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post Feb 8, 2005 - 10:18 AM
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can someone make this bigger
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and this one

video
all results are with no tuning i didnt have time

well on my last run i turned up to 14 psi but started going lean at 3700 rpm at which point i made 167.3 whp and 205 trq i need bigger injectors this was 1/2 a pull it would have gone into the 200+ range if i had bigger injectors:D

the 2nd run i had a nice 9.5 psi hitting 170 whp and 180 trq biggrin.gif

the 1st run at 4.5 psi 126.95 whp and 162.03 wink.gif

i have a few videos but will have to get them up later wink.gif

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post Feb 8, 2005 - 10:22 AM
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nice results. there is hope afterall...

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post Feb 8, 2005 - 10:32 AM
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itchy only hit 187.8 whp and 195.8 trq at 13 psi on 93 octane
I hit 170 whp 180 trq at 9.5 psi on 92 octane

but remeber i have a T3 and itchy only has a ct-26 this is for all you new kids

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WHOA!!! you can get that much horsepower with a turbo on a stock ST?!?!? I thougth the tranny would not last that long on such power. Man, im gettin told so much different crap! im confused! but numbers dont lie i guess. where can I get a decent turbo for good honda killing horsepower without worrying about ruining my engine? (im a daily driver to and from work, and the occasional booty call) biggrin.gif

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If you look in his profil, he has a big list going. Its not as simple ase buy a turbo an slap on. And its going to cost money. But is that with the stock internals? I remember you looking for aftermarket internals and such.
post Feb 8, 2005 - 1:47 PM
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QUOTE(Digndoug @ Feb 8, 2005 - 10:40 AM)
If you look in his profil, he has a big list going. Its not as simple ase buy a turbo an slap on. And its going to cost money. But is that with the stock internals? I remember you looking for aftermarket internals and such.
[right][snapback]243435[/snapback][/right]


yeah i hit some good numbers but i think i'm going to head into the 7agte area better head with some better internals try and get 250 -300 whp

a tuned 7afte IMAO is good for 200 whp and some huge trq biggrin.gif
this kit is for sell but after these last numbers i might keep and just get a different manifold for the head swap


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QUOTE(doGGy @ Feb 8, 2005 - 6:48 PM)
WOW............
[right][snapback]243414[/snapback][/right]


Shiz, is amazing what our 7AFE is capable of..........man I'll turbo it NOW!!!!!!!! need few things!!!
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QUOTE(nik @ Feb 8, 2005 - 10:47 AM)
QUOTE(Digndoug @ Feb 8, 2005 - 10:40 AM)
If you look in his profil, he has a big list going. Its not as simple ase buy a turbo an slap on. And its going to cost money. But is that with the stock internals? I remember you looking for aftermarket internals and such.
[right][snapback]243435[/snapback][/right]


yeah i hit some good numbers but i think i'm going to head into the 7agte area better head with some better internals try and get 250 -300 whp

a tuned 7afte IMAO is good for 200 whp and some huge trq biggrin.gif
this kit is for sell but after these last numbers i might keep and just get a different manifold for the head swap
[right][snapback]243456[/snapback][/right]


if you are getting internals and a head swap

might as well go with a hybrid turbo.


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post Feb 8, 2005 - 2:48 PM
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QUOTE(97sccelica @ Feb 8, 2005 - 12:25 PM)
QUOTE(nik @ Feb 8, 2005 - 10:47 AM)
QUOTE(Digndoug @ Feb 8, 2005 - 10:40 AM)
If you look in his profil, he has a big list going. Its not as simple ase buy a turbo an slap on. And its going to cost money. But is that with the stock internals? I remember you looking for aftermarket internals and such.
[right][snapback]243435[/snapback][/right]


yeah i hit some good numbers but i think i'm going to head into the 7agte area better head with some better internals try and get 250 -300 whp

