3sgte head on a 5sfe 2.2l motor?, Has anyone done this conversion? Options

[apexi_gt4]

Ok well I'm doing some research on things before I go buy a 5th gen or 6th gen which I prefer. I'm planning for a project car and it seems to me to get a better in expenses is just get a 5th gen All-Trac. But in the other hand the 6th gen is much better in looks and will be better in performance, just the thing is the expenses. But to cut to the point anyone here know or has done a 3sgte conversion head to a 5s,7a motor etc...

[snadman]

I think one guy one here has done the 4AGE head on his 7AFE, but I have no clue if anyone has the done a 3SGE head swap.

[ummmx2]

yea. some guy with mr2 guy had a 3sge head on a 5sfe block. and ran it at like 500 whp or something like that.

[Rueben]

i know someone who did it with an MR2 and it has heaps of torque, i dunno if it was the 2.2 or the combo

[Doge]

The 3sgte head will fit on to the 5sfe block and has been done over and over in MR2's. For more info go to mr2oc.com. Doing the swap in a 6th Gen will be as costly, complicated, and time consuming as doing a whole 3sgte swap. Also... the better performer is going to be the 5th gen all trac... it has all wheel drive.. the only advantage the 6th gen has is style... and lots of it to boot

[Punch]

we shold try this, it build alot of power and it has been done by MR-s guys alot we should try it !!! it cost about the same as a 3sgte swap...

[Komlofske]

DGPerformance is doing a project regarding something like this. Ask him. He has tons of knowhow

[Punch]

DG shold keep us up to date!!!

[OrbitalGT95]

what is dave doing and why wasn't i informed???

[celica3sgte]

That makes two of us. Explain yourself Dave.

[Punch]

some one should find out about the 3sgte rods & if they fit on the 5s crank

[FallenHero]

http://www.club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_pa...%20and%207A.htm

EDIT:I am a player, and I keep up with other toyota pages.

This post has been edited by FallenHero: Mar 3, 2005 - 2:02 AM

[Kwanza26]

some one should find out about the 3sgte rods & if they fit on the 5s crank
[right][snapback]252514[/snapback][/right]

They don't... journals are smaller on the 3S...

The only time a 5SG hybrid is a good idea is when forced induction is involved.

[Punch]

we could get them re sized to fit !!!

[Punch]

DG where are you?, keep us up to date!!!

[fastgt]

http://www.jimsnodgrass.com/enginebuildup.htm


took a little but i found it

[presure2]

you guys that are into this should really head over to mr2oc.com...theres a TON of info on this in the JDM/hybrid section

[Punch]

they do it alot of hybrid MR-2, we should shold also!!!

[Punch]

if any one is planing on it look at this frist 2.2 3S-GTE 5S-GTE

[Punch]

did some searching& talking if you get the 5s crank machined for the 3s-gte rods thats the hard part!

[Punch]

you need 3sgte pistons ,your block has to match up with the 3sgte head if it does your good if not your block has to get matched up.

This post has been edited by Punch: Mar 17, 2005 - 6:00 PM

[1bwilson]

To everyone reading punch's comment, DO NOT put 3sgte pistons on your 5sfe block! They will not fit. if they did everyong looking for pistons for the 5sfTe would be running 3sgte forged ones. They are just to small.

[Punch]

you are right!!!!

A month? Wishful thinking. It took three months to get all machine work done and have all parts in, engine assembled and car fired up. Both rods will fit, upgraded 5S rods are $$$$, 3S rods are cheaper but you'll still spend a bit to grind down the journals on the crank. CP makes stroker pistons that are the size of 5S pistons but with valve reliefs for the 3S head. Depending on the 5S block you may need to have water channels drilled. Etc etc. A good time to consider upgrading the head.

| | | Inbox


Well, if you’re using the 5SFE block you need the 5SFE pistons unless you get an overbored set of 3SGTE ones, which would pretty much make them 5SFE pistons. You’ll have to get the crank modified if you use 3SGTE rods as well. That combo should have no problem hitting 300 hp.


this is form
Jim Snodgrass <snodgrass23@hotmail.com> this is the guy from http://www.jimsnodgrass.com/enginebuildup.htm

This post has been edited by Punch: Mar 17, 2005 - 10:30 PM

[Punch]

I got all the patrs form both motors i will take pics ad post up

[Punch]

prostreetonline.com

This post has been edited by Punch: Mar 19, 2005 - 10:28 AM

[Punch]

the size on the 3s-gte pistons are 86mm, the 5s-fe pistons are 87mm

[BlackSTX]

I'd like to see the 5s block with a BEAMS ge head on it. Hey, wouldn't that be like a prelude (2.2L)....

[Punch]

thtah would be nice!!!

[Punch]

race ENG If any 1 is gonna try this you need 5s turbo pistons there are $500 with rings from wiseco...

[Punch]

any one try 2jz pistons & rods with this set up??
the 2J rods fit the 5s crank the stroke I am not sure if ther are the same???

[Kwanza26]

any one try 2jz pistons & rods with this set up??
the 2J rods fit the 5s crank the stroke I am not sure if ther are the same???
[right][snapback]279328[/snapback][/right]

I have an idea! you can JB weld 2 more cylinders onto the 5S block, then you can do a BEAMS head and a 2ZZ celica head so you can have both VVTi and LIFT... and then you can just direct swap in everything 2JZ to the block then you can make instant 1000hp!!!

That's how silly you're beginning to sound punch...

[Punch]

the pistons from the 2JZ are the same size as the 5s piston & thats a fact... the 2jz rods have the same journal size as 5s rods; I will test the the stroke lenth today & get back to you...
I will take pics of every thing for you Kwanza26 to show you.

[Kwanza26]

the pistons from the 2JZ are the same size as the 5s piston & thats a fact... the 2jz rods have the same journal size as 5s rods; I will test the the stroke lenth today & get back to you... 
I will take pics of every thing for you Kwanza26 to show you.
[right][snapback]279881[/snapback][/right]

Do you *need* me to post specs?

2JZ bore diameter is 86.1mm and the pin diameter is 21mm. 5SFE bore is 87mm and pin diameter is 22mm. That alone should show how things won't fit. This is assuming the pistons are the same height, the rod spacing is the same, amougst other measurements. Even if you get overbored pistons, the wrists won't match. Let's say you'll then bore out pin slots... and then you get unknown compression levels... well, by that time, you'll put out enough money to just get some overbored 3SGTE pistons, which are basic drop-ins because they share same pin diameters and overall piston design. Even better... you can also get custom pistons... As for the rods, 2JZ has 52mm rod journals like the 5SFE... but... the rod lengths are very different, the 2JZ rods being 142mm long while the 5SFE are 138mm...

Need I say more?

[Punch]

TOSHAE!!!
Yes specs would be nice...

This post has been edited by Punch: Apr 29, 2005 - 10:56 PM

[Punch]

no specs yet !!!


I will put everything together & post pics just to make sure...
hey you can't knock it unless you try it did you try it???

[Kwanza26]

no specs yet !!!


I will put everything together  & post pics just to make sure...
hey you can't knock it unless you try it did you try it???
[right][snapback]282506[/snapback][/right]

Umm... specs are all posted in my previous post... if you cared to read it.

[nik]

the pistons from the 2JZ are the same size as the 5s piston & thats a fact... the 2jz rods have the same journal size as 5s rods; I will test the the stroke lenth today & get back to you... 
I will take pics of every thing for you Kwanza26 to show you.
[right][snapback]279881[/snapback][/right]

Do you *need* me to post specs?

2JZ bore diameter is 86.1mm and the pin diameter is 21mm. 5SFE bore is 87mm and pin diameter is 22mm. That alone should show how things won't fit. This is assuming the pistons are the same height, the rod spacing is the same, amougst other measurements. Even if you get overbored pistons, the wrists won't match. Let's say you'll then bore out pin slots... and then you get unknown compression levels... well, by that time, you'll put out enough money to just get some overbored 3SGTE pistons, which are basic drop-ins because they share same pin diameters and overall piston design. Even better... you can also get custom pistons... As for the rods, 2JZ has 52mm rod journals like the 5SFE... but... the rod lengths are very different, the 2JZ rods being 142mm long while the 5SFE are 138mm...

Need I say more?
[right][snapback]279892[/snapback][/right]

ha ha i just did almost the same listing for the 7afe for lengths of rods etc a few weeks ago i swear some people dont listen they hear it works and then they run out a buy stuff that doesnt

[Punch]

I didn't buy I got 2-2J blocks sitting around, that are about to get tossed...
Why not try???

[Punch]

Kwanza26
what is the compression on 5s pistons???

[Kwanza26]

Kwanza26 
what is the  compression on 5s pistons???
[right][snapback]286801[/snapback][/right]

9:5:1

[Punch]

thanks