3s head on 5s Options

[Boss-Celica]

I got some extra cash laying around just waiting to be spent on my car. So I was thinking on puttting a 3S head on my 5S. Has anyone done this before?

[jgreening]

Its been done. Try a search under 5sgte.

[Consynx]

there's a sticky at MR2oc for this i believe.

[DG_Performance]

i was actually starting to do it and did not have a chance to finish due to me trying to buy property by my house.
i got a fresh rebuilt 3s head ready to bolt on if you want it
i will do 350 shipped for ya! i even got the intake manifold, tvis, throttle body too!
400 shipped and you can have it all!!! you will only need a few more things to get the project done.
i got more than 350 in just parts and machine work done to the head
pm me....i can get a little more detailed.
dg

This post has been edited by DG_Performance: Aug 3, 2005 - 10:37 PM

[Boss-Celica]

i was actually starting to do it and did not have a chance to finish due to me trying to buy property by my house.
i got a fresh rebuilt 3s head ready to bolt on if you want it
i will do 350 shipped for ya!  i even got the intake manifold, tvis, throttle body too!
400 shipped and you can have it all!!!  you will only need a few more things to get the project done.
i got more than 350 in just parts and machine work done to the head
pm me....i can get a little more detailed.
dg
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Sounds nice.

This post has been edited by Boss-Celica: Aug 4, 2005 - 8:27 AM

[DG_Performance]

if you buy it this week i will throw in a new set of head bolts too!
dg

[elvasoshexai]

people have done it on camrys... and apparently late year 5sfe's have smaller water jackets than old 5sfe/3sgte.. not sure if 96 is a newer or older version tho...

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t8316.html

[Punch]

here it is in a nut shell.
get a 3sgte head gasket if all the holes on the 3s gasket match you are fine, if not you will have-to get some water jacket made.
5s-fe block, crank,and 5s forged pistons, all the other parts come from the 3s-gte= rods, belts ect. the most important thing is to cut the 5s crank to fit the 3s rods ($300) or buy 5s forged rods ($700)after that put the motor back together like a normal 3s-gte

This post has been edited by Punch: Aug 23, 2005 - 11:16 PM

[Punch]

any 1 plan to try it ???

[DG_Performance]

I almost did it but had to stop due to other issues.
you pretty much have it down to what needs to be done,,,, and it is not too hard to do it either.
dg

[Punch]

I know its pretty simple if I do it build another motor 5s bottom end $75-$100 junk yard...
3sgte head $100-$300
it can be done for less than $2K

This post has been edited by Punch: Aug 23, 2005 - 11:18 PM

[DG_Performance]

well, i have the fresh rebuilt head and some new head bolts if anyone wants to pick up where i left off and save some time and money. will be posting it on ebay if none of you guys want it.
actually i got a call from someone that might want me to build it for them afterall so i might build it ....but it wont be going in my car?
i will keep you guys posted on what happens.
dg

[Punch]

sounds good, I might do it also!!!

[Punch]

If I do this I will be the first 1 to have a 2.2 3s-gte in a 6gen????
If so, won't I be making history... LOL !!!

This post has been edited by Punch: Aug 23, 2005 - 11:22 PM

[Punch]

will I get a spot on the front page(Featured Rides) if I do it ?????

This post has been edited by Punch: Aug 16, 2005 - 11:46 AM

[blackbullet]

i came across this guy selling a 3s head on a 5s block machined and everything he said it has new head studs and HKS cam gears and it's ready to go. his price was $950 i thought it was a good deal.

[Punch]

If you get it for that, make sure thats all good...

[Boss-Celica]

With a 3s head on a 5s and HKS cams you could easily get 200hp. I rather do this than a 5sfte. More realiable and powerful. NA > Turbo

[hisashi94gtst204]

hasn't the 5sgte already been built by people with mr2's?

[RUNNIN-LOW]

yeah ive been planning on doing the project so yeah i haven't got the money but yeah im thinking crazy about doing it...i might when i get my school loan..been hearing mr2 guys going over 600hp if the head swap.....i want that..would you guys...

