Saturday Marks 2 years since start of iraqi war, Anyone going to any protests? Options

[BlackCelicaGT94]

I might go down to seattle and just walk around and see whats up as I am against this war. Wont see me holding any signs but might as well go down there and support the fact we shouldnt be there but more importantly support the troops and make it known they need to come home.


Anyone ever gone to a protest?

[FAQdaWorld]

I will not be protesting this war, as my friend gave his life for something that he believed in, which is so much more than any of you hippy protesters are gonna prove by holding a protest. Maybe you should have a hippy jam fest for peace (southpark), as that will be just as effective.


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[BlackCelicaGT94]

haha i didnt try to insult anyone with my post and u just come off insulting me?? yeah you should read a previous post of mine where i lost a friend over there too! unfortunetly he wasnt fighting for what he believed in he was over there cuz of other reasons. But i really think u should think before you type. I dont support the war in IRAQ did i support it in Afghanistan? YES! anyways im not trying to insult anyone just asked if someone has been to a protest! and a protest doesnt mean its hippies singing songs.

[Jeremy1210]

I will not be protesting this war, as my friend gave his life for something that he believed in, which is so much more than any of you hippy protesters are gonna prove by holding a protest. Maybe you should have a hippy jam fest for peace (southpark), as that will be just as effective

I don't think he was insulting. They just had that funny South Park on Weds night, so that might be where he is coming from.

[BlackCelicaGT94]

I dont watch that show. - I hate cartoons

[ghostdog]

yeah I did protest the war and I feel more american for having done it. its a fundamental right we have as citizens and we shouldn't be afraid to use it

[Dacoolguychris]

I dont watch that show. - I hate cartoons
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you mean to tell me that you live in Washington.. where there is always rain therefore stuck inside... and you've never watched a show of south park.. there possibly can't be that much to watch on TV..

Ha Ha long live Family guy and South Park!... oh yeah and the Simpsons...

thanks goodness for Adult Cartoons!!!
-Chris

[Consynx]

i hear WA has lots of motels

[BlackCelicaGT94]

MO-tels HOE-tels

HOLIDAY INN



we got it all baby! :-P haha

[prpnum1]

I'm for the war so I wouldn't go to any protests.

[BlackSTX]

I live in a damn republican hotbed so there aren't any protests, but I'm against the pointless, expensive war. I swear there's those stupid support our troop ribbons on every car I see here. Republican Rice.

[Defgeph]

I thought the Iraqi has been going on for about a year now. We have been at war in the middle east for over 2 years.

This post has been edited by defgeph: Mar 19, 2005 - 12:00 PM

[brianforster]

saying you support the troops but not the war is just another statement created by liberals who want to sugar-coat their choices.

lets not call it pro-abortion, lets call it pro-choice, because pro-abortion sounds bad!

[ghostdog]

do you honestly not see the difference between supporting the troops and supporting the war? there is a clear difference between the two, are you just trying to be funny or what?

saying you support the troops but not the war is just another statement created by liberals who want to sugar-coat their choices.

lets not call it pro-abortion, lets call it pro-choice, because pro-abortion sounds bad!
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[Benevolence]

The war sucks, will I EVER put any blame or resentment towards any of the troops over there? hell no! but I will stand up for what I believe is an unjust not worth the lives war in which I blame the president and his cabinet.

[Rjb23]

I thought the Iraqi has been going on for about a year now. We have been at war in the middle east for over 2 years.
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WOW, time flys when your blowin **** up!

I say we pull all our troops out of the middle east and let them blow themselves up!

[brianforster]

do you honestly not see the difference between supporting the troops and supporting the war? there is a clear difference between the two, are you just trying to be funny or what?

saying you support the troops but not the war is just another statement created by liberals who want to sugar-coat their choices.

lets not call it pro-abortion, lets call it pro-choice, because pro-abortion sounds bad!
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you cannot support the troops and be against the war. from dictionary.com:
To aid the cause, policy, or interests of: supported her in her election campaign.
What you are basically doing is going up to a garbage man and saying "did you know what you are doing is wrong? but go ahead, i support you"

by saying you do not support their cause you are kicking them in the face. its pretty simple. in fact most troops i know or have heard speak would get offended if you told them that you supported them but not the war.

