Headers of 5S-FE, Not Stupid post, read Options

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

http://www.hotshot.com/main.htm
There's a link to the hotshot headers for the 5S-FE. I'm not sure if this is the same company that is making headers for that big group buy or not. Either way, here's some info on it.

EDIT: Checked it, it's definately not the same as the group buy one. But this one is $457. This one seems to be from a lot more creditable place though. Bad thing is its for the 90-93 5S-FE, but it should fit with/without mild mods. Correct me if I'm wrong.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Feb 28, 2005 - 1:09 AM

[94Toy]

It says that is fits all 2.2 celica's but are there slight diferences in the design of the 5th gen header compared to the 6th gen?

This post has been edited by 94Toy: Feb 28, 2005 - 5:15 AM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

It says that is fits all 2.2 celica's but are there slight diferences in the design of the 5th gen header compared to the 6th gen?
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I'm sure there are any differances. Cause the engines can be swapped easy. And I had a 90GT and it looked exactly the same. But you can't see everything, I guess there could be miner differences. All in all though, this looks to be a good qualitly header. The 4 into 2 into 1 shows that they actually put thought into it, and didn't just make a new exhaust manifold.

[liquor]

Nice! but 460 bucks...thats alot of money for a header!!!

[erics1one]

They don't have a Dyno! OMG this is maddness lol.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I called them and they said the dyno results will be posted in a cuple days. They said they've done them, they just haven't got them in yet. If I get a header, this will more than likely be my root. They may cost more, but they seem quality, and thats very important to me.

[erics1one]

Sweet. Make sure you post some numbers here, if they don't plan on doing so.

[spunky393]

I've explained this numerous of time in numerous post. The way the 90-93 5s-fe engine sits in the celica, and then the 5s-fe that sits in the mr2 are flat. No degree, meaning, when if you buy a header for the engine, but it's made for the mr2 or the 5th gen celica, it won't work. You would have to completely bend pipes the wrong way, and it would OF COURSE effect the outcome of the headers, may even be worst than what we got now.

[Kwanza26]

I've explained this numerous of time in numerous post.  The way the 90-93 5s-fe engine sits in the celica, and then the 5s-fe that sits in the mr2 are flat.  No degree, meaning, when if you buy a header for the engine, but it's made for the mr2 or the 5th gen celica, it won't work.  You would have to completely bend pipes the wrong way, and it would OF COURSE effect the outcome of the headers, may even be worst than what we got now.
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I disagree with that... The only modifications will be done after the runners... after or at the collector. This should not affect how the exhaust gasses are pulsed and should not affect performance to any major degree... and to make an aftermarket header worst than stock... that's gonna be very hard, considering the stocker uses small runners and has a built-in cat... ;]

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I've explained this numerous of time in numerous post.  The way the 90-93 5s-fe engine sits in the celica, and then the 5s-fe that sits in the mr2 are flat.  No degree, meaning, when if you buy a header for the engine, but it's made for the mr2 or the 5th gen celica, it won't work.  You would have to completely bend pipes the wrong way, and it would OF COURSE effect the outcome of the headers, may even be worst than what we got now.
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I disagree with that... The only modifications will be done after the runners... after or at the collector. This should not affect how the exhaust gasses are pulsed and should not affect performance to any major degree... and to make an aftermarket header worst than stock... that's gonna be very hard, considering the stocker uses small runners and has a built-in cat... ;]
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First off. Kwansa is right, the only mods would be the the downpipe. I've reseached this extinsively.

Second, that being settalled, this header is for the 2.2 liter celica. Didn't you check the link? The only difference is for ours is it is a 90-93 header. As I have explained in my previous posts, I don't think this will be a problem.

Third, if I don't get this header, I'm getting one for an mr2 and putting on my car just to prove that it's possable and not that hard. And the chances of that being done are more than me buying the celica header.

EDIT: Nice car there spunky. I like the real clean white cars. Makes me want to go out and buy some OEM skirts real bad.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Feb 28, 2005 - 11:48 PM

[spunky393]

I've explained this numerous of time in numerous post.  The way the 90-93 5s-fe engine sits in the celica, and then the 5s-fe that sits in the mr2 are flat.  No degree, meaning, when if you buy a header for the engine, but it's made for the mr2 or the 5th gen celica, it won't work.  You would have to completely bend pipes the wrong way, and it would OF COURSE effect the outcome of the headers, may even be worst than what we got now.
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I disagree with that... The only modifications will be done after the runners... after or at the collector. This should not affect how the exhaust gasses are pulsed and should not affect performance to any major degree... and to make an aftermarket header worst than stock... that's gonna be very hard, considering the stocker uses small runners and has a built-in cat... ;]
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First off. Kwansa is right, the only mods would be the the downpipe. I've reseached this extinsively.

Second, that being settalled, this header is for the 2.2 liter celica. Didn't you check the link? The only difference is for ours is it is a 90-93 header. As I have explained in my previous posts, I don't think this will be a problem.

Third, if I don't get this header, I'm getting one for an mr2 and putting on my car just to prove that it's possable and not that hard. And the chances of that being done are more than me buying the celica header.

EDIT: Nice car there spunky. I like the real clean white cars. Makes me want to go out and buy some OEM skirts real bad.
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HAHA, thanks! But what i meant, the difference between the celica, is if you put a header made for the 90-93 of mr2 on a 94-99 celica (all three 5s-fe 2.2L engine), the end of the header will be pointing at the ground.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Still no dyno's being posted on the site. I'm going to call tomorrow and harrass them about it.