[Boss-Celica]

I've got the money to do it, I am just not ready to do it. My 5s only has like 87k on it and I wanna mess with it some more. I'm trying to see how much power I can get out of NA.

[95silvergt]

ok so if i get a 3s head i need to get the rods and have my crank cut and make sure the my 95 5sfe will bolt up to a 3s head and put cams in it and ill will be looking at around 200 hp. how hard is this to do

[presure2]

one thing you guys havent mentioned is how your gonna wire this up and get it to run...it wont run on the 5s ECU, i can tell you that.

[Boss-Celica]

one thing you guys havent mentioned is how your gonna wire this up and get it to run...it wont run on the 5s ECU, i can tell you that.

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That obviusly is true. If a 5s and probably a 3s ECU won't work then what probably would? I am sure some MR2 people have done it and probably found a way to fix that.

[Kwanza26]

Understand that a 5SGTE swap would be no different than a 3SGTE swap. You will have to use the 3SGTE wiring, ecu, and electronics. Also, I will add... the MR2 guys who made 600 some odd horsepower do not do it solely because they have a 5SGTE. Understand that the head only changes the horsepower characteristic... but the power maker is the turbo. If you build up the 5S bottom-end... even the FE head can make that power with boost. Take for example Paradise Racing's drag AE86. 8 second 1/4 mile car with a stock FE head and built bottom-end. A typical 5SGTE build will probably yeild less power but more torque than a regular 3SGTE mostly because of the displacement... the only major difference the head will provide would be the power delivery. The 3SGTE will always have a better top-end because of the 5S block's geometry.

Also know... that sort of power doesn't make a car very streetable or reliable.

[Punch]

so you're telling everyone more displacement more HP???

This post has been edited by Punch: Aug 23, 2005 - 11:35 PM

[Kwanza26]

so you a telling  everyone more displacement more HP???
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More displacement = more potential for power... definately more torque... but not neccesarily more horsepower.

[jgreening]

A typical 5SGTE build will probably yeild less power....  The 3SGTE will always have a better top-end because of the 5S block's geometry.
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Can you explain these two sentences in greater detail please? What are the geometric differences you speak of and why do those differences result in less horsepower for a higher displacement engine?

[Boss-Celica]

Theres no replacement for displacement . Hes basically saying that a 5sgte will yeild less power than a 3sgte because the 5sgte is still really a 5sfe which was built for economy.

[Kwanza26]

A typical 5SGTE build will probably yeild less power....  The 3SGTE will always have a better top-end because of the 5S block's geometry.
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Can you explain these two sentences in greater detail please? What are the geometric differences you speak of and why do those differences result in less horsepower for a higher displacement engine?
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Rod-stroke ratio. per psi of boost... a 5SGTE will make much more torque than a 3SGTE (because of the displacement), but because of it's poor piston dwell (relatively short rods in comparison to its stroke)... it won't make as much top-end power. It's the same reason why you don't see many n/a 5SGE's. The GE head can help change where horsepower peaks in the rpm band... but the engine's design is against top-end power.

If you compare the 5S rods and the 3S rods... they are almost identical in length. Considering the 5S has .2 liters more displacement... this means the 5S bottom-end is not designed with horsepower in mind. Even with a GE head... this characteristic isn't gonna change too much.

Comparatively speaking... take the 7AFE and the 2ZZGE. Both have nearly identical specs in terms of bore/stroke (82mm bore 85mm stroke for the 2ZZ and 81mm bore 85.5mm stroke for the 7A)... but the 2ZZ is a horsepower engine and is designed with rods, again, nearly identical in length to the 7A even though it lacks the stroke the 7A has. Compared to its (2ZZ) stroke, it has enough rod length to maintain good piston dwell and a stroke ratio to maintain top-end torque/power. As for the 7A... it's a very good design and has good performance potential... hence is why you see more n/a 7AGE's than n/a 5SGE's. Even turbocharged... these characteristics stay with the engine. In the 5S's case... n/a 5SGE isn't gonna be worth while. a turbo 5SGE (5SGTE) is the equalizer, since the turbo takes greater advantage of the displacement.

