Speeding Ticket #2, NEED HELP ON THIS ONE... Options

[JoKeRkId613]

Here's the situation: 67MPH on a 40MPH 2-lane one-way street. The cop was pointing a radar gun straight at me. He was real cool. He told me he'll give me a break. He didn't give me a ticket for wreckless driving, not having a seatbelt, illegal tints. Thank God. But I have an unlawful speed ticket to worry about. I just got a ticket about 2 months ago for the same thing. 60MPH on a 35MPH. Except this time, the cop WILL be in court and he said he has all his certs and everything for the radar gun. I told him I didn't realize how fast I was going because my cluster right now only reads in km/h since my original one was messed up and i'm fixing it. i don't know if that'll help me. He said he usually always wins the case and that he will again this time. So I'm saying I plead no contest and say I didn't know how fast I was going but it didn't feel like I was doing 67. My cluster only reads in km/h so I think that should help me out a bit. What do you guys think? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Coomer]

If anything, you'd probably get in more trouble for telling them your speedometer only reads in km/h. I don't think it's legal to swap gauge clusters.

[Digndoug]

Stop speeding.. I win

[forkee]

yea thats not a good idea, lol. at least he let u off easy on the other stuff. u prolly would have had an impounded car if u drove here in CA. just pay it and go slow next time.

[JoKeRkId613]

****! lol. i guess i'll keep the speeding on the highways instead of residencial/business areas. this thing's burning a whole in my pocket. and i was saving towards the silvertop or 3s. sht man. lol. so i should plead no contest? i still havent gone for the first ticket so i dont know what its like. i go for the first ticket the 26th. the cop wont be there so im thinking about saying im not guilty and then for this second one, no contest. what you guys think? help a brother out.

[celicaST]

Stop speeding..  I win
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how about you use the above advice in the future. i dont know how old you are, but sooner or later youll realize its stupid to speed on public roads. 67 in 40 is pretty dangerous man. just pay it and accept the consequences like an adult.

This post has been edited by celicaST: Oct 18, 2005 - 8:58 PM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

You should just fess up and pay for what you've done. I speed, but I'm prepared to pay a ticket if I get one, I don't try to find a way to weasel out of it. I'm sorry, but if you can't pay, then don't speed, man.

[JoKeRkId613]

no offense to the above 2 posts but i'm not about to pay $225 twice... yeah, i was guilty but hey, if you can get out of it, then why pay the whole thing? im 18. yeah, im sure u think im stupid but i've been driving for a good 4 years now every day and i know what i do. i dont know how old you are but im guessing older than me and you think what im saying is crap. trust me, i know how to drive very very well. no accidents here. not that that means much because most of the time it's luck.not only that but i worry about points on my license. and im sorry, but everyone speeds. everyone. if you always go at the exact limit or less, you're a loser and you'll never get anywhere. im working 2 jobs and going to school full-time. i was on my way to the second job. i have reason to speed. but if i ever feel the need for speed again, i'll just play underground. lol. i dunno, i needed a good way to end that...

[soulshadow]

argh, how can you guys get so many speeding tickets?
I can't figure out why people would do 60 in a 30 mph zone.
Get it straight, your not gonna get away everytime.
Perhaps its time you guys switched over to a radar dectetor.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Joker, I didn't mean to call you stupid. I'm sorry you felt I did. $225 is a lot for a ticket. None of mine were over $150. I've had 3 now. One for 80 in a 50 and "speed competition," one for 50 in a 35, and one for 85 in a 70. I know what it's like to get them, I'm just saying you should take responsibility for them. Be a responsible person. I had no idea you were so young, but that gives you even more of a responsibility to act right here. You need to be a good ambassador for your age so maybe cops will stop hassling young guys so much. I'm only 20, so I'm in the same boat as you with getting hassled.

EDIT: After I got my radar detector, I haven't gotten a signal ticket. Then again, I've been a lot better at picking and choosing my "speeding" spots too.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Oct 18, 2005 - 9:34 PM

[JoKeRkId613]

^it's very simple. you do something illegal and bam. you see the sirens, they ask for your license, registration, insurance and next thing you know, you're signing some white paper, they give you the yellow carbon copy and you're in court within the next few weeks. j/k. im trying to lighten the mood a bit. i dunno man, i just love to hear the little 7a give it all it's got at high rpms. next thing you know, you're over 60. actually, this second ticket, i really had no idea how fast i was going till he told me cuz im using the st205 cluster now and it reads in km/h. and hopefully i'll be getting a radar soon. they sound cool when you start up the car.

[JoKeRkId613]

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It's cool man, I apologize for misunderstanding. It's all good.

[shid]

What the HELL are you doing going 70 in a 40 with no seat belt on?

Just pay the ticket. 225 isn't a lot, my tickets have all been over 300. When you show up on court on the 26th you will be in a long line of people. When you say: "not guilty" he will go: ok, then I'll see you on court on.. etc. and set a trial date. Or he'll listen to you, and probably tell you to F off and pay the fine and not even offer traffic school.

"No accidents here" doesn't mean squat. You'll get in one if you continue driving this irresponsibly, and when you do, you'll fly straight through the windshield, your head will break open on the concrete and you'll never post here again.

Also, unless you're either lying about driving for four years, or lying about your age. Or, even better, you were driving illegally when you were 14! How fun, what a history of irresponsibility.

no offense to the above 2 posts but i'm not about to pay $225 twice... yeah, i was guilty but hey, if you can get out of it, then why pay the whole thing? im 18.

Why didn't you stop speeding like an idiot after the first ticket? Or for christs sake, at least use your seatbelt for the next time you get pulled over? Pay both of them, and cry about it.

Finally, if he gave you the whole "I win all my cases ****" it means you probably gave him the idea that you were going to take him to court by

A) Being rude
B) Trying to weasel your way out of it 100x times
C) Being arrogant

If these took place in the same city, expect to lose the first case as well. It's not like these people don't talk to each other.

This post has been edited by shid: Oct 18, 2005 - 10:06 PM

[bloodrain]

TAKE IT TO THE TICKET CLINIC, $60, no court, no points, gg

[yungazzdriver]

lol man damn i got a ticket aswell for speed competition with our very own boss-celica but this was a whiiiiile ago so this 6gc man turned left on a street and i kept goin straight and boom next thing you klnow i was being aske for liscense and registration well i dont have a liscense so it was all double i was 15 years old it was a year ago almost and well i got off luckily because i was a minor in adult court but it was gonna be 500+ dollars because i was goint 75 in 45 and the point is i got off and lucky me but i learned my lesson and now i speed in spots i know are "police safe"

[Galcobar]

The km/h excuse won't wash. While it's questionable, you have a working speedometre. Canadians drive their cars in the states all the time and we can figure out how fast to go.

Besides which, with all the other stuff you didn't get nailed with -- and the seatbelt's a big one to avoid -- you're already in the lucky zone. When this officer shows up and says the driver he pulled over has a history of speeding -- guaranteed he'll look it up beforehand -- and this driver was already given multiple breaks, you'll be lucky if the judge doesn't add to your penalty.

You're lucky you weren't driving in my province. Every 20 km/h over the limit is a higher fine, and more than 40 km/h becomes excessive speed, which increase the points on your licence. You'd be looking at close to $1000 in fines here on what you've described (seatbelt, tint, 43 km/h over the limit, etc).

Just be an adult. You chose to break the law, knowing it could cost you both your life and your wallet. Take responsibility for your actions already.

[1900WattCelica]

What the HELL are you doing going 70 in a 40 with no seat belt on?

