So Im rebuilding a beams motor...., Who wants to touch me. :P Options

[roman]

Hi folks.

A few of you guys here seem pretty interested in the beams motor.

Well I am rebuilding one at the moment.

I know quite a lot about these engines, as I have been researching for the last year or so, trying to find out information here and there.

I have the motor in bits at the moment, my hands are tied until I get my bottom end bearings.

So if you have any questions, or would like to see any pics etc, let me know.

My motor has a port & polished head (Which was done by an unknown company in Japan) heat wrapped TOMs extractrors, Apexi intake, cusco paddle clutch, light weight cusco flywheel, balanced crank/rods/pistons/flywheel, and the cat has been replaced with a straight through pipe.

Hopefully it will make in the region of 210-220 flywheel hp, or about 180-185 hp at the wheels.

And BTW it will be going into a 1050kg MR2.

This post has been edited by roman: Dec 7, 2005 - 2:56 AM

[roman]

heres a pic looking inside the plenum.
note the factory velocity stacks.






A pic of the block. Look where the block bulges on the side closest to the camera, inbetween the 1st and second bores from the left... This is the oil gallery used to feed the VVTI mechanism


Crank caps

crank

crank2

picture of the head (Notice the cam angle sensor, down the left hand end of the intake cam (closest to the camera)

head pic 2
Note the solenoid or what ever on top of the head, near the RHS of the closest (intake) camshaft.

New piston


Here is a picture of the porting that has been done.
picutre of the porting


rods

valves


Here are some pics showing the VVTI mechanism.
Notice the oil feed holes on both the end of the camshaft, and inside the cam pulley. It uses oil pressure to rotate the camshaft relative to the pulley.

VVTI mechanism
Note the hole coming out the side of the cam shaft... There is one on the other side too.

VVTI mechanism
Note the corresponding oil gallery, on the inside of the cam pulley.

VVTI mechanism

And here's the car that it will be going into. (eventually!)



Its a 1990 JDM SW20, with the hard top, 5 speed, and gen 2 3sge powered.
It goes pretty well at the moment, as it is rather light. Its the bare basics model, pretty much.
So it should go pretty well with a fresh beams motor pushing it along.


Anyway, if there is anything that anyone would like to know, just let me know.

This post has been edited by roman: Dec 7, 2005 - 2:55 AM

[BBoYRuGGeD]

wow, i like! i got the pleasure of seeing a beams motor inside an mr2 (matter o' fact there were 2 of 'em) few months back. these things fly. so so nice!

bboy

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Wow, that's cool. I'm glad to see more of these being done. Hopefully they'll develop some real aftermarket support one of these days. Those rods look a little small for a built motor.

[roman]

Yep, it should be a fun car at the end of it all.

I agree, the rods do look a little on the skinny side!

I had the pleasure of driving a 1999 beams powered SW20 a few months ago, that had only 20,000kms on the clock.

It looked brand spanking new.

It was being sold, and I sweet talked my way into getting a ride/drive.

I havent driven a celica with a beams motor, but Im sure they go well.

I've also driven a 4wd caldina GT, which has the 190hp automatic version of the beams engine.
It wasnt amazing, but it went bloody well for a 1400kg car with 4 wheel drive and A/T!









Quad throttles from the TRD Altezza motor bolt straight on to the redtop.

TRD Altezza cams wont work however, but rods and pistons will, apparently. But 13:1 compression ratio is a bit unreasonable for a street car IMO.

[soven]

send it this way if you find no use of it

j/k . Looks good

[_rz_]

Love your car. Good luck on your project

[roman]

Thanks for the comments.

Its been a long time coming so far, and Ive still got a while to go yet.

But its all starting to come together now, hopefully it will be up and running early next year.

[roman]

send it this way if you find no use of it

j/k . Looks good

I'd put you in my will to get the motor if I die, but then you'd just kill me.

Yeah Ive spent a lot so far, Ive had the block over bored half a millimeter, the head completely stripped down and rebuilt. Brand new oversized pistons, rings, belts, gaskets, filters etc.

