If YOU thought Dodge was bad.....Poor Family :(, http://www.donotbuydodge.ca/ Options

[asg14]

I feel so bad for what this family has to go through......

http://www.donotbuydodge.ca/

[fastgt]

well thats more like bad luck with the car and bad luck with the dealer not all dodges are that bad, i had a 99 1500 which was a great truck and the only reason i got rid of it was because i wanted a 03 hemi 4x4 which to this day has given me no problems whatsoever.

[asg14]

well thats more like bad luck with the car and bad luck with the dealer [right][snapback]288381[/snapback][/right]

Make sure you read it all, goes deeper then what you may think. Lots behind the scene's of this whole ordeal.

[fastgt]

oh yeah and their mini vans are a real piece of crap

[amysmojo]

I dont have anything against Dodge, even after reading that story...Those people just need to find the right Dodge people to help them...no company is going to just say "ohh your s*** out of luck, sorry buddy" If a company did that...they wouldnt be in business anymore lol

My dad has a 98 Durango, its has never had anything wrong w/ it...

[Jen]

My friend has one of the old turbo caravans. 88 or 89? He says he has never had a major problem with it.

[DamDirtyApes]

i feel dumber after looking at that website. This guy is just stupid

[amysmojo]

ya thank u damdirtyapes....I wanted to say somethin like that lol

[soltrain]

What makes you think he's stupid? Perhaps some of the logos and graphics are pretty extreme (The counter for days without van for example), but he has a valid case. I'd congradulate him for what he's done.

[Ale_lock]

What makes you think he's stupid? Perhaps some of the logos and graphics are pretty extreme (The counter for days without van for example), but he has a valid case. I'd congradulate him for what he's done.
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/agree

[celicarocker]

"Suffering and Inconvenience

There is absolutely no reason why a consumer should have to go through as much trouble as we have to have a manufacturer fix problems that are so obviously caused by defects in the product. These issues have caused, and are continuing to cause, an immeasurable amount of suffering, grief, and inconvenience to me, my family, and to my business. I request a sum of $100,000 to offset some of this unnecessary hardship."

if you click on the "what i want" link thats at the bottom. i think thats a little rediculous, but other than that i think he has a point. i agree with him.

[DamDirtyApes]

Name one car company that doesnt have its problems. Im sure that somewhere along the line there has been a celica that has leaked like hell. Since when is it Dodges responsibitliy to communicate with this person. Car dealerships are the people you get repairs through. The reasen for all the other problems (or most) is becuase of the leak. This guy is clearly greedy and needs to get his facts straight. Its not dodges fault his car dealership screwed him over. And that bit about him suffering, he can shove it. Im sure there are millions of people who would be happy with a car like that, hes not suffering, hes inconvienced.

This post has been edited by DamDirtyApes: May 18, 2005 - 6:30 PM

[Andason]

Name one car company that doesnt have its problems.  Im sure that somewhere along the line there has been a celica that has leaked like hell.  Since when is it Dodges responsibitliy to communicate with this person.  Car dealerships are the people you get repairs through.  The reasen for all the other problems (or most) is becuase of the leak.  This guy is clearly greedy and needs to get his facts straight.  Its not dodges fault his car dealership screwed him over.  And that bit about him suffering, he can shove it.  Im sure there are millions of people who would be happy with a car like that, hes not suffering, hes inconvienced.
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yes, ive had my problems with my toyota... but have had nothing but more than friendly service and they always continued until the problem was fixed.

[asg14]

Name one car company that doesnt have its problems.  Im sure that somewhere along the line there has been a celica that has leaked like hell.  Since when is it Dodges responsibitliy to communicate with this person.  Car dealerships are the people you get repairs through.  The reasen for all the other problems (or most) is becuase of the leak.  This guy is clearly greedy and needs to get his facts straight.  Its not dodges fault his car dealership screwed him over.  And that bit about him suffering, he can shove it.  Im sure there are millions of people who would be happy with a car like that, hes not suffering, hes inconvienced.
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I think someone needs to READ the website before posting things............

You clearly have NO IDEA what the situation is from what you said. It goes much deeper then what you know. Read it ALL and then post again. He is dealing with the manufacturer too, and they are the main reason for the problems, not the dealership themselves.

and you say, "Im sure there are millions of people who would be happy with a car like that, hes not suffering, hes inconvienced". So you think he should be happy with owning a van, that out of 23 months of ownership, has been in the shop for 179 days? Yup, i would be SO happy with that! I'm gonna go buy a Dodge!

