 4th Gen 3S, real or fake? |
 Jul 22, 2005 - 5:28 PM
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Jul 22, 2005 - 5:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Its an overpriced 3rd gen clip. There was no such thing as a 4th gen 3sgte in a MR2.
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Jul 22, 2005 - 11:20 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 14, '05 From Honolulu Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
There is a 4th gen 3sgte. The toyota caldina gt4. st215.
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Jul 22, 2005 - 11:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(hisashi94gtst204 @ Jul 22, 2005 - 11:20 PM) There is a 4th gen 3sgte. The toyota caldina gt4. st215. [right][snapback]315734[/snapback][/right] True, but thats not it. And, the 4th gen was never available in the MR2. This post has been edited by jgreening: Jul 22, 2005 - 11:22 PM -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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Jul 22, 2005 - 11:47 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 14, '05 From Honolulu Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
there was a 4th gen on ebay not too long ago. Like last week or so.
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Jul 23, 2005 - 12:32 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(hisashi94gtst204 @ Jul 22, 2005 - 11:47 PM) there was a 4th gen on ebay not too long ago. Like last week or so. [right][snapback]315738[/snapback][/right] I assume you mean from a Caldina...not an MR2. -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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Jul 25, 2005 - 4:15 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '04 From Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If you ask me. A 4th generation 3sgte never existed.
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Jul 25, 2005 - 5:13 PM
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QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 25, 2005 - 4:15 PM) If you ask me. A 4th generation 3sgte never existed. [right][snapback]316680[/snapback][/right] it did in the Caldina... would be a major pain to swap and wire tho... -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Jul 25, 2005 - 5:35 PM
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QUOTE If you ask me. A 4th generation 3sgte never existed. actually, like the other guys are saying, it DOES exist, as the st-215(caldina) do a google search.  just not in a mr2 -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Jul 25, 2005 - 5:46 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '04 From Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Toyota didn't change anything major in the 3sgte that the Caldina has. To me, its still considered a 3rd generation. If Toyota had added vvti, then it'd be a 4th generation 3sgte.
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Jul 25, 2005 - 5:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 5, '03 From Toronto Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 25, 2005 - 3:46 PM) Toyota didn't change anything major in the 3sgte that the Caldina has. To me, its still considered a 3rd generation. If Toyota had added vvti, then it'd be a 4th generation 3sgte. [right][snapback]316702[/snapback][/right] Why would you want vvti in a turbo application? Any variable valve timing system has too much over lap for forced induction. Adding VVTi would be a step in the wrong direction |
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Jul 25, 2005 - 5:55 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 25, 2005 - 5:46 PM) Toyota didn't change anything major in the 3sgte that the Caldina has. To me, its still considered a 3rd generation. If Toyota had added vvti, then it'd be a 4th generation 3sgte. [right][snapback]316702[/snapback][/right] The exhaust hosing for the turbo and the exhaust manifold is all one piece. The intake manifold is also different as it exits at a different angle. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. EDIT: Forgot that it also has DLI with Coil On Plug, top feed injectors and completely different ECU compared to the generations before. This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Jul 25, 2005 - 6:00 PM --------------------  Project ST204.5 99.88946% complete... |
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Jul 25, 2005 - 5:57 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '04 From Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I didn't say I wanted it. Just said that would be considered a 4th generation 3sgte. Besides that though. A lot of turbo motors are now equiped with some form of variable valve timing. Like the new 4g63's in the EVO's. The Corolla used for rally had a vvt turboed 3sge. Just some examples.