Parts arent cheap, and they have to come from Japan.

But on the plus side, it will be virtually a brand new motor when I'm done.

Will hopefully be worth the stress/money/effort.

[CelicaZR]

Wow! That is amazing Roman
I would love to have one of these baby,
but money is not on my side at the moment
Good luck with the project.
Keep us updated on the result

[Magic]

Interesting Project!!!
Any idea about the pistons brand and size?About the rods brand?
Do you planning using ECU?
We have many projects in Cyprus with VVT-i Beams engine!!

I v seen 195 whp without touching engines internals so you should expect something more than 185whp!

Good luck with it and keep us posted

[roman]

Wow, 195whp?! Do you know what mods were done?

I say 185whp, because I want to be realistic about the gains. A lot of people think "Sweet, 15hp with a pod filter on"

I think 180hp at the wheels should be the minimum, and I'd be happy with that. Any more, and I'd be really happy.

Im interested in talking to any other beams owners, about mods etc.

Has anyone dynoed their beams motor before?

I am using standard rods and pistons, everything will be standard for now, except for what is listed.

I have a set of quad throttles from a silvertop 4age, that I will possibly adapt to the motor a bit later on.... probably at the same time as an ECU upgrade, and a cam grind or replacement cams.


I know of a blacktop 3sge in Australia, that is making 270hp at the wheels!
However it's modded to hell and back.

This post has been edited by roman: Dec 7, 2005 - 3:14 PM

[Magic]

Yes!!!Actually i v been in the dyno day that a VVT-i had 197whp!!
Mods for the specific one was...(as fas as i remember)

AEM Air filter
E-Manage ECU
Kakimoto Exaust

maikl had 187whp running on many mods,check out his profile for the mods he is using.

http://www.6gc.net/index.php?action=members&itu=1026

A friend of me he is building his Celica ST202 VVT-i Beams for turbo using Turbonetics Turbine!!He will be on the road very soon!!
About the cams i think you should go with custom,i dont know a company that is making cams for that engine
If you are interested in ECU have a look on the Brashboy website,if you send them an email they will reply to you after few days cuz of translation problem,they selling Power FC for ST202 VVT-i beams!

www.brashboy.net

For blacktop vvti you can find many products,even a complete modify engine block as i remember from TRD!!

[roman]

Awesome! I didnt know that there was a powerFC for the redtop engine.

That will probably be one of my next purchases, when Ive got the cash.

[roman]

P.S. If anyone has ICQ and would like to discuss redtops etc, my ICQ# is 823-6667.

[jdg371]

that looks awesome.. and 187wph from it is awesome, props to maikl

we need to have more of this type of swaps.. maybe I should just keep my 5G and swap this bad boy in there hehehe

[roman]

Yeah, Id be stoked to have 187whp.

Hopefully mine will turn out somewhere close to that.

[ILuvMyCelica95]

oooooh wow this thread is awesome!

[celicaST]

oooooh wow this thread is awesome!

ya it is its going to get huge in a hurry. that mr2 is so clean, thats going to be so fun to drive when its finished!

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

These BEAMS motors looks like an absolute blast....I love the sound and power delivery of a high revving N/A motor just as much if not more than i like turbo.

Good luck with the build, i want to see some videos of that in action when its all done.

[roman]

oooooh wow this thread is awesome!

Thanks.
You're guys enthusiasm is encouraging and contagious, it makes me want to work harder, and get it done faster.

If anyone wants to see any pics of anything specifically, just let me know.

ya it is its going to get huge in a hurry. that mr2 is so clean, thats going to be so fun to drive when its finished!

Yeah my car has been a lot of hard work so far, I repainted it myself last summer. It was off the road for about 5 months, because I:
A: made sure to fix every dent, stone chip etc.
B: Pulled the car completely to bits to paint... almost everywher
C: Never knew anything about panel beating/painting etc. before I started.

My engine rebuild is a bit the same, I'm taking it slow, going to be triple checking everything, making sure everything is meticulously clean, etc. etc.
Its a bit of a daunting project though, biggest thing that Ive done before this is.... Well I dont even know. Just heaps of little jobs, nothing this major before! But it will be an exciting learning experience.