Am I starting to make sense yet? I'm not saying a 5SGTE is a bad build... it's an excellent build for say... a drag engine... but strictly speaking horsepower... a 3SGTE can match it. Hell... when people start talking about how such and such made 600 horses with a 5SGTE... I'll answer... you can make that much with a 5SFTE if you match the 5SGTE mod for mod. It's all about $$$ when it comes to boost...

[Punch]

$$$ talks
the big displacement will give more torque + HP...
Let's do it & go to the Dyno....

[jgreening]

Thanks for the post Kwanza but it sure is couunter intuitive. I find it difficult to believe that more displacement with the same head will yield less overall horsepower. I am going to do some more reading on rod / stroke ratio and piston dwell. Thanks again.

[presure2]

ahhh i LOVE this stuff. EXCELLENT post, kwanza.
now, can you explain a little about what the diffrence is between a 5s based stroker (3s 2.2l) and a 3s based stroker is, ive seen a bunch of diffrent stuff posted on the mr2 boards (mostly chrisk's posts) about how he builds 2.1 and 2.2l strokers based on the customers goals ect..can you break some of that down for us?

[Punch]

this is a massage I got from jim :


3S oil and water pump will fit 5S block. You must use 5S oil cooler and coolant hard lines. 3S rods will fit 5S crank if you get the journals grinded, or use the weaker 5S rods with no modifications You cannot use 3S or 5S pistons, you have to use custom CP or Wiseco pistons available from chrisk on the board.


Well, if you’re using the 5SFE block you need the 5SFE pistons unless you get an overbored set of 3SGTE ones, which would pretty much make them 5SFE pistons. You’ll have to get the crank modified if you use 3SGTE rods as well. That combo should have no problem hitting 300 hp.

A month? Wishful thinking. It took three months to get all machine work done and have all parts in, engine assembled and car fired up. Both rods will fit, upgraded 5S rods are $$$$, 3S rods are cheaper but you'll still spend a bit to grind down the journals on the crank. CP makes stroker pistons that are the size of 5S pistons but with valve reliefs for the 3S head. Depending on the 5S block you may need to have water channels drilled. Etc etc. A good time to consider upgrading the head.



this is jim's web site http://redblues.com/index3.html

[Jdog1385]

A typical 5SGTE build will probably yeild less power....   The 3SGTE will always have a better top-end because of the 5S block's geometry.
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Can you explain these two sentences in greater detail please? What are the geometric differences you speak of and why do those differences result in less horsepower for a higher displacement engine?
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Rod-stroke ratio. per psi of boost... a 5SGTE will make much more torque than a 3SGTE (because of the displacement), but because of it's poor piston dwell (relatively short rods in comparison to its stroke)... it won't make as much top-end power. It's the same reason why you don't see many n/a 5SGE's. The GE head can help change where horsepower peaks in the rpm band... but the engine's design is against top-end power.

If you compare the 5S rods and the 3S rods... they are almost identical in length. Considering the 5S has .2 liters more displacement... this means the 5S bottom-end is not designed with horsepower in mind. Even with a GE head... this characteristic isn't gonna change too much.

Comparatively speaking... take the 7AFE and the 2ZZGE. Both have nearly identical specs in terms of bore/stroke (82mm bore 85mm stroke for the 2ZZ and 81mm bore 85.5mm stroke for the 7A)... but the 2ZZ is a horsepower engine and is designed with rods, again, nearly identical in length to the 7A even though it lacks the stroke the 7A has. Compared to its (2ZZ) stroke, it has enough rod length to maintain good piston dwell and a stroke ratio to maintain top-end torque/power. As for the 7A... it's a very good design and has good performance potential... hence is why you see more n/a 7AGE's than n/a 5SGE's. Even turbocharged... these characteristics stay with the engine. In the 5S's case... n/a 5SGE isn't gonna be worth while. a turbo 5SGE (5SGTE) is the equalizer, since the turbo takes greater advantage of the displacement.

