
NAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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Oct 29, 2004 - 6:31 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 7, '04 From charlotte N.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
you could get a better car. i mean serisouly you have a 17 second car. i feel confident my moms mazda minivan would smoke your car.
-------------------- Former: 96 GT 5 speed (i/p/e) Fate- rear ended by mack truck
00 GTS 6 speed (i/ Bored TB 63mm - 68.5mm w/ butterfly/ Ported IM/ IMG/ PFC/ Commander/ datalogit/ Ported & heat wrapped Header/ Decat/ UEGO/) 193FWHP 14.2(1/4mi) @98mph, 2.12 60ft (just intake, unbolted Exhaust, and gutted) Fate- side swipped by 18 wheeler at 75mph. Next: maybe an elise |
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Oct 29, 2004 - 6:35 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 16, '03 From Bay area Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yea the celicas third gear pulls like a little girl.
there isnt much you can do to the 7afe engine without the use of force induction. what makes me sad is the 5600 rpm redline. you can try putting smaller tires on the front to lower the gear ratio on all the gears. |
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Oct 29, 2004 - 9:46 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '03 From Bloomington, IN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Weren't you bragging about how your auto is just as good? Oh maybe that's just when you and paul walker go canyon racing
-------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
92 Civic hatch B16 - Sold 10th anniv RX-7 - RIP The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing. Quote from Seinfeild: George's Boss reading a magazine: "People magazine's most beautiful people. Oh and a Celica...nothin wrong with that!" |
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Oct 29, 2004 - 9:55 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 18, '04 From Charlotte, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
My third gear hauls ass! thats where i always win a race is in third. and anyway the redline is 6200
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Oct 29, 2004 - 10:30 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
But the best part is, when you bitch about having a redline at 6200, you dont know a thing about your car.. an thats why you loose.. you need to learn your power band.. I have beaten so many cars that should have spanked me, just cause i know my car, an they dont know theres. The point is to stay in your power band, theres no reason to take it to red at all.. your doing nothing but slowing yuor self down.. and with having an auto st, your scewed.. you have like an 18 sec car.
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Oct 29, 2004 - 11:07 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 15, '03 From Aurora IL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i agree with this.. the ST loses power @ anything above 4000rpm. if you want power, turbo the car. any mods you do to the 7afe will be external in nature. meaning, you won't see any signifigant gains from intake/exhaust/header. that being said, if you were serious about performance, worry about cutting corners on another aspect of the car : weight. smaller wheels, 5 speed transmission swap, take out back seat, drive with a quarter tank of gas, etc. it sounds stupid, but every little bit can make a difference. until you can afford a turbo / swap, this is the only way to go. you won't do anything by building up the 7a, it isn't a performing motor. |
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Oct 29, 2004 - 11:20 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jul 7, '04 From Germantown, WI Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
^^^ WERD ^^^
I went from a 94 ST auto, sold it. Next year boutght my 95 GT 5 Speed, night and day man. Even without weight reduction measures Im sure it would make short work of some punk in a Focus hehe. Also yes know your powerband |
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Oct 29, 2004 - 11:25 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From ny to philly Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I disagree with this. max hp is at 5600 rpm. if I'm 'pretending' to go fast I shift at 5800 
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Oct 29, 2004 - 11:32 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
yeah but thats the peak, and if you know about power bands, it drops after peak horibly.. thats why you go to say 5200 and then shift so when your shifting your only droping to say 4200.. still in power band, and hp is not what your really looking for.ts the increase in trq band, witch starts at 2500 .. Thats why you notice your car hitting up around 3k .. Cause hp is only a mathmatical figure from trq. |
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Oct 29, 2004 - 11:37 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Shouldn't you be doing a RWD 7AGZTE swap? What are you racing for?
