I am Confused, Why get V8's?? Options

[Guest_Matthew_*]

Like the title says, why get a mustang or camaro, firebird, etc. Unless it is like a 69 Camaro SS or something. I know a guy who works at a Chevy and Pontiac dealer. We argue like everyday about the corvette and new Pontiac GTO. They both have the 5.7 Liter V8 engine. It's like 350 Hp or something. What I don't get is why do people think that they have to have bigass mean sounding engines to get big power. I know that some of them can withhold boost by a super charger and nitrous. But I have only seen one stang that had a turbo. It was in a magazine. I guess what I don't get is why do they have bigass gas guzzling engines that produce mediocre horsepower when you can get a 2.0 Liter engine to produce more than twice of the amount that some V8's have?

Can someone explain this to me? I know that k2 works at some mustang performance place. Or maybe someone else. Maybe one of you guys can explain it to me.

Thanks

Edit: Everyone is concerned about emissions and gas usage then why do they continue to produce those cars. Honestly I know that some 4 bangers lose to V8's and V10's. But I have seen personally a Dodge Neon completly spank the shiat out of a Viper.

This post has been edited by igotta5S-FEturbo: Apr 13, 2003 - 4:33 PM

[Guest_Matthew_*]

nobody?

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[FallenHero]

People buy V8's for power. Look at it like this. You have 20k. You can buy a newer Camaro z-28 that will run easy 13's-12's, OR, you could buy an older import and make huge power out of the small engine and run 13's or 12's. Now. You have a reliable camaro big power car, or you have an old import with a transmition that wants to explode and an engine producing power it was not made to handle. Which one will last?

If I wanted big power, I'd get a V8(non-mustang) But for looks and funfactor, you gotta love compacts.

[Phat_99CeliGT]

Ya know, i really don't know??
Thats weird, cause i have 3 Stangs.

I just like them cause i grew up with Mustangs.
I know the older ones are the best IMO.
My 67 fastback has the 390 in it, my 67 coupe has a 6 cylinder in it right now(built up 289 on the way) and my 68 vert has an origional 302.

[Guest_Matthew_*]

i do kinda agree BUT celicas are reliable. i mean stock 205's are 255hp. stock V8 stangs are at what?
250 also. with the celica you have a lighter car and more power and better traction and better looks. and a more rare car.

and about your 20K idea. get a 6th gen for 5 or 6 g's buy a front/rear clip for 4500 swap in everything for anothe 4 or 5K. that's 15500 at most. then you have extra cash for stereo rims body kit etc. and some extra performance mods.

[FallenHero]

But to bring a FF car into the 13's area, it would take more than a stock 3s. And if you did too much more you would need some crazy traction control or you would just sit on the line and spin. Like I said. For a complete car I'd rather have a compact, but for speed a V8 is just plain better. (I'm speaking in terms of the straight line and top end.)

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

I can understand why people go V-8....they handle the power so much better than most 4 cylinders ever could, and they dont whine under the abuse. Its all about balls, i would love to have an old car with a V-8, theyre engines beg for more every time you lay on it.

Look at it this way for example......who would win in a tug of war, a short little muscular guy on steroids pushing himself to the brink of collapsing, or 2 dozen little girls that hardly have to try?? Thats one way to look at it, i suppose.....

[Guest_Matthew_*]

scratching head

which one is which?

all that i am saying is that 4 bangers are more efficient at the same power.

This post has been edited by igotta5S-FEturbo: Apr 13, 2003 - 7:54 PM

[Phr0z3n664]

I love compact cars with 4 bangers, but they will never truly be able to match what an 8-cylinder is capable of. they can take alot more abuse and have capability for crazy amounts of torque. I would take a car with any 300-400 series engine over a 4 cylinder. Especially a Lingenfelter 427.
There's not many good cars that have a good v8's in them besides older camaros, and Corvette Stingray 67-69, and the newest c5 and z06 vettes(z06's blow just a slightly built up LS1 engine renamed LS6, for the money C5 is definitely better, and has more aftermarket parts)

just my $0.02

[94blackst]

I love compacts too, but nothing compares to the way a nicely tuned v-8 purrs.

[Guest_Matthew_*]

screw that shiat. i bet if you bought a 98 camaro ss against a 98 st205 i wonder who will win.
i have seen a stock gt-4 beat an rx-7 twin turbo

edit: so i know that the camaro won't win.

yea the old ones are the only good ones. not the new ones.

This post has been edited by igotta5S-FEturbo: Apr 13, 2003 - 8:29 PM

[hiflytsi]

well, the only classic kind of car that I like is a GTO 67-69. God they are sexy. I got pissed that they had to put it in the XXX disaster. But I guess it really just goes back to pepsi vs. coke; the factors of which you were raised on and what your tastes are.