Just pay the ticket. 225 isn't a lot, my tickets have all been over 300. When you show up on court on the 26th you will be in a long line of people. When you say: "not guilty" he will go: ok, then I'll see you on court on.. etc. and set a trial date. Or he'll listen to you, and probably tell you to F off and pay the fine and not even offer traffic school.

"No accidents here" doesn't mean squat. You'll get in one if you continue driving this irresponsibly, and when you do, you'll fly straight through the windshield, your head will break open on the concrete and you'll never post here again.

Also, unless you're either lying about driving for four years, or lying about your age. Or, even better, you were driving illegally when you were 14! How fun, what a history of irresponsibility.

no offense to the above 2 posts but i'm not about to pay $225 twice... yeah, i was guilty but hey, if you can get out of it, then why pay the whole thing? im 18.

Why didn't you stop speeding like an idiot after the first ticket? Or for christs sake, at least use your seatbelt for the next time you get pulled over? Pay both of them, and cry about it.

Finally, if he gave you the whole "I win all my cases ****" it means you probably gave him the idea that you were going to take him to court by

A) Being rude
B) Trying to weasel your way out of it 100x times
C) Being arrogant

If these took place in the same city, expect to lose the first case as well. It's not like these people don't talk to each other.
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Man thats some good stuff^ You could learn a thing or 2 from this guy.

Yeah..you will be suprised the first time you go to court. It isnt like Judge Judy, its not Law and Order. In the pretrial apperance you come in, take a number (hand in your citation), and you say one of 3 things when you step in front.

No Contest - most common option. Fine will most likely stay the same and points will most likely be reduced/dropped.

Guilty - Same as not showing up for the trial and just sending in your money to the proper address

Not Guilty - They schedule you a court date.

^Nowhere up there is there anything about telling them your story. Unless they have a city/county attorney who is taking care of things. Then you can tell your story, but most likely they will not be interested. They will offer you a plea bargain, much like No Contest above.

You can ask jgreening for more details. Hes a lawyer Trust me, its nothing to get nervous about.

[snadman]

Besides the first hearing is always just to plead innocence or guilt. You plead inncoent then they schedule another court day where you plead your case and the cop shows up. Cop doesn't have to show for the first one.

BTW, don't speed. What if some kid runs into the street? At 35mph you could have stopped...at 60 you can't...then you just smacked some kid with your Celica. I wouldn't want to go to jail at 18 for vehicular manslaughter.

[JoKeRkId613]

What the HELL are you doing going 70 in a 40 with no seat belt on?

Just pay the ticket. 225 isn't a lot, my tickets have all been over 300. When you show up on court on the 26th you will be in a long line of people. When you say: "not guilty" he will go: ok, then I'll see you on court on.. etc. and set a trial date. Or he'll listen to you, and probably tell you to F off and pay the fine and not even offer traffic school.

"No accidents here" doesn't mean squat. You'll get in one if you continue driving this irresponsibly, and when you do, you'll fly straight through the windshield, your head will break open on the concrete and you'll never post here again.

Also, unless you're either lying about driving for four years, or lying about your age. Or, even better, you were driving illegally when you were 14! How fun, what a history of irresponsibility.

Why didn't you stop speeding like an idiot after the first ticket? Or for christs sake, at least use your seatbelt for the next time you get pulled over? Pay both of them, and cry about it.

Finally, if he gave you the whole "I win all my cases ****" it means you probably gave him the idea that you were going to take him to court by

A) Being rude
B) Trying to weasel your way out of it 100x times
C) Being arrogant

