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![]() Enthusiast ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) ![]() |
well tomorrow i'm racing a 99 eclipse gsx the crank power is 210 hrs 214 trq what do you think she is putting to the ground
i'm think a 20% loss because of the all-wheel drive so 175 whp 178 trq if this is right and i leave my boost at 9.5 which is 170 whp and 180 trq i should take her i'll probably up it to 10-11 psi -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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If you top it up to 10-11psi, you may run out of fuel... and run lean, melt your piston or worse
![]() Leave it on 9.5 and see what happends.. And tell us how it was, better take video or somthing ![]() QUOTE(nik @ Feb 17, 2005 - 10:31 AM) well tomorrow i'm racing a 99 eclipse gsx the crank power is 210 hrs 214 trq what do you think she is putting to the ground i'm think a 20% loss because of the all-wheel drive so 175 whp 178 trq if this is right and i leave my boost at 9.5 which is 170 whp and 180 trq i should take her i'll probably up it to 10-11 psi [right][snapback]247269[/snapback][/right] -------------------- Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...
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should be a nice race, but as doggy said i would leave it alone. You should have a good chance at it cause the wieght of it.
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i think i will leave it at 9.5 psi.Yeah i'm getting a friend to video it. now i have to go figure out which rpm to lanch at to get max traction. today i think i'll stop by her work and take a look under the hood. See if she has any surprizes for me.
she has been in a car club around her for the last few years and 2 guys in that club have 1 97 integra 400+ whp ( we dyno at the same place) other rollin a 90 talon 600 whp mostly just for racing but drives it around half of the summer This post has been edited by nik: Feb 17, 2005 - 1:01 PM -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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if 140ish hp turns into 95ish hp on a dyno for a FF, i'd say 35% loss ;-)
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QUOTE if 140ish hp turns into 95ish hp on a dyno for a FF, i'd say 35% loss ;-) 140ish at the wheels (my wheel numbers are just coming from the burien website dyno) your so smart it's cute ![]() -------------------- ![]() Now SR powered |
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lol, creepy Jack...Creepy
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should be a good race. i can't wait to see the results. good luck. w00t for 7afte's.
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35% is ridiculously high. Its generally a 10-15% loss for FWD and 20-25% loss on RWD and 25-30% on AWD.
Also, the GSX is not a light car, your car will underweigh it, and with the close of power, you stand a good chance. Just make sure you have a decent launch because AWD will take FWD everytime. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Feb 17, 2005 - 1:34 PM -------------------- |
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i was just going off the dynos
it doesn't seem right but i dont have any other #'s to go off ![]() This post has been edited by Consynx: Feb 17, 2005 - 1:32 PM -------------------- ![]() |
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Do you have any information regarding the cars? ST/GT and what not?
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GT, the first dyno is before turbo, and 2nd is after turbo
![]() unless they're trying to do a lil scam, which is possible This post has been edited by Consynx: Feb 17, 2005 - 1:38 PM -------------------- ![]() |
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i looked in power pages for import tuner they had a baseline for the project 99 gst at 168 whp i'll find the link hold on
here dyno results 165 hp at 185.0 lb-ft of torque and thats on a FWD eclipse turbo so i would take another 10% less for 2 more wheels to power so...might be as low as 149 whp 167 trq This post has been edited by nik: Feb 17, 2005 - 1:48 PM -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Yeah its a 5sfe turbo I forgot. Thats horrible numbers, drivetrain loss should not be that high.
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If its 168awhp thats 20% loss and real low for AWD.
Nevermind you said GST, not GSX. Yeah thats mediocre for FWD. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Feb 17, 2005 - 1:43 PM -------------------- |
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i've been had...by Burien
![]() w/ an ST that's 15% tranny loss at first, and w/ GT in end... and check a DSM forum, my roomate is into them and i remember him one time going off about the rating HP on those... btw, i agree Erik, the tranny loss should not be that high. wish we had some stock 2nd gen 3S dynos so we can tell what is being lost from the 225. This post has been edited by Consynx: Feb 17, 2005 - 1:45 PM -------------------- ![]() |
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Why did they put an ST on the same dyno as a GT? I dont get it, something is messed up.
