Trials and tribulations of the 4agze swap, So close, yet so far... Options

[FAQdaWorld]

For those of you who have wondered, the 4agze will not bolt up to the stock 7afe (c52 transmission), not with the gze's flywheel anyway. The bellhousing is nowhere near the correct size, and will not fit.

So someone should correct the sticky, because I know everyone always tells everyone that it 'should work'.

I do have a backup plan so I will be using the e51 tranny, but need to get another custom axle (pita).

I need someone who really know's their **** w/ axles to pm me, maybe I'll post pics later tonight.

w/e, so tired. later folks...


-FAQ

[Kwanza26]

I coulda sworn I mentioned this before... The 4AGZE flywheel is 224mm and it's completely different from typical 4AG flywheels. Personally, dealing with the E51 would be a bit too much for me, so I'd just get a 4AG flywheel and use the C52... so I wouldn't have to mess with axles, mounts, or anything else.

[Dr_Tweak]

Yeah, use the 4AGE flywheel and you should be set. For that matter, the 7AFE flywheel might even work, I know the clutch kit is the same...

This post has been edited by raven_101: May 8, 2005 - 4:27 AM

[FAQdaWorld]

what, your trying to say that the 4agze and 7afe clutch kit are the same? or the ge clutch kit? I am just gonna go custom w/ the pass side axle. for now, just thought that everyone should know this, and perhaps correct the sticky, as there is no mention of it anywhere.

[S_C_M]

IIRC, the 7A flywheel will not work on a 4AGZ, as the crankshaft has a diffrent number of bolts.

*edit*
Confirmed further down in the thread.

This post has been edited by S_C_M: May 9, 2005 - 12:28 AM

[playr158]

the 4AGE = 7AFE
aka their clutch kits are the same you need either 4age or 7afe tranny

the 4agze does not match cause the
4agze doesn't match the 4age either

if the housing matches the block
(7afe housing 4agze block) then you could use the 7afe flywheel i think is wat people are saying

This post has been edited by playr158: May 8, 2005 - 10:42 AM

[Kwanza26]

the 4AGE = 7AFE
aka their clutch kits are the same you need either 4age or 7afe tranny

the 4agze does not match cause the
4agze doesn't match the 4age either

if the housing matches the block
(7afe housing 4agze block) then you could use the 7afe flywheel i think is wat people are saying
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Umm... the 7AFE flywheel is basically the same thing as the 4AGE flywheel, except it has only 6 bolts. 4AG's have 8 bolts. There are 2 different 4AGE flywheels, and either should work. One is the older flywheels (200mm) which came on the older 4AGE's. The other is the 212mm flywheel, which come on the later model (88+) 4AGE's. The 7AFE clutch kit should work on the 212mm 4AGE flywheel. If you get a 200mm flywheel from the older MR2's or Corolla GTS's, then use the appropriate clutch.

[doGGy]

OT:

Player, i hate to say this - but sometime you talk without any experience.... And sometimes you confuse others.... Its better not to say anything instead of say somthing like i hear that some one told to some one and some one said it will fit.....



I do belive to Kwanza - cuz he deals with this stuff, knows this stuff, i knows what he is talking about cuz of his experience. So better read what people write, instead of writing somthing what you arent sure (im not flaming you, this is just friendly advise)

the 4AGE = 7AFE
aka their clutch kits are the same you need either 4age or 7afe tranny

the 4agze does not match cause the
4agze doesn't match the 4age either

if the housing matches the block
(7afe housing 4agze block) then you could use the 7afe flywheel i think is wat people are saying
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[DmVinny]

OT:

Player, i hate to say this - but sometime you talk without any experience.... And sometimes you confuse others.... Its better not to say anything instead of say somthing like i hear that some one told to some one and some one said it will fit.....



I do belive to Kwanza - cuz he deals with this stuff, knows this stuff, i knows what he is talking about cuz of his experience. So better read what people write, instead of writing somthing what you arent sure (im not flaming you, this is just friendly advise)

the 4AGE = 7AFE
aka their clutch kits are the same you need either 4age or 7afe tranny

the 4agze does not match cause the
4agze doesn't match the 4age either

if the housing matches the block
(7afe housing 4agze block) then you could use the 7afe flywheel i think is wat people are saying
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Whats the word im looking for here??? oh yeah!


PWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[doGGy]

No its not the right word..... I aint tryed to pwn him onr anything, just friendly advise.......

OT:

Player, i hate to say this - but sometime you talk without any experience.... And sometimes you confuse others.... Its better not to say anything instead of say somthing like i hear that some one told to some one and some one said it will fit.....



