1MZFE Swap Checklist (With Prices), Looking for feedback Options

[Dr_Tweak]

6th Gen Celica GT Manual, 1MZFE Swap

1MZFE engine set, local $500
Clutch kit $150
Fuel pump $100
Misc $1000
Labor $1000 - $1400
$2750 - $3150

GT Automatic, add:
GT Tranny $350
Manual conversion parts $300
Labor $300
$950

$3700 - $4100

ST Manual, add:
GT cables, axles, mounts $500
GT Tranny $350
Labor $100
$950

$3700 - $4100

ST Automatic, add:
Axles, mounts $500
Tranny $350
Manual conversion parts $300
Labor $400
$1550

$4300 - $4700

Manual, E153 Tranny
Tranny $550-$900
ST205/MR2/Camry Axles $300
ST205 or custom mounts $200-$400
Clutch kit (add) $50
Labor $100
$1200 - $1750

$3950 - $4900

Auto, E153 Tranny
Tranny $550-$900
ST205/MR2/Camry Axles $300
ST205 or custom mounts $200-$400
Clutch kit (add) $50
Manual conversion parts $300
Labor $300
$1700 - $2250

$4450 - $5400

Add for maintenance/tune up:
Parts and labor $800

[Jen]

Are you going to be offering this service or something?

[Dr_Tweak]

Going to be?! I haven't gotten a chance to do this swap yet, but I've always been willing to!

-Doc

[CelicaZR]

Is this the V6 engine out of the camry?
I've heard of this engine before but forgot
what it was

[Dr_Tweak]

Yeap, from '95 on I think.

-Doc

[presure2]

awesome post tweek!

[bindertch]

So you are saying you could do that to an ST manual for less than $5K? I need to find that over here.

What would you do for exhaust?

This post has been edited by bindertch: Feb 20, 2006 - 11:07 AM

[Chanh55]

Dammit tweak why can't you be closer to the west coast. Has anyone ever shipped you their car for you to work on?

[JFrost9]

Hmm...im interested what other kinda motors you could swap into the Celica...just cuz id like something unique like this 1MZFE...what kinda numbers does this engine put out?

[Cutrara]

Gooooooooooogle:

Some highlights from the article on the 1MZ-FE:
:: 200 - 225 hp, 204 - 209 lb-ft torque, 3.0 V6
:: Found in 94 & up Camry & ES300, and later in Solara & Sienna
:: 10:4:1 compression
:: Similar in weight and size with 3S-GTE
:: Price (Junkyard) around $1500-2000
:: Available TRD bolt on Eaton supercharger kit good for an additional 62 hp.

Edit: So, you're looking at about the same HP and a bit more torque when compared to a 2nd gen 3S-GTE. Throw on the supercharger and you'll out run just about any 3S (except for people like Gary lol).

This post has been edited by Cutrara: Feb 20, 2006 - 1:00 PM

[Chanh55]

V6 Celica... *Droool...

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I worry about putting another engine in my car that ends in "fe." How could you rev this thing? Would it be better for everyday use, but not as good on the track as a 3sgte? Even though it has the higher displacement, I'd still rather go with a 3sgte. Do they make parts to really build this v6 up to high hp marks? Something around 500hp.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Feb 20, 2006 - 1:18 PM

[JFrost9]

damn... nice find Cutrara, im at school, so my googling is limited... but i think that sounds like some reliable numbers...

[Cutrara]

I think 500 HP is an unrealistic goal. You said yourself, it's an "FE" engine. IMO, the heads just aren't designed to support 500 HP. Even if they were, Imagine the kind of forced induction you'd need, somewhere north of 20 psi which means forged internals. Injectors, standalone ecu, and the list goes on.

How would you go about getting all this power to the ground? Even if you used the MR2 LSD tranny (E153?), that's still 500 HP going to 2 wheels.

Edit for JFrost: I'm home today, don't you guys have off for presidents day? Yeah, they are pretty reliable, NA rocks. I'd love to have this swap, but I don't have the means for it.

This post has been edited by Cutrara: Feb 20, 2006 - 1:32 PM

[elvasoshexai]

damn... i'll try and find it but i once saw a list of quarter mile times for camrys and a solara w/ a built 1mzfe beat a lot of 3sgte swapped camrys

[HaRv3sTeR]

:: 200 - 225 hp, 204 - 209 lb-ft torque, 3.0 V6

why 25 hp/5lbstq range? is that US -JDM specs?

would the 225hp block + supercharger beat a 3rd gen 3sgte?

This post has been edited by HaRv3sTeR: Feb 20, 2006 - 1:39 PM

[elvasoshexai]

:: 200 - 225 hp, 204 - 209 lb-ft torque, 3.0 V6

why 25 hp/5lbstq range? is that US -JDM specs?

would the 225hp block + supercharger beat a 3rd gen 3sgte?

i think different years had different specs... but are you sure they go from 200hp-225hp?? i'm quite certain several years hp rating are around 180s to 190s

the quarter mile database i mentioned before is kinda down right now... but one of the faster 1mzfe's w/ trd sc + nos ran 13.046... 315whp...

This post has been edited by elvasoshexai: Feb 20, 2006 - 1:47 PM

[JFrost9]

well even then, i wouldnt really want 500 hp... maybe in the 3-4 hundred range... which i think i could obtain with either the 3s or the 1m.

Edit: and no we dont get off for Presidents day... we get other random days off, but for some reason we dont get a federal holiday off.

Edit #2: This post got me my 3rd little block in posting status thing.

This post has been edited by JFrost9: Feb 20, 2006 - 1:47 PM

[Cutrara]

Yeah, just as different generations of the 3S have different specs, the same should be true for the 1MZ. Although I base this on nothing, I just found those specs on the net.


Off the top of my head the 3rd gen has about what? 245 HP in the JDM form? 225 HP block+theoretical 62 HP SC adds up to 287 HP. So based on HP, the 1MZ would beat the 3rd gen 3S.

well even then, i wouldnt really want 500 hp... maybe in the 3-4 hundred range... which i think i could obtain with either the 3s or the 1m.

EXACTLY what I had saying. 500 HP would make it incredibly hard to drive.

This post has been edited by Cutrara: Feb 20, 2006 - 1:49 PM

[HaRv3sTeR]

so what years are the engine that can be swapped 95-06?

[JFrost9]

seems like theoretically you could find a new totalled Solora or something...

[elvasoshexai]

so what years are the engine that can be swapped 95-06?

i think they stopped using that engine around 02 or 03 or so... @ least for camrys/siennas... not sure about solara hto

This post has been edited by elvasoshexai: Feb 20, 2006 - 1:51 PM

[Cutrara]

seems like theoretically you could find a new totalled Solora or something...

Theoretically, yes. But it would probably be expensive for the engine set. I don't know the generations for the 1MZ like I know the 3S gens, but you'd probably be better off finding the same generation 1MZ with a bit more milage in a vehicle that may be a few years older.

[elvasoshexai]

uh here's a dyno sheet from a 1mzfe gen4 camry w/ the trd sc... incase anyone is interested:
er well if that pic didn't work.. just head over to http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/showgal...at/500/ppuser/4

it had 189.9 max fwhp and 186.2 max torque

and somebody correct me if i'm wrong... but i thought the 1mzfe SC was discontinued?

This post has been edited by elvasoshexai: Feb 20, 2006 - 8:03 PM

[Cutrara]

I'm sure you can still find the SCs floating around the net.

it had 189.9 max fwhp and 186.2hp max torque

: (

This post has been edited by Cutrara: Feb 20, 2006 - 6:13 PM

[zachattack15]

A few of the MR2 guys have completed this swap.

[HaRv3sTeR]

correct me if im wrong but I dont think they made a SC for the 3.3L (225HP)

the best i can find is the SC for 99-02 Solara (3.0L 200hp)


~263hp would be very good though..but expensive since the SC isnt cheap




This post has been edited by HaRv3sTeR: Feb 20, 2006 - 2:13 PM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I think 500 HP is an unrealistic goal. You said yourself, it's an "FE" engine. IMO, the heads just aren't designed to support 500 HP. Even if they were, Imagine the kind of forced induction you'd need, somewhere north of 20 psi which means forged internals. Injectors, standalone ecu, and the list goes on.

How would you go about getting all this power to the ground? Even if you used the MR2 LSD tranny (E153?), that's still 500 HP going to 2 wheels.

Yeah, I know it's the "fe" head, which means it would take something serious to get it that high. But if you go by liter, Manny has about 250hp for 2.2, so from a 3.0, you could expect some like 350 reasonably. But, everyone knows it doesn't always work out that way. But the reason I ask about 500hp, is because the way I think, if you can push a motor to 500hp, then lower numbers are possable and reasonable. For example the guy with the 3sgte in the mr2 thats something like 800hp. That makes me think that 400hp could be obtained reasonably. So, 250-300hp out of the 1mzfe should be okay if they are capable of 500hp. That isn't the best reasoning either, but it's how I work.

[K-ESD]

doc, what's ur oppinion on the 3mz-fe?
i know in theory it's feasble but what i'm wondering about putting that U151-E (5spd auto) or weither it's possible to trick the stock ECU in the case one would choose to put the E153 instead.

[Jen]

This would be a hott swap.

When are you moving to South Carolina?!

[Cutrara]

But if you go by liter, Manny has about 250hp for 2.2, so from a 3.0, you could expect some like 350 reasonably.

Are we thinking of the same Manny?

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

But if you go by liter, Manny has about 250hp for 2.2, so from a 3.0, you could expect some like 350 reasonably.

Are we thinking of the same Manny?

I must have been thinking of torque. I could swear he had more than that. So, what about 250-300hp from a 1mzfe? Is it impossible?

[elvasoshexai]

But if you go by liter, Manny has about 250hp for 2.2, so from a 3.0, you could expect some like 350 reasonably.

Are we thinking of the same Manny?

I must have been thinking of torque. I could swear he had more than that. So, what about 250-300hp from a 1mzfe? Is it impossible?

i thought i wrote on 1st page some solara guy has a 315 fwhp 1mzfe w/ sc + nos? does that count?

[Clipsetuner]

There are a few other expensives.

I would reccomend a nice stage 2 clutch, Light weight flywheel, LSD for SURE! torque steer is crazy.

Unless Tweak can somehow confirm this, you will have to have a aftermarket tach, because the ECU's read different Ohm levels, so you might have a reading, but it wont be correct.

Other then that I think tweak covered everything, I think he probley knows more about the swap then me, But I know a decent amount.

Tweak you also take into account the time/money expensive into the 4th motor mount?

DTE

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

i thought i wrote on 1st page some solara guy has a 315 fwhp 1mzfe w/ sc + nos? does that count?

Not really. I'd like to see the intire hp without nitrous. I just don't like the stuff much. I am baised though, and I know it can be effectively used as a good power adder.

[K-ESD]

hey clipstuner
the stock tach can be modified with simple electronics, there's a really good write up on mr2oc. you should check it out, very interesting.
also, i am trying to PM you but can't get thru, ur box is full

This post has been edited by K-ESD: Feb 20, 2006 - 9:16 PM

[elvasoshexai]

ok... i thought this guy had a 3vz-fe @ first.. them i checked again.. he has a 1mz-fe...

there is this guy in mississauga w/ a TCed 1mzfe camry, a TCed b18c1 integra and a SCed 1.6EL in mississauga...

anyway, his 1mz-fe camry has 392WHP 94 camry:
http://www.geocities.com/leunghomepage/ModsCamry.html

http://www.geocities.com/leunghomepage/Cam...boOct13-05.html

the funny thing is his mom drives that camry hah

This post has been edited by elvasoshexai: Feb 20, 2006 - 9:45 PM

[JFrost9]

that is an expensive list he has going there...i had never even heard of a T66, and its probably outa my range of things to upgrade. and i agree with bigmean, i dont think id need any nos unless i was going to the track.

This post has been edited by JFrost9: Feb 20, 2006 - 9:51 PM

[behindthesmile]

are the camry mounts going to be bolt ons or you need some adjustments?

[elvasoshexai]

that is an expensive list he has going there...i had never even heard of a T66, and its probably outa my range of things to upgrade. and i agree with bigmean, i dont think id need any nos unless i was going to the track.

yea... he's spent well over 10k on that car...

people wanted to know if you could reach 500hp and that was the highest i ever saw...


and um if you SC the 1mz-fe w/ a manual tranny, you can very likely expect 200whp @ 4-5psi

This post has been edited by elvasoshexai: Feb 20, 2006 - 10:03 PM

[o0black0o]

there is also a JDM 1mzfe contains 286 HP. I did alot of research on the swap there is alot more to consider than what he wrote.

[behindthesmile]

there is also a JDM 1mzfe contains 286 HP. I did alot of research on the swap there is alot more to consider than what he wrote.

that sounds crazy i've considered going for the 1mzfe route when i get the funds... there was a guy who had it installed in his 5th gen so its definitely possible for the 6th gen except no one has done it yet

[JFrost9]

behindthesmile, i think if you have a GT then the motor mounts will line up...Im not sure though. Im still tryin to find a reason why i would want to swap in the 1mzfe over the 3sgte.

[behindthesmile]

behindthesmile, i think if you have a GT then the motor mounts will line up...Im not sure though. Im still tryin to find a reason why i would want to swap in the 1mzfe over the 3sgte.

too bad i have an st... but the real motivation for me is that theres more parts available for the 1m7fe compared to the 3sgte considering i have a 12 yr old car and i plan to keep it for aslong as i can the 1m7fe is a good choice

[Cutrara]

Im still tryin to find a reason why i would want to swap in the 1mzfe over the 3sgte.

~270 HP 1MZ-FZE>200 HP 3S-GTE

"Hey that car is a 4-banger, right?"
"Not this one... (VROOOOM VROOOOM)"

[JFrost9]

well i wasnt including the SC...but i guess you have a valid point. lol.

[cg97]

doc, u have discounts for canadians? ha

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Im still tryin to find a reason why i would want to swap in the 1mzfe over the 3sgte.

~270 HP 1MZ-FZE>200 HP 3S-GTE

"Hey that car is a 4-banger, right?"
"Not this one... (VROOOOM VROOOOM)"

3rd gen 3sgte is 225, you know that. And you can't include the 270 sc, unless you take into account upgrading the turbo on the 3sgte. The 4 banger, and engine sound thing, are the only advantages I see. I think the 3sgte is more of a proven power plant over the 1mzfe. More info too. And it's made for the Celica. But that makes the 1mzfe more original. You what else would be original? A b-series motor in a Celica.

[Dr_Tweak]

Wow, three pages! I'm glad this topic has generated some interest I've always thought that the V6 should be a more common swap. Sure, the 3SGTE is a more sport-type engine, but the 1MZFE would be just great on the street.

I'm planning on moving down to SC for May, but I'll keep everyone updated. Either way I'm going fulltime in the shop soon.

The 4th mount will most likely but custom, but I'll have to try it before I know.

I think the other Camry V6 engines are feasible as well though they will probably present different challenges.

-Doc

[Kwanza26]

I personally wouldn't bother with the older VZ series motors... those things are pretty nightmarish when it comes to the heads and the power output isn't spectacular... so stick with the 1MZ. That's the best reasonably swappable V6. The 3MZ is a viable option also, considering it's the exactly same thing as the 1mz except it's bored out... but it's just a load more expensive...

[elvasoshexai]

er... i'm just wondering... has anyone here actually driven a car with a 1mz-fe? cuz er... my sienna has one and it pulls so damn slow from a start, even with hard accel... i dunno... it makes a weird leaking sound when acceling... so maybe it's just my car

[Kwanza26]

er... i'm just wondering... has anyone here actually driven a car with a 1mz-fe? cuz er... my sienna has one and it pulls so damn slow from a start, even with hard accel... i dunno... it makes a weird leaking sound when acceling... so maybe it's just my car

cause a sienna is like 4000+ pounds

[Drew-887]

Does anyone have any pics of the V6 engine?

[elvasoshexai]

http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/data/50...SC_002_logo.jpg

[HaRv3sTeR]

there is also a JDM 1mzfe contains 286 HP. I did alot of research on the swap there is alot more to consider than what he wrote.

link?

from which model/years is it from?.....and is that without the SC?


This post has been edited by HaRv3sTeR: Feb 21, 2006 - 5:17 PM

[Dr_Tweak]

there is also a JDM 1mzfe contains 286 HP. I did alot of research on the swap there is alot more to consider than what he wrote.

Why don't you enlighten us? That is the purpose of this thread, after all.

[K-ESD]

i'll give you my share

-header, firewall side, needs to be modified to clear the steering rack
-returnless fuel system needs to be either converted to return or the rest of the system need to be converted to returnless (ie reg near tank)
-radiator hoses needs to be rerouted, they are at opposite ends
-wiring, have fun, lol
-OBD1 to OBD2 convertion in some cases, not a big thing
-custom rear mount
-EVAP system needs to be rigged to avoid CELs
-ECU needs to be "tricked" in the likely case you have a AUTO ECU
-Tach's circuit board needs to be modified to read the V6 pulse
-and more

thats all i can think on top of my head

[Clipsetuner]

i'll give you my share

-header, firewall side, needs to be modified to clear the steering rack
-returnless fuel system needs to be either converted to return or the rest of the system need to be converted to returnless (ie reg near tank)
-radiator hoses needs to be rerouted, they are at opposite ends
-wiring, have fun, lol
-OBD1 to OBD2 convertion in some cases, not a big thing
-custom rear mount
-EVAP system needs to be rigged to avoid CELs
-ECU needs to be "tricked" in the likely case you have a AUTO ECU
-Tach's circuit board needs to be modified to read the V6 pulse
-and more

thats all i can think on top of my head

stock header, will just have to have a custom drop down pipe made.
I dont know about yours or others, but mine has a return line on the fuel rails
Radiatior hose's thats a givin, but GT/ST rad might be easyer, I was just gonna wing it with my ST's
-wiring, have fun, lol DOUBLE!
The front motor mount was the one that needs to be made, as I was told by my buddy with mr6
-EVAP system needs to be rigged to avoid CELs, yep
For anyone looking for a engine/harness/ECU hunt for the manual it will make things easyer in the end
I dont know about modding the tach, didnt much care sense I have a Autometer C2 Tach, but im sure its something that needs to be covered.
^
Fuel Pump
LSD
all that other little crap

It is to my understanding that 1mz/3mz dont put out over 230hp stock, but I havent done alot of reserech most people say look into it and read, I was just mainly gonna peice it together, my local shop has done many v6 swaps into mr2's and he told me that he would help me finish it up.

I was gonna look down the line at boosting mine via turbo, but considering I have to find another 6gc now my whole v6 project and all of that is being pushed back, so I wont be able to give anything but my knowledge for now.

I look at it, basicly anyway your gonna go with your celica your gonna be spending a good chunk of change, if you want a proven power house dont bother with this v6, go 3sgte, but the v6 will be something different a new playing feild persay, the SC add on looks rather disapointing, but a custom turbo setup, mabey some nitrous could be rather deadly setup.

now the 5vz would be swap, someone's gotta try it!

DTE

[thatcelicaguy]

i could be wrong but....i believe the solara drag cars us the 1mz....and i also believe a few of those hold tack records.....i dont think that its not a reliable or even a feasable power plant...i just believe it hasnt been done enough for anyone to really know all of the possibilities of the engine....i think as far as price goes ....it might be a little out of the range of most people...but if you can do the work yourself...it might cut the price down somewhat....i know here in town i can pic one of these engines up for like $300-500...which to me is a hell of a lot cheaper...and considering we have a fairly large mr2 group here as well the lsd wont be hard to pick up either....my questions are: what all trannys will bolt up to this engine....and what do the mr2 guys think of this swap...are they satisfied with the results they've gotten from this engine..if so.. it might be worth giving it a shot.

This post has been edited by thatcelicaguy: Feb 22, 2006 - 6:49 PM

[K-ESD]

i'm really hoping the 3MZ (or a late 1mz (04+)) is a possibility, but i can forsee that i will have a hard time finding an engine for a worthy price. The fitment of the 5spd auto is unknown and the ECU might or might not be able to be tricked with a E153, among other things that one would discover when attempting this.

clipstuner, i believe the auto ECU can be tricked, this would make finding the required parts much easier since there are few 5spd 1mz cars.

source Bedell racing

How to I trick an Auto ECU into working?

* Use (10 ohm?) 25 watt resistors pulled to ground to fool the ECU into thinking the solenoids are present. Adrian determined in his V6 Celica that the ECU seems to be the same for Manual/Auto. It is simply a matter of grounding the correct ECU pins (see below), so that resistors may not be necessary.

Using the factory wiring diagrams.
+ You will need to modify the wiring of the Heated A/F Sensors so that they are grounded to the chassis, not Via the ECU, as the ECU uses different ground connections. Some labeled a/t some m/t on the diagrams. Exclude all A/t conections, and make all M/t connections to the ECU.
+ These wires also include the Clutch start switch on the manual, and neutral start switch on the automatic. Effectively, this changes the ECU's logic to that of a Manual transmission set-up.

[thatcelicaguy]

no more responses to this....it makes me sad.....dont let the interest die...its a great swap and definately different!!!!

[FORGMANN]

hey,
just in case anyone is interested i will have a hybrid 1mz/3mz available soon .. (SOLD !!)


i have a 1mz (vvti) and a 3mz both with less than 2200 miles on them..

3mz is missing some parts but 98% of 1mz vvti swaps over to 3mz ..

it will have 3mz block and internals (which can be bored to make a 3.5l) and 3mz heads (100% identical to 1mz except for softer valve springs ) with vvti intake and ecu ..

have all these parts for it as well

manifolds
lower mainfold and cat (from v6 solara , help make a custom set up )
map sensor / charcoal canister from rear of lexus es300 (on non vvti it is in engine bay)
tach from solara (bolts in to guage cluster ) (not the face just the tach unit )
clutchmasters clutch
fidanza v6 flywheel (never used )
tons of misc parts


This swap is really easy compared to a lot of other swaps but still not recommended for a first swap.

use the same mounts as 3sgte once in just fab up pass side mount adapter to mate up with pass side ..

use oem lower manifold to see what mods need to be done clear rear crossmemeber

use same axles as 3sgte swap also will need to mod rear intermediate shaft to work with bearing carrier (see mr2oc)

will need to work out radiator issue as i believe it is oppisite on v6 compared to 5sfe camry unit might work.

60% of swap will be getting wiring worked out .. just take time and do homework ..

i have done more swaps than i can count but never a 1mz swap .. i have had all the parts for a mr2 swap for years just never had time to finish .


i seriously thought about keeping 3mz and doing a twin turbo v6 set up in my st205 but with a lot less time and money i can make over 300hp no sweat with 3sgte .. besides i am sure i would have been asked why i jacked with st205 so i will stay with orginal motor ..

anyone interested in motor i am in cincinnati area .. will ship anywhere in US ...

good luck swappers ...!!

This post has been edited by FORGMANN: Mar 8, 2006 - 10:29 PM

[GMan]

> post Feb 24, 2006 - 2:37 AM
> FORGMANN
> From cincinnati
> hey,

Hey FORGMANN;

> just in case anyone is interested i will have a hybrid 1mz/3mz available soon ..
> i seriously thought about keeping 3mz and doing a twin turbo v6 set up in my st205

Have you test fitted a V6 into an ST20# chassis ?
There was talk of the rear ex manifolds hitting the firewall in an ST18# set up.
The rear cylinder bank will not clear the rear drive shaft either. Maybe using a
Highlander/rx300/Sienna v6 set up ? Would be an interestin swap.

> but with a lot less time and money i can make over 300hp no sweat with 3sgte ..

Easliy.

> besides i am sure i would have been asked why i jacked with st205 so i will stay with orginal motor ..

Since the car is not native here only an enthusiast would Know/care ?
Plus any v6 in a 6th gen would be Unique. Let alone a turbo 4wd one. :-)

> good luck swappers ...!!

The fwd swap is doable. AWD has yet to be done by anyone.
I think it would require a Lot more than luck.

Regards;

[snapshotgt]

hey,
just in case anyone is interested i will have a hybrid 1mz/3mz available soon .. (SOLD !!)


i have a 1mz (vvti) and a 3mz both with less than 2200 miles on them..

3mz is missing some parts but 98% of 1mz vvti swaps over to 3mz ..

it will have 3mz block and internals (which can be bored to make a 3.5l) and 3mz heads (100% identical to 1mz except for softer valve springs ) with vvti intake and ecu ..

have all these parts for it as well

manifolds
lower mainfold and cat (from v6 solara , help make a custom set up )
map sensor / charcoal canister from rear of lexus es300 (on non vvti it is in engine bay)
tach from solara (bolts in to guage cluster ) (not the face just the tach unit )
clutchmasters clutch
fidanza v6 flywheel (never used )
tons of misc parts


This swap is really easy compared to a lot of other swaps but still not recommended for a first swap.

use the same mounts as 3sgte once in just fab up pass side mount adapter to mate up with pass side ..

use oem lower manifold to see what mods need to be done clear rear crossmemeber

use same axles as 3sgte swap also will need to mod rear intermediate shaft to work with bearing carrier (see mr2oc)

will need to work out radiator issue as i believe it is oppisite on v6 compared to 5sfe camry unit might work.

60% of swap will be getting wiring worked out .. just take time and do homework ..

i have done more swaps than i can count but never a 1mz swap .. i have had all the parts for a mr2 swap for years just never had time to finish .


i seriously thought about keeping 3mz and doing a twin turbo v6 set up in my st205 but with a lot less time and money i can make over 300hp no sweat with 3sgte .. besides i am sure i would have been asked why i jacked with st205 so i will stay with orginal motor ..

anyone interested in motor i am in cincinnati area .. will ship anywhere in US ...

good luck swappers ...!!

SOLD TO ME!

~snapshotgt

[JFrost9]

...we were suppose to be 3sgte austin swappage partners... nice buy though.. ima have to swing by and check it out when the engine gets in!

[snapshotgt]

...we were suppose to be 3sgte austin swappage partners... nice buy though.. ima have to swing by and check it out when the engine gets in!

Sorry Josh ...i had my engine bay calling this 1mz/3mz combo

~snap

[Dr_Tweak]

Finally, we'll have a member with a V6 Celica! Stay tuned, everyone

-Doc

[BBoYRuGGeD]

i had my engine bay calling this 1mz/3mz combo

~snap

good luck on tackling this swap bro...hope everything goes well i've always wanted to see a v6 under the hood of a 6gc

bboy

[snapshotgt]

i had my engine bay calling this 1mz/3mz combo

~snap

good luck on tackling this swap bro...hope everything goes well i've always wanted to see a v6 under the hood of a 6gc

bboy

Thanks a lot man

~snap

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: Aug 26, 2006 - 9:28 PM

[BBoYRuGGeD]

Thanks a lot man, Dr. Tweak will be the man swapping it, he does great work...like your car for example!

~snap

so very true!

bboy

[celi_gt_racer]

back from the dead - in honor of the first rolling and running v6 swapped celi.... ks'ed needs to come out and take his bows

[Shigexile]

snap, your amazing...
i look up to you but how can i keep up...

good luck with the swap. Dr will do a good job for sure.
V6 in a 6th gen celi!!!

hurray!!

[Dr_Tweak]

snap, your amazing...
i look up to you but how can i keep up...

good luck with the swap. Dr will do a good job for sure.
V6 in a 6th gen celi!!!

hurray!!

Mmmm... nope, it wasn't us. After many hours of planning and figuring out the swap, snapshotgt cut me out of the project. Current projects in my shop are a 3SGE BEAMS ('93 Celica) and a 4th gen 3SGTE (ST215, 6th gen Celica).

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Aug 26, 2006 - 9:10 PM

[Shigexile]

hmmm. i just realized the date on this topic. March?
So snap, what happened? is it running?

This post has been edited by Shigexile: Aug 26, 2006 - 9:19 PM

[celica47]

HEy tweak with this swap does the shop provide the engine or it depends?

[coldbluesteel]

I'm really more interested in the 5vz motor. I have one in my 4runner and with intake and exhaust I can still smoke my 22's. Plus I know alot can be done with it. TRD SC, upgrades for that. reliable 350 HP. plus it sounds so nice, I've got Quad custom exhaust, and it's so muscular. I know