These BEAMS motors looks like an absolute blast....I love the sound and power delivery of a high revving N/A motor just as much if not more than i like turbo.
Good luck with the build, i want to see some videos of that in action when its all done.

Yeah, it should be heaps of fun.
Ive spent quite a bit so far, and at times Ive wondered why I didnt just get a turbo, but hopefully the results will be worth it.
At times I think... "Hell yeah! NA rules!" and at other times I think "Doh! should have got a turbo motor. "
But its too late to change my mind now, its been too long in the making to back out now.

And yes, the sound of exposed quad throttles at 8000rpm is just damn sexy. :drool:
Not that Ive got exposed quad throttles, but you know what I mean.

This post has been edited by roman: Dec 7, 2005 - 10:30 PM

[celicaST]

im just curious, do you have a 6g? only 6g owners are allowed on this forum you know... but i guess a beams owner is ok i guess lol

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

im just curious, do you have a 6g? only 6g owners are allowed on this forum you know... but i guess a beams owner is ok i guess lol

Anyone is allowed here. Your topics and discussions must be 6gc orriented.

[celicaST]

im just curious, do you have a 6g? only 6g owners are allowed on this forum you know... but i guess a beams owner is ok i guess lol

Anyone is allowed here. Your topics and discussions must be 6gc orriented.

i was joking

[roman]

im just curious, do you have a 6g? only 6g owners are allowed on this forum you know... but i guess a beams owner is ok i guess lol

No I dont. If you want, I can ask a mod to delete this thread for you?

[celicaST]

im just curious, do you have a 6g? only 6g owners are allowed on this forum you know... but i guess a beams owner is ok i guess lol

No I dont. If you want, I can ask a mod to delete this thread for you?

lol, no i think youre cool to stay on

[Magic]

I think there is an owner here with Beams VVTi (SS3) and he had the 197whp....anyway the engine has the potential for this kind of power so dont worry.
maikl cannot join the internet so often but if you need to ask him anythim pm so i can give you his phone number..

Did you seen my post for the Beams Exhaust Manifold by Beams? Have a look on it...

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...xhaust+manifold

[roman]

Yeah, thats a nice looking exhaust manifold!

I'd be keen, but Ive already got a set of what are alledgedly TOMS extractors. I cant confirm that they are, but they definitely arent the factory extractors!

One thing that I DONT have... is the factory intake piping.

Ive only got up until the throttle body, and thats it.

I need to mount my AFM somewhere. I see on Outsiders engine, that he has an HKS adapter for his AFM. Does anyone know where I can get one of these? It looks like exactly what I need!

This post has been edited by roman: Dec 8, 2005 - 3:39 AM

[soulshadow]

TRD Altezza cams wont work however, but rods and pistons will, apparently. But 13:1 compression ratio is a bit unreasonable for a street car IMO.

Does Higher Compression mean Higher Revs as well?

[celicaST]

TRD Altezza cams wont work however, but rods and pistons will, apparently. But 13:1 compression ratio is a bit unreasonable for a street car IMO.

Does Higher Compression mean Higher Revs as well?

no not necessarily, although high compression gas engines typically rev high. diesel on the other hand, obviously have very high compression and rev low.

[roman]

Higher compression ratio gives you better economy, and also more power!

However the downside is that the higher the compression ratio, the higher the octane of gas that you need to use.

The highest compression ratio that you would really want to run on high octane pump gas (98 octane) would be 11:1 or maybe 11.5:1, 12:1 if you are brave.

You would have to run a 13:1 compression ratio engine on race gas, or it would destroy itself very very quickly.

[maikl]

187whp was without my new ex manifolds and exhaust and crank pulley.... my new dyno is 194whp and 161 of torque )))

[nik]

187whp was without my new ex manifolds and exhaust and crank pulley.... my new dyno is 194whp and 161 of torque )))

those are some nice n/a numbers

[My2Celi]

I wish i can do all that stuff...