I do belive to Kwanza - cuz he deals with this stuff, knows this stuff, i knows what he is talking about cuz of his experience. So better read what people write, instead of writing somthing what you arent sure (im not flaming you, this is just friendly advise)

the 4AGE = 7AFE
aka their clutch kits are the same you need either 4age or 7afe tranny

the 4agze does not match cause the
4agze doesn't match the 4age either

if the housing matches the block
(7afe housing 4agze block) then you could use the 7afe flywheel i think is wat people are saying
[right][snapback]284243[/snapback][/right]

[right][snapback]284327[/snapback][/right]

Whats the word im looking for here??? oh yeah!


PWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[playr158]

i wasn't feeding in new it was a question
cause thats was asking
the information on this thread was increditably confusing and i was trying to ask is that what they were trying to say cause nobody said anything clear.....i wasn't putting in new i was asking if that sorting of information was right

but watever

[H8DC3lica94]

DMC and i ran into the same problem a few weeks ago. So the solution was to use a 4age lighten flywheel with a 4age clutch kit.

A 7afe flywheel will not bolt up to a 4agze or a 4age. the 4a has an 8 bolt pattern, while the 7a has a 6 bolt pattern.




As you can all see, here is a 4agze with the 7afe tranny. well u can sorta see it. But its in there.

[playr158]

thank you H8 for some straight up info

instead of the bitching from the others

[FAQdaWorld]

The clutch kit for the gze and the 7afe are radically different if that wasnt allready cleared up.

[Dr_Tweak]

I can confirm that the 7AFE and the later 4AGE clutch kits are the same. Actually, it's the same tranny, so it makes sense.

[FAQdaWorld]

Anyway, i ran the celica for a good while today, got everything circulating, wil lhave a video later today, (much later considering its allready monday). Anyway, i'll post that later along w/ some pics so we I can get some axle related questions answered.

Video

As promised, the video not too long, and about 10 meg. But shows the engine running and revving a bit.


It's gonna sound weird cuz there's only a downpipe on the sucker.

-Ryan

This post has been edited by FAQdaWorld: May 9, 2005 - 5:24 PM

[FAQdaWorld]

Here's the axle that i'm gonna ask a quick q about....





I'm pretty sure i allready know the answer, but is it possible to remove the cv joints and replace the actual axle bar w/ a longer bar and then put the joints back on. If i understand how the axle is actually made it should be possible, but i could be mistaken.

Lemme know asap please fellas.


-ryan

[playr158]

what kinda longer bar?

are you useing another axel to make a hybrid?

[Rjb23]

Here's the axle that i'm gonna ask a quick q about....





I'm pretty sure i allready know the answer, but is it possible to remove the cv joints and replace the actual axle bar w/ a longer bar and then put the joints back on. If i understand how the axle is actually made it should be possible, but i could be mistaken.

Lemme know asap please fellas.


-ryan
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As long as the middle bar is the same, like it can be longer and stuff but the ends have to be the same as the bar thats on there now. There are rings that hold the ends of the axles on, you have to take something and knock the ends off.

[FAQdaWorld]

Could a new bar be made is what I'm asking that will work with it, i know it'd have to be the same like method of attaching to the joint.

[FAQdaWorld]

The celica was able to move today under its own power, just need to go ahead and get the passenger axle worked out. Once that's done the car is literally drivable, well with the hood off till i get the fmic

EDIT: I just slipped the clutch a little bit to make sure everything was engaging correctly cuz i just finished the auto to manual swap too


-Ryan

This post has been edited by FAQdaWorld: May 24, 2005 - 1:23 AM

[rocky2006]

sounds awesome dude. get some pics and a dyno sheet asap.

[MonsterBOX]

from the sound of that engine maybe we'll get some kind of unexpected 900hp

[rocky2006]

haha, yeah. i bet he wishes.

[FAQdaWorld]

well of course thats what a exhaust is gonna sound like w/ nothing but a downpipe . But i'll be happy w/ around 300 hp or so.

[nik]

well of course thats what a exhaust is gonna sound like w/ nothing but a downpipe . But i'll be happy w/ around 300 hp or so.
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what mods did you do to the motor?

[FAQdaWorld]

No mods, its stock as of now. Eventually i'll turbo it, and go stand alone. But for now we're just getting it mobile. 300 hp or so would be my GOALish HP.


-FAQ

[H8DC3lica94]

Its great to hear that ur progressing. Im stuck until i get the igniter in the mail. I have located it, but havent recieved it. After that, its all DMC to finish up. Final wiring, pipping for the fmic, and exhaust pipes.

[FAQdaWorld]

So yay, 2 6gc's w/ the gze. The great thing is the ammount of potential that this motor has. Slap on a turbo, and ur good for 300 hp. What tranny are you gonna be using? the stock c52? I'm looking forward to the power of the e58 (lsd).

-FAQ

[H8DC3lica94]

yep, the stock ST tranny. I hope it can hold up. But there are plans in the future for a 6speed application. Gotta do some research.

[Rjb23]

What was the wiring like for this swap?

Also what axles did you guys use? I assume that if you use the 7a tranny you can just use the 7a axles?

This post has been edited by Rjb23: May 30, 2005 - 3:40 PM