If these took place in the same city, expect to lose the first case as well. It's not like these people don't talk to each other.
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I'm guessing you're a mom by the way you're talking. I also wish I had your job because $225 is a lot to me. I got the tickets in different cities, by the way. And yeah, I've been driving since I was 14. I started driving legally when I turned 15. Why? You're going to tell my mom or something? Why didn't I stop speeding like an idiot after the first ticket? The same reason you didn't, according to your profile: "Speeding Ticket Red (2 recieved ". And no, I wasn't doing any of your little multiple choice response things. So next time you feel like being a smart ass or just treat another member like they're some kind of idiot or something, check yourself first or just comment on somebody else. I just didn't like how you were treating me like an idiot when you(at the time) had the same number of speeding tickets as me. I was expecting advice from others that have been to court, not for you to treat me like a 15 year old trying to be the fast and the furious. I was trying to get to my other job on time. So unless you drive the exact speed limit at all times or less, it's considered speeding. I don't know about where you're at but 5mph over the limit here is an "unlawful speed" ticket. I think it's only a warning but it's still considered speeding. You can post back if you want but I won't really care to post back because I said what I had to say.

[1900WattCelica]

I'm guessing you're a mom by the way you're talking. I also wish I had your job because $225 is a lot to me. I got the tickets in different cities, by the way. And yeah, I've been driving since I was 14. I started driving legally when I turned 15. Why? You're going to tell my mom or something? Why didn't I stop speeding like an idiot after the first ticket? The same reason you didn't, according to your profile: "Speeding Ticket Red (2 recieved ". And no, I wasn't doing any of your little multiple choice response things. So next time you feel like being a smart ass or just treat another member like they're some kind of idiot or something, check yourself first or just comment on somebody else. I just didn't like how you were treating me like an idiot when you(at the time) had the same number of speeding tickets as me. I was expecting advice from others that have been to court, not for you to treat me like a 15 year old trying to be the fast and the furious. I was trying to get to my other job on time. So unless you drive the exact speed limit at all times or less, it's considered speeding. I don't know about where you're at but 5mph over the limit here is an "unlawful speed" ticket. I think it's only a warning but it's still considered speeding. You can post back if you want but I won't really care to post back because I said what I had to say.
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lol...I think shid is a dude too. Just chill man. If 200 bucks or w/e is too much then make your defiiniton of speeding the 5 to 10 over standard that is usually acceptable.

[presure2]

god you kids just dont get it.
bash on each other, and the post gets closed.
simple.

have a nice day.

[1900WattCelica]

no no no...this is a good learning experience for those who havent gotten a ticket yet or wish to contest one. Good stuff man.

[dstrbcelica]

shut up and pay the fines.

-dstrb

[Tweek]

Wow, back off everyone and give him a break. I don't think the post said "How big of an idiot do you think I am". Speeding is retarded. Don't get that wrong, I think its retarded because the speed limits are ridiculous. 60 in a 30? I've gotten similar and the road was perfectly straight in the middle of no where and cops jumped out of bushes to get me. They make it low so that they can generate revenue without raising taxes. Its corrupt.

Anyways, I don't know how that cop knew you were going to court but you don't want to even hint to that fact to the cop. You want to be forgetable when you get pulled over.

Do not use the odometer story, you could possibly just get a fix-it ticket or more fines. Remember that when you go to court the judge has the option to raise your fine.

The cop can tell you he has all the paperwork in the world. But that is all heresay. He has to prove it by bringing it to court. And everytime I have been to court for speeding (which has been ALOT) you plead not guilty and then you wait until everyone else is done, then you have your case right then.

Also, ALWAYS ask to see the radar gun with the speed you were going on it. If he can't show that to you, you can say you don't believe him and he was giving you a hard time. Some states are required to let you go if the cop does not show that to you when you ask for it. (FYI, maryland is not one of those states according to my judge)

Keep in mind that if you are going for a ticket of 60 in a 30 and say you did not know that you were going that fast, the judge is going to nail you. Obviously 60 does not feel like 30 and he knows it.

From my example, the cop jumped out from the bushes and stood in the middle of the street. I explained how fast my car was traveling per second at the speed he said I was traveling, added in reactive time for him to jump out in front of me, rate of travel, and reaction time. Then how far I was away when he started (because of visabilty). Then asked the cop if I was able to easily stop for him without running him over. If I was traveling at an unreasonable speed, I would have killed the pig. Since I did not, and was able to stop without problems of squeeling tires or swerving I could not have been going at an unreasonable speed.