[soven]

slightly OT: argh i want this car sooo bad

http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auction...19781&key=49862

[crismillencolin]

[quote name='roman' date='Dec 7, 2005 - 3:12 PM' post='364481']
Wow, 195whp?! Do you know what mods were done?

I say 185whp, because I want to be realistic about the gains. A lot of people think "Sweet, 15hp with a pod filter on"

I think 180hp at the wheels should be the minimum, and I'd be happy with that. Any more, and I'd be really happy.

ok am gonna ask a "noob" question - are american cars underpowered ? over here a ss2 celica 3sge i think is supposed to be roughyl 178 bhp standard . And your doing all this work to get roughly the same , well ok a bit more power ? am i missing something ? or just being silly !!??

[Kwanza26]

ok am gonna ask a "noob" question - are american cars underpowered ? over here a ss2 celica 3sge i think is supposed to be roughyl 178 bhp standard . And your doing all this work to get roughly the same , well ok a bit more power ? am i missing something ? or just being silly !!??

We got different engines... 2.2 liter 130-135hp and 1.8 liter 110-115 hp...

[roman]

ok am gonna ask a "noob" question - are american cars underpowered ? over here a ss2 celica 3sge i think is supposed to be roughyl 178 bhp standard . And your doing all this work to get roughly the same , well ok a bit more power ? am i missing something ? or just being silly !!??

First of all, if you take a look over there <---------

You will notice that I'm not American.

New Zealand is the land of Japanese hand me downs, probably 90% of the cars on our roads are jap imports.
That we get really cheap, being so close to Japan.

The 178hp engine is the gen 3 3sge, and is the amount of power that the car makes at the FLYWHEEL.

approx. 15% of this power is lost through the transmission, as it takes power to turn the gears, run the pumps, alternator, etc.

So when I say that I hope for 180 wheel hp, this would be about 210hp at the flywheel.

Yes it is a lot of work for not a huge amount of power, but half of the point of this project is to increase my knowledge, and have a fun project to do.
As well as the fact that the redtop has a broader spread of power thanks to the VVTI, so even if it made only 178hp, it would still be notably faster than a gen 3 engine.

I wouldnt be surprised to see more than 180whp, but Im trying not to be too optimistic, as a lot of people tend to be, and end up very dissapointed when they get to the dyno.

This post has been edited by roman: Dec 21, 2005 - 9:51 PM

[roman]

187whp was without my new ex manifolds and exhaust and crank pulley.... my new dyno is 194whp and 161 of torque )))

I dont suppose you have any dyno plots online?

I would be very interested in seeing the curves etc.

[JoKeRkId613]

just a lil off topic question but someone mentioned it... whats the highest safe compression ration on a 7afe. im turboing it so i just want to know. thanks. 11:1?

[roman]

If you are turboing it, then you wouldnt want high compression anyway.... Most turbo cars hang around the 8:1 or 9:1 mark.

Running high compression limits the amount of boost that you can run.

[roman]

Ive been doing a 'mock up' build over the last few days, to make sure I have all of the nuts/bolts/etc. etc. etc, so I am good to go when my bearings arrive. 8)

Hence the lack of crank. :?



I also put a few coats of clear over the rocker cover and intake manifold, to satisfy my magpie syndrome (lust for shiny things!) and for a few extra points with the ladies. :lol:

[maikl]

are those the stock ex manifolds ? btw i am going to get a foto of the dyno with the 185.6whp and sent it to you because i have no scanner but i thing it will be ok

[maikl]

oh....! and i was wondering what exhaust pipping diameter are you going with?

[roman]

No, they are TOMS extractors, the standard exhaust manifold has a big steel lump at the bottom, that the pipes join into. (rather than the pipes being spliced together)

I will be using the standard exhaust for now, but I plan to get a straight through exhaust made at some stage. (Which will be fricken noisy, as the MR2 exhaust only runs for a metre or so! Which will most probably be 2 1/4" pipe.

I think that any bigger would be overkill for a 2 litre NA.

Perhaps 2 1/2" at the max.