[madmods]

I've explained this numerous of time in numerous post.  The way the 90-93 5s-fe engine sits in the celica, and then the 5s-fe that sits in the mr2 are flat.  No degree, meaning, when if you buy a header for the engine, but it's made for the mr2 or the 5th gen celica, it won't work.  You would have to completely bend pipes the wrong way, and it would OF COURSE effect the outcome of the headers, may even be worst than what we got now.
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Still no dyno's being posted on the site.  I'm going to call tomorrow and harrass them about it.
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Dyno, dyno, dyno! Thats alot of money, and i would like to see an independent dyno test, even if I got to chip in to pay for it. 2-3 hp increase does not work for me, and its possible to buy a header with less hp then stock. It would also be hard to trust the companys dyno test. They can put any number in there. i remember reading a magazines report on dyno on headers, and they were so off from what the companys dyno said. Some were worse then stock! I know all dynos are different though. Somebody buys one, Ill chip in for a dyno test.

This post has been edited by madmods: Mar 4, 2005 - 12:22 AM

[Kwanza26]

HAHA, thanks!  But what i meant, the difference between the celica, is if you put a header made for the 90-93 of mr2 on a 94-99 celica (all three 5s-fe 2.2L engine), the end of the header will be pointing at the ground.
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I've explained many times also... only slight modification to the collector/downpipe is neccesary to fix that problem. The only way your argument would hold water, is if the blocks are physically different, but they are NOT. The exhaust manifold will bolt up the same way no matter what direction the engine is facing, tilting, sitting, floating, standing, you name it. Let me remind you, the engine does not bend. The ONLY part that points to the ground, is the downpipe... and that can be correct with about 30.00 worth of work from any decent exhaust shop. Because the modification is AFTER the collector, there will be NO affect to how the exhaust gases flow from the runners. You keep saying the same thing, yet you've never tried to explain anything. The engines are the essentially the SAME.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

There's no point in arguing on the matter. Kwanza is right it can work with easy mods, but madmods is right too, it will point at the ground without mods. I'm going to put this header on my car to dispose of this argument once and for all.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Hotshot has now said that these headers will fit all 5S-FE Celicas. I'm still wating on dyno numbers from them, and cheaper prices.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Mar 10, 2005 - 8:01 PM

[madmods]

We should all chip in for a dyno test on the header vs stock. It would be worth it for all of us.

[shin]

i wouldn't mind chipping in. i'm dying to get a header for my ride...

[spunky393]

Hotshot's company pulled all this same BS on me about year to two years ago. Saying the exact same things you are relaying. As a 6th gen Celica comunity, any dealer could really give a bigger ****, they don't CARE.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Good news everyone. Hotshot emailed me back and said that they'd like to have a celica dyno'd with the new header, but they don't have a stock GT. The one that they checked it on was modified already. They asked me if anyone in the L.A. area from this site would like to volinteer their car for the test. Anyone who want's to, post message.

[shin]

will they be giving away the headers for free? just asking.. but hey... someone should go for it man..... it's is an opportunity for us to know if we'll be able to get quality headers for our ride.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

They didn't say anything about it being free. But it'd still be a free dyno run for your car and the oppertunity to help out the Celica community. That, I think, makes it more than worth it.

[SlowCelica94]

what were the mods done to it? Probably just something minor like an intake and exhuast

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

He said it was a race car. But that just sounds a little off to me too. Who would make a 5S-FE race car?

[shin]

well..... hope someone around the area would go check them out and test the header. i mean they wouldn't give away the headers for free. just that they would help you install the headers and dyno it, get the results and return your car the way it was when you brought it to them right?

[wuhukf]

I really hope someone goes soon, one of the few things we're missing.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I live on the other side of the country, but please, someone volinteer for this. You might get it for free. Even if you don't, it'd be worth it.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Alright, I got info back from the guy today. He said the header would be $300 instead of $450. And they would install and pay for the dyno. Isn't there someone who will do this? Is there anyway we (at this site) can do something to help perswade this? Like some people going in together to help buy this header for who ever volinteers? Someone said that they'd be in for paying for a dyno test. If we can't buy the header for the volinteer, we can at least help.

[urbandork]

i might be in if they can offer me something to help my 5sfte project. Email them and well see what they have to say. I wouldnt mind having my celica dynoed as it is n e way . But keep in mind mine is a cali celi so its got less h/p stock duno if it would affect it as the header probably would bypass all that?

[Galcobar]

Try finding someone near to Hotshot on Celicatech -- they've got a huge fifth-gen presence (lots of 5SFEs). I'd volunteer, but it's a bit of a drive from Canada.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Anyone knows anyone who could be interested send them my way, or better yet, send them to hotshot. hotshot email - sales@hsperformance.com

[audioOutput]

i live in southern california... and i dont know where hotshots is... in LA?
but i have a 1997 celica - all stock - ... if the ofer is still up, ( to test the headers) i would like to do it...

-darryll

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

i live in southern california... and i dont know where hotshots is...  in LA?
but i have a 1997 celica - all stock - ... if the ofer is still up, ( to test the headers)  i would like to do it...

-darryll
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Wow, I had pretty much given up on this. I'll email him and see what he says.