Am I starting to make sense yet? I'm not saying a 5SGTE is a bad build... it's an excellent build for say... a drag engine... but strictly speaking horsepower... a 3SGTE can match it. Hell... when people start talking about how such and such made 600 horses with a 5SGTE... I'll answer... you can make that much with a 5SFTE if you match the 5SGTE mod for mod. It's all about $$$ when it comes to boost...
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that was an awesome explanation kwanza...you should write a book on this stuff...6TH Gen Celicas for Dummies,

This post has been edited by Jdog1385: Aug 19, 2005 - 3:33 PM

[GMan]

> Punch
> '95 GT Hatchback
>If do this will be the frist 1 to have a 2.2 3s-gte in a 6gen????

Nope, been done several times. Sorry to tell U.
I saw one running in Vegas at a meet.
It had a severe traction issues with all the power
it was putting down. :-) Good burn out Queen.

How about This one ?
http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2005/drivers/l_ferrer.html
(not quite stock any more... :-)

Stroker kits, hybrid engines; etc..: Are Not for the faint
of heart, or small of wallet. A lot of issues come up.
What ECU for One, plus wiring...

A stand alone is the Easiest and least expensive in the Long run.
But a killer initial investment.

Might be better to have someone that has already done it, do the work
for you ?

my 02c.

There is a LOT, Really a Lot if info out there.
Just search several boards, MR2, alltrac.net,
Toyomods etc.. or even Google.

Regards;

[Punch]

thew link does not work

[Punch]

I saw that car run a 8.5 at moroso
that car is a full RWD race car!!! that don't count...



This post has been edited by Punch: Aug 22, 2005 - 11:34 PM

[Punch]

I did my home work on that car. It was built for drag; it put 850hp !!!

[Defgeph]

punch any more pics of that car or maybe a website ?

[Punch]

only pic...

[Boss-Celica]

I think I am probably going to do this project but not till winter. Is anyone else going to do this so we can help each other? Might as well seeing how I don't know any other celica owners that did this.

[Punch]

I will do it soon so we can go hand and hand....

[Boss-Celica]

Excellent.

[DG_Performance]

i still got that rebuilt 3s head .... i will let it go for 315 shipped!
pm me if interested
dg

[Kwanza26]

ahhh i LOVE this stuff. EXCELLENT post, kwanza.
now, can you explain a little about what the diffrence is between a 5s based stroker (3s 2.2l) and a 3s based stroker is, ive seen a bunch of diffrent stuff posted on the mr2 boards (mostly chrisk's posts) about how he builds 2.1 and 2.2l strokers based on the customers goals ect..can you break some of that down for us?

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I would only be in a position to make a hypothesis... but my first assumption will be simply... these strokers are all based on forced induction. When forced induction is applied, greater displacement can make more potential power, since more torque is available early on (ala horsepower formula). However, when it comes to an n/a engine, the engine must spin faster in order to make power because it's not being force-fed. The 5S block is limited in how fast it allows induction, based on it's stroke ratio, rod length, and various other little things. Even if you have a head that is a very capable breather, if the bottom-end cannot "suck" in enough air fast enough, no additional power is gonna be made. People should understand... the head does not breathe on its own... in fact... it does very little breathing. Breathing is triggered by the piston travel...

As for a 3S strokers... well, to start... the 3S and 5S blocks have different main journal sizes. I know the JUN 3S stroker crank is basically be a new crank with new rods and pistons (specs are nearly identical to the 5S). The 5S stroker is simply using the 5S bottom-end with new pistons. I'll guess that the 2.1 stroker is using the 5S crank in the 3S block. Because the 3S block doesn't have the same deck height as the 5S, some displacement is lost, hence 2.1 liters. I'm not sure exactly what these guys do... but based on that information... that's my educated guess. I do believe in displacement... but all things considered, 2.0 to 2.2 is small-time and is not gonna show huge results as some may think. I personally feel the 2.0 has many great advantages and is excellent as is... but many may want to do the extra mile for the additional torque (mostly between 2500-4500 rpms)... but it's all give/take.

[Punch]

additional torque on that 3s head with the turbo will make the car have alot of top end gain...
At the same time the car will have low end torque & be fun to drive on the street.

[Boss-Celica]

If I put a 3s head on my 5s but I don't want to turbo it does it matter what the head is from a 3sgte or a 3sge?

[Kwanza26]

additional torque  on that 3s head with the turbo will make the car have alot of top end gain...
At the same time the car will have low end torque  & be fun to drive on the street.
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If I put a 3s head on my 5s but I don't want to turbo it does it matter what the head is from a 3sgte or a 3sge?
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God... it's pointless trying to explain sh!t sometimes... people don't ask questions anymore... merely want confirmation on their dumb pipe dreams...

[Punch]

hope thats not a hit at me Kwanza26 ...
I done thing to cars you would never dream of.....

[Kwanza26]

hope thats not a hit at me Kwanza26 ...
I done thing to cars you would never dream of.....
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sure doesn't show... You're more like the guy who knows a guy who did things I've never dreamed of... but really... what do you know about what I do? I could care less what you think you know or what you've supposedly done... especially when it's always hearsay. It doesn't matter to me... what matters is the knowlegde shown in posts... the kind of off-hand stuff that is *known* to you through "FIRST-HAND"experience... not because you've seen a car or have a friend who knows a friend. What I think doesn't really matter... so take that as you will.

It's a shot at everyone really... They ask questions... they get answers that don't quite support their fantasies... then they either ignore all... or get upset that no-one is *really* helping them. Sad... but why do you figure all of the tech people... the ones with real "FIRST_HAND" knowledge have been quite silent lately?

[Punch]

LOL say what you will people seen what I've done, thats all I need ...
Your not helping me at all!!!

[Boss-Celica]

LOL say what you will people seen  what I've done, thats all I need ...
Your not helping me at all!!!
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True that.

[DeW_H0e_GT]

maybe a how to + parts ????...jus a thought

[Punch]

thats not bad idea...

[Jdog1385]

LOL say what you will people seen what I've done, thats all I need ...
Your not helping me at all!!!

your not letting him help you. obviously you dont know him too well. i mean look at the time he took to write some of those replies. thats some serious knowledge right there that you just put down.

[Punch]

more power to him...

[BLADDER_MASTER]

Eh, I'm actually in agreement with Punch's project. Only because I hear the 5S block is stronger than the 3S block. Got this from MR2OC.com

[Punch]

thanks BLADDER_MASTER you should come by the shop som time is one block down from jamasco...

[Punch]

check out som of the we do...

[BLADDER_MASTER]

Cool. I'll PM you when i'll be able to pass by.

[Punch]

cool

[Punch]

If any on want to do this I also have a stock 3sgte head...PM me if any1 wants it???

[Boss-Celica]

I'll keep you posted if I am still going to do a 5sge.

[Punch]

I can all so get a nonturbo head if you want

[Punch]

let me know if you want it...

[funnys_tears]

i like to know about what if you use a manual 3sge head put on 5sfe automanic block it that matter, and conver into a manual transmission. cuz i use to have 3sge engine but i blew my motor by turbo, i boost around 17 psi it went fast but went i got to second gears i hears a boom so i didn't know until i check. there was oil, green water dripping on the street. i feel i must blew my motor.. aww, anywas my block has a hole and my head is stil good, but my valve are not bend.. so i was thinking about put 3sge head on automanice 5sfe block, and use 3sge transmission on it. is that gonna works

[celi_gt_racer]

awww please tell me english isn't your first language.... you ARE from wisconsin right?

[ice23q]

well let me tell you first hand....just putting a 3s head on a 5s block aint that simple.
ok you guys have mentioned the wiring up of the beast, but really thats the least of
you worries.....
You will need:
3s water pump
3s oil pump
3s idle pully
3s tention pully
timing belt
alternater mount
custom water lines
the list go's on..........

I have just finnished building a 5sgte for my 6gc and its taken me 5 months so far to do it...
It actully went in the car Tuesday.... Keeping in mine its not just a 5sgte.... forged 5s pistons and rods costom made... big 3s cams, springs etc......and a stage 3 port job on the head...

[BBoYRuGGeD]

well let me tell you first hand....just putting a 3s head on a 5s block aint that simple.
ok you guys have mentioned the wiring up of the beast, but really thats the least of
you worries.....
You will need:
3s water pump
3s oil pump
3s idle pully
3s tention pully
timing belt
alternater mount
custom water lines
the list go's on..........

I have just finnished building a 5sgte for my 6gc and its taken me 5 months so far to do it...
It actully went in the car Tuesday.... Keeping in mine its not just a 5sgte.... forged 5s pistons and rods costom made... big 3s cams, springs etc......and a stage 3 port job on the head...

wow u finally got done with that project! congrats! now we finally got a 5SGTE 6gc member on the boards start posting about it bro! lol

bboy

[Punch]

well let me tell you first hand....just putting a 3s head on a 5s block aint that simple.
ok you guys have mentioned the wiring up of the beast, but really thats the least of
you worries.....
You will need:
3s water pump
3s oil pump
3s idle pully
3s tention pully
timing belt
alternater mount
custom water lines
the list go's on..........

I have just finnished building a 5sgte for my 6gc and its taken me 5 months so far to do it...
It actully went in the car Tuesday.... Keeping in mine its not just a 5sgte.... forged 5s pistons and rods costom made... big 3s cams, springs etc......and a stage 3 port job on the head...

all thats cool, thats the same set up thats in my car but I got .60 over 5S pistons, stock head..... deck block 10th.1000 ...

my problem is the oil filter placement ..I'm been puting this together since last year....

[funnys_tears]

[s]yeah this is my 4 langauge i speak hmong, lao, thia, and english,

but anywase
i hope you guy understand i want i am saying...

it nice looking motors,

[scothaniel]

my problem is the oil filter placement ..I'm been puting this together since last year....

I had to throw some tight radius 90's on my oil filter relocator to keep the lines away from the DP. Be sure to port the passenges on the back of the plate to smooth out the flow

[Punch]

port for the waste gate

[ice23q]

here is how i did my oil feed from the block......
this runs from the KN oil filter to a perma-cool oil cooler mounted behind the FM....

[Punch]

yours are a bute!!!! I'm gonna do my own like that.... thats all i could get my hands on so ......
thats what i had to do, but yours is done bad ass!!!! I tilt my hat to you... will you ac comm press have enough space
???

This post has been edited by Punch: Apr 8, 2006 - 3:15 AM

[presure2]

here is how i did my oil feed from the block......
this runs from the KN oil filter to a perma-cool oil cooler mounted behind the FM....

thats a good example of how it SHOULD be done.
great job man!

[Punch]

thats JUST the way it should be done....... where did you get all your fittings & steel lines????

[presure2]

you can get all those AN lines and fittings from summitracing.com

[ice23q]

i know i live in australia and things can get a lil hot down here....BUT... i have done away with my AC for now.....less load on the motor.. its sounds crazy but it could be another 3-4whp that im gonna gain...

Im just having a lil trouble with the plenum design... port matching it to the head and runner size...... as soon as that done this baby can fire up.

VIDEOS>>>>VIDEOS>>>>VIDEOS for sure guys ok.......

[qmoney10457]

Hey, I'm very interested in buying the head!!! Actually I will definately buy it!!! I have a 94 st though and I was wonderin if I would be able to put the head on my 7afe(just a question)? If not, its ok kuz I have a 5sfe engine from a 93 non turbo Mr2 witch u guys say it will fit on right? Well yo DG, just lemme know wut u wanna do kuz I wil buy it.

Quincy

[Punch]

the 3s head will fit the 5s block not the 7a....