[FAQdaWorld]

w3rd

[amysmojo]

Ya i'd say its both! He suffered & was also inconvenienced...lol


suffering: To feel pain or distress; sustain loss, injury, harm, or punishment.

inconvenienced: Not suited to one's comfort, purpose, or needs


it all SUCKS for him but Im not gonna sit here & feel bad for him (unless it happened to one of you)...I got my own problems to worry about lol

[DamDirtyApes]

Name one car company that doesnt have its problems.  Im sure that somewhere along the line there has been a celica that has leaked like hell.  Since when is it Dodges responsibitliy to communicate with this person.  Car dealerships are the people you get repairs through.  The reasen for all the other problems (or most) is becuase of the leak.  This guy is clearly greedy and needs to get his facts straight.  Its not dodges fault his car dealership screwed him over.  And that bit about him suffering, he can shove it.  Im sure there are millions of people who would be happy with a car like that, hes not suffering, hes inconvienced.
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I think someone needs to READ the website before posting things............

You clearly have NO IDEA what the situation is from what you said. It goes much deeper then what you know. Read it ALL and then post again. He is dealing with the manufacturer too, and they are the main reason for the problems, not the dealership themselves.

and you say, "Im sure there are millions of people who would be happy with a car like that, hes not suffering, hes inconvienced". So you think he should be happy with owning a van, that out of 23 months of ownership, has been in the shop for 179 days? Yup, i would be SO happy with that! I'm gonna go buy a Dodge!
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actully i have read the website. His main problem is the leak which has caused so many problems. I have never heard of a car manufacterer dealing with warrenty repairs. Its car dealerships that do. You dont bring your car to toyota to get it fixed, you bring it to a shop that does warrenty work.

And about the suffering

its just an annoyance, sure it sucks but its not dodges fault that his car dealership was screweing him. There is no need for him to put the lame anti dodge stickers on his vehicle and make a website about it. thats just childish. Thats pretty bad if not having your car causes you mental pain.

His "what i want" section is the worst part of the whole website. Chrylser doesnt owe him squat. The only people that owe him anything is the car dealership he bought the car from.


Edit: After finishing reading this whole page i have one question, why doesnt he hire a lawyer and bring it to small claims court or take appropriate measures, he would clearly win in a suit (against the car dealership for refusing approiate warrenty work). Making a webpage isnt going to fix his car.

This post has been edited by DamDirtyApes: May 18, 2005 - 9:11 PM

[red94celicagt]

he states that a lawyer is too much money for him right now...but it seems that with what he has spent and gone through to no avail..he would've saved time, money, and effort if he had gotten a lawyer...not to mention he would win the suit and get at least partially recompensated (SP?)

[asg14]

he states that a lawyer is too much money for him right now...but it seems that with what he has spent and gone through to no avail..he would've saved time, money, and effort if he had gotten a lawyer...not to mention he would win the suit and get at least partially recompensated (SP?)
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You do have a good point there, but it is also Canada, not the USA. There is A LOT less lawsuits in Canada, as they are not sue happy like American's, haha. But I would not be surprised if he does that soon for his own sanity.


*Edit, BTW, I LOVE your sig!

This post has been edited by asg14: May 18, 2005 - 10:38 PM

[red94celicagt]

he states that a lawyer is too much money for him right now...but it seems that with what he has spent and gone through to no avail..he would've saved time, money, and effort if he had gotten a lawyer...not to mention he would win the suit and get at least partially recompensated (SP?)
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You do have a good point there, but it is also Canada, not the USA. There is A LOT less lawsuits in Canada, as they are not sue happy like American's, haha. But I would not be surprised if he does that soon for his own sanity.


*Edit, BTW, I LOVE your sig!
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lolz thanks i thought it was kinda funny how i started a thread that said i got my seond speeding ticket...and note my sig but no one said anything about it

but anyways, you're right about the Canada thing, I didn't notice he was from Canada...so sueing is not his first thought as it would be to Americans.

[darksecret]

Alright, i'm as anti-Dodge as it comes, except for the muscle cars, since the mid eighties Dodge has been notorious for throwing crap on the scene i.e. Aries, Caravelle, Caravan, Neon, etc. not to say they're all crap but I do recall that for a long time (until the mid '90s) Chrysler didn't even put a clearcoat on their paint jobs, my 1996 Eagle Talon didn't have one and it was a special edition color, and Caravans were notorious for the paint peeling. Dodge also puts out the s***iest transmission of the big three, i've had a '97, '99, '03 Ram 4x4's have to get the transmissions rebuilt after 70,000 miles, not to mention some of the DSM's weak tranny (for the power capability of the motor). I think of all the Chrysler products i've owned the only one that seems to have held up is my '81 work van, and it's got an old school 360 in it. My point behind hating Dodge is they send out a lot of low quality work and until recently the Magnum 360 couldn't even hang with the Ford Triton 4.8 or Chevy 350 Vortec on power or gas mileage, i've owned all three and the Dodge was the worst, even the new "HEMI" isn't even a true HEMI.