a tuned 7afte IMAO is good for 200 whp and some huge trq biggrin.gif
this kit is for sell but after these last numbers i might keep and just get a different manifold for the head swap
[right][snapback]243456[/snapback][/right]


if you are getting internals and a head swap

might as well go with a hybrid turbo.
[right][snapback]243466[/snapback][/right]



yeah i'll bump up to a t3 t4


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i'm goin turbo next month whats the safest boost for the 7afe??? i like the numbers @ 9.5psi would that be ok???
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QUOTE(nik @ Feb 8, 2005 - 3:32 PM)
itchy only hit 187.8 whp and 195.8 trq at 13 psi on 93 octane
I hit              170 whp          180 trq    at 9.5 psi on 92 octane

from these results i think at 13 psi the 7afte would have more power
[right][snapback]243384[/snapback][/right]


Uh.. thats not possible. Exponential turbo growth- an ST can't catch up to a GT with the same mods, same psi.
post Feb 8, 2005 - 3:49 PM
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Some decent power, but what happened at 14pis, looks like its lower, or does that say 87?

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post Feb 8, 2005 - 3:54 PM
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QUOTE(shid @ Feb 8, 2005 - 1:40 PM)
QUOTE(nik @ Feb 8, 2005 - 3:32 PM)
itchy only hit 187.8 whp and 195.8 trq at 13 psi on 93 octane
I hit              170 whp          180 trq    at 9.5 psi on 92 octane

from these results i think at 13 psi the 7afte would have more power
[right][snapback]243384[/snapback][/right]


Uh.. thats not possible. Exponential turbo growth- an ST can't catch up to a GT with the same mods, same psi.
[right][snapback]243484[/snapback][/right]


i think it comes down to the turbo's mine being a T3 and itchy having a CT-26 but that being said i think that at 13psi on itchy set and 13 psi on mine i think i would pull bigger or equal numbers. keep in mind this is IMAO


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QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Feb 8, 2005 - 1:49 PM)
Some decent power, but what happened at 14pis, looks like its lower, or does that say 87?
[right][snapback]243487[/snapback][/right]


i started going really lean at 3700 rpm so i cut the throttle it will push 14 psi if i can feed it ( bigger injectors) at 3700 rpm @ 14 psi i hit 167 whp and 205 trq and still had 2300 rpm to go


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post Feb 8, 2005 - 4:58 PM
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LOL. 205 lb-ft at 14psi... smile.gif
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QUOTE(doGGy @ Feb 8, 2005 - 3:03 PM)
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............im still speachless...........
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post Feb 8, 2005 - 8:43 PM
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Sweet deal dude....once again i have hope for my little st lol Nik u have a pm from me

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QUOTE(nik @ Feb 8, 2005 - 8:54 PM)
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QUOTE(nik @ Feb 8, 2005 - 3:32 PM)
itchy only hit 187.8 whp and 195.8 trq at 13 psi on 93 octane
I hit              170 whp          180 trq    at 9.5 psi on 92 octane

from these results i think at 13 psi the 7afte would have more power
[right][snapback]243384[/snapback][/right]


Uh.. thats not possible. Exponential turbo growth- an ST can't catch up to a GT with the same mods, same psi.
[right][snapback]243484[/snapback][/right]


i think it comes down to the turbo's mine being a T3 and itchy having a CT-26 but that being said i think that at 13psi on itchy set and 13 psi on mine i think i would pull bigger or equal numbers. keep in mind this is IMAO
[right][snapback]243489[/snapback][/right]


Uhh yeah, that'd be it; but if you were both on CT26s, you'd be nowhere near Itchy; same as if you were both on the same T3 turbo- but I think Itchy would get choked then.. hmm
post Feb 8, 2005 - 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(shid @ Feb 8, 2005 - 7:20 PM)
QUOTE(nik @ Feb 8, 2005 - 8:54 PM)
QUOTE(shid @ Feb 8, 2005 - 1:40 PM)
QUOTE(nik @ Feb 8, 2005 - 3:32 PM)
itchy only hit 187.8 whp and 195.8 trq at 13 psi on 93 octane
I hit              170 whp          180 trq    at 9.5 psi on 92 octane

from these results i think at 13 psi the 7afte would have more power
[right][snapback]243384[/snapback][/right]