Where did you find that information about the ST? This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Feb 17, 2005 - 1:44 PM -------------------- |
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lol, dont know for sure if it is an ST, but yea...
i really dont see a 30% tranny loss on a stock set-up and also, 143 when running 5psi from their site: "The kit is designed to run 5 to 7 psi. Dyno tests showed an increase of 45.4 front wheel horsepower. We tested at 5 pounds of boost. This is about what we expected and should put close to 190 hp at the crank. Keep in mind, we're not trying to build record shattering race cars, we're just taking a great car such as the Celica or MR2 NA and giving it a bit more power so it behaves more like the sports car it was intended to be. Besides, Turbo MR2's are getting hard to find and are getting quite expensive. " they calculated a 25% loss on the FF... weird. i got class now, i'll read what else has been said when i get back -------------------- ![]() |
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Yeah I've read it a couple times. Somethings not right. To lose about a 27% power on a FWD car is absurd.
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I only lost 24% on both my AWD DSMs. The car holds power well. It weighs roughly 3000 lbs. Celica weighs roughly 2600. The AWD will pwn you off the line. And on the disbelief many non-owneres have, the AWD does not "suck" off the roll. Also, DSMs are hella-easy to modify. A 50 dollar boost controller will put the car at 14psi and roughly put 210 down to the wheels. I'd be shocked that a tuner would own a 100% stock Eclipse. AWD shouldn't be taken lightly.
Also, since you wondering where to launch. Look at your dyno sheets and launch at the max torque number. Should be around 4500 rpms or so. May be different since your turbo. -Ti This post has been edited by turboinduction: Feb 17, 2005 - 2:13 PM |
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I'd think his max tq is where his turbo becomes fully spooled, 3s thats around 3K, idk what 5sTs behave like.
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Imao if the drivers are equal you will get beat. If she doesn't know how to drive it you will probably win. My friend had a 94 GSX and it was quick, it ran high 13's in the quarter mile. If its stock it will run low 14's, she will definatly get you off the line, but depending on how long the race is you may catch up.
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well enough with the guessing tomorrow we will find out
![]() win or lose it should be fun ![]() -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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im pretty sure that DSM owners will not say they ran low 14's stock
although that seems to be the time over some internet sites, i've heard several times that a DSM will run 14.5+ now, and it goes up depending on condition of the motor. honestly, i do think you will lose unless she can't drive, or it's longer than 1/3 mile -------------------- ![]() |
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QUOTE(Consynx @ Feb 17, 2005 - 1:23 PM) honestly, i do think you will lose unless she can't drive, or it's longer than 1/3 mile [right][snapback]247330[/snapback][/right] ![]() -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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just based on the cars...heh
dont be confused...i just spit a # like someone said, if the drivers are equal it aint looking too good for you, but if they slow down in any way you can take them in 1/4 otherwise i think u just need a tad bit more space to pull -------------------- ![]() |
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this is claimed to be a bone stock dyno that Seanscr from celicatech did right after his 3sgte swap into a fwd 5fh gen. 6th gens should be about the same.
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13ish % is much more like it, thank you Lagos...u da man
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Yeah that sounds about right, right between 10-15.
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well...what happend?
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bump for what happened?
-------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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she was a no show i'm going to talk to her today and find out what happen
-------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Nice win by default....too bad I wanted to see what happened too
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damnit..that sucks balls. find her and race her.
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i've raced a gst (them running 15psi) and pretty much only lost due to car acting up over 5krpm at the time of the race.
if only i ran 15psi as well, it would have made it a much more fair race ![]() This post has been edited by xeril: Feb 22, 2005 - 1:19 AM |
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