Guess my HP game (w/ prizes)!! Options

[boosted_K2]

well because over the weekend i ran into a large boost leak problem, and dont have time to troubleshoot it myself, i was forced to bring my car down to novi this morning and have the good people at godspeed work on it. I am also getting a leakdown and compression test done on the car, the owner also suggested i get a base dyno done, so i agreed.

so here we go for you so called 3sgte gurus, guess the peak HP i will make! and for a tie breaker also guess peak torque.

winner gets a copy of the dyno and a nice picture of the car... if someone can guess the exact HP i will also throw in a slightly used copy of Need For Speed Underground 2 for PS2.

guessing will be closed april 28th at noon (eastern standard time )!! good luck 1 guess per person!

[boosted_K2]

mods:
Drivetrain:
TRD LSD
ACT street clutch
Fidanza Flywheel
TRD Shift Kit

Engine Mods:
9:1 Compression JE Forged Pistons
CT-20b Ceramic Turbo
blueprinted injectors
MBC @ 14PSI
TTE Headgasket (raises compression ratio slightly)

Electronics
HKS FCD @ 17.5 PSI

Bolt-Ons:
Custom 2.5" Borla catless single exit exhaust
K&N Cone Filter
Berk Technologies 3" DP

Wheels:
Speedline 16X8"

Tires:
Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 (will be replacing these after this weekend)

[nik]

236whp do we have to guess torque?


236whp
228 torque

This post has been edited by nik: Apr 26, 2005 - 4:46 PM

[Digndoug]

dang its already 1:30.. but il guess umm 246

[boosted_K2]

ya, guess torque in Ft. Lbs. sorry for you international guys, us wacky americans still cant figure out the simplicity of the SI system...

sorry doug for the confusion, thats fixed now, i was thinking 28th and wrote 26th lol

[jgreening]

219 whp, 229 ft lbs. (this assumes you stay at 14psi)

[Akimbo]

227 whp and 231 ft lbs

[playr158]

230 whp 241 ft lbs

[vangSTa_celica]

234 whp w/ 241 ft lbs

[Hanyo]

is this after you yelled out TURBO BOOST and pushed the button?

[BLINKYxMUNKEY]

230 hp.. just shot out numbers..

[Sev408]

are you guys kidding me

312hp 341 tq

[Consynx]

at the wheels

238whp
252ft-lb

This post has been edited by Consynx: Apr 26, 2005 - 3:06 PM

[Mr2_Joel]

are you guys kidding me

312hp 341 tq
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are you kidding us, i hope u were joking lol......that's way too high dude. I'm not telling anymore though, don't wanna give hints.

My guess:

256 hp, 263 tq.


Edit: are we doing at the wheels?
Editx2: you on stock smic i assume?

This post has been edited by Mr2_Joel: Apr 26, 2005 - 3:59 PM

[Akimbo]

Eek...312 was kinda high man...look at his mods, still a ct20b too

[Supersprynt]

243rwhp
231rw-ft lbs.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Apr 26, 2005 - 3:24 PM

[Mr2_Joel]

ignore this, messed up something

This post has been edited by Mr2_Joel: Apr 26, 2005 - 3:30 PM

[Consynx]

less tq than hp huh Erik?
interestin.

[darksecret]

Do you have any TRD stickers because I heard they add quite a bit of horsepower? j/k

235hp 244 lbs ft. without stickers

356hp 322 lbs ft. with stickers...

[Phat_99CeliGT]

246 whp
251 tq.

[boosted_K2]

stock SMIC, and yes its RWHP... dyno is a dynapack 5000 AWD dyno if that makes any difference to anyone.

and for reference i hope to hit the 300 mark after my next stage of mods.

[orvillescelica]

232 whp, 241 ft lbs

[Defgeph]

mid 250's low 260's hp

[Supersprynt]

You cant be general cough out a number.

[Defgeph]

*cough* 261 hp

[Rjb23]

275 hp 270 trq

[boosted_K2]

cars fixed, tests run 108-110 across the board as far as compression and the boost leak is fixed, car has been dynoed but i dont personally have the results yet, dan at godspeed just left me a message. so tomorrow i find out the results, but i will leave the guessing open for another day

[turboinduction]

262WHP 269TQ

I was going to say 300+, but I didn't see anything about underbody neons in your modification list - so ehh.....

-Ti

[97sccelica]

cars fixed, tests run 108-110 across the board as far as compression
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isnt that a little low?

