94 Gt with 5sfe turbo kit VS 1995 Gsr and RSX-S, which one will win? Options

[D-No-One]

hey there guys...Which one will wins?
i have a 1994 celica Gt with 5sfe turbo kit.
My performance Mods:
* 5sfe turbo kit
* NGK spark plugs wire
* Stage 4 clutch- Master Clutch
* K&N Intake
* Eclipse Gst fuel pump
* 430cc fuel injectors-DENSO
* Tokyo master spark plugs
* Cosmo Fuel regulator (pump at 25psi)
* Apexi super AFC
* turbo boost controller (boost at 7psi)
* TSI Intercooler
* Tunable muffler (custome catback)

1995 acura GSR:
Performance Mods:
* DC header
* Greddy evo full exhaust catback
* Reverse indiglo
* DC intake
* 10mm spark plug wires
* Skunk 2 ecu chip (RPM can rev to 10,000)

2001 AcuraN Rsx-S:
performance mods:
only have greedy air intake..


what are your best guess on who will wins this race?
also we have make some bid..i have bid 200 bucks on mine..gsr and rsx-s also bids the same as mine too...result will be post as soon as my project is done! pictures or video will be post after the race too.. http://ourrydes.point2this.com <----- my project car!! (click on chankie's Rides to see my full project pics)

[Benevolence]

All equal drivers... I would bet the celica(as long as you have some good tires) (1st), GSR (2nd), RSX(3rd).

[jayi12-15psi]

denso makes direct replacements for our injectors? how much did those cost you?

[Inferno]

I'd say it's gonna be extremely close for you and the GSR. The RSX will come in third, I think, but it won't be a blowout, he'll be close behind. But like Benevolence says, make sure you get some good tires.

By the way, Jay, I'd say those might be Supra injectors.

This post has been edited by Inferno: May 8, 2003 - 2:57 PM

[Supersprynt]

The RSX-S is 200hp - stock...im thinking you better know how to drive.

[97sccelica]

QUOTE (Supersprynt @ May 8, 2003 - 12:33 PM)

The RSX-S is 200hp - stock...im thinking you better know how to drive.

yeah but its no faster than a gsr

[Supersprynt]

GSR stock is what 180?

[Swifty]

Are u guys nuts?
The RSX TYPE-S way made to work with its 200hp engine.
its tuned
and it runs 14.8s stock.
2001 RSX Type-S specs
now a GSR would run slower then a Type R
which also runs 14.8s.
The RSX is hailed as the fastest production FF car, the celica and the GSR are not.
now a turbo celica with those mods MIGHT win, as the competition is pretty close and anything COULD happen, but ill bet on the GSR coming 1st the RSX 2nd and the celica 3rd.

[No0bOne]

Increase boost by 5. And you will win. ^^

[Supersprynt]

Like i said before - you better know how to drive, and i wouldnt blow ur engine for 200 - 5psi is a good deal since ur only boostin 7 now

[D-No-One]

hey there guys...RSX-s whp is 175...the gsr whp is 155 and mine? i dont know..hehe..but i will let u guys know my whp as soon as i get my dyno test and tune up my super AFC...

[D-No-One]

QUOTE (jayi12-15psi @ May 8, 2003 - 10:38 AM)

denso makes direct replacements for our injectors? how much did those cost you?

I ask the after market shop here to custom make for me...cost me $570.00 for all four injectors.

[D-No-One]

QUOTE (Swifty @ May 8, 2003 - 3:53 PM)

Are u guys nuts? The RSX TYPE-S way made to work with its 200hp engine. its tuned and it runs 14.8s stock. 2001 RSX Type-S specs now a GSR would run slower then a Type R which also runs 14.8s. The RSX is hailed as the fastest production FF car, the celica and the GSR are not. now a turbo celica with those mods MIGHT win, as the competition is pretty close and anything COULD happen, but ill bet on the GSR coming 1st the RSX 2nd and the celica 3rd.

hey Swifty, those are for pro driver only...i have seen rsx-s runs quarter miles couple times already at Rock Falls in WIS...the most they hit is 15.1 and 15.2 only...and the GSR? i test run it already be4 i put 5sfe turbo...mine is only two cars behine at fourth Gear!

[1bwilson]

you will run them both. I am about to go with the same settup just a bit more agressive and am shooting for 200 hp and about 230 tq at the wheels.

-Bryan-

[No0bOne]

Wat the...an RSX-S is only 142 lb-ft @ 6000 rpm and an Integra type R is only 130 lb-ft @ 7500 rpm?! Plus they run about 14.8s 1/4mile!?!?!? WHAT THE HELL!! I must be close to 13 seconds than.

[scothaniel]

QUOTE

denso makes direct replacements for our injectors? how much did those cost you?

The stock injectors on the 3SGTE are 440 denso's. Just need the matching fuel rail and injector resistors to get it to work with the stock motor.

[zigy]

Hmm I love the CELIs but I would not put any money on it...

I got modified 94 Celi ST "Auto"...with these couple mods

*65 Shot Dry System from ZEX + cuple ZEX accesories
(Auto is the best for Nitrous)
*Injen Intake w/ custom heat shield
*2.5" custom cat-back system w/ c-west mufler
*7afe HP custom Headers
*no cat - straight pipe
*venom injectors
*venom fuel pump
*MSD ignition
*other small electronic stuff
(S-AFC hasn't been working since install...)

My best run was 14.7 Quarter Mile (Great Lakes Dragway)
w/ 15" K-1 wraped on MickeyThompson Drags
and I have about 175 WHP....

That same day I ran my car against friends brand spanking new
RSX - S ; which only has exhaust and cold-air intake, and on
VOLK 17" with Nitto 555 tires...

GUESS WHO WON!!! ....HE DID.... he ran 14.5 QM ......
I couldn't believe it since he has no major mods.....
from 0-60 he took me by like 4 car lengths...but
then I cought up to about 1.5 car length...

WATCH OUT man those ****n ACURAS are fast...... could not believe it....

[Guest_Jason_*]

Umm.. I think your all seriously underestimating the RSX Type S.

The GS-R in this case has no chance, they are 170HP, not 180.

I'm taking into consideration your still running a 5SPD Transmission on your car, whereas the RSX has a 6SPD. My friend has a completely stock RSX Type S 6SPD and he can climb to 140MPH without hesitation. With your Turbo Kit and modifications, you could probably take the RSX-S in mid-race, but since he's not relying on Turbo, I think he's going to walk you off the line and then catch up and walk you at the end.

QUOTE

*5sfe turbo kit * NGK spark plugs wire * Stage 4 clutch- Master Clutch * K&N Intake * Eclipse Gst fuel pump * 430cc fuel injectors-DENSO * Tokyo master spark plugs * Cosmo Fuel regulator (pump at 25psi) * Apexi super AFC * turbo boost controller (boost at 7psi) * TSI Intercooler * Tunable muffler (custome catback)

Considering the Turbo Kit will give you 30HP running 4-5PSI, that'll put you around 170HP, then factor in the 7PSI all together, so maybe 180HP. If you actually took your car to a dyno and ran it to tune your AFC, then I doubt you have it tuned to perfection, if it did any kind of performance gain for you, i'll give you 182HP. Your intake can run you to probably 187HP-190HP, ill give you 190HP for ****s n giggles. Your Fuel Management probably won't do you much for low Boost, as it helps to get you higher boost, so i'm going to keep you at 190HP. Your Intercooler will help, so 200HP would be my estimate.

My friend has a '93 GS-R with a complete Turbo setup and Intercooler, and we pretty much ran the car everytime we added new modifications. Like running the Integra with just the Turbo Setup w/o Intercooler or Boost Controller, then with each of them etc. I don't really know how well our cars handle Turbo Setup's, since we have "economy engines" i've never really paid much attention to people who turbo their 7AFE or 5SFE. This is just an estimate, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, though I think I got ballpark.

This post has been edited by Jason: May 9, 2003 - 12:02 PM

[Supersprynt]

QUOTE (Jason @ May 9, 2003 - 12:06 PM)

The GS-R in this case has no chance, they are 170HP, not 180.

I didnt kno the exact HP, i was givng a roundabout, secondly, its modded. The RSX Type S is stock 200hp, not 155. Its 6 speed, but if ur running 1/4 mile, he may not even get into 5th let alone 6th, as 6th is simply a gear for gas mileage.

Your not going to be able to beat that RSX, it has more power from an N/A engine, ur already battling for 2nd, and even thats going to be tough against a modded GSR.

Another thing, if you think ur running 13's with your celica, i'd think again. The ST205 GT-Four WRC runs a 13.8. And thats the rally version of the GT-Four, with boost over 10.8, thats stock GT-Four boost. The ST185 JDM 3SGTE runs a 15.2.

The RSX is going to win, and as long as u dont screw up, u should hold off the GS-R, but even thats not a sure fire win.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 9, 2003 - 1:07 PM

[jayi12-15psi]

would the larger fuel injectors help the stock performance of a car?

[Supersprynt]

Allows more gas to reach the cylinders, and ultimately allow more gas to be ignited, which allows the engine to work harder, which in turn allows for greater HP, but its not going increase ur HP that significantly.

[Guest_Jason_*]

Oh ****, i completely overlooked the GS-R's mods. Oops, ok so, yea I still hold true with the RSX, but the GS-R is going to give you a run for your money as well.

[Inferno]

The GSR has a chip in it, which is the good. I restate that I think the entire race will be close, but I still think the Celica will win.

[Supersprynt]

The only close part is whose going to be in second, GSR or Celica.

[zigy]

QUOTE (Supersprynt @ May 9, 2003 - 12:12 PM)

The only close part is whose going to be in second, GSR or Celica.

hmmm this time I'll have to give the props to CELI ...

there is still some lag on the turbo with Celi but not as much noticable,

while GS-Rs v-tec doesn't really start screaming till like 5200rpms...

without v-tec those cars are slow, since they got NO freaken torque...


*I think that Celica should pull at least 1 car length by end of the 400m (1/4 mile)

[97sccelica]

QUOTE (zigy @ May 9, 2003 - 12:21 PM)

QUOTE (Supersprynt @ May 9, 2003 - 12:12 PM) The only close part is whose going to be in second, GSR or Celica. hmmm this time I'll have to give the props to CELI ... there is still some lag on the turbo with Celi but not as much noticable, while GS-Rs v-tec doesn't really start screaming till like 5200rpms... without v-tec those cars are slow, since they got NO freaken torque... *I think that Celica should pull at least 1 car length by end of the 400m (1/4 mile)

yeah, vtec makes for no low end torque. i cant stand the idea of not having power till 1/2 way to redline and even then the power isnt there till close to redline. i have been in my friends 94 gsr and it wouldnt really move until 40mph

my neighbor has a 96 gsr and when i raced him a few days ago in my auto st with just an intake, i pulled ahead from the start and at about 30mph he passed me and by 60 he was 2 car lengths ahead until we hit 90mph.

and as for the rsx-s, sure maybe car and driver's people can get 14.8's in it, but few people can drive that well. i went to the track today to watch the cars and hardly anyone there was a good driver, i saw a 6spd 2002 camaro z28 run a 16.1. that car is supposed to be in the low 14's. there was a modded celica gt-s that was in high 16's, bunch a 17 second crx's, 17 second integras. 2003 mustang cobra that ran a 15. a car is only as good as its driver lets it be.

but then a saw a 70's bug that ran 10's all day long.

also, generally when a NA engine is turboed, there is little lag in the system when the turbo is properly sized. the turbo in the burien kit is a good size and with an intercooler burien runs their celica at 12psi.

a member of celica.net with a turboed 96 st beat a new celica gt-s while at 5 psi non intercooled, then when he got an intercooler he ran 10 then 12psi and the last week he had it turbo he ran 25psi. at around 7 psi i believe he said he was on par with mustang gt's

my advice is to practice launching, it would be really bad to break the wheels loose and then have boost kick in. get sticky tires too

dont under estimate the celica. 2.2L of displacement with a turbo and even before the turbo is spooled the engine makes as much if not more torque than the rsx-s and at a lower rpm. i would be more worried about the modded gs-r with the header, catback, and intake. as for its chip, im sure it does more than remove the rev limiter, besides, there is no way any sane person would rev their car to 10,000 rpm with out some serious mods or faith

[Guest_Matthew_*]

i would say that the rsx-s will win. gs-r's will give you a run.


and i dont know who posted that the rsx is the fastest production FF car. Um...dont know where you heard that but I would say Integra Type R or Civic Type R.

and dont underestimate the celica. if you are a good driver you might win.

and just for some info the celica was the first FF car to get under 10 seconds in the 1/4 mile

[Kwanza]

QUOTE (GT2GT4 @ May 10, 2003 - 9:47 AM)

and i dont know who posted that the rsx is the fastest production FF car. Um...dont know where you heard that but I would say Integra Type R or Civic Type R. and just for some info the celica was the first FF car to get under 10 seconds in the 1/4 mile

The RSX (USDM) is the Integra (JDM). The Honda Intregra type-R (JDM) basically a type-R RSX is hailed as the fasted FF car from the factory (I'm talking the newest 2K3 models). It's much faster than the old one (Acura Integra Type-R)... and the Civic type-R, although much lighter, still isn't even up there. The new type-R Integra (RSX type-R) pushed over 200 hp off of a 2.0... making better torque than the old B18C5...

In otherwords, the RSX-S will spank the GSR. Even a modestly modified GSR can probably be taken by a stock RSX-S (that'll be a driver's race). As for the celica... heh, it'll be a driver's race against even the GSR, but I think you'll take him. Against the RSX-S... hmm... you might lose.

The 10 second Celica was an HKS project... and I don't think it was a unibody car, and it's definately not street-legal, so it doesn't count as the fastest FF car from the factory...;]

[Guest_Matthew_*]

i never said from the factory

i was just saying dont underestimate the celica
like i posted

[97sccelica]

QUOTE (Kwanza @ May 10, 2003 - 3:06 PM)

QUOTE (GT2GT4 @ May 10, 2003 - 9:47 AM) and i dont know who posted that the rsx is the fastest production FF car.  Um...dont know where you heard that but I would say Integra Type R or Civic Type R. and just for some info the celica was the first FF car to get under 10 seconds in the 1/4 mile The RSX (USDM) is the Integra (JDM). The Honda Intregra type-R (JDM) basically a type-R RSX is hailed as the fasted FF car from the factory (I'm talking the newest 2K3 models). It's much faster than the old one (Acura Integra Type-R)... and the Civic type-R, although much lighter, still isn't even up there. The new type-R Integra (RSX type-R) pushed over 200 hp off of a 2.0... making better torque than the old B18C5... In otherwords, the RSX-S will spank the GSR. Even a modestly modified GSR can probably be taken by a stock RSX-S (that'll be a driver's race). As for the celica... heh, it'll be a driver's race against even the GSR, but I think you'll take him. Against the RSX-S... hmm... you might lose. The 10 second Celica was an HKS project... and I don't think it was a unibody car, and it's definately not street-legal, so it doesn't count as the fastest FF car from the factory...;]

actually that hks celica did 9 seconds and it is a real celica, they just added the stuff to it to make it a dragster.

it has the same frame and i think body panels on it too

[Guest_Matthew_*]

yea like i said

the first FF car to get UNDER 10 seconds in the 1/4 mile

[Supersprynt]

Ok since this is still goin on, here are some stats:
2001 Integra Type R (US): 195hp, 1/4 mile: 14.8secs 0-60mph: 6.2s
2002 Rsx Type S: 200hp, 0-60: 6.8s
1994 Celica GT: 135hp, 1/4mile: 16.4, 0-60: 8.5s
1996 MR2 Turbo: 200hp, 1/4mile: 14.7, 0-60: 6.2

[hiflytsi]

QUOTE (D-No-One @ May 7, 2003 - 10:43 PM)

1995 acura GSR: Performance Mods: * Reverse indiglo

Thats how the gsr is going to win BAY-BEE!

[zigy]

guess which is the fastest FF N/A production car (from the factory)


2003 Nissan Altima 3.5 (w/o option packages)

*245 hp w/ front wheel drive and front engine

Quarter Mile (1/4) in 14.6 STOCK....


that's for the N/A FF cars....

but if you want TURBO FF.... then I have to give props to Dodge SRT-4

*225 hp (almost as much wheel hp)

Quarter Mile (1/4) in 14.1 STOCK...


This post has been edited by zigy: May 15, 2003 - 3:30 PM

[95STCelica]

QUOTE (hiflytsi @ May 11, 2003 - 2:44 PM)

QUOTE (D-No-One @ May 7, 2003 - 10:43 PM) 1995 acura GSR: Performance Mods: * Reverse indiglo Thats how the gsr is going to win BAY-BEE!

at least 12+ HP..

[Supersprynt]

When is this race going to take place ????

[D-No-One]

QUOTE (Supersprynt @ May 19, 2003 - 12:01 PM)

When is this race going to take place ????

this race will be at Rock Fall in WIS. sometime in June...

[BillyBob]

i clocked 17.0 bone stock auto trans. shoulda took out my spare tire. coulda hit high 16