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[darksecret]

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/207904

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/242666

I work on computers all day, this is my opinion of them (I do earn a living from them though). Be sure to watch the top one first or the bottom won't make sense.

[Hanyo]

arent the new g5 faster then most pc's?

[darksecret]

I don't know I specialize in PC's. There aren't enough people with Macs around here to work on them. As far as hardware goes they are very similar it's the OS that makes the big difference, I heard OSX is slower but it's better for video and pictures and is more stable, you can't really compare them since i've never heard of a true custom Mac but a PC has a high abundance of parts, plus a PC isn't as limited, a Dell, HP, Gateway, or custom inside are basically the same, unless you have a dinoputer then you're probably still running a 14.4 Modem through an ISA slot and have a whopping 32MB of EDO memory.

[lagos]

apple is very very good at marketing. they will make you believe the hype and pray you wont catch on to the fact that they just sold you a 2ghz machine for about doubble the price if the latest 3+ghz intell system goes for. not to say the computers are not good, or that osx isint a good os, but ive seen my share of brand new g5s have major issues.

PCs on the other hand suffered for years because microsoft still had to keep them compatible with the old DOS programs. this is basically the reason why a win 95-98-ME systems were so unstable. the OS didnt have protected memory addressing, so if one app crashed it took out the whole system.win 2000 and winXP basically changed all of that by ditching dos support all together and using a full 32bit os with protected memory addressing.

so the only thing that sets the apart is hardware. apple makes the os and controlls the hardware and in theory they should be able to make an os that would NEVER crash or have any issues at all. yet ive seen more then one mac crash, have cooling problems, etc.

imho, the best system is when you do research on the hardware and build your own pc running winXP. the computer i currenty have is the most stable system i have every owned. it never crashes or has any issues at all and it runs all day, every day for over 2years now.

[ArizonaRed]

macs look sexy though.

[darksecret]

I agree lagos, I made my system and in the past eight months i've run into a handful of spyware (8-9 files) and the only real issue I had was getting my graphics card to work correctly, it had some major confilctions with my onboard video but I worked that out. I don't ever recall my system crashing, but I do see what happens when someone neglects a system and then Windows can be a nightmare due to a lot of automated issues such as system restore.

[1900WattCelica]

imho, the best system is when you do research on the hardware and build your own pc running winXP.  the computer i currenty have is the most stable system i have every owned. it never crashes or has any issues at all and it runs all day, every day for over 2years now.
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Quote of the day...

And when it comes down to it, It isnt very hard to do. Just find someone that knows what there doing give you a crash course on computer hardware or take a class or find an online guide to building PCs from scratch. You can easily save 30% over buying a retail machine

[darksecret]

Took me about a month to get the hang of it. I poped a motherboard on my first try, but I figured I didn't need a manual also.

[erics1one]

If you're looking for power...don't even bother with MAC.

I'll build any type of PC (economy, high-end) for a 6GC member.

You can easily save 30% over buying a retail machine
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Very true.

This post has been edited by erics1one: Jun 9, 2005 - 11:40 AM

[Hanyo]

dont flame now. But the g5 have a limit of 8 gigs of ram. duel 2.5 ghz cpu and a 1.5 ghz fsb.

Just looking at the numbers, and its wow. Now dont get me wrong, i have made no clames what-so-ever that mac's are fast computers to use. But the numbers are telling me that that is one crazy machine. And the g5's have independent cooling levels/zones. Meaning the video card heat will not be suck in by the cpu fan. The cpu heat will not be sucked up by the powersupply. So that is quite impressive, the newest pc cooling design was the btx case, but no one has adopted to useing it.

Another thing is, most professions like video editing and photoshop use mac's. I'm getting the impression that mac's can do more processor intense processes.

[erics1one]

no flaming...just information sharing...I have no problem with the Mac/PC debate, been apart of the business for quite some time now. I'm used to it.

Those numbers ARE impressive, but you could do the same thing on a custom PC for half the price.

Also concerning the art industry and what companies are using: True, art related fields initially push Macs over PCs, but its usually just for ease of designing and simplicity of the OS and applications. But once your done with the 'design' part of the project you need to 'render' the whole thing. Which is done on the 'work horse' or power machine.

I would be very surprised to see any major company rendering on a Mac server.

Sure if you want to make a simple digital home video it CAN be done on either Mac or PC. But if you're taking on a large project which will require a lot of rendering and post production, anyone in that line of work will want a PC over Mac.

[darksecret]

The maker of that flash made it on a Mac, so he based it on his own experience, I use PC mostly because of experience, but Macs aren't bad, it's just the cost that kills them. PC has their overpriced POS's also, look at the Area 51, great machine but not worth $6,000, we built the same system for a little less than $2,000 of course ours doesn't come with that nice Alienware logo, but for $6,000 we can make ours outrun the Area 51 in reverse and still have enough power to play Matrix Online.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Jun 9, 2005 - 2:27 PM

[erics1one]

agree

even retail PCs aren't worth the money. Custom all the way.