[BlackCelicaGT94]

Ok ok ok i take back I support the troops cuz I dont support the cause of why they are over there *though some are in the military for different reasons* so i say Screw the Support the troops propoganda and i say "bring home the men and women alive and safe"

[coustoe]

Ok ok ok i take back I support the troops cuz I dont support the cause of why they are over there *though some are in the military for different reasons* so i say Screw the Support the troops propoganda and i say "bring home the men and women alive and safe"
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are internet forums the only place people talk politics these days?

I guess this is the only place you can get away with it.

[BlackCelicaGT94]

nope i was on the phone tonight having a conversation about politics. Talk politics with my family almost daily! I wear my shirt that says kiss my democratic ass to the gym and even have political talks there!

[coustoe]

nope i was on the phone tonight having a conversation about politics. Talk politics with my family almost daily! I wear my shirt that says kiss my democratic ass to the gym and even have political talks there!
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well I guess you can bear it better then most. Its just not worth it to me getting your car vandalized getting your boss pissed off etc, just to state an opinion

[Pali_playa]

I will not be protesting this war, as my friend gave his life for something that he believed in, which is so much more than any of you hippy protesters are gonna prove by holding a protest. Maybe you should have a hippy jam fest for peace (southpark), as that will be just as effective.


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im sorry for your friend. but quick question...what did he belive in? giving iraqis there freedom?...hasnt happened yet. beside who asked the us to do this? no one. so far all i see is a country thats been taken over and conquered by the US. looks like the crusades are back and dubyas the general

I thought the Iraqi has been going on for about a year now. We have been at war in the middle east for over 2 years.
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WOW, time flys when your blowin **** up!

I say we pull all our troops out of the middle east and let them blow themselves up!
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go f*ck yourself

[Tweek]

Who is gonna say I don't support the troops? The troops do what they are told, and I support their commitment to defending our country. Bush is a liar and a cheat. He has his own agenda, and it all comes back to money. You think Bush really cares about the freedom of the Iraqies? More likely he cares about paying back the money that has been givin to him over his lifetime to fund his failures in business. Watch fereinheit 9/11, it can explain it a whole lot better than me.

So yes I support the troops, and no I do not support the Iraqi war. BTW, why is my gas so expensive? Where's all that oil we're fighting for?

[FAQdaWorld]

My friend believed in giving the terrorist somewhere to fight us other than on our homeland. The Middle east is gonna hate the united states (and other western countries) no matter what we do. We know that, my friend believed that in order to prevent future attacks we had to give them someplace to fight us. We have given so many iraqis so much more freedom than what they had before. Getting all your news from cnn or fox news isnt gonna help you w/ your world perspectives guys OR for that matter Fahrenheit 9/11.
For every 10 bad things you hear about the us in iraq, you miss hearing about 100 good things.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/0...0680555557.html

[Andason]

land of the free because of the brave. i have a friend in iraq and him and his troops are in the worst part of iraq (samarra) and they hate it but they feel good about themselves. he does not regret signing up.

so shut your mouth tree hugger. you arent in the war, you arent shooting guns, you arent kicking in doors raiding houses. you have nothing to lose from this war.

[Tweek]

I'm not against wars in general, I'm against this war because its pointless. We do have something to lose, just not much to gain from this war. Your losing your cash as your government shells out more money for this, creating a deficit, which cause things like your social security to go in the crapper, your schools to go under funded, and lots of other things get put to the side. What your are getting is new terrorists everyday because you kicked in the doors of their friends and families, held them in a foreign country for years without even legal representation or a phone call to their family, then humiliated and tortured them before letting them go back to the shelled out hut they used to live in. So when the next terrorist attack hits us because he hates america's invasion, remember you said you have nothing to lose.

[Pali_playa]

Who is gonna say I don't support the troops? The troops do what they are told, and I support their commitment to defending our country. Bush is a liar and a cheat. He has his own agenda, and it all comes back to money. You think Bush really cares about the freedom of the Iraqies? More likely he cares about paying back the money that has been givin to him over his lifetime to fund his failures in business. Watch fereinheit 9/11, it can explain it a whole lot better than me.

