Project 5sfTe, got it, ready to go for it Options

[shin]

I've finally got my 5sfe turbo kit and hopefully i'll be able to get on with the project soon. when my car's back from the body shop afew weeks later.... i've encountered a problem here... after i recieved the kit... it seems to me that there are alot of parts that's required to complete the kit.. and especially when i don't even know what i have and what i'm missing.. here are the pics of what i have now.. what else do i need to complete the kit?


HERE ARE ALL THE SMALL PIPINGS AND TURBO TIMER, I DUNNO WHAT ARE THE LITTLE PIPINGS FOR?


THE MANIFOLD AND OIL PAN


what is this? supersprynt told me that the black part was the by pass valve? so what's the piping for?





you guys know what injector this is? how many CC? seller said this are from the MK3 supra but he didn't say if it's the 7mge or 7mgte. Jwalk, hope this will help...


and of course, the CT26 dual entry. this is the first time i ever handle a turbo and i was surprised how heavy it was...

right now.. the things that i know i'm missing's a FMIC, 2bar map sensor...what else would i need?

thanks in advace for the help guys.

[1bwilson]

You have a map. I can see it. Please resize the pics though.

[shin]

i have a map??? where? which one? btw... how can i rezize the pic?

[1bwilson]

top pic next to the gaskets i believe

[shin]

this is the map sensor?

[1bwilson]

the small piping is for your oil. the small part is for the feed and the larger one is return. It should fit to the middle of your turbo.

Injectors look the wrong color though.

[1bwilson]

this is the map sensor?

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Flip it over....It looks to be a MAP

[shin]

do you have a pic of how a map sensor should look like? i can't flip it over now cause i'm at work.. parts are at home.. will take pics of it flipped over tonite.

[madmods]

Dammit shin, I wanted that kit. Was that the one on ebay? well im behind you, and hopefully I get to learn alot from watching you get it on. Please take pics of your install and have fun on the boost.

[SlowCelica94]

I don't mean to be a jerk, but if you have the kit, intend on installing it, yet have no idea what the parts are and why they are needed, you shouldn't be boosting your car. W/ a lack of knowledge you could easily F something up. So just do some heavy research b4 ur car gets back from the body shop

[shin]

i hope i'll learn alot while installing this kit too madmods. i didn't get this kit from ebay though, got it from acidbyte. 1bwilson, this is the pics you've requested it took a couple of angles so hope you'll be able to indentify the item better.

[1bwilson]

that looks like the MAP. Mine is from a mr-2 and is reversed on the mounting plate so it looks a bit different. Can anyone with a alltrac MAP please confirm this being a 185 MAP please?...... Shin like I said im very sure thats it.

[shin]

cool.. so right now.. i do have a map.... SlowCelica94, i intend to get a mechanic to install it, right now. i wanna know what i actually have so i'll know how it works, i'm learning so i'll be able to do stuff in the future. so what other parts do i need now?

[1bwilson]

MSD BTM or something else to control the timing.

[operative]

Shin,
Where are you in NYC? I am thinking about the same setup, can I visit your car during the project to learn stuff?

Tim

[shin]

sure thing tim. i'm in manhattan, but my car's over in brooklyn now... getting repaired... 1bwilson, MSD BTM? isn't MSD for ignition? or am i wrong? cause if it's for ignition, i thought of getting the HKS twin power ignition module?

[presure2]

what brian is talking about is the MSD BTM it retards the timing a set amount for every pound of boost.
you still need a bunch of little things, your gonna need to fab up a custom oil feed line ( check the 5sfte thread in the engine section for info on that)
can you get some nice clear pics of the injectors...getting the color right is the important thing, or you can just list the part # thats stamped on the side of it and i or someone else can check it for ya.
your gonna wanna use some type of FMIC so your gonna need the piping, couplers and clamps associated with that, as well...im sure ill keep thinking of things, ill list them as i think of them..lol

This post has been edited by presure2: Mar 4, 2005 - 3:54 PM

[rjbibeau]

that 185 map should have a green label on it and it should be in a circular form. i have both the alltrac 185 map and the 3sgte mr2 map. as far as the btm don't get it. it's not woth it. you can't even control fuel with it. just get a piggy back system.

This post has been edited by rjbibeau: Mar 4, 2005 - 4:21 PM

[erics1one]

Dammit shin, I wanted that kit. Was that the one on ebay? well im behind you, and hopefully I get to learn alot from watching you get it on. Please take pics of your install and have fun on the boost.
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Whenever you get a kit, I'll come over and help ya install it.

Have swapped my turbo a couple times, and am quite knowledgeable about all the parts and functions.

[urbandork]

should i got with Denso IK22 or NGK BKR7EVX-11 plugs i was thinking the denso cus they seem like they have a good rep.