[lagos]

Hanyo .... yes those are the max specs, but in reality... they need 2 cpus just to compete with one intel chip and most macs ship with 512megs of ram out of the box. you are also going to pay about 3,000$ for that system (with 512....1gig if you are lucky) not to mention the monitor is extra. i could build a dual 3+ ghz system from intel for that much money.

if anything breaks on the system....fans, motherboard, etc... you only option for replacement parts is apple and u have to pay for whatever they charge.


every 3 years or so, i take 600$ to the local computer show and buy the latest cpu, motherboard, and ram. thats a great bang for the buck as far as upgrades go.

also you can buy a slower cpu and overclock it and save some money. my current cpu is a 2.8ghz overclocked to 3.0ghz 100% stable on stock cooling.

This post has been edited by lagos: Jun 9, 2005 - 5:43 PM

[erics1one]

also you can buy a slower cpu and overclock it and save some money. my current cpu is a 2.8ghz overclocked to 3.0ghz  100% stable on stock cooling.
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Art is the man! He knows all the tricks.

Mine is:
HT 2.6 OCed to 3.0
100% stable on custom cooling.

[lagos]

well if you have about 4 grand you can swap out the engine with a 3sgte jdm engine from japan doin between 225 and 251 hp stock....put in another 4 grand new turbo intercooler injectors and stand alone and you are easily at 400hp with a 4cylinder turbo and with the power to weight ratio the celica will most likely kick anythings ass if u can get it to grip the road with some nice 215 stickys
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also you can buy a slower cpu and overclock it and save some money. my current cpu is a 2.8ghz overclocked to 3.0ghz  100% stable on stock cooling.
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Art is the man! He knows all the tricks.

Mine is:
HT 2.6 OCed to 3.0
100% stable on custom cooling.
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wooot for overclocking!!! every 2.4-2.8 chip is basically a 3.0gig waititng to get overclocked !

[tomazws]

Software wise, I pick Tiger over XP because of the limited spyware and virus that you always have to be aware of. A banner you accidentally clicked, will leave a "Video Poker" shortcut on your XP desktop every now and then until you find out what's running in the background that keeps placing that god damn icon on your desktop. Other reasons are mainly bias; beautiful GUI, ease of use... etc.

I don't think I should even talk about hardware, I'm totally bias on the Macs.


But as a Mac+PC user, I'm a lot more comfortable using a Mac for work, and a PC ONLY for gaming.

[tomazws]

^ My baby.

[prpnum1]

my mac will smoke my pc both my g5 and my g4. and to the guy that said video projects render faster on pc. uhhhh....negative. my mac will render any of my video projects twice as fast as a pc (and it never crashes in the middle of a project either) My pc only gets used for gaming really and a program called Ultra, which is a vector keying program that will only run on the intel chip. and about the video my G5 boots in approx. 13 sec. but who cares mac announced that they are moving to intel chips anyways.

[lagos]

i have norton antivirus and sometimes ill run addaware and never have issues with spyware or viruses.

macs cool tho... just wish they would cost a lot less to own and upgrade.

[prpnum1]

so true i hate the high price and lack of software but love the stability and performance of it.

[erics1one]

and to the guy that said video projects render faster on pc. uhhhh....negative. my mac will render any of my video projects twice as fast as a pc (and it never crashes in the middle of a project either)
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So all the industry leaders who are rendering on PC servers have been doing it wrong the whole time!?!?! LOL, I'll let Mr. Lucas and all his buddies know.

Man they could have save tons of money by being more time efficient

I guessing the truth to your situation is that your PC sucks. A G4 can smoke it? lol, thats too funny.

[lagos]

IBM makes mac chips and before then it was motorolla.

there is a reason why Intel and AMD are the market leaders for cpus, because they make faster and better chips then ibm or motorolla ever could. even apple finally realized that they cant compete with the performance of x86 architecture, and are going to convert over to it.

[erics1one]

Only thing that stands out to me where Macs are better than PCs is: Virus Protection & Spyware.

Although...
That does not = stability.

[prpnum1]

what industry leaders render on pcs???? Film hasnt really moved to macs yet but television is probably about 75 percent Apple (FCP) and growing.

This post has been edited by prpnum1: Jun 9, 2005 - 6:41 PM

[tomazws]

Pixar does everything on Macs now...

This post has been edited by tomazws: Jun 9, 2005 - 7:01 PM

[lagos]

sorry ... pixar and other companies may use macs or pcs for some of their workstations, but evertyhing gets renedered on an intel server farm running linux. it takes hours to rended one frame of the stuff pixar is doing. they basically have a room with hundrends of intel cpus that are chained together to try to rended single frames faster and faster.

[tomazws]

oh... I read an article about Pixar switched all their computers to Macs because Steve Jobs said so or something

[lagos]

probably some marketing. like apple gave them a bunch of macs for workstations so that they can tell people they use them. all the renedring is done on server farms with tons of linked cpus working on a single frame of animation. it tould take years for any single cpu (mac or pc) to render a movie like the stuff pixar does.

[Rjb23]

For all those that complain about virus's and adware. Your computer is only as secure as you make it. Don't allow active x for one, and don't open emails with attachments #2, and don't accept files from ppl you don't know #3, and don't go to porno sites or other sites loaded with adware, also install sp2 and use mozilla firefox. Install all your security updates.