Uh.. thats not possible. Exponential turbo growth- an ST can't catch up to a GT with the same mods, same psi.
[right][snapback]243484[/snapback][/right]


i think it comes down to the turbo's mine being a T3 and itchy having a CT-26 but that being said i think that at 13psi on itchy set and 13 psi on mine i think i would pull bigger or equal numbers. keep in mind this is IMAO
[right][snapback]243489[/snapback][/right]


Uhh yeah, that'd be it; but if you were both on CT26s, you'd be nowhere near Itchy; same as if you were both on the same T3 turbo- but I think Itchy would get choked then.. hmm
[right][snapback]243638[/snapback][/right]


uhh you dont have to be a dick about it thats why i said it came down to the turbos
speaking of turbo did you ever turbo?


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Amazing nik! Makes me want to just turbo mine rather than do the 3s swap.
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well thats in im turboing that just did it for me...good job

i want to see what edo's will do if he turboed his

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QUOTE(edo17982 @ Feb 8, 2005 - 11:54 AM)

Shiz, is amazing what our 7AFE is capable of..........man I'll turbo it NOW!!!!!!!! need few things!!!
[right][snapback]243458[/snapback][/right]



Edo you still owe us a dyno run.. mad.gif

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VERY nice numbers man. yeah i Was running the OLD ct-26 the huge friggen thing that spooled at 4k lol. now ive got a t3 ill re dyno later with larger 440cc injectors. but still man for a 1.8 to put that down thats awesome. best of luck with it.


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Sry to steal topic but would it be worth it to turbo a automatic?
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QUOTE(Hanyo @ Feb 9, 2005 - 8:08 AM)
QUOTE(edo17982 @ Feb 8, 2005 - 11:54 AM)

Shiz, is amazing what our 7AFE is capable of..........man I'll turbo it NOW!!!!!!!! need few things!!!
[right][snapback]243458[/snapback][/right]



Edo you still owe us a dyno run.. mad.gif
[right][snapback]243776[/snapback][/right]

owned.gif yup I know smile.gif
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QUOTE(Exile04 @ Feb 9, 2005 - 1:16 AM)
Sry to steal topic but would it be worth it to turbo a automatic?
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Hell Ya, turbo's only thing auto's are good for, don't lose any boost between shifts.


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post Feb 9, 2005 - 3:12 AM
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nice a$$ results biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(Drocay @ Feb 8, 2005 - 10:28 PM)
QUOTE(Exile04 @ Feb 9, 2005 - 1:16 AM)
Sry to steal topic but would it be worth it to turbo a automatic?
[right][snapback]243783[/snapback][/right]


Hell Ya, turbo's only thing auto's are good for, don't lose any boost between shifts.
[right][snapback]243789[/snapback][/right]


actually is goes up 2psi right after a shift.

well, my setup did.


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i wanna see videos im frikin pumped!
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QUOTE(d3monc3lica @ Feb 9, 2005 - 2:25 AM)
i wanna see videos im frikin pumped!
[right][snapback]243820[/snapback][/right]


who can host them and i will send a few?


