Possable delete: WTB: 3sge exhaust manifold or other header, I thought this might be kept for referance on 5s header options Options

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I'm wanting to get a 3sge manifold for my 5s. I've seen one on ebay, but it was kinda rusted up, and the guy wanted $100 plus shipping. I don't see a problem paying this for one, but it has to be nice condition. Any ideas guys?

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This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Dec 18, 2005 - 1:29 AM

[celiracer]

Umm i think there is a 3sge engine being sold in here. I don't know if same engine as yours. But heres the link
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=15500

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Umm i think there is a 3sge engine being sold in here. I don't know if same engine as yours. But heres the link
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=15500
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Although I am considering putting a 3sge engine in the car, I don't have the money or time for that right now. I'm mostly just interested in the exhaust manifold.

[azian_advanced]

does it have to be JDM? because the 4th gen GT-S here have the 3sge in them. i'm not sure if you US guys have them too. check your local wrecker yards for them.
i just threw my old head complete with intake manifold away last week. it was sitting in my garage for so long when i didn't even have my 4th gen anymore... didn't think anyone would want it.

or wait, are you referring to the exhaust manifold?

This post has been edited by azian_advanced: Nov 3, 2005 - 9:56 AM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I'm wanting exhaust. Getting one for the 5s is like putting a header on it because it flows a lot better. I know there's guys out there who have done this. I'm not sure if the US 4th gen Celica's 3sge manifold would work.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

bump
Just info on were to get one of these would be nice.

[Batman722]

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those are a few in the "rides" section. I did the search for GT and header

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Yeah, I've done a search in member rides for GT and header before just to see what was the most popular. Maybe I should pm some of these guys to see if I can buy their headers from them.

[Batman722]

Yeah, I've done a search in member rides for GT and header before just to see what was the most popular.  Maybe I should pm some of these guys to see if I can buy their headers from them.
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why don't you just buy one new ? and either install yourself or have a place do it for you ? I don't understand I posted this up because you were looking for information on which header would work with the 5s, well there are a few guys you can PM and find out.

[Phat_99CeliGT]

i had a pacesetter. sold it a lil wile ago.

i was thinking about getiing another one though.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Yeah, I've done a search in member rides for GT and header before just to see what was the most popular.  Maybe I should pm some of these guys to see if I can buy their headers from them.
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why don't you just buy one new ? and either install yourself or have a place do it for you ? I don't understand I posted this up because you were looking for information on which header would work with the 5s, well there are a few guys you can PM and find out.
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No no, you missunderstand what I'm doing here. I know what headers will work. I was just seeing if someone knew were I could get a 3sge manifold. I know they bolt up, with some modification. I also know that I can use other ones too, but I'd like to use the 4-2-1 3sge. I could pay $200 for an mr2 header from ebay. But that's an ebay header, and it takes more modification. The reason I said, "or any other header for the 5s," is because if someone has a pacesetter or mr2 header that they don't want, I'll buy it from them. I've been doing research on here a long time to see what will actually work on 5s Celicas. My last post was also in a bit of confusion over your post of all the different headers. I wasn't sure why you showed me all them unless you were suggesting that, "These are the people with headers, see if you can get one of their's from them." I understand what you were doing now.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

bump

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

last bump. If no one replys, I'm buying the OBX mr2 from ebay.

[FSX_Celica94GT]

the 2nd to 4th gen 3sge all use the same header

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

the 2nd to 4th gen 3sge all use the same header

So, you think I could pick one up from a junk yard?

[FSX_Celica94GT]

if u can find a 3sge in there sure, go for it

they all look like that

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Yeah, I figured it might be hard to find a 3sge in a junk yard. I'll spend next week looking.

[Galcobar]

try car-part.com -- found plenty

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

try car-part.com -- found plenty

Wow, I've never seen that site before. It's nice. I will get the 3sge from a 88-89 3sge if it can be confermed that it is the same manifold that is on the newer Euro 3sge's. I don't want to get something that's not going to help out any.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Come on guys, I know there's people out there who know this. I just haff to get there attention some how. Is the 86-89 manifold the same as the newer 3sge manifold on gains in performance?

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I just lost an ebay auction for a sschrome mr2 header. Anyone have anymore advice? I'm getting frustrated.

[FSX_Celica94GT]

theres an st202 hks header and dp set for sale on ebay

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

theres an st202 hks header and dp set for sale on ebay

Were? I've tride searching for 3sge and st202, I didn't see it under either.

EDIT: I found it. Will that really clear my alternater? It doesn't look much like it.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Nov 28, 2005 - 7:34 PM

[Galcobar]

STAY AWAY from ssautochrome.

If you're wondering why, search this board and read the last few pages of the thread.

BTW, on the 3SGE manifold: A Celicatech.com member recently installed a 3SGE from an ST202 into his fourth-gen GTS, and while the ST202 came with a tubular manifold, he says his old 3SGE had a log-style manifold similar to the 5SFE.

Pity, there goes a cheap and plentiful manifold upgrade.

This post has been edited by Galcobar: Nov 29, 2005 - 2:55 AM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

STAY AWAY from ssautochrome.

If you're wondering why, search this board and read the last few pages of the thread.

BTW, on the 3SGE manifold: A Celicatech.com member recently installed a 3SGE from an ST202 into his fourth-gen GTS, and while the ST202 came with a tubular manifold, he says his old 3SGE had a log-style manifold similar to the 5SFE.

Pity, there goes a cheap and plentiful manifold upgrade.

I gutted my cat so I figure there's a good bit of turbulance in there right now. I just want something to clean it up. I can reweld the SS when it cracks. I'd much rather have a 3sge manifold, especially from a st202. I just can't find one anywere. What do you mean by, "Pity, there goes a cheap and plentiful manifold upgrade."