People say lynux is so secure and that apple is secure but that is only because no one uses those OS's hardly so why right viruses for them and why learn how to hack those systems.

[x_itchy_b_x]

i love my G5. i have a dell also. i just use it for a few games and holding my music on the network. the mac on the other hand is for photo editing and 3d rendering for me.
i think in the half a year ive had my mac its crashed twice.. very stable machine. no system32 running in the background or w/e haha i hate my pc. people just like to hate macs. i dont mind. i never liked them till i got one.

[slipgun]

I work in a computer repair shop, we do macs and pc. I’m a pc guy, the macs are faster on less, period. Its not paper, cause mac processors look slower then pc. Just like AMD is by true numbers slower, a 3000+ is around 2.4 I believe? Yet it still hangs with a p4 3.06 ghz. The new mac os is Unix based, it uses ram better then windows 256 mb in an ibook goes a long way, 256 on a xp system? Think about upgrading today.

[Hanyo]

my reponce to the major move companies using PC's for video rendering.


Yes they do use a PC for video rendering, but they use linx shells to do all the editing. So its kinda like a mac, pretty much what a mac OS is based on.

But there have been stories of people installing xp on a mac and osX on pc.

Anyone try the 64bit windows yet? supposely the blue screen of death is replaced by a red screen of death.

is everyone basing there claims agianst macs on the older macs. Cuz i'm only supporting the new g5.

[erics1one]

For all those that complain about virus's and adware. Your computer is only as secure as you make it.
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Agree, I never have a problem with viruses or spyware, but the average user on a PC encounters 10x the amount of crap they get on MACs.

I work in a computer repair shop, we do macs and pc. I’m a pc guy, the macs are faster on less, period. Its not paper, cause mac processors look slower then pc. Just like AMD is by true numbers slower, a 3000+ is around 2.4 I believe? Yet it still hangs with a p4 3.06 ghz. The new mac os is Unix based, it uses ram better then windows 256 mb in an ibook goes a long way, 256 on a xp system? Think about upgrading today.
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You may know computer repair and what the 'numbers' say...but I'm not sure how much time you spend on the other end.

I use Maya, After Effects, Shake, Final Cut Pro, and Adobe Premiere to create CG Animation typically a short 2-3 minutes clip. All my work is rendered with high ray trace and shadows and it pushes things to the max. I spend 16 hours/week working on Maya 7.0 on my PC, and 4-5 hours/week working on MAC G4s.

...and thank god I don't have a MAC at home. My 20mb Maya files can hardly run on the MACs at school, viewport camera stalls and skips frames, graph editer crashes when a lot is selected, can't view hardware textures real time, and a ton of other stuff just bogs down. My PC at home, smooth and full functioning.

A single frame that would render in 2 minutes on my PC would take 5 minutes on the MAC G4.

Yes, I've used higher end MAC machines before...and yes they do run better real time and are smoother. But rendering times and hardcore processing is still a problem.

[darksecret]

and to the guy that said video projects render faster on pc. uhhhh....negative. my mac will render any of my video projects twice as fast as a pc (and it never crashes in the middle of a project either)
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So all the industry leaders who are rendering on PC servers have been doing it wrong the whole time!?!?! LOL, I'll let Mr. Lucas and all his buddies know.

Man they could have save tons of money by being more time efficient

I guessing the truth to your situation is that your PC sucks. A G4 can smoke it? lol, thats too funny.
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He's probably running a Compaq Prolinea, j/k. I think Sony let Lucas use the Cell Processor on their systems, but they did use Windows (or a form of it).

[erics1one]

I think Sony let Lucas use the Cell Processor on their systems, but they did use Windows (or a form of it).
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Really? Where ya hear that? That would be an interesting read. Would love to see how much faster things are getting done in their developments.

...but yeah...even with that they're gonna be running Linux/Windows, never a MAC.

[lagos]

macs are based on unix and old os that has been around since the 60s ... linux is a based on the ideas of unix but its totally new code. the idea was to make a free version of an os that worked like unix but wasnt as expensive to own.

the reason why linux is so popular with movie companies is becasue its open source code and the os does very well at running a cluster. the people that work for the movie studios can rewrite any part of the operating system and change it to meet their needs. they can also take 100 computers and join them together as one cluster so that they can all share the workload of rendering high quality frames of video.

so you see, linux and mac are really not the same thing, even thos they are based on the ideas of unix.

[darksecret]

I think Sony let Lucas use the Cell Processor on their systems, but they did use Windows (or a form of it).
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Really? Where ya hear that? That would be an interesting read. Would love to see how much faster things are getting done in their developments.

...but yeah...even with that they're gonna be running Linux/Windows, never a MAC.
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I can't remember, but it could have been for Sky Captain also. I seen it on TV they took a bunch of Cell Processors and slapped them in a black box, they said it weighs like 110 lbs.

[prpnum1]

in my post i said that film does not use mac really for anything. the VIDEO world (most television) is probably about 75% apple. including rendering the projects. film/video are two very very different things.