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QUOTE(nik @ Feb 9, 2005 - 11:10 AM)
QUOTE(d3monc3lica @ Feb 9, 2005 - 2:25 AM)
i wanna see videos im frikin pumped!
[right][snapback]243820[/snapback][/right]


who can host them and i will send a few?
[right][snapback]243879[/snapback][/right]


upload it to yousendit.com or rapidshare.de

look forward to those vids smile.gif
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thanks ghost dog
i got 1 video on the first page check it out
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My video3

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QUOTE(nik @ Feb 9, 2005 - 11:41 AM)
thanks ghost dog
i got 1 video on the first page check it out
and here video
[right][snapback]243895[/snapback][/right]


nice vid. which run was that? what psi?

regardless she sounds great. love that growl with the bov at the end biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(nik @ Feb 9, 2005 - 3:26 AM)
QUOTE(shid @ Feb 8, 2005 - 7:20 PM)
QUOTE(nik @ Feb 8, 2005 - 8:54 PM)
QUOTE(shid @ Feb 8, 2005 - 1:40 PM)
QUOTE(nik @ Feb 8, 2005 - 3:32 PM)
itchy only hit 187.8 whp and 195.8 trq at 13 psi on 93 octane
I hit              170 whp          180 trq    at 9.5 psi on 92 octane

from these results i think at 13 psi the 7afte would have more power
[right][snapback]243384[/snapback][/right]


Uh.. thats not possible. Exponential turbo growth- an ST can't catch up to a GT with the same mods, same psi.
[right][snapback]243484[/snapback][/right]


i think it comes down to the turbo's mine being a T3 and itchy having a CT-26 but that being said i think that at 13psi on itchy set and 13 psi on mine i think i would pull bigger or equal numbers. keep in mind this is IMAO
[right][snapback]243489[/snapback][/right]


Uhh yeah, that'd be it; but if you were both on CT26s, you'd be nowhere near Itchy; same as if you were both on the same T3 turbo- but I think Itchy would get choked then.. hmm
[right][snapback]243638[/snapback][/right]


uhh you dont have to be a dick about it thats why i said it came down to the turbos
speaking of turbo did you ever turbo?
[right][snapback]243672[/snapback][/right]


I wasn't being a dick about it, you flately stated that a 7afte would be faster than a 5sfe, and thats also flately wrong. I simply pointed that out, which prompted you to bring up the different turbos- if some newbie was reading that, he wouldn't bother to find out your different turbos.

I'm sorry if I seemed like I was being a dick about it tho

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As for the numbers... good stuff nik. Expect to see those numbers reversed (hp/torque) when you go 7AG... ;]


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shid good point i wasnt being clear for the new people i edited a pervious post to point that out smile.gif


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ok guys i'm starting to gather parts it my take awhile for the 7agte

things i need
4agze head, wiring harness, and ecu
gze pistons 8.0:1
4age manifold intake (bigger throttle body) i think gotta check again
jgstool 4age manifold for turbo ( i might go custom )
t3 t4 turbo
cam gears
radiator after market
rods ( not sure if i'll use stock or go after market )
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those are some good a$$ numbers. i wish i had enough money to buy your kit.
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haha sweet very very nice...you gave me hope and i happened to get lucky and we just finished turbo-ing my friends civic hatch and he had 2 intercoolers so he gave me one of them...so that saved me some money..its a johnnyracecar intercooler....

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QUOTE(initialdrift55 @ Feb 9, 2005 - 11:47 AM)
haha sweet very very nice...you gave me hope and i happened to get lucky and we just finished turbo-ing my friends civic hatch and he had 2 intercoolers so he gave me one of them...so that saved me some money..its a johnnyracecar intercooler....

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Hmm, makes me want to do the 1.8L 20V turbo build in my 5th gen even more smile.gif
post Feb 9, 2005 - 4:38 PM
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QUOTE(Mike431635 @ Feb 9, 2005 - 2:24 PM)
Hmm, makes me want to do the 1.8L 20V turbo build in my 5th gen even more smile.gif
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i though about that a 20v black top swap with a turbo but i think the 7agte would produce some good power ray hall got 300


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post Feb 9, 2005 - 4:42 PM
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didnt that one guy get around 390hp with the 20v ? i lost the link.
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Luv it! Good Job! If you change the internals it would be hot to see that car a 6 speed
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QUOTE(Nemises @ Feb 9, 2005 - 3:28 PM)
Luv it! Good Job! If you change the internals it would be hot to see that car a 6 speed
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7agte with a 6 speed pushing around 300whp that would be nice