It's exactly as I said isn't it? -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 29, 2004 - 11:38 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From ny to philly Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
well yeah I know all of that. but from driving my own car I will tell you that shifting at ~5800 is about optimal for what mods I have. I haven't analyzed my powerband nor do I plan to, this is still a 7a we are talking about, I'm just giving the guy my 2 cents |
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Oct 29, 2004 - 11:43 AM
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Enthusiast Joined May 18, '04 From Charlotte, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i was just making a statment that it redlines at 6200 rather then the 5600 someone had stated, but yes ur right no need to take it that high, i usally shift right around 5800, or at least i try to.
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Oct 29, 2004 - 11:56 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
the 1.8L has a powerband?? Umm...not much...Its slow no mater how you look at it... I think the car is just as fast when you drive it normal and drive it to redline
Just race it to be funny. I got beat by a newer corolla S in my ST 5spd.
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Oct 29, 2004 - 11:58 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Contrary to the numbers... the 7AFE delivers a very flat torque band, although peaking at 2500 rpms... doesn't dramatically drop off till about 5000 rpms. The 7AFE better utilizes the delivered powerband in acceleration than say the 5SFE. I always shift at fuel-cut... which is around 6700 rpms for my ST (some models redline at 5600 with a 6200 fuel-cut. Some redline at 6200 with a 6700 rpm fuel-cut.) and I've consistantly run faster times that way.
-------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 29, 2004 - 1:03 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 31, '03 From BC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
dude seriosuly I have an ST (auto) and I'm pretty sure a Toyota echo could smoke my ass.
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Oct 29, 2004 - 1:22 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
yes a echo could..just about anything can take a ST...i dont think there is a newer car out that couldnt. even i hybrid would take it i bet. Now a older car not running in prime condition can be had by a ST...for instance my friend has a 88' grand prix 2.8L v6 with 180k miles and i can take him. 1st and 2nd we are even and 3rd i pull him. BTW, he runs 19's are the track
hahaha
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Oct 29, 2004 - 1:43 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 15, '03 From Aurora IL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
heh yeah.. that's the sad thing about the ST, i notice no difference between normal driving & hitting the redline.. it's sad really. oh well.. |
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Oct 29, 2004 - 3:36 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 4, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ahhahahhaah kwanza i dont think anyone else has gotten that. --------------------  hows it taste motha f*cka |
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Oct 29, 2004 - 4:33 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 7, '04 From charlotte N.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
nope i did, and i laughed my ass of. but serisouly shady whens that goin down? -------------------- Former: 96 GT 5 speed (i/p/e) Fate- rear ended by mack truck
00 GTS 6 speed (i/ Bored TB 63mm - 68.5mm w/ butterfly/ Ported IM/ IMG/ PFC/ Commander/ datalogit/ Ported & heat wrapped Header/ Decat/ UEGO/) 193FWHP 14.2(1/4mi) @98mph, 2.12 60ft (just intake, unbolted Exhaust, and gutted) Fate- side swipped by 18 wheeler at 75mph. Next: maybe an elise |
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Oct 29, 2004 - 11:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 From canoga park , ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
nah im workin on it still he was makin jokes. but i figured out why i lost... my engine burns oil lieka bitch and i forgot to put soem in it goes through 1 qt a week. soo. i had no oil.an d the rwd is nto going to happen i mean it could but to much work. as for the z and the t im still working that out. |
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Nov 3, 2004 - 8:31 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From San Diego CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
 funny ****but seriously the ST doesnt have the **** loads of power like say a WRX or SRT-4 or even the new SI civic. so i say screw the drag racing. but if you really want to drag you can lightening up the car. like stated earlier lose the back seats, panels, carpet, spare tire, jack, and passenger seat. lose AC/heater. stick with the 14 inch rims with a grippy tire and lose a little weight up front. lighter hood, smaller battery and what not. itll be a little quick off the line but you ll still get owned at a drag strip. but take that same car to a auto x event. do a about 2 years of practicing and after 2 years youll be whooping ass left and right. ive actually ran even with a 7th gen GT and also a Type R at these events. since it focus more on the driver then the car. |
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Nov 3, 2004 - 9:03 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 From canoga park , ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
red sun i did that and more. theres alot you can take out of the celi. member i was up at the chino meet. i can keep up with alot of the canyon runners out here. so im good to go i just thought it was a shame that a focus zx3 beat me . but no one ever answered my question... can you do anyhting to the auto in my car to make 3rd gear have more tq.
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Nov 3, 2004 - 10:10 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
What? Like modify the tranny? AUTO trannies are made to be efficient... They're not made for performance. It's got only 4 tall gears... There are no DIY modifications that can be done to improve a tranny, in fact... I don't reccomend trying to even mess with a tranny unless you're skilled and experienced and have all of the right tools... Simple answer... get rid of it. Swap in a manual. C50, C52, C56... 2 different 5 speeds some available with LSD, one 6 speed version w/ or w/o LSD (C56)... This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Nov 3, 2004 - 10:13 PM -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Nov 3, 2004 - 11:02 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
fyi, its the engine that makes the torque, tranny just puts it to the wheels. you want more torque, get some mods on the engine. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Nov 3, 2004 - 11:10 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '02 From Webster Ma. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
i had an auto st also. boo sold it for the gt standard. night and day. like he said before. sell the car. i was getting beat buy 90whp eclipses lol.
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Nov 3, 2004 - 11:18 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 13, '03 From California Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
damn...and i thought my gt was slow -------------------- 2011 Spice Orange Mini Cooper
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Nov 3, 2004 - 11:27 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '02 From Webster Ma. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
haha its bad man. today i realized how slow a N/A GT is also. a pipe came undone = no boost. from 13 to 0. the car just wasn't fun at all. but from going to an st to gt i was like holy cow this is faster than a viper! lol. not really -------------------- |
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Nov 4, 2004 - 1:50 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 18, '04 From San Diego Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
what is the GT's powerband? at what rpm should you shift it?
if i'm ever racing i usually shift at 6k from first to second and shift around 5600 in the other gears. the car just chirps harder when i rev it up higher in the first gear. Because of our cars high torque(but i dont understand why i thought it peaks at 4400rmp??), i usually jump up quite a bit from just shifting from 1st to 2nd. Ive even hung with a trans am for the first gear and half. then i got owned, but i was pretty surprised we were side by side for a second or two. but when i hit third and fourth gear i get pulled on by pretty much everything except civics. I always take the intergas at first and then by the time i'm in 5th gear there 2-3 cars a head of me. Our top end just blows. This post has been edited by ssnake86: Nov 4, 2004 - 1:51 AM |
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Nov 4, 2004 - 12:26 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
although torque is made by the power the gear ratios control howe efficiently the power is used. the manual is his best bet, since like Kwanza said the Auto only has 4 gears.
it's like going 1-2-4-5 or 1-2-3-5 but to make up for losing a gear they lengthen every gear. generally the higher the gear the more lengthening. A 5-speed would help your cause, but be careful to by one that the 7A can use efficiently. ie. i dont feel an e153 belongs w/ a 5S. it might slow it down --------------------  |
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Nov 4, 2004 - 5:11 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 From canoga park , ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
thanks kwanza. i dunno what im gonna do now.... its to much money and time to put in a 5 speed. soo we will see.. and sccelica i have a few engine mods. but the simple fact is that the st auto tranny doesnt put anyhting down in 3rd. if i could change that ratio life would be good but i cant. This post has been edited by shadycrew31: Nov 4, 2004 - 5:14 PM |
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Dec 3, 2004 - 4:15 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 3, '04 From los angeles Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
 i feel ya man. autos suck. at first i didn't mind but going uphill makes me say in my head, "i think i can, i think i can, i think i can". i'm not sure how it is with manual tranny's but yah... this car is slow...i have a 94 gt
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