Also would i be fine jsut running new sparks and larger injectors or would i be looking to get a better fuel pump? Would a 255 lph be to large? lph stand for liter per hour right?

btw this is the best 5sfte thread. I think it should be stickied so that way all the 5sfte info is kept here. Plus it gives a good refrence on things and ppl doing the project.

This post has been edited by urbandork: Mar 4, 2005 - 4:50 PM

[erics1one]

should i got with Denso IK22 or NGK BKR7EVX-11 plugs i was thinking the denso cus they seem like they have a good rep.

Also would i be fine jsut running new sparks and larger injectors or would i be looking to get a better fuel pump? Would a 255 lph be to large? lph stand for liter per hour right?

btw this is the best 5sfte thread. I think it should be stickied so that way all the 5sfte info is kept here. Plus it gives a good refrence on things and ppl doing the project.
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Stick with the NGK...might go a step colder to 6, but either should be okay.

Get a Walbro 255lph (supra) fuel pump. You will run too lean if you do not.

[shin]

is this what i'm suppose to get?

part number's MSD-6462 it's called the MSD 6-BTM CD Ignitions. presure2, i intend to get a Spearco intercooler, or if i have more money to spare, i'll get the BLITZ intercooler. piping wise, i'm looking around for places to custom them for me. are 2'5" ok? or is 3" better? i'll take pics of the injectors again, the seller replied my email saying that it's a direct replacement... but i just can't seem to identify what injectors they are. i'll post the part number after i take it down when i get home. thanks for all the help guys.

[erics1one]

Yep, you don't need to get that exact model, but its a good one if you can afford.

When designing you IC piping you always want the shortest, and smallest route. This will help tone down your turbo lag. I'd get the 2.5', some go as low as 2'. Theres a thread about this at the moment:
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=21986

Make sure you feed line is -3, and return is -12 with a minimal bend in the return line.

There are other things you might need down the road as well...
Performance Clutch
eventually...a tranny (hopefully w/ LSD)
PCV system w/ catch can
Boost Gauge
Lots of various tuning equipment

[1bwilson]

Thats the 6btm its a ignition along with a btm. That will work fine and is cheaper than using a msd 6a+ btm. If you dont want the ignition just get the reg btm.

[shin]

i was gonna get the boost gauge soon. bought the blitz blm series pressure and temperature gauge like 2 weeks ago. where can i get the custom oil feed lines? so if this BTM is fine i'll go for this one. i'll keep that in mind erics1one when i'm getting the pipings. PCV system with catch can? what's that?

[presure2]

as far as the btm don't get it. it's not woth it. you can't even control fuel with it. just get a piggy back system.

hahaha, RJB...you need to do a little research my friend...the BTM is not made to control fuel, thats not its purpose...its to RETARD TIMING somthing you NEED to do if you dont wanna blow up your engine, sooner or later.

This post has been edited by presure2: Mar 4, 2005 - 5:43 PM

[shin]

so the BTM retards timing, what does the piggy back do? are piggy backs like Greddy Emanage or AEM EMS ?

[erics1one]

PCV system with catch can? what's that?
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Positive Crankcase Ventilation = PCV

PCV Valve is on top of your valve cover and on the back side.
The side nipple sticking out of your valve cover is the crankcase vent.

The goal is to maintain a slight vaccum on the crankcase at all times. With forced induction and leaky seals this will not be the case (if your engine is in prime condition, your stock pcv system should do just fine). But if you start smoking at idle, etc, it may be from the oil leaking through the turbos seals or excessive gases venting from your crankcase.

If there is increased presure coming through the feed line, it can cause the oil to backup in your turbo. Once this happens your seals will be coked in the oil and will start to deteriorate. Over time oil will begin to leak past your seals.

^ correct me if I'm wrong on that

Heres what I did with my PCV system. I smoked quite a bit at red lights and other stops, but after changing my system to this, it eliminated the problem completely.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v377/erics1one/PCV/

This post has been edited by erics1one: Mar 4, 2005 - 6:11 PM

[presure2]

greddy emanage is a piggyback. aem ems is a full stand alone engine management system.
safc = piggyback
IMO the perfect power SMT-6 is a better choice than the emanage. more control with the SMT-6
basicly a piggyback is any kinda of unit that works with your stock ECU, by intercepting the incoming signal, and modifying it so that the stock ecu thinks its doing somthing other than what it actually is. IE: on the 3s, the SAFC works basicly by intercepting the AFM signal, and modifying the signal so that the computer thinks theyre either more or less air then there actually is, depending on weather your adding or taking away fuel. it works the same way on the 5s, except it uses another signal instead of the AFM cause we dont have one

[shin]

wow...impressive.... but currently, i installed a breather filter on the crankcase vent. so i should take that out? where did you connect the other end of the tube to? the PCV valve?