[zigy]

-hahahha stock 98-up Camaro SS has 320hp in it's basic trim (before dealer extras)
-those Camaros (98-up) come with "LS1 engine" which is pulled from Corvette

-Vortech/Edelbrock (supercharger/internals) have a packages for either SS or Z28
(because they have same engine, Z28 doesn't have ram-air so it's rated at 305hp)

Package 1 ($5000 - MSRP with Install @ $70/hour shop rate)

-around 500 whp

Package 2 ($8000 - MSRP with Install @ $70/hour shop rate)

-around 750 whp

Package 3 and up are not street legal

I'm sorry but no 4- banger can keep up either in Stock/Modified trim with LS1 engine

have seen Camaros/Corvettes in about 900hp

[macavely]

1 The bigger the engine the soomther the power output
2 Big engines don't die
3 The Bigger the engine the easier to work on
4 When is the last time you saw a 1000 HP L4

[ghostdog]

I don't understand why some people hate on V8s. Seems to me it must be a phenomenon concoted by civic owners to justify their underpowered four-bangers. Even in Japan, the home of the economy 4cyl, theres a lot of respect for the American V8. They might not be as technologically advanced as an RB26DET or what have you, but power is power. I give mad props to any enthusiast who takes the time to improve their ride, whether it be V8, I4 or any other variation. My 2 cents...

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (gh0st_d0g @ Apr 13, 2003 - 8:21 PM)

I don't understand why some people hate on V8s. Seems to me it must be a phenomenon concoted by civic owners to justify their underpowered four-bangers. Even in Japan, the home of the economy 4cyl, theres a lot of respect for the American V8. They might not be as technologically advanced as an RB26DET or what have you, but power is power. I give mad props to any enthusiast who takes the time to improve their ride, whether it be V8, I4 or any other variation. My 2 cents...

ditto, well said man. to each his own.

[95STCelica]

i dont know why but if i could get any car it'd be the newer Ram Air Firebird Trans AM they are gorgeous..

[Cody]

A Datsun 240z with small block V8 = Sexy.

[Blackcelliman]

Alot of the V-8's are driven by old people because they don't have to press on the accelerator that hard for it to go a normal speed. I would love to see just once an old woman flooring her Crown Vic down the highway, but I probably will never have the pleasure.

[FallenHero]

QUOTE (MrCodyFantastic @ Apr 13, 2003 - 9:33 PM)

A Datsun 240z with small block V8 = Sexy.

A 240 with a small block and proper suspension are the best race cars there are. They've got perfect 50-50 weight distribution.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

QUOTE (FallenHero @ Apr 14, 2003 - 5:55 AM)

QUOTE (MrCodyFantastic @ Apr 13, 2003 - 9:33 PM) A Datsun 240z with small block V8 = Sexy. A 240 with a small block and proper suspension are the best race cars there are. They've got perfect 50-50 weight distribution.

Hells yeah, my neighbor who also owns a really nice Mustang bought a 240z off some old lady who didnt know what she had just sitting in her garage. It had something like 15k miles on it, but all the belts and hoses and everything were dry rotted, and needed a new tranny. Beautiful car though when he finished it.....i coulda had it for around 5-6 thousand

[ashleyzredcelica]

i don't hate on V8's. My dad and i are restoring his 69 Chevelle SS and a 911 Porche. V8's hate on me. There is this guy that has a 90 Iroc-z camaro, i mean the car is nice needs some body work and minor things. If something breaks he just rigs it doesn't really fix it. anyway he always asks me when i'm gonna get the other half of my motor. it makes me mad cause i don't friggin dis his car. NOT tryin to sound bitchy but my car is in WAY better condition than his and all i hear about is how much his is worth. When i got my white wheels he was like, "damn you made that car even more ugly." I told him that i fix up my car to get ppl to like me like he does. I am tryin to be as unique as i can in making my mods. I like being different. So thats how i feel.

[FallenHero]

there will always be idiots in the world. The trick is knowing how to make them look stupid without them realizing it.

[Cody]

QUOTE (Silver94CelicaOwner @ Apr 14, 2003 - 8:04 AM)

QUOTE (FallenHero @ Apr 14, 2003 - 5:55 AM) QUOTE (MrCodyFantastic @ Apr 13, 2003 - 9:33 PM) A Datsun 240z with small block V8 = Sexy. A 240 with a small block and proper suspension are the best race cars there are. They've got perfect 50-50 weight distribution. Hells yeah, my neighbor who also owns a really nice Mustang bought a 240z off some old lady who didnt know what she had just sitting in her garage. It had something like 15k miles on it, but all the belts and hoses and everything were dry rotted, and needed a new tranny. Beautiful car though when he finished it.....i coulda had it for around 5-6 thousand

Yeah. Before I got my Celica, I wanted to get a 240z and do the V8 swap. In fact, I'd almost rather do that than get a 3sgte for my Celica. I just need to find an old lady that has one sitting in her garage...with 15k on it.

[GT-4]

no replacement for displacement!!! Take that and carve it in stone...