So yes I support the troops, and no I do not support the Iraqi war. BTW, why is my gas so expensive? Where's all that oil we're fighting for?
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no i dont get my info from cnn or fox. they arnt news, i mainly go to bbc. and of course since i have relatives over there i hear every week their stories ofhow they almost got shot

My friend believed in giving the terrorist somewhere to fight us other than on our homeland. The Middle east is gonna hate the united states (and other western countries) no matter what we do. We know that, my friend believed that in order to prevent future attacks we had to give them someplace to fight us. We have given so many iraqis so much more freedom than what they had before. Getting all your news from cnn or fox news isnt gonna help you w/ your world perspectives guys OR for that matter Fahrenheit 9/11.
  For every 10 bad things you hear about the us in iraq, you miss hearing about 100 good things.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/0...0680555557.html
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how bout my family over there? not to mention how much this war is screwin up the US and the middle east.

[brianforster]

pali playa, you are aware that iraqi's have been asking for our help to rid saddam since bush senior arent you?

you are also aware they just had elections, with a higher voter turnout percentage than the US? Wow, people are threatoning to KILL them if they vote and they still had a higher % than the united states. looks like we surely take advantage of our freedom and they definitly WANT AND ARE ENJOYING THEIRS.

[BlackSTX]

pali playa, you are aware that iraqi's have been asking for our help to rid saddam since bush senior arent you?

you are also aware they just had elections, with a higher voter turnout percentage than the US? Wow, people are threatoning to KILL them if they vote and they still had a higher % than the united states. looks like we surely take advantage of our freedom and they definitly WANT AND ARE ENJOYING THEIRS.
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If they like us so much over there then why are they killing each other everyday? If someone conquered your country in a matter of days and told you you'd have a new government, wouldn't you participate, more out of fear than desire?

[ghostdog]

oh you mean when we told the kurds to revolt and overthrow saddam following the first gulf war? then once they did we let saddam use his gunships to completely decimate them? yeah after that they were all about us helping them out

pali playa, you are aware that iraqi's have been asking for our help to rid saddam since bush senior arent you?
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in 1967 there was a similar election in South Vietnam thanks to the US. the turnout was 87%. well, as we all know that didn't quite work out for them ...

you are also aware they just had elections, with a higher voter turnout percentage than the US? Wow, people are threatoning to KILL them if they vote and they still had a higher % than the united states. looks like we surely take advantage of our freedom and they definitly WANT AND ARE ENJOYING THEIRS.
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not trying to start anything. but theres only so much gov propaganda I can take

[brianforster]

its nothing about propaganda, you think that everything arguing against you is fed to us by the "man" , let me guess, you have some stuff i should read? just because i disagree with you doesnt mean im wrong and you are right.

yeah, you compared vietnam to iraq, you are so original, i dont think i ever heard that before

[ghostdog]

naw I don't have anything for you to read because I know I can't change your mind. however I am more than willing to agree with you if you can show me some valid evidence, and no I'm not talking about information diseminated by the O'Reilly factor or Newsmax magazine

and btw proganda does not necesarily have a negative conotation. it can be any kind of material spread to support a certain doctrine

its nothing about propaganda, you think that everything arguing against you is fed to us by the "man" , let me guess, you have some stuff i should read? just because i disagree with you doesnt mean im wrong and you are right.

yeah, you compared vietnam to iraq, you are so original, i dont think i ever heard that before
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[carb0n_f1b3r]

realize that liberalism and basically the whole idealistic agenda fowarded by the democrats is sold in a nice neat little package of "progressivism"... the ideas are proposed as "new," "intellectually superior," and "anti-establishmental" even if to a young quasi-rebelous kid or "the more caring choice" if to an adult. these ideals, spread under the guise of common good, are used to manipulate ppl into becoming commodities of those who spread them. generally the ppl who you see going around regurgitating i hate bush blah blah blah or whatever have no specific motive to do so other than to having something to say. conforming to the so called non conformist agenda is conforming all the same. it happens everday @ my college ppl will be b!tching about the war, politics, or whatever but when you ask them what they really know about the subject they have no clue.. many latch onto these party lines in order to purport themselves as the party has made them out to be...progressive

brianforster Posted Yesterday, 06:38 PM
  pali playa, you are aware that iraqi's have been asking for our help to rid saddam since bush senior arent you?

you are also aware they just had elections, with a higher voter turnout percentage than the US? Wow, people are threatoning to KILL them if they vote and they still had a higher % than the united states. looks like we surely take advantage of our freedom and they definitly WANT AND ARE ENJOYING THEIRS.