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QUOTE(nik @ Feb 9, 2005 - 10:10 AM)
ok guys i'm starting to gather parts it my take awhile for the 7agte

things i need
4agze head, wiring harness, and ecu
gze pistons 8.0:1
4age manifold intake (bigger throttle body) i think gotta check again
jgstool 4age manifold for turbo ( i might go custom )
t3 t4 turbo
cam gears
radiator after market
rods ( not sure if i'll use stock or go after market )
i think thats most of the main stuff
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if you are going to do that much work, why not get an aftermarket ems?

it has to be easier than dealing with making a hybrid harness.

wiring the SDS system in my friends Z took a day, and it started on the first try. the hardest thing about it was drilling 4 holes in the crank pully for the Hall sensor setup.


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QUOTE(nik @ Feb 9, 2005 - 10:32 PM)
QUOTE(Nemises @ Feb 9, 2005 - 3:28 PM)
Luv it! Good Job! If you change the internals it would be hot to see that car a 6 speed
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7agte with a 6 speed pushing around 300whp that would be nice
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And I believe an advantage that the GT guys cant do
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Think you could shoot a vid of you under hard acceleration? wouldnt mind seeing how quick your car is with accelerating
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the nick listed: for teh 7a

things i need
4agze head, wiring harness, and ecu
gze pistons 8.0:1
4age manifold intake (bigger throttle body) i think gotta check again
jgstool 4age manifold for turbo ( i might go custom )
t3 t4 turbo
cam gears
radiator after market
rods ( not sure if i'll use stock or go after market )
i think thats most of the main stuff

im thinking this would be cheaper than getting a 3sgte...but around how much?


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QUOTE(StaticKnotX @ Feb 10, 2005 - 10:42 AM)
Think you could shoot a vid of you under hard acceleration? wouldnt mind seeing how quick your car is with accelerating
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like out on the street yeah i can do that. give me a a few days and i'll have a video up. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(easternpiro1 @ Feb 10, 2005 - 10:53 AM)
the nick listed: for teh 7a

things i need
4agze head, wiring harness, and ecu                                                $700
gze pistons 8.0:1                                                                            $200
4age manifold intake (bigger throttle body) i think gotta check again  $75
jgstool 4age manifold for turbo ( i might go custom )                          $250
t3 t4 turbo                                                                                  $300-1000
cam gears                                                                                  $100-400
radiator after market                                                                    $200
rods ( not sure if i'll use stock or go after market )                          $350-700
i think thats most of the main stuff                                  total $2175-3425

im thinking this would be cheaper than getting a 3sgte...but around how much?
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i missed a few parts but 2000-3500 in parts you can get some of this stuff cheaper but then you have labor if you dont do it yourself as for me i'll be doing 90% of the work


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QUOTE(nik @ Feb 10, 2005 - 5:54 PM)
QUOTE(StaticKnotX @ Feb 10, 2005 - 10:42 AM)
Think you could shoot a vid of you under hard acceleration? wouldnt mind seeing how quick your car is with accelerating
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like out on the street yeah i can do that. give me a a few days and i'll have a video up. biggrin.gif
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awesome man, you rock. Could you do it with a somewhat high psi too? wanna see what hard drive looks like biggrin.gif Thanks...will help me decide if I wanna turbo the car or save up for a new car

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bump for anyone that didnt see it biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by nik: Feb 17, 2005 - 11:36 AM


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i wanna see the vid!
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i wanna see it too
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I'm bringing this back to show the number that this kit got beacuse its for sale


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and im stealing it and i want to see some videos... all the old ones are expired biggrin.gif


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????


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QUOTE(Blakout16 @ Apr 4, 2005 - 12:03 PM)
and im stealing it and i want to see some videos... all the old ones are expired biggrin.gif
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i have them saved on disk some where the site i had them on only does 7days then they expire i'll try and find them and get them up again


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