Now on to subject the Caravan sucks regardless, cool options, bad quality, but he should have filed a lemon report (if possible in Canada). I can tell that a lot of people posting have never worked at a dealership, yes the dealership covers the warranty repairs, no the dealership is not responsible if the vehicle is a lemon (if you find a finger tip in your chili will you want to talk to the restaurant or the head office?). Dealerships buy their vehicles from the manufacturers and sell them, if the vehicle is a lemon then they file a report to the manufacturer and have the vehicle shipped back and repaired or replaced. A dealership is only resposible for incentive warranties not manufacturer warranties, if a dealership said they'll give an extra year on that 2 year warranty then it's the dealerships problem. A lot of Ford dealerships quit selling Saleens because Saleen wouldn't hold their end of the warranty, if a dealership fixes a car for a manufacturer problem they are credited for the parts and labor involved to fix that mistake, so yes the dealership sinks time into it but why do they care because they're being paid by the manufacturer for it. If I was that guy I would sue for any loss and a new vehicle, but not $100,000 he's the one that chose to buy it. I wouldn't lose a hundred grand worth of stuff over a POS Caravan anyway, i'd get me a new Toyota, or at least a moped with a trailer before it went that far, lol.

BTW: The old crank style sunroof was notorious for leaking also. I also understand the demands but the $100,000 is covered by the rest of the demands, and what about the wages, (he sounded like being payed for the time he put into fighting them not the time taken from work) I don't ask Wal-Mart to pay me for every minute I stand in line because the cashier can't figure out what a pack of cigarettes are. Missing pocket PC is understandable, but without proof he's SOL. Time for buiding the website is funny, hey Coomer you going to sue us for the time it takes to maintain this site, j/k.

This post has been edited by darksecret: May 19, 2005 - 10:23 AM

[asg14]

Dodge was the worst, even the new "HEMI" isn't even a true HEMI.
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My Camry has HEMIsphyrical heads too!

BTW, that was a very nice writeup you did, and thank you for getting my point across PERFECTLY!

[darksecret]

Yeah Chevy actually mastered the HEMI, on the exception they used the wedge port design so it wasn't a true one either. I agree on some points like the guy going for the manufacturer, but some of his demands are a little extreme, it's not like he got a concussion because the power lift gate failed, it was a leak, duct tape it, lol.

This post has been edited by darksecret: May 19, 2005 - 12:35 PM

[asg14]

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That will be the next thing to happen to him......AHAHHA

[darksecret]

If he does sue a judge will have a field day with his demands.

[DamDirtyApes]

yeah i agree with you darksecret about most of that, not all dodges are **** though. Iv seen good quality ones and my friends dads caravan is an amazingly built car. He has over 140000 miles on it. Interior isnt worn, paint is perfect, no major problems, and still running strong as hell.


yeah defintly though, that guy should go after the dealership instead of wasting his time on a fruitless anti dodge campaign

[Pali_playa]

yeah i agree with you darksecret about most of that, not all dodges are **** though.  Iv seen good quality ones and my friends dads caravan is an amazingly built car.  He has over 140000 miles on it.  Interior isnt worn, paint is perfect, no major problems, and still running strong as hell.


yeah defintly though, that guy should go after the dealership instead of wasting his time on a fruitless anti dodge campaign
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not really cause this gets the word out....right now im reading all the detailed history...and this is really nasty. some parts i wouldnt agree with him, but this dealership is sad. it really wouldnt be hard for chysler to meet his needs either, theyre not that much for a multi billion dollar company

[asg14]

I think the dealership, and Chrysler is loosing a lot more money from this then if they just replaced his van.....

[DamDirtyApes]

its also not chrysler thats telling him they are fixing his car, then damage his bumper or dont do ne thign at all.

[darksecret]

I can't figure out how shade tree mechanics can build a 500 hp V8 in a month by themselves and it takes a dealership full of trained mechanics 4 months to find a leak and fix it, look at the friggin roof rack it's the most likley candidate.

[DamDirtyApes]

^ yup