^^makes a great point ... a pointless war?? if any of you are willing take a trip.. pack your stuff move to an extremely oppressive country comprable to that which iraq was before the overthrow and hang out for a couple of months.. an election in iraq w/ women not only voting but running in the election.. had you any idea of how tremendous this accomplishment and the amount of burden that has been lifted off these ppl you would ashamed to disregard this as pointless

If they like us so much over there then why are they killing each other everyday? If someone conquered your country in a matter of days and told you you'd have a new government, wouldn't you participate, more out of fear than desire?

^^^not all the ppl fighting are iraqi friend.. my cousin just got back from there an interigator he said that alot of the ppl he interigated are saudi or from syria.. though i doubt the numbers are as high as the govnmt states ... also the ppl fighting have the motivation to keep on fighting whether for the sake of retaining power or the fact that when the fighting stops the iraqi ppl will turn on them if they stop *remember the hutus?? though it was genocide and not a complete parallel to this situation the act of killing your own brings societies fury.

imagine living in a place where rape murder mutilation torture is a daily occurance from those who have power.. but wait thats not what it is about is it? its about oil its about greed its about govnmt contracts its about power its about

More likely he cares about paying back the money that has been givin to him over his lifetime to fund his failures in business

ignorance....
consider some or all of these thing true if you like, but when you do also decide what is actually important. there is no greater love a brother can have for another than to lay his life down for him. and thats what it is about to me thats what it is about to the soldiers thats what its about to the people of iraq

[ghostdog]

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yes precisely why we helped to stop the massacre in darfur ..

if its not about money or greed how do you explain Haliburton recieving a 1.59 billion no-bid contract to rebuild Iraq? a company that the VP Dick Cheney has direct financial interests in. honestly, please explain it to me because I desperately want to believe something else

and carbon fiber please don't generalize as to the nature of 'liberals' based on what you see on your college campus. I admit that I have seen some of that myself but there are 'conservatives' who are just as bad so its a moot point

[carb0n_f1b3r]

my friend, niether is my observational experience limited to my campus nor is my opinion of people who regurgitate information based on ignorance focused on liberals only this phenomina is unfortunately wide spread.. i only wished to dispell the progress in "progressivism" its only relative to what is blasted over the P.A. that the masses bleet. to shine in a positive connotation to thier peers..

but that is not the point that i wanted to stress. im not nessecarily arguing that there is not economic factors involved. i know that and that is a very very wrong thing..but i also know that war in itself is a horrible thing. so many people's lives shattered because of it. but im asking you what is important to you? at what point to you say that time to stop an atrocity?Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends-is the actual verse. and i believe this is true..

yes precisely why we helped to stop the massacre in darfur ..

there is no economical gain for the govnmt in helping these people so there is no real effort to stop this

sudan under bush
rawanda under clinton

and i hate this more than anything.. but realize its not specific parties presidents kings whatever its a process of the govt. i hate war but i understand it. wars are a part of economics they hurt ppl but to fight to help someone is noble. haliburton bush cheaney some of the soldiers newspapereditors proffesors iraqis fighting to keep thier abused power me you no one can detract from the fact that there are soldiers there who have that in thier hearts. not only that but there are iraqis there that connect with them because of that on a level that you and i may never know. we really have no direct part in this act. we are merely spectators critics.. but the predominant function we have is to choose merely not sides but what we take away from it.. what knowledge we gain.. what is the most important.

[ghostdog]

I think we are in agreement here.

part of the motivation for the US invading Iraq was economic. perhaps there was also a sense of helping an opressed people but this took a back seat to other motivations.

but thats exactly what I am angry about. we can argue whether Pres. Bush waged this war to improve approval ratings, distract the public from our inability to catch Bin Laden, or otherwise but thats not really the point. the fact is that the war was waged for motives other than the ones expressed to the American public; this is unacceptable to me.

and yes I agree that it is admirable what the troops are doing over in Iraq. however I still firmly believe that they should not be over there. they should not be dying nor should the insurgents be forced to kill us. this war should have never happened.

This post has been edited by gh0st_d0g: Mar 24, 2005 - 9:51 PM

[Pali_playa]

guess who picked the candidates for prez of iraq? us...all it is is going to be a puppet govt in iraq that will listen to every one of us's needs. ive seen it happen in qatar and it will happen here.

[carb0n_f1b3r]

guess who picked the candidates for prez of iraq? us...all it is is going to be a puppet govt in iraq that will listen to every one of us's needs. ive seen it happen in qatar and it will happen here.

good observation but the same was made for japan s. korea and germany..though allies far from marionettes