What engine am I??? Options

[Nigel]

Hi
Could someone give me a stright answer to this question

i bought my car a year ago under a GT but my mate who works for Toyota says its not got the GT engine in it.
I said to my mate it says 2.0L but he says its a carollo engine. Is he taking the p*ss.

The info write in the chassis is:
ST202 3S-FE 2.0 16V

In the book it says GT 2.0 is 173bhp.

[creis]

take a pic of the engine bay and post it here if you want an exact anser, but it soulds like its just a 3sfe, which I think is basicly the head off a 3sge on the block of a 5sfe. and 173bhp is about right for that.

Carollo, as in a John Carollo engine?

This post has been edited by creis: Dec 3, 2005 - 8:06 AM

[Nigel]

Do you know what the weight is for my car???

[creis]

um probably around 2600 lbs

[Junior]

take a pic of the engine bay and post it here if you want an exact anser, but it soulds like its just a 3sfe, which I think is basicly the head off a 3sge on the block of a 5sfe. and 173bhp is about right for that.

Carollo, as in a John Carollo engine?

not even close to 173bhp. it produces less than the 5sfe.

[afroman]

3sfe is the F head on a S block i think its the same head as the 5SFE and the block of The 3sge. just like it said 2.0l instead of 2.2l
-Aaron-

[djr97]

something is wrong here!?

if it is a uk or jdm celica as i suppose, it should have the 2.0 litre 3s-ge engine with around 170hp.

the 3s-fe is the 2.0 litre engine from camry, carina... and many others... but it was never used in a celica (correct me if i'm wrong)! has less hp than the 3s-ge, i think around 130!

This post has been edited by djr97: Dec 3, 2005 - 12:57 PM

[BLADDER_MASTER]

Aside from the headers, does your engine look something like this?

[WannabeGT4]

So much incorrect information in this thread it's not even funny.

It's all right here:
http://www.6gc.net/index.php?action=information&itu=3

It is not "basicly" a G head on a 5S Block
Yes, 3SFEs were used in Celicas.

[afroman]

so am i incorrect in saying its an F head on an 3S block or am i completely wrong and should go shoot my self.
-Aaron-

[WannabeGT4]

so am i incorrect in saying its an F head on an 3S block or am i completely wrong and should go shoot my self.
-Aaron-

Well when you break down the engine code that is right. 3S is the block type F is the head type and E is Electronic fuel injection. Wether or not the 5SFE and 3SFE head are exactly the same and the 3SFE and 3SGE blocks are the same I couldn't tell you, I've never had them side by side. I'd venture to say that they are very similar but they'll probably have their little differences.

[afroman]

cool thanks for the info. i was just wondering.
-Aaron-

[soven]

ss1 3sfe around 140bhp . You will get more answers to your engine here: http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/phpbb2...ab28bc194f5b938

This post has been edited by soven: Dec 5, 2005 - 1:26 AM

[Dr_Tweak]

so am i incorrect in saying its an F head on an 3S block or am i completely wrong and should go shoot my self.
-Aaron-

Well when you break down the engine code that is right. 3S is the block type F is the head type and E is Electronic fuel injection. Wether or not the 5SFE and 3SFE head are exactly the same and the 3SFE and 3SGE blocks are the same I couldn't tell you, I've never had them side by side. I'd venture to say that they are very similar but they'll probably have their little differences.

Though I've never had them side by side either, I can almost garantee you that they're different. For example, there's a difference in the 7A and the 4A heads, and a big difference between the 4AFE and 4AGE bottom ends, a BIG difference. Even though they are both "A" engines.

-Doc

[Galcobar]

A large difference between the F-head used on the 3S and F-head used on the 5S -- 0.2L

[WannabeGT4]

The head doesn't have anything to do with the .2L displacement difference.
= displacement

[Mr_E]

It's not a GT if it has a 3S-FE. It's a JDM SS-I.

You did know it was an import.

[Nigel]

It's all right here:
http://www.6gc.net/index.php?action=information&itu=3

This is what i read so i thought it was a 173bhp car. I put my foot down 0-60 was like not being funny 6-7 seconds.
It is a import i think from Japan.
Ill put a pick of the engine in a min.

http://www.badongo.com/vid.php?file=celica...6_celica.wmv&s=

above is a link i tried to go as quick as poss
the first one is 0-60 at the begining i had to turn to car as i was going left. And the other scene was 0-50 i ran out of road but that looks pretty quick. Also i was holdin the camcorda and ground was wet.

Maybe it could help.

This post has been edited by Nigel: Dec 6, 2005 - 1:53 PM

[devilsden97]

The head doesn't have anything to do with the .2L displacement difference.
= displacement

WOOT FOR MATH! lol

[Nigel]

Everything under the bonnet is stock apart from the filter.

[WannabeGT4]

Yes sir you have a 3SFE. It should also say 3SFE on the timing belt cover.