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Jul 25, 2005 - 5:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '04 From Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 25, 2005 - 10:55 PM) QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 25, 2005 - 5:46 PM) Toyota didn't change anything major in the 3sgte that the Caldina has. To me, its still considered a 3rd generation. If Toyota had added vvti, then it'd be a 4th generation 3sgte. [right][snapback]316702[/snapback][/right] The exhaust hosing for the turbo and the exhaust manifold is all one piece. The intake manifold is also different as it exits at a different angle. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. [right][snapback]316705[/snapback][/right] Why don't you name some more changes for me?! |
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Jul 25, 2005 - 6:01 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 25, 2005 - 5:59 PM) QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 25, 2005 - 10:55 PM) QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 25, 2005 - 5:46 PM) Toyota didn't change anything major in the 3sgte that the Caldina has. To me, its still considered a 3rd generation. If Toyota had added vvti, then it'd be a 4th generation 3sgte. [right][snapback]316702[/snapback][/right] The exhaust hosing for the turbo and the exhaust manifold is all one piece. The intake manifold is also different as it exits at a different angle. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. [right][snapback]316705[/snapback][/right] Why don't you name some more changes for me?! [right][snapback]316709[/snapback][/right] I just did. Exhaust hosing and intake manifold. Also, I just edited my post while you were quoting me because I had forgotten about the DLI, COP, Top feed injectors, and Completely different ECU. This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Jul 25, 2005 - 6:02 PM -------------------- Project ST204.5 99.88946% complete... |
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Jul 25, 2005 - 6:08 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '04 From Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 25, 2005 - 11:01 PM) QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 25, 2005 - 5:59 PM) QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 25, 2005 - 10:55 PM) QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 25, 2005 - 5:46 PM) Toyota didn't change anything major in the 3sgte that the Caldina has. To me, its still considered a 3rd generation. If Toyota had added vvti, then it'd be a 4th generation 3sgte. [right][snapback]316702[/snapback][/right] The exhaust hosing for the turbo and the exhaust manifold is all one piece. The intake manifold is also different as it exits at a different angle. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. [right][snapback]316705[/snapback][/right] Why don't you name some more changes for me?! [right][snapback]316709[/snapback][/right] I just did. Exhaust hosing and intake manifold. Also, I just edited my post while you were quoting me because I had forgotten about the DLI, COP, Top feed injectors, and Completely different ECU. [right][snapback]316711[/snapback][/right] Thats great. I'm learning now huh? Its still just a 3rd generation 3sgte to me. What gives it the title of a 4th generation 3sgte? Do those changes make it so much better than the previous? |
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Jul 25, 2005 - 6:16 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Are you kidding me?!?!?! I just told you why it has the title of 4th generation. All other generations were defined by ECU portability. Example: AFM based 2nd gen ECU... will not work with a MAP based 3rd gen motor and vice versa.
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Jul 25, 2005 - 6:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '04 From Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 25, 2005 - 11:16 PM) Are you kidding me?!?!?! I just told you why it has the title of 4th generation. All other generations were defined by ECU portability. Example: AFM based 2nd gen ECU... will not work with a MAP based 3rd gen motor and vice versa. [right][snapback]316720[/snapback][/right] Alright dude, keep your nuts in place. I was wrong ok?! Its always easier to learn something when you say stupid things. Cause then some know it all comes around and explains it in simplier terms. Some people are just better at things than others. |
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Jul 25, 2005 - 6:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
I was just trying to prevent the spread of incorrect information. I realised that you had no idea what you were talking about and was frustrated when you questioned the facts I had already provided you.
When people say things with such certainty, like you did, others that are trying to learn and research can't get the correct facts because of contradicting information. If you don't know something, don't make assumptions. It'll be better for everyone if only the people that know for a fact answer the questions. It would have been better for you to ask what the differences were, instead of giving false information just to be corrected. This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Jul 25, 2005 - 6:39 PM -------------------- Project ST204.5 99.88946% complete... |
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Jul 25, 2005 - 6:44 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '04 From Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Well see. Thats how I learned my informations. From people. Just people. I don't mind being incorrected. Engines aren't my strong points. So what I read around the forums is what I know. Doesn't bother me.
But see. Theres so many people who don't share valueable information though. Which is why bad information gets spread around. I didn't do nothing wrong. Just being human. |
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Jul 25, 2005 - 9:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 25, 2005 - 6:37 PM) I was just trying to prevent the spread of incorrect information. I realised that you had no idea what you were talking about and was frustrated when you questioned the facts I had already provided you. When people say things with such certainty, like you did, others that are trying to learn and research can't get the correct facts because of contradicting information. If you don't know something, don't make assumptions. It'll be better for everyone if only the people that know for a fact answer the questions. It would have been better for you to ask what the differences were, instead of giving false information just to be corrected. [right][snapback]316728[/snapback][/right] Wisdom. QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 25, 2005 - 6:44 PM) Well see. Thats how I learned my informations. From people. Just people. I don't mind being incorrected. Engines aren't my strong points. So what I read around the forums is what I know. Doesn't bother me. But see. Theres so many people who don't share valueable information though. Which is why bad information gets spread around. I didn't do nothing wrong. Just being human. [right][snapback]316733[/snapback][/right] Well, to be frank, when you post something as if you know, people who read your post later may assume its correct and make buying decisions based on misinformation. Thats wrong. Its ok to be wrong. We all get things wrong from time to time. However, when I am not sure of myself, I always try to point that out when I post. In that way, you can still try to be helpful but if someone tries to rely on your statement after you said "I think" then its their problem. Best regards. Jay -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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Jul 26, 2005 - 1:21 PM
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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 25, 2005 - 10:13 PM) QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 25, 2005 - 4:15 PM) If you ask me. A 4th generation 3sgte never existed. [right][snapback]316680[/snapback][/right] it did in the Caldina... would be a major pain to swap and wire tho... [right][snapback]316694[/snapback][/right] As in a lot harder to swap compared to earlier generation 3sgtes? -------------------- |
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Jul 26, 2005 - 1:26 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
QUOTE(tomazws @ Jul 26, 2005 - 1:21 PM) QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 25, 2005 - 10:13 PM) QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 25, 2005 - 4:15 PM) If you ask me. A 4th generation 3sgte never existed. [right][snapback]316680[/snapback][/right] it did in the Caldina... would be a major pain to swap and wire tho... [right][snapback]316694[/snapback][/right] As in a lot harder to swap compared to earlier generation 3sgtes? [right][snapback]316987[/snapback][/right] yeah... it would be a major pain to find wiring diagrams for it, and no one really knows if the motor mounts are the same or not. alot of parts changed on that motor, so finding replacement parts would also be a pain. correct me if im wrong, but isint the caldina the jdm version of our matrix? -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Jul 26, 2005 - 4:05 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '04 From Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 26, 2005 - 2:59 AM) Well, to be frank, when you post something as if you know, people who read your post later may assume its correct and make buying decisions based on misinformation. Thats wrong. Its ok to be wrong. We all get things wrong from time to time. However, when I am not sure of myself, I always try to point that out when I post. In that way, you can still try to be helpful but if someone tries to rely on your statement after you said "I think" then its their problem. Best regards. Jay [right][snapback]316787[/snapback][/right] The forums are ment for misinformation to be corrected and to be discussed. I'll say it again. I didn't do nothing wrong. When I was wrong I admitted it. In a lot of cases. If you ever ask a question or mention something you're not so sure about. All people ever do is poke fun. Why so? Its human nature. "I think" implies being unsure. Logically, anyone should know its not known as a fact. Everyone will take in information their own ways though. If in the end they misinterpret something. Then oh well. Can't do much about it. Just gotta move on. |
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Jul 26, 2005 - 4:07 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '04 From Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 26, 2005 - 6:26 PM) QUOTE(tomazws @ Jul 26, 2005 - 1:21 PM) QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 25, 2005 - 10:13 PM) QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 25, 2005 - 4:15 PM) If you ask me. A 4th generation 3sgte never existed. [right][snapback]316680[/snapback][/right] it did in the Caldina... would be a major pain to swap and wire tho... [right][snapback]316694[/snapback][/right] As in a lot harder to swap compared to earlier generation 3sgtes? [right][snapback]316987[/snapback][/right] yeah... it would be a major pain to find wiring diagrams for it, and no one really knows if the motor mounts are the same or not. alot of parts changed on that motor, so finding replacement parts would also be a pain. correct me if im wrong, but isint the caldina the jdm version of our matrix? [right][snapback]316989[/snapback][/right] Nah. Then Matrix can be seen as a North American version of the Corolla hatchback. |
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Jul 26, 2005 - 4:33 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 26, 2005 - 4:05 PM) QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 26, 2005 - 2:59 AM) Well, to be frank, when you post something as if you know, people who read your post later may assume its correct and make buying decisions based on misinformation. Thats wrong. Its ok to be wrong. We all get things wrong from time to time. However, when I am not sure of myself, I always try to point that out when I post. In that way, you can still try to be helpful but if someone tries to rely on your statement after you said "I think" then its their problem. Best regards. Jay [right][snapback]316787[/snapback][/right] The forums are ment for misinformation to be corrected and to be discussed. I'll say it again. I didn't do nothing wrong. When I was wrong I admitted it. In a lot of cases. If you ever ask a question or mention something you're not so sure about. All people ever do is poke fun. Why so? Its human nature. "I think" implies being unsure. Logically, anyone should know its not known as a fact. Everyone will take in information their own ways though. If in the end they misinterpret something. Then oh well. Can't do much about it. Just gotta move on. [right][snapback]317068[/snapback][/right] The problem is that you didn't say "I think". You stated your misinformation as if it were a fact. -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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Jul 28, 2005 - 12:47 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '04 From Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 26, 2005 - 9:33 PM) QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 26, 2005 - 4:05 PM) QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 26, 2005 - 2:59 AM) Well, to be frank, when you post something as if you know, people who read your post later may assume its correct and make buying decisions based on misinformation. Thats wrong. Its ok to be wrong. We all get things wrong from time to time. However, when I am not sure of myself, I always try to point that out when I post. In that way, you can still try to be helpful but if someone tries to rely on your statement after you said "I think" then its their problem. Best regards. Jay [right][snapback]316787[/snapback][/right] The forums are ment for misinformation to be corrected and to be discussed. I'll say it again. I didn't do nothing wrong. When I was wrong I admitted it. In a lot of cases. If you ever ask a question or mention something you're not so sure about. All people ever do is poke fun. Why so? Its human nature. "I think" implies being unsure. Logically, anyone should know its not known as a fact. Everyone will take in information their own ways though. If in the end they misinterpret something. Then oh well. Can't do much about it. Just gotta move on. [right][snapback]317068[/snapback][/right] The problem is that you didn't say "I think". You stated your misinformation as if it were a fact. [right][snapback]317076[/snapback][/right] Well actually, I said "If you ask me." Which would mean, "to me." To explain, I would be saying "Its not to me, but I if it is to you. Then thats fine." So yeah you're right. I never did say "I think." I also never said I said it. |
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Jul 28, 2005 - 1:02 PM
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To an English major, such as myself, you did something terribly wrong.
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Jul 28, 2005 - 1:07 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '04 From Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
We mostly all did.
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Jul 28, 2005 - 10:18 PM
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QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 26, 2005 - 2:05 PM) QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 26, 2005 - 2:59 AM) Well, to be frank, when you post something as if you know, people who read your post later may assume its correct and make buying decisions based on misinformation. Thats wrong. Its ok to be wrong. We all get things wrong from time to time. However, when I am not sure of myself, I always try to point that out when I post. In that way, you can still try to be helpful but if someone tries to rely on your statement after you said "I think" then its their problem. Best regards. Jay [right][snapback]316787[/snapback][/right] The forums are ment for misinformation to be corrected and to be discussed. I'll say it again. I didn't do nothing wrong. When I was wrong I admitted it. In a lot of cases. If you ever ask a question or mention something you're not so sure about. All people ever do is poke fun. Why so? Its human nature. "I think" implies being unsure. Logically, anyone should know its not known as a fact. Everyone will take in information their own ways though. If in the end they misinterpret something. Then oh well. Can't do much about it. Just gotta move on. [right][snapback]317068[/snapback][/right] actually, when you were wrong, you denied being wrong once before you admitted it. |
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Aug 3, 2005 - 1:15 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '04 From Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(Junior @ Jul 29, 2005 - 3:18 AM) QUOTE(pokemeintheeye @ Jul 26, 2005 - 2:05 PM) QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 26, 2005 - 2:59 AM) Well, to be frank, when you post something as if you know, people who read your post later may assume its correct and make buying decisions based on misinformation. Thats wrong. Its ok to be wrong. We all get things wrong from time to time. However, when I am not sure of myself, I always try to point that out when I post. In that way, you can still try to be helpful but if someone tries to rely on your statement after you said "I think" then its their problem. Best regards. Jay [right][snapback]316787[/snapback][/right] The forums are ment for misinformation to be corrected and to be discussed. I'll say it again. I didn't do nothing wrong. When I was wrong I admitted it. In a lot of cases. If you ever ask a question or mention something you're not so sure about. All people ever do is poke fun. Why so? Its human nature. "I think" implies being unsure. Logically, anyone should know its not known as a fact. Everyone will take in information their own ways though. If in the end they misinterpret something. Then oh well. Can't do much about it. Just gotta move on. [right][snapback]317068[/snapback][/right] actually, when you were wrong, you denied being wrong once before you admitted it. [right][snapback]317924[/snapback][/right] Umm.. Yes of course. That was because I didn't completely acknowledge being wrong. But its the end result and not the inbetween. |
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