[Galcobar]

As in there are plenty of 3SGE manifolds out of fourth-gen Celicas hanging around -- but they're log-style manifolds instead of the tubular ones from the later 3SGEs that would represent a real upgrade.

[FSX_Celica94GT]

As in there are plenty of 3SGE manifolds out of fourth-gen Celicas hanging around -- but they're log-style manifolds instead of the tubular ones from the later 3SGEs that would represent a real upgrade.

how do you know which gen of 3sge the manifold is off of just by looking at it?

[FSX_Celica94GT]

8019731040 type that in ebay

[creis]

^ I cant see that header fitting, just does not look like it will line up to me.

[FSX_Celica94GT]

i kno, but its for an mr2

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

It won't fit without modifications, but that just to the downpipe. They'll work, it's just not a bolt up though.

[Galcobar]

As I understand the issues with using manifolds or headers designed for MR2s, there's two problems that commonly crop up.

One is a conflict with the alternator bracket -- it's not in the same spot on MR2 5SFEs.

The other is the conflict with the suspension cross-member. Everybody I've read about has either cut and rewelded the lower section of the header to a different angle, or cut a notch in the cross-member to accommodate the header.

Mind you, it's a 4-1 with short primaries, not exactly a design that will emphasize the low-end torque that is the 5SFE's strength.

FSX -- manifold design differences are quite striking. A tubular manifold has separate tubes that join together. A log-style manifold is one piece of metal with four holes on one side and one hole on the other.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I'd like to see a picture of an mr2 5sfe to see how it's actually different. It doesn't make since that the cross member would be very different. All 5sfe's have the same mounting points. A little notch couldn't hurt much. I'm sick of not having a header on my car. It's embarrassing, so is the speed of this thing.

[Galcobar]

IT wouldn't make sense that a rear suspension cross-member on a RWD car with a rear-mounted engine would be different from the front suspension cross-member of a FWD car?

You want a header, a good one, properly designed for the 5SFE to maximize what little performance characteristics it has? US$330 for a Genie, or $457 for a Hotshot (Hotshot also comes with the flex pipe). Unless you have to meet emissions standards, both of these can be installed with no modifications. If you do have to meet emissions standards, cut a catalytic converter into your mid-pipe, where your stock resonator goes.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

IT wouldn't make sense that a rear suspension cross-member on a RWD car with a rear-mounted engine would be different from the front suspension cross-member of a FWD car?

You want a header, a good one, properly designed for the 5SFE to maximize what little performance characteristics it has? US$330 for a Genie, or $457 for a Hotshot (Hotshot also comes with the flex pipe). Unless you have to meet emissions standards, both of these can be installed with no modifications. If you do have to meet emissions standards, cut a catalytic converter into your mid-pipe, where your stock resonator goes.

I didn't say it wouldn't be different, just not that different. They have to be similar due to the engines mounting in the same places, don't they? I haven't seen Genie headers anywere. I'm also a little poor right now, so money is always an issue to me. Emitions is never an issue. I don't care about doing some modifications to make it fit. I'm exploring trying to get an H22 header to fit. Well, I get a 3sge, 3sfe, or 5sfe exhaust manifold or header type exit and plate, and cut that about 2 inches after the exit from the motor, and cut the h22 headers in the same spot, then weld together at this point. I can get H22 4-2-1 header for pretty cheap. I'm not set on this. I have to know how long the distance is between the exit ports and under engine of both motors and compare. Also have to compare dirrection of manifolds on each car. There might be a way.

[scothaniel]

I have a spare ST202 - 3SGE stock manifold. Its the 4-2-1 design. I dont have the mid-pipe section, but I do have the stock supports. Make offer.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I have a spare ST202 - 3SGE stock manifold. Its the 4-2-1 design. I dont have the mid-pipe section, but I do have the stock supports. Make offer.

Can I see a picture of it? I'll know what kind of offer to make you if I know what it looks like.

[scothaniel]

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

That's a decent one. Man, I really wish you had that bottem part. I have a feeling that going to be a pain in the butt to get ahold of. I'd pay a good bit more than I'm willing to pay without it. What do you think is a fair price for it? That thing doesn't have any place for o2's either.

[scothaniel]

yeah, it would be easier to make an adapter for it, rather then searching for the stock mid-pipe.

I was thinking $40 or so + shipping.

Scott

[Galcobar]

I find myself wondering if the mid-pipe out of a fourth-gen Celica GTS with the first revision of the 3SGE would work --

An 88 GTS mid-pipe:

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

That there is a custom midpipe. I think I can make it cheaper than I can buy it. If I happen on one for cheap, I'll buy it too.

[presure2]

guy is this thread over yet??

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

guy is this thread over yet??

Guy? Feel free to call me Nate or Bulldog. And no, it's not over yet. I don't really want it over untill I've actually settled the deal with scothaniel. I'm kind of worried because I haven't heard from him in a little while. I may still be in the market.

[scothaniel]

Sorry - its been a real busy day. I'm still here. I'll get the header down and weighed tomorrow.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Sorry - its been a real busy day. I'm still here. I'll get the header down and weighed tomorrow.

Good deal man. If you don't mind me asking, why don't you have the Y pipe? If you put a turbo on, it seems like you would have gotten rid of that too.

[scothaniel]

Simply at the mercy of the importer! I've bought 3 JDM motors / clips and none have included the mid-pipes.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Simply at the mercy of the importer! I've bought 3 JDM motors / clips and none have included the mid-pipes.

You have these motors sitting around somewere?

[scothaniel]

Parts of them are still sitting around.

1st one (ST205) went into my all-trac.

2nd one (3rd gen 3SGE) went into my wife's Celica.

3rd one (3rd gen 3SGE) was for parts after the head on #2 went out.

Hence my sig: