 Christmas presents for your Celi?, What are you getting |
 Dec 17, 2005 - 9:12 AM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Aug 31, '02 From Virginia Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%)  |
Anyone here being given anything for Christmas to hook up their ride? I just received in the mail my one big gift from my wife this XMas - the TWM Short Shifter. It was like $165 for just a few small parts...amazing. It came with "TWMPerformance.com" decals too, but damn that decal is big...I will probably stick it on the little quarter panel window but cut off the "Performance.com" piece lol. I have to wait til XMas to install it, but so far, I am impressed with the company and the product. The instructions came with black and white photos, but you can also download off their website in color. Hopefully some H&R Springs will be next. Yeah for loved ones that support our Celis...
 FYI - this is not for the car in the profile, but my newer Red Hatch |
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Dec 17, 2005 - 9:54 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jul 7, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 55 (100%) |
Teins and splitters
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Dec 17, 2005 - 9:56 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 8, '04 From KY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Nope but I'm pretty sure my gf is getting me a bigscreen or a flat panel tv.
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Dec 17, 2005 - 10:31 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 5, '05 From NE Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
My own x-mas present that im getting is my vador bodykit
 should be coming next week sometime. My g/f is getting me soulshadows brembo crossdrilled rotors, can't wait for them. Then im getting a couple other xmas presents for myself like the TWM short shifter, and dropzone coil overs.Lol my bad. Typed the wrong This post has been edited by celiracer: Dec 17, 2005 - 10:43 AM --------------------  |
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Dec 17, 2005 - 10:34 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 17, '03 From Bloomington, Indiana Currently Offline Reputation: 62 (98%) |
QUOTE(celiracer @ Dec 17, 2005 - 3:31 PM) [snapback]368289[/snapback] the tein short shifter wtf --------------------  |
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Dec 17, 2005 - 10:51 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 21, '05 From Franklin NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah my Xmas present to myself was supposted to be a kit and then some paint but my clutch is gettin ready to take a $h!t so im gettin that done instead....
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Dec 17, 2005 - 11:22 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 26, '03 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
lowering springs, new strut mounts, shifter fixed, new tires and exhaust. But i'm payin for half of all this stuff
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Dec 17, 2005 - 12:39 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 3, '03 From cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
trd or endless racing pads and an oil change
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Dec 17, 2005 - 1:27 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 21, '04 From New York City Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
since i'm getting nothing for my xmas... the celi ain't getting jack from me... since she already got lotsa stuff..
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Dec 17, 2005 - 1:32 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 From Long Island, N.Y. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
-new brake pads
-manual tranny parts -buff and wax -clear turns cars and women are two expensive hobbies,
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Dec 17, 2005 - 3:35 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 30, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I am thinking of a 2835 Turbine...
But if i dont make it this xmas...probably will be on my car with the new year : 
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Dec 17, 2005 - 3:43 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 25, '03 From Miami, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 9 (100%) |
turbo
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Dec 17, 2005 - 4:25 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 16, '02 From New York Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
i am attempting to save all the cash i get for christmas and then my birthday along with what i have saved up for new paint.
-------------------- Buy my Celica $2,500 - http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=76562&st=0
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Dec 17, 2005 - 4:48 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 18, '04 From Portland OR / Vancouver WA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
My baby needs new carbon fiber dash trim & im thinkin about getting new wheels soon too
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Dec 17, 2005 - 5:16 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Virginia Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
I like the replies. Sounds like you all gettin' more hooked up than me lol. Hopefully I can make the H&R Springs a present to myself.
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Dec 17, 2005 - 5:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 From Long Island, N.Y. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
QUOTE My baby needs new carbon fiber dash trim & im thinkin about getting new wheels soon too nice, what kind of wheels are you looking at This post has been edited by Jdog1385: Dec 17, 2005 - 7:17 PM |
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Dec 17, 2005 - 6:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 18, '04 From Portland OR / Vancouver WA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(Jdog1385 @ Dec 17, 2005 - 2:58 PM) [snapback]368386[/snapback] nice, what kind of wheels are you looking at who me??? not sure if that was for me but if it was then hmm I dunno yet lol have to look! -------------------- |
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Dec 17, 2005 - 6:36 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 25, '04 From Shreveport, Louisiana Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(Celicav @ Dec 17, 2005 - 10:16 PM) [snapback]368376[/snapback] I like the replies. Sounds like you all gettin' more hooked up than me lol. Hopefully I can make the H&R Springs a present to myself. H&R's......sooooooo nice. I love 'em |
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Dec 17, 2005 - 6:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 3, '04 From Yakima, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
i plan on... getting some seafoam for it - thats about it, spent all my money on the girl and family. who knows what everyone else is getting for me that is for the celi. i guess ill know in 8 days eh?
-------------------- the 1/4 doesnt have patience for a ST.... so we make them ST-T's so atleast we'll sound good going slow.
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Dec 17, 2005 - 7:05 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
a new home
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Dec 17, 2005 - 7:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 18, '04 From Portland OR / Vancouver WA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(Phat_99CeliGT @ Dec 17, 2005 - 4:05 PM) [snapback]368412[/snapback] a new home a new home or a new owner???? 
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Dec 18, 2005 - 12:09 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Sad to say, a new home with a new owner. -------------------- Jared Harwell
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Dec 18, 2005 - 12:51 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 17, '03 From Bloomington, Indiana Currently Offline Reputation: 62 (98%) |
this is sad..... jared is moving on..... but today i ordered my lowering springs
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Dec 18, 2005 - 5:36 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 25, '05 From Sydney, Australia Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
No Jared, don't do it
 I just changed the oil and oil filter and it's running smoother. She will a wash and a polish so it will look pretty for Christmas
--------------------  98 ST204 ZR - Black Beauty - Roaming the streets of Sydney 73 TA22 LT - Tiffany Blue - Mint Classic Weekend Cruiser 75 TA22 LT - Snow White - Mint Classic Weekend Cruiser 77 RA28 LT - Flubber Green - Mint Classic Weekend Cruiser 94 MX-5 NA8 Clubman - Red Racer - Looking for corners WIP Project: 69 RT40 Corona, 2nd WIP Project: 66 RT40 1600s Corona 86 Corona RT142 - Daily Driver 6GC 4 Life Baby!!! |
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Dec 18, 2005 - 10:24 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
I got her a lip kit.. maybe somthing else.. but hopfully not.. Im looking for a new car..
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Dec 18, 2005 - 10:29 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 17, '05 From Newcastle / UK Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
Clear front indicators and hopefully my coilover kit if it ever arrives from Japan
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Dec 18, 2005 - 10:38 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 9, '05 From Under the car Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
New Nosecone
New Radiator, new chargecooler rad, possibly an apexi PFC, some new alloys and some good tyres. This post has been edited by Insanity-74: Dec 18, 2005 - 10:38 AM |
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Dec 18, 2005 - 3:29 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
mine is getting,
frame, front kit, racing seats and brackets, hood, hatch, suspension, some braces and vertical doors |
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Dec 18, 2005 - 5:40 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 27, '04 Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
she's getting some more junk in the trunk...
a custom sub box and display for my air suspension parts..
-------------------- ~Daniel~ No Longer Celica Owner.. moved on to a 03 WRX-EJ207
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Dec 18, 2005 - 6:10 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
celica is getting taken back to stock even more.
gift to myself is the Lexus SC3 going tomorrow, hopefully all is well with it. --------------------  |
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Dec 18, 2005 - 6:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 16, '02 From New York Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
QUOTE(Phat_99CeliGT @ Dec 18, 2005 - 12:09 AM) [snapback]368496[/snapback] Sad to say, a new home with a new owner. QUOTE(dustin15brown @ Dec 18, 2005 - 12:51 AM) [snapback]368505[/snapback] this is sad..... jared is moving on..... but today i ordered my lowering springs It's about damn time! QUOTE(playr158 @ Dec 18, 2005 - 3:29 PM) [snapback]368639[/snapback] mine is getting, frame, front kit, racing seats and brackets, hood, hatch, suspension, some braces and vertical doors ^ teh crazieeeeeeee
-------------------- Buy my Celica $2,500 - http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=76562&st=0
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Dec 18, 2005 - 6:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 7, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 55 (100%) |
Tina U are addicted.
-------------------- JDM guy made me do it.
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Dec 18, 2005 - 10:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 12, '05 From Who says you can't circle race a celica? Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
NGK plugs and wires, cap, rotor, valve stem seals, and a new headgasket.
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Dec 18, 2005 - 11:05 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 17, '03 From new jersey Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
hopefully i will have my swap done
 and gettin a new radar detector and maybe a new pioneer head unit
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Dec 19, 2005 - 11:33 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 25, '04 From Henniker, NH USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
HKS SSQV, gt4 wrc wing spacers, 12x18 gravel flaps, new front speakers and a GT35 turbo. She will be a very happy girl this christmas
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Dec 19, 2005 - 5:16 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 20, '05 From sacramento, ca Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
ss-III tails, oil change, new caps, wires and spark plugs...
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Dec 19, 2005 - 5:18 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
I just got some sideskirts for it
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Dec 19, 2005 - 5:20 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 19, '05 From Auckland New Zealand Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ss3 tails are exactly the same as ss2 tails aren't they
-------------------- Wanted White Or Silver Toyota Celica SS2 1998 Auto Sunroof, ABS 200 hp JDM Model
Random Stupid Question Asked To Me On allexperts.com Under Category Toyota: could 100% japan toyotas, be stolen by a professional thief, or anyone else. |
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Dec 19, 2005 - 5:21 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
a 7AGTE
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Dec 19, 2005 - 5:25 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
QUOTE(Celica_Fan @ Dec 19, 2005 - 5:20 PM) [snapback]369043[/snapback] ss3 tails are exactly the same as ss2 tails aren't they Doesnt make a difference what trim line it is. JDM 94/95 tails are the same as USDM 94-95. Its only 96+ JDM that are different. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Dec 19, 2005 - 5:25 PM -------------------- |
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Dec 19, 2005 - 5:35 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 21, '05 From Tacoma, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
Oil change and a K&N filter. If I can find one more rim I'll get my snow tires on.
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Dec 19, 2005 - 6:45 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 18, '05 From Calgary Currently Offline Reputation: 20 (100%) |
i got most of my stuff already...
i still need an ST205 front bumper with fogs & grill and hood. ... ooh.. i can't wait til spring comes. i think i'm gonna dedicate 2-3 days to paint & mount them all on. 
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Dec 19, 2005 - 6:55 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 6, '05 From Texas/Hawaii Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Custom flame red gauges
Eibach pro springs Kyb Struts 4k Paint Job Exotic Red wit silver pearl
-------------------- I gotz 2 things my celi and a dream, the prob is commin up with the thrid one...
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Dec 19, 2005 - 7:17 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 17, '03 From Bloomington, Indiana Currently Offline Reputation: 62 (98%) |
QUOTE(anubis0108 @ Dec 19, 2005 - 11:55 PM) [snapback]369066[/snapback] 4k Paint Job Exotic Red wit silver pearl does your paint job give u a hummer when u ask for it? -------------------- |
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Dec 19, 2005 - 7:35 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(azian_advanced @ Dec 19, 2005 - 3:45 PM) [snapback]369062[/snapback] i got most of my stuff already... i still need an ST205 front bumper with fogs & grill and hood. ... ooh.. i can't wait til spring comes. i think i'm gonna dedicate 2-3 days to paint & mount them all on. *Jelous* I hate you. |
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Dec 19, 2005 - 8:20 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 12, '03 From Portland , Oregon , United States Currently Offline Reputation: -1 (33%) |
To Red,
Rear Disc Swap Front GT conversion Finish up the system Mabey some maintence stuff To Me, a nice and pretty 94 GT hatch, pics soon. DTE -------------------- I am a thief.
do not buy anything from me. |
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Dec 19, 2005 - 9:00 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 6, '05 From Texas/Hawaii Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(dustin15brown @ Dec 19, 2005 - 7:17 PM) [snapback]369078[/snapback] QUOTE(anubis0108 @ Dec 19, 2005 - 11:55 PM) [snapback]369066[/snapback] 4k Paint Job Exotic Red wit silver pearl does your paint job give u a hummer when u ask for it? lolz i wish, i d sell it and buy more things
-------------------- I gotz 2 things my celi and a dream, the prob is commin up with the thrid one...
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Dec 19, 2005 - 9:43 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
4K is pretty F'in good for a custom paint job.
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Dec 19, 2005 - 9:44 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 23, '03 From New Orleans Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Buying a X-Runner and making that my beater, thats the gift to the celica, so it wont get abused anymore and I can finally start customizing the interior
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Dec 19, 2005 - 10:39 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Virginia Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Dec 19, 2005 - 3:18 PM) [snapback]369042[/snapback] I just got some sideskirts for it FINALLY, you got em!!! You are welcome!
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Dec 20, 2005 - 4:00 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 7, '04 From greece Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I alread got my celi it xmas gift it was
apexi lowering springs kyb struts and hopefuly from the new year rims bodykit paint job 3sgte swap I made a deal witn santa |
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Dec 20, 2005 - 11:19 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 18, '05 From Calgary Currently Offline Reputation: 20 (100%) |
QUOTE(Chanh55 @ Dec 19, 2005 - 6:35 PM) [snapback]369087[/snapback] QUOTE(azian_advanced @ Dec 19, 2005 - 3:45 PM) [snapback]369062[/snapback] i got most of my stuff already... i still need an ST205 front bumper with fogs & grill and hood. ... ooh.. i can't wait til spring comes. i think i'm gonna dedicate 2-3 days to paint & mount them all on. *Jelous* I hate you. 
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Dec 20, 2005 - 12:28 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 3, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
my cusco twinplate clutch kit will arrive on monday, that is my present for my baby.
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Dec 20, 2005 - 1:15 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 5, '05 From pineapple under the sea Currently Offline Reputation: 9 (100%) |
Well, I thought her only present was going to be some 92 octane... cause it was cheap for a day, but then I found her new (hopefully) present....
 With ITB's and a lightweight flywheel... This post has been edited by 95CelicaST: Dec 20, 2005 - 1:18 PM -------------------- 1991 MR2 - T-tops - Crimson Red - Gen3 3SGTE - Lots of money
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Dec 20, 2005 - 4:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 6, '05 From Texas/Hawaii Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(lazy @ Dec 20, 2005 - 4:00 AM) [snapback]369270[/snapback] I alread got my celi it xmas gift it was apexi lowering springs kyb struts and hopefuly from the new year rims bodykit paint job 3sgte swap I made a deal witn santa heh heh heh i made a deal wit santa too lol im not gettin as much as u though guess i been bad 1 2 many times -------------------- I gotz 2 things my celi and a dream, the prob is commin up with the thrid one...
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Dec 20, 2005 - 5:16 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Dec 19, 2005 - 4:25 PM) [snapback]369045[/snapback] QUOTE(Celica_Fan @ Dec 19, 2005 - 5:20 PM) [snapback]369043[/snapback] ss3 tails are exactly the same as ss2 tails aren't they Doesnt make a difference what trim line it is. JDM 94/95 tails are the same as USDM 94-95. Its only 96+ JDM that are different. The 94-95 JDMs had a full amber lens on the side and the USDMs had amber surrounded by red... Something like that anyways... I just know they aren't the same. EDIT: Just found this pic: 94-95 JDM tails:  JDM 94-95 are fully amber on the outside... USDM tails are red with an amber surround. This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Dec 21, 2005 - 12:55 PM --------------------  Project ST204.5 99.88946% complete... |
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Dec 20, 2005 - 7:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 25, '03 From Miami, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 9 (100%) |
QUOTE(95CelicaST @ Dec 20, 2005 - 11:15 AM) [snapback]369350[/snapback] Well, I thought her only present was going to be some 92 octane... cause it was cheap for a day, but then I found her new (hopefully) present.... Don't all Silvertops have ITBs? Either way, hope the swap goes well.With ITB's and a lightweight flywheel... -------------------- |
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Dec 20, 2005 - 8:03 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 14, '05 From Miramar, Florida Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
projector headlights
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Dec 20, 2005 - 8:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 25, '03 From Miami, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 9 (100%) |
QUOTE(Ethnykceli @ Dec 20, 2005 - 6:03 PM) [snapback]369478[/snapback] projector headlights jordi, how much you getting them for and where? i want some!-------------------- |
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Dec 20, 2005 - 10:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 3, '04 From North Carolina Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
grill and clear sides and turns
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Dec 21, 2005 - 3:01 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Just got some HIDs for my baby. Thanks to wannabegt4 for the link. I know there's a group buy going on, but I'm really impatient waiting for those things to ship. Plus the price is about the same.
http://www.oznium.com/hid Comment from phat from 6gc: 5 of 5 Stars! – jared Harwell, 11/07/2005 These are awesome. I just bought the 8000k H1 for my Celica and i love them. nice crisp purple light. Very bright. VERY easy to install. Took me less then 10 minutes to install. Shipping was excellant. |
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Dec 25, 2005 - 9:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From San Juan, PR Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
Mine is getting Tein S-Tech springs, GT Factory vertical door kit, Mecca HID kit, a burning ceremony of the Dropzone coilovers, a turbo rebuild, an oil restrictor, and some other things. =)
-------------------- Past - 7A-FTE: Will never forget you
Present - 3rd Gen 3S-GTE: Swap in progress QUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 10:52 AM)  I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often... |
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Dec 25, 2005 - 10:07 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 5, '05 From NE Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
Rotors are in the mail. Bodykit comes friday ya ya:) got rear strut bar, and ceramic break pads, twm short shifter and pcp clear turns, and dropzone coilovers, thenPainting kit and car in March
can't wait.
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Dec 26, 2005 - 5:22 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 21, '02 From Europe Italy Lodi Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
my xmas' present for my celi.......................
the front old style emblem 
-------------------- Sthen Italy
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Dec 27, 2005 - 2:07 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 8, '05 From torrance/carson, ca Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
just a lil something for my celica to show that i care.... new side markers and customized 5th gen turn signals.
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Dec 28, 2005 - 1:02 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 21, '04 From Mckenzie, TN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
invador bodykit, a new cd player, & some new floormats
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Dec 28, 2005 - 1:10 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Flowlighting HIDs... So so sexy. =)
  
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Dec 28, 2005 - 8:07 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 22, '05 From STL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
my Celica got a
7th gen. short shifter neon strut tower brace air to fuel ratio gauge oil pressure gauge and new headlight bulbs (but not as bright as the ones above) -------------------- 7a-fte in progress
still need a manifold, fuel pump, greddy e-manage, and oil lines / water lines |
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