[boosted_K2]

ya... factory compression is around 150-160ish... though there are many factors that could contribute to the low compression test such as: obviously my different compression ratio, engine temp, and the way the test was performed. reguardless the owner at godspeed (used to own an alltrac, knows the engine very well) said it was performing very well and was not having any problems.

[97sccelica]

ya... factory compression is around 150-160ish... though there are many factors that could contribute to the low compression test such as: obviously my different compression ratio, engine temp, and the way the test was performed. reguardless the owner at godspeed (used to own an alltrac, knows the engine very well) said it was performing very well and was not having any problems.
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yeah, thats what i thought, i figured with the thinner HG and the slightly higher CR pistons that the compression test would yield much higher numbers

you're right, it was probably cold, or they didnt crank it that much.

i have heard of Godspeed's work, i would pretty much trust everything they say.

[IcemanTK]

269 HP 275 TQ

[boosted_K2]

ya, godspeed was originally an online parts supplier for WRX specific products. the owner dan was originally an Alltrac guy, but never designed and distributed any alltrac/3sgte products to my knowledge. basically his feeling was if i want i can run more boost, however i really dont need to since my car is not being built to be a dyno queen... rather a nice balanced vehicle for autocrossing

on a side note 23 hours left to make a guess

[jgreening]

Tim - end the suspense! What did you dyno????

[crazycel18]

263HP 218TQ

[jojobombiest]

252whp 236ft/lb

[ghostdog]

258 hp .. pm me for the addy to send nfs2

[boosted_K2]

welp, no one wins the NFSU2 game unfortunatly.

the winner is JGreening with a guess of 219 HP. Congratulations... as for your prize i am picking up the car on friday and will get a copy of the dyno and i also have 2 autocrosses the weekend of may 7th, so i will be sure to get some pictures and have one professionally enlarged for you

the verdict is 197 WHP, i dont have the chart yet to see what the torque was.

basically theres a few things this means, and its not too far off from what i expected. i was expecting around 215-220HP because nothing is really tuned on it, and especially after hearing my odd compression numbers. I am really left questioning if there are other things done to my motor that i am not aware about. I was discussing this yesterday with supersprynt, and i am left wondering if i really am running factory rods as i was told, or if i am running shorter rods or possably some type of altered or aftermarket crank to shorten the stroke, the engine is extremely healthy yet im running a very low compression with mods that should supposedly raise compression... i may also be having some unwanted cam overlap, possably due to a timing issue... or might even have aftermarket cams all togeather... since all the cylinders are even, i highly doubt its anything as far as leakage from valves or anything in that nature. another possability could be the piston rings used. like i told super im going to have to go through all my receipts from the motor rebuild that i have and see if anything in there reveals why my comp is low. Reguardless this motor was built for ALOT more boost than i have been feeding it and alot more than a CT20b can provide. so now i know the direction this motor needs to go and my original plan to build off the CT20b turbo and mild platform upgrades is out the window. she needs something bigger

[Supersprynt]

Thats about 230hp. That seems low for 14psi especially on a CT20b, and then you have alot of other mods...I was really expecting much higher.

[boosted_K2]

yupp theres definatly something i/we/the car is missing... dan said the FPR charts looked as expected... very rich in the high RPMs... right now im betting the compression is a tell tale sign of what is up.

[Supersprynt]

Yeah I say your definately lacking in the power department, with the mods you have, I guess 240 at the wheels...

[Mr2_Joel]

wow man, that is extremely low for the ct20b and those mods.......ct-26's w/ boost turned up and intake, exhaust and afew other things should be at the level ur at now lol. Bigger turbo time though eh?

[nik]

ha ha all you guys that though 250whp and above when it comes to dyno numbers there always lower than expected.

the worse thing i hate though is people that put mods on there car
ex. a civic dx non vtec that have intake and a cat back saying they have 150 to the ground

not many people get the hole crank power and wheel power either

myself spending a fair amount of time on the dyno dont go in expecting much.But a 5 horse power increase to the wheels is a big thing to me.

[boosted_K2]

yea... i expected to watch everyone guess high you have to realize alot of those "this mod gives you XX WHP" and shows you a dyno chart 9 times out of 10 has atleast some basic tuning done to it as well, also, alot of those mods raise boost levels by allowing the air to move more freely, when you run @ 15 psi before and 15 psi after a mod, you dont really gain all the HP the dyno chart the supplying company shows.

[nik]

yea... i expected to watch everyone guess high you have to realize alot of those "this mod gives you XX WHP" and shows you a dyno chart 9 times out of 10 has atleast some basic tuning done to it as well, also, alot of those mods raise boost levels by allowing the air to move more freely, when you run @ 15 psi before and 15 psi after a mod, you dont really gain all the HP the dyno chart the supplying company shows.
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exactly ^^ but i like reading the power pages when they add stuff like cam etc
but they dont highlight the fact that they do a few hours of tuning after the install before showing the numbers but i hope you get into the 220whp with some tuning time

[Mr2_Joel]

yeah, but still I would think you would put out more than 220whp w/ ur mods. But that's just my .02

[nik]

yeah, but still I would think you would put out more than 220whp w/ ur mods.  But that's just my .02
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you never know how much power you can get from tuning could be 15whp or even 30 whp

but i also though it would be closer to the 220whp+ range i think the compression is the factor might be something else to

[boosted_K2]

yupp, thats what im going to find out... i talked to dan some more today and he believes a portion of it could be the turbo building boost so fast that the ECU cant switch from open to closed loop fast enough.

[jgreening]

Good luck with the tuning Tim. Your results are lower than I expected but it sounds like you got some ideas to make it a little better. BTW, what do I win?

[boosted_K2]

a copy of the dyno graph chart and an 8.5X11 autocross picture which will be taken next weekend at either our kettering event or the Detroit-SCCA event , if the HP number had been guessed dead on, then you would have won a copy of NFS:U2 for PS2.

as for another update i picked up the car today and talked with dan some more. he helped me out with a few ideas and it looks like i will first be getting a new Greddy boost gauge (autometer gauges = teh suck), a new IC (possably a GT-4 WAIC... or a Greddy SMIC if i have less incentive than to take on the WAIC project), and a hydra-nemesis EMS system which will be installed and tuned by him... that right there should put me around the 260-265ish range, and after upgrading fuel components and raising boost, i should be flirting with the 300 mark after more tuning.

after finally being able to see my graphs, i made 197.8 HP and 215.4 Ft. Lbs. the HP number would have been larger had i not had a very rich condition at approx. 4250-4750 RPM. equates to about a 15 HP loss total that could be regained through a SAFC-II and a FPR... right now i dont think the 15 HP is worth the cash instead im just going to save up for the new IC and EMS and regain that HP that way.

[jgreening]

a copy of the dyno graph chart and an 8.5X11 autocross picture which will be taken next weekend at either our kettering event or the Detroit-SCCA event , if the HP number had been guessed dead on, then you would have won a copy of NFS:U2 for PS2.

as for another update i picked up the car today and talked with dan some more. he helped me out with a few ideas and it looks like i will first be getting a new Greddy boost gauge (autometer gauges = teh suck), a new IC (possably a GT-4 WAIC... or a Greddy SMIC if i have less incentive than to take on the WAIC project), and a hydra-nemesis EMS system which will be installed and tuned by him... that right there should put me around the 260-265ish range, and after upgrading fuel components and raising boost, i should be flirting with the 300 mark after more tuning.

after finally being able to see my graphs, i made 197.8 HP and 215.4 Ft. Lbs. the HP number would have been larger had i not had a very rich condition at approx. 4250-4750 RPM. equates to about a 15 HP loss total that could be regained through a SAFC-II and a FPR... right now i dont think the 15 HP is worth the cash instead im just going to save up for the new IC and EMS and regain that HP that way.
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Good plan on the EMS. I am getting one as well.

As for the prizes, I don't have a PS2 anyway (or time to play ftm). Just post the dyno chart and that will be good enough for that. As for the picture, I will take a 8 x 10 color glossy of something hot at the event besides a car....surprise me.

[97sccelica]

EMS all the way

tuning makes all the difference

btw, why not a TMIC(trunk mount IC)

[Mr2_Joel]

trunk mounts are overrated

and why lose the little storage you have lol

[bloodrain]

im not gonna bother guessing but could I have the underground 2? lol

[boosted_K2]

ya, GT4 WAIC is the only way to fly

and im not exactly sure what you would like to see in the picture j, its a SCCA event, its not like a HIN or any dirty show like that.

[97sccelica]

trunk mounts are overrated

and why lose the little storage you have lol
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you dont lose it, its storing an intercooler

[boosted_K2]

nah, im not one into cutting up the frame of the vehicle.

[jgreening]

ya, GT4 WAIC is the only way to fly

and im not exactly sure what you would like to see in the picture j, its a SCCA event, its not like a HIN or any dirty show like that.
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Laughs @ "dirty show". No autocross groupies Tim?

[Supersprynt]

ya, GT4 WAIC is the only way to fly

[dstrbcelica]

that's it..