[presure2]

it goes to the intake piping, BEFORE the turbo

[erics1one]

wow...impressive.... but currently, i installed a breather filter on the crankcase vent. so i should take that out? where did you connect the other end of the tube to? the PCV valve?
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The PCV Valve and Crankcase vent are both ran to the catch can, and then to the intake piping before the turbo...as presure2 said (too fast damnit).

The breather is fine on a NA setup...but once you go turbo. This PCV system would work best.

This post has been edited by erics1one: Mar 4, 2005 - 5:59 PM

[urbandork]

Would i be ok jsut running the turbo and none of the ignitions and timing stuff? I ask because if im ok running boost then ill just run it and then add on electronics later.

[erics1one]

Would i be ok jsut running the turbo and none of the ignitions and timing stuff? I ask because if im ok running boost then ill just run it and then add on electronics later.
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You should be fine without purchasing additional MSD equipment.

But since you have OBDI and can adjust your timing manualy, I'd still do that to prevent knock

[presure2]

not really, i wouldnt wanna try it. the one thing i see everyone do is say they want a budget setup, as cheap as possible...one thing you gotta remember, these engines are not made for boost, so if you expect it to last at all, you gotta put some money into it. electronics are just part of the equasion.before you install any of this stuff on your car, you really need to research this stuff. theres alot of information out there, www.celicatech.com www.mr2oc.com read up on all the websites...check peoples profiles, check out theyre setups,...ect..
heres a couple good links to get you started.
click me
click me
just remember everyones setup is a little diffrent in some way, its up to you to decide how you want to do yours.
ohh, and IMHO the BTM at the minimum should be mandantory. we really need to take a good look at that. from what ive read, the factory toyota ignition maps are pretty aggressive to start with, and with a unit like the SAFC that advances timing as you take out fuel, thats not good.

This post has been edited by presure2: Mar 4, 2005 - 6:09 PM

[shin]

that's some really good links presure2. it's even got pics of installation. hope i'll be able to do one of these when i get all parts in. or at least take lots of pics of the installation process. btw.. i thought of getting the APEXI S-AFC and the Electronic Boost controller, although i have a manual boost controller now. so what i thought of getting is installing the MSD BTM and the S-AFC. is that good?

[1bwilson]

This thread is killing me! I am getting the boost bug.

[urbandork]

Hey if i use a stock 3sgte set up i HAVE to relocate the oil filter on my 5sfe???? i didnt know this!

[shin]

what's a boost bug

[urbandork]

This thread is killing me!  I am getting the boost bug.
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me too ekkk I hope i havnt biten off more then ic an chew

hey if i use a stock 3sgte set up i HAVE to relocate the oil filter on my 5sfe???? i didnt know this!

This post has been edited by urbandork: Mar 4, 2005 - 7:10 PM

[urbandork]

never mind figured it out :deleted sorry for wasting space:

This post has been edited by urbandork: Mar 4, 2005 - 7:07 PM

[1bwilson]

what's a boost bug 
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The boost bug is the reason your asking all these questions.

[shin]

ohhhhhh..... hopefully with all this i'll be able to come up with a complete what to buy list and start getting the parts.

1) FMIC
2) MSD BTM
3) S-AFC
4) Oil Feed Lines
5) PCV System
6) Probably pistons if these are the wrong ones.

[urbandork]

Just so i know from a technical stand point. What can/will happen if a msd btm is not used. Also what exactly does it stand for?

[x_itchy_b_x]

boost timing master. it retards timing with the amount of boost you run.

[urbandork]

boost timing master. it retards timing with the amount of boost you run.
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It does this by telling the ecu somethign other then whats happening right?

Is there a good conversion to how much you need to retard timming in corelation with how much boost ur running?

and what would/will happen if i run boost with out it.

This post has been edited by urbandork: Mar 4, 2005 - 8:37 PM

[1bwilson]

I think its 3/4 of a degree per 1lb of boost.

You need to retard your timing so that you dont reach detonation to early.

[shin]

i've got the part number of the injector here.
it says denso on the side and the part number is 23250-46050. is that all you need pressure2? btw, do i have a downpipe guys? or would i have to get one? i thought of getting the HKS SSQV BOV.... would modifcations be needed to get one to fit or is it universal?

[presure2]

yea, those #'s dont match the injectors i have here in front of me. mine are 23250-70080
i didnt see a downpipe in your pics. your gonna need some type of DP wether its the stock elbow and cat, or an aftermarket DP, is up to you.
for any BOV you need to get a flange for that BOV welded to your intercooler piping.if you search on ebay you can usually find the universal HKS SSQV, and the flange for it in a seperate auction.

This post has been edited by presure2: Mar 5, 2005 - 3:04 PM

[shin]

cool. so what type of downpipe should i get? will i be able to use the stock GT downpipe? or would i need to get another one?