[97sccelica]

QUOTE (GT-4 @ Apr 14, 2003 - 10:35 AM)

no replacement for displacement!!! Take that and carve it in stone...

exactly

but the way i put it is

in the end there is no replacement for displacement

sure there are a lot of high power stock i4's out there like the new lancer evo 8, 270hp

everything in a v8 is bigger and because of that everything is stronger and they can make insane amounts of power. the only time i have a problem with a v8 is when the guy is an asshole and when the asshole owns a chevy truck/suv. all those guys are jerks and they always claim chevy makes the highest quality stuff but yet the tranny is garanteed to die at around 150k, why? because the engines make too much power or is that an excuse for a porr tranny design?

i am a rare kind of person, i like all types of cars. i might hate individual cars and companies, but i like the idea of specialized cars. the little 4 banger imports are built for the curves, the highways are left to the camaros and stangs.

when ever someone makes fun of my car i really dont care. my friend with a 1998 5.0 sierra would make fun of my car when i first got it and made plans to mod it, he would say that there is no point and that since my TOYOTA had 64k miles it was too old to mod when he was planning to mod his truck with 100k miles because it is pointless to mod a i4 and no matter how old the v8 is it is worth it, and then his intake manifold gasket blew, and his injectors died, and alternator died, and master cylinder failed, fuel pump broke. after that truck cost him about $2500 in repairs he stopped saying a lot of things about my car. and oh yeah, he gets 10mpg as apposed to my 30mpg and guess what, my car is just as fast as his.

i respect the v8 potential, i just hate the owners of v8's. all engines are engineering marvels, all should be respected IF AND ONLY IF it is placed in the proper category, ie economy, performance, and work. unlike honda performance engines. they are called performance but if you have almost 2 times the amount of HP as Torque, i would hardly call that performance no matter how much faster the car is than mine.

[XE_Nathaniel]

Screw all of that......Inline-6's all the way! =)

[zigy]

hehehe when some V8 owner ask you to race him?!?

you say: Yes, why not

he says: Really?

you say: Yea, but not in straight line!

he says: Then how?

You say: AROUND THE PARKING LOT!!!!



I'm sorry but most V8 suck in handling....

[Swifty]

V8's sure,
Sweet, strong solid engines with massive power.
Just keep the US made SH$T away from me.
Most US V8's make about 50 Hp/litre of displacement very unefficient, they also fall apart.
If ur gonna get a big V8 or 10 or 12 get it from europe, 4 bangger/ 6? get it from Japan.
Japan - compact economy cars Very efficient sleepers decent engines make 100 and up HP/Litre (7g GTS, S2000, 2JZ, GSR, etc.)
Europe - Finely tuned, elegant machines making at least 100 HP/L on average (all Porches, ferraris, Mid-High end BMW, etc.)
American - Utter **** that falls apart in no time flat, cars made with junk parts and driven by morons. Oh yeah theyre f$%king slow and make about 50 Hp/L.
Note to V8 drivers: Dont get in my face and brag about the 300/400 Hp u got cuz
1. with the money I save buying an i 4, I'll top that.
2. Ur car's made from old toasters, and if u try and race me in curves it'll fall apart
3. I know cars enough not to buy Domestics (Ford's, etc.) so while you rant about big muscle cars, I'm laughing at your redneck accent.
4. Any one can squash a gas pedal, but it takes a refined taste to appreciate the engineering of a smaller engine
5. My car weighs a ton (literally) less than yours.
6. Jap/Euro cars look 10^99 times better than US V8's.

[macavely]

QUOTE (Swifty @ Apr 15, 2003 - 6:29 PM)

V8's sure, Sweet, strong solid engines with massive power. Just keep the US made SH$T away from me. Most US V8's make about 50 Hp/litre of displacement very unefficient, they also fall apart. If ur gonna get a big V8 or 10 or 12 get it from europe, 4 bangger/ 6? get it from Japan. Japan - compact economy cars Very efficient sleepers decent engines make 100 and up HP/Litre (7g GTS, S2000, 2JZ, GSR, etc.) Europe - Finely tuned, elegant machines making at least 100 HP/L on average (all Porches, ferraris, Mid-High end BMW, etc.) American - Utter **** that falls apart in no time flat, cars made with junk parts and driven by morons. Oh yeah theyre f$%king slow and make about 50 Hp/L. Note to V8 drivers: Dont get in my face and brag about the 300/400 Hp u got cuz 1. with the money I save buying an i 4, I'll top that. 2. Ur car's made from old toasters, and if u try and race me in curves it'll fall apart 3. I know cars enough not to buy Domestics (Ford's, etc.) so while you rant about big muscle cars, I'm laughing at your redneck accent. 4. Any one can squash a gas pedal, but it takes a refined taste to appreciate the engineering of a smaller engine 5. My car weighs a ton (literally) less than yours. 6. Jap/Euro cars look 10^99 times better than US V8's.

Not all US cars suck and fall apart. True toyotas are for ever, but if you take car of your car it will last you till the day you die. this guy that lived on my block had the same NOVA for over 30 years. and he took great car of it. and i'll say it again big engines don't die.