[mywhite94celicag...]

ok ice23q, why do u need the
3s water pump
3s oil pump
3s idle pully
3s tention pully

arent they the same? i know the oil pump is the same cause thats what i have on my 5sfe right now. same oil pressure and everything. the only thing that was different was there was on extra bolt hole on the very left side of the entire housing. and thats it. and you said you got .60 oversized 3s pistons? is that the stock bore of the 5s block or did u have to get it bored to match? where did u get the pistons from cause that is the route that i am going. oh and by the way im in the process of the same project as you. but im going to use a normal 3s intake manifold. and also where did get your oil supply for your turbo? did u tap into the block or do u have other means of supply?

This post has been edited by mywhite94celicagt: Apr 14, 2006 - 3:52 PM

[Punch]

I used 5sfe .60 over piston 3egte oil pump, water pump, and all 3sgte pulleys

[ice23q]

The number of teeth on the 5s pumps and the pully behind the harmonic ballance are different... to match the 3sgte cam sprocket you need these.....

Oil feed was taken from the pressure sensor location.....

You will also need a 3sgte water return pipe as the 5s one will hit the starter motor..... i just cut mine and tigged it to sute....

Also the pistons are 5s forged ones from CP.....custom forged rods made here in Australia..... Anything else i can help you with..????

[Punch]

whats the price on them over there???

[trey_135]

SRRY TO BUST BUBBLES HERE BUTS ITS BEEN DONE BEFORE NAD I HAVE A WRITE UP OF IT ALL parts list instalation the owrks im gonna start doing mine here when i scrap my cash up u know

[playr158]

SRRY TO BUST BUBBLES HERE BUTS ITS BEEN DONE BEFORE NAD I HAVE A WRITE UP OF IT ALL parts list instalation the owrks im gonna start doing mine here when i scrap my cash up u know

we all know its been done before

[celi_gt_racer]

and we better respect this guy's motor building capabilities... he has LED UNDER CARIDGE LIGHTS - ya know?

[playr158]

and we better respect this guy's motor building capabilities... he has LED UNDER CARIDGE LIGHTS - ya know?

aite aite....2 insults don't make a compliment lets cut it out...

[ice23q]

SRRY TO BUST BUBBLES HERE BUTS ITS BEEN DONE BEFORE NAD I HAVE A WRITE UP OF IT ALL parts list instalation the owrks im gonna start doing mine here when i scrap my cash up u know

Well im not sorry to bust yours.... you aint even started your build yet and your knocking people down.....

And whats to comment about neons......??????

This could turn real nasty.....

[Boss-Celica]

SRRY TO BUST BUBBLES HERE BUTS ITS BEEN DONE BEFORE NAD I HAVE A WRITE UP OF IT ALL parts list instalation the owrks im gonna start doing mine here when i scrap my cash up u know

Well im not sorry to bust yours.... you aint even started your build yet and your knocking people down.....

And whats to comment about neons......??????

This could turn real nasty.....

What even happen to supporting someone, instead of putting them down. Respect others work if you want to be respected.

[Punch]

help dont hate...
Thats what the site is for !!!

[celi_gt_racer]

you started it dan

[playr158]

you started it dan

actually i never tossed out an insult...i mearly mentioned we already knew it was done before..
...

now back to 5sgtes

ice you got any updates?

[ice23q]

The only update is that im not happy with the guy building the plenum.
Its the only part of the build im waiting on now....then i cant start this bloody thing..... We have had the easter break and now have the Australian Anzac Day break tomorrow..... sooooooooo.... the shop has been closed .......

promiss vids the day i get her going guys.....early next week im shooting for...

[urbandork]

you have insipred me to build one

[celi_gt_racer]

any update?

[Punch]

got my 5sgte started today but i got a big vacum leack so got to take the intake off to fix it...



This post has been edited by Punch: Jul 22, 2006 - 3:00 AM

[ice23q]

Well done Punch... Its been like a race to the moon..... I still dont
have an intake so im gonna make my own now.....

some pics PLEASE..................

Here is what i have done so far....


This post has been edited by ice23q: Jul 23, 2006 - 3:32 AM