This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Dec 6, 2005 - 10:43 AM

[Nigel]

So that would mean??? GT or SS-1
Ive uploaded some video on the first page. 0-60 also 0-50.

[WannabeGT4]

ST202s were all either SS-I, SS-II, or SS-III

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I thought... The SS-II came with the 3rd gen 3SGE and had an option for the 4th gen 3S-GE a.k.a. Beams. Every SS-III got a Beams 3S-GE. That's been my understanding but I haven't really been able to confirm that.

If all that is correct it'd be safe to assume you have a SS-I

P.S. Does anyone now the production dates of the SS-I, SS-II and SS-III?

This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Dec 6, 2005 - 4:34 PM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

So that would mean??? GT or SS-1
Ive uploaded some video on the first page. 0-60 also 0-50.

LOL, that's faster than the turbo ST that Doggy posted a short time ago. All you have is an intake too. I didn't think those 3sfe's were much to speak of. I could be wrong about that being faster, but it's at least as fast.

[Nigel]

After looking im guessing it ither:
2 - FWD - 3S-GE / 3S-FE without AWS (JDM SS-I, SS-II, and SS-III)

3 - FWD - 3S-FE with AWS (European GT / JDM SS-I)

3 MORE questions

1 what does AWS stand for?
2 What does SS stand for?
3 I having a JDM SS better?? like a VTEC is there something i can so to it that on other engines you cant??

thanks for your help guys.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

After looking im guessing it ither:
2 - FWD - 3S-GE / 3S-FE without AWS (JDM SS-I, SS-II, and SS-III)

3 - FWD - 3S-FE with AWS (European GT / JDM SS-I)

3 MORE questions

1 what does AWS stand for?
2 What does SS stand for?
3 I having a JDM SS better?? like a VTEC is there something i can so to it that on other engines you cant??

thanks for your help guys.

AWS stands for all wheel steering. A very neat little option that I wish I had. It's hasn't ever been popular in the states. They had it on some cars in the 90s, but not as many now.

SS stands for Super Strut, I think. It's the way your suspension is different and better than other Celica's.

For the VTEC thing, you don't have it with the 3sfe. You'll need a 3sge for that. Preferably Beams.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Your engine is a 3SFE, because thats definately not the way the 3SGE of any generation looks. Looks like a 5SFE minus the different heat shield and logo on the intake manifold. So probably an SS-I.

[WannabeGT4]

Your engine is a 3SFE, because thats definately not the way the 3SGE of any generation looks. Looks like a 5SFE minus the different heat shield and logo on the intake manifold. So probably an SS-I.

I thought we already figured that out?

This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Dec 6, 2005 - 6:03 PM

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Sorry, I didn't totally read the post closely enough. Thats what I get for making a quick response.

[soven]

SS1 do not have superstrut.

Conclusion:
Yes your engine is a 3sfe
Your car is a SS1
You have a non superstrut suspension
You have around 140bhp
You do not have AWS
Do not compare your models to the one in the US
You should compare it to the SS2 or SS3. Yours is a ss1 which is the slowest among them.
SS2 has superstrut as an option while ss3s all came with them
Goto the CelicaUK forums where you will find topics on your car

[Mr_E]

SS1 do not have superstrut.

Conclusion:
Yes your engine is a 3sfe
Your car is a SS1
You have a non superstrut suspension
You have around 140bhp
You do not have AWS
Do not compare your models to the one in the US
You should compare it to the SS2 or SS3. Yours is a ss1 which is the slowest among them.
SS2 has superstrut as an option while ss3s all came with them
Goto the CelicaUK forums where you will find topics on your car

what he said.

[Nigel]

soven
'98 SS-I Hatchback

Your car is a SS1
You have a non superstrut suspension
You have around 140bhp
You do not have AWS

So why is it SS?? Anything you can do to make it faster?

[soven]

It is SS because that is how the japs decided to name it. ss1 , ss2, ss3 . Dont compare it to the US versions.

ss1 being the economy model with the 3s-fe engine. To make it faster? Nos, turbo or engine swap . the 3sge (180bhp) found on ss2 and ss3 or the 3sgte found in the st205. There is also the beams engine which came in some ss3 and in mr2s.

There is not much , if any gains to be made on this engine with addon mods like pod filter , exhaust etc. it is still going to be slow.

[Consynx]

The head doesn't have anything to do with the .2L displacement difference.
= displacement

lol, i love how easy this equation is too.

pie*radius^2 = Area of a circle(using bore to do this, but since bore is DIAMETER divide by 2^2
then to make it a CYLINDER
Area of Circle * height(stroke)
then to get all the cylinders, that * # of Cylinders.

sorry, that eq just made me laugh.

[WannabeGT4]

LOL that's the first picture I found for the equation of dispalcement. I forgot I could use ^ for exponents and I didn't know how to do superscript so I just used that pic from wikipedia. I think the equation was written that way so that all someone has to do is plug in the numbers and type it in their calculator. Otherwise people might not figure out that you have to divide bore/diameter first before you start the rest of the equation.