Also, dress up for court. Be polite. Do not accuse the cop of lying directly. Give a probable reason for his inaccuracy. Read some books about it, you can even get the cops testimony thrown out if your good. Good luck, fight it.

[JoKeRkId613]

see, that's more of what i expected to get from this post. thanks tweek. thats somewhatthe same situation too. the cop was off to the side in bushed and jumped into my lane. i stopped pretty good so i guess i can try to use that one. i feel a little bit better now. how can you prove how far you were when you started stopping and all? theres no proof of the exact measurements.

[Tweek]

In my situation, I was kind of rolling hills and there was no way he could see my car until I got to the top. I went back to the scene (I drove there every day to work) and took some pictures. It was a bit unique, so you'd just have to see what you can work with for your situation.

You should go to your local library. I found several books about fighting speeding tickets there that were very helpful. It told you what to say in court, the order of testimony and what the cop was allowed to use. For example the cop should not be allowed to read from notes. He is a eye witness and if he has no independant recollection of the events and needs notes you can point that out and ask to see exactly what he wrote. Then ask him questions that are not on there to establish that he really doesn't recall everything. Anything you can do to establish doubt. After the cop testifies and does not present into evidence his records of certification you can dismiss his entire testimony of certification as heresay and they have to throw his findings out.

Just do as much research as you can and don't let them intimidate you. His testimony is based on techinicalities, so thats what you have to disprove. If it is your word against his, you will lose. Its traffic court though, and the judge may let some procedural things go out of order. The judge will appreciate your efforts and consider your fight more if you play by their rules instead of just saying the cop lied and you should let me go.

Don't be scared to take the fight to em, you'll find it can be fun to beat them at their own game.

[shid]

treat another member like they're some kind of idiot or something, check yourself first or just comment on somebody else.

You weren't wearing your seat belt. Nuf said. Also, mine we're on freeways where I couldn't runover little children and bambi.

You act like you're a 15 year old punk, you're going to get treated like you're an idiot.

Also, use paragraphs. Thanks.

This post wasn't about calling you an idiot tho, it's supposed to be about you REALIZING you did sometbhing stupid, and you should at least wear your god damn seat belt from now on when you do something stupid. You're talking like you think you didn't do anything wrong.

Jesus, I try and tell you you shouldn't splatter your brains on the sidewalk, and you call me a mom? I hope everyone on these boards doesn't want you to die

This post has been edited by shid: Oct 19, 2005 - 10:40 PM

[Tweek]

Not everyone has the same opinion on the laws as you do Shid. Sure he should wear a seatbelt, but if the cop thought it was so dangerous in his situation why would'nt he give him a ticket for it?

Would'nt speeding on a highway be more dangerous because the speeds are'nt 30 they are like 65, so to be speeding and get pulled over for that much you got to be doing like 85. That seatbelt is'nt going to do much for you at that speed.

Besides he is asking legitimate questions and was just responding to all the negative comments to him when you failed to give him any real advice on what he was asking.

[shid]

Not everyone has the same opinion on the laws as you do Shid. Sure he should wear a seatbelt, but if the cop thought it was so dangerous in his situation why would'nt he give him a ticket for it?

Would'nt speeding on a highway be more dangerous because the speeds are'nt 30 they are like 65, so to be speeding and get pulled over for that much you got to be doing like 85. That seatbelt is'nt going to do much for you at that speed.

Besides he is asking legitimate questions and was just responding to all the negative comments to him when you failed to give him any real advice on what he was asking.
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I told him to pay the tickets, thats advice. I told him he was unlikely to get out of either of them, thats advice. I told him he shouldn't go double the posted speed limit, because he'll get pulled over. That's advice.

When roads are 30 mph, there's usually a reason unless it's a speed trap by the freeway, etc. When you go 15 over on the freeway, you're in a less hazardess sitation than when you're going double the posted speed limit on a city street.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

It's been my experiance, that if you start something that controversial, or you act rude, you'd better expect crap from people. There's limits to everything, but the biggest issue here is learning and conservation of life. Some of these guys might say it a little meaner than needed, but that doesn't mean what they say isn't important. Joker, you need to lisson to these guys and slow down and wear a seatbelt. Fess up for what you've done, and just be a man about it. I have faith that you can more than be a mature adult about this and handle it in a respectful way and learn your lesson. If you hit someone, that would be horrable, you must admit that. Totalling a Celica should also be a crime, lol. But if you decide to continue your current believes and behavoirs, make sure your not going to wear the seat beat either, because the world could use a few less idiots. Your young, I was young and dumb too at sometime.

[darksecret]

Try living in my town, the regular speed limit is 20mph, except in front of the elementry school (during start and end times) it's 25mph, and yes everyone under the age of 50 speeds in this town including the chief of police.

Either way on subject Tweek said it best there isn't much you can do at this time and in Florida the law says the cop doesn't have to show their radar (just like you can refuse to let them search your car, only you can't hide behind a warrant, usually the same rules apply if they deny they lie), be careful next time and being in Florida get a radar detector before any other mod cops will pull you for the fun of it there.

Your best plea is the i'm young and i'm dumb, since both tickets are close together you don't have to worry about them checking your record it'll be a month before the first actually makes it to the DMV to become official.

You have to ignore shid sometimes, he can get a little excited, but he's right about the seat belt, regardless if your doing 35 or 85 you can die just the same (i've wrecked one time doing a hundred and came out with a seat belt rash, but the same type of car I drove was doing half my speed, wrecked, and the driver and passenger died) but they do save more lives than they cost.

[JoKeRkId613]

shid, i'll use paragraphs whenever i want. you're being a smartass right now. so im guessing you tell everyone of your friends that "talk lyk dis" to correct their spelling/grammar. i dont use spell check when posting here nor do i worry about my paragraphs because people understand it just fine. nobody's had a problem with my 1 paragraph. and i was getting off the florida turnpike(highway). that exit is in butt-**** egypt so no kids were gonna pop out or anything. i understand what you're saying. it's not like im hauling ass on the emergency lane on a highway going around a bend not knowing if there's a stranded car around the bend. so know your role and shut your mouth. take care kid, don't hurt yourself.

[presure2]

joker, you just dont get it, do you?
STOP THE BICKERING.

[shid]

You have to ignore shid sometimes, he can get a little excited,
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Do I know you? You joined 5 months ago, and I've rarely posted since then, so no. Your "friendly jab" is neither friendly nor warrented, please kindly cease.

so know your role and shut your mouth.  take care kid, don't hurt yourself.

As someone who has already made mistakes in the past, done stupid things, and learned their lessons, it is the role of an elder in any society to try and educate the youths who do stupid things and are in the process of those mistakes so they won't make as bad ones.

You're not going to stop speeding until you get more tickets and have to pay the financial cost of speeding.

But maybe, just maybe, you'll wear your seatbelt if we all get on your case about it.

And when you DO get into an accident (because you are neither a safe driver, nor an expierenced one until you have gotten into an accident situation) hopefully you will be wearing your seatbelt, and we won't have to read about you shattering your windshield with your skull.

Your situation is akin to juggling a loaded gun, being caught, and then trying to get out of it. It's not smart to juggle a loaded gun, as it could hurt you or others. Maybe you shouldn't have had the gun loaded to begin with, maybe you shouldn't be juggling the gun at all, even if you're a 85 year old WWII, Korea and Vietnam vet that has held a gun since they were 6.

This post has been edited by shid: Oct 20, 2005 - 7:38 PM

[Defgeph]

and with that we close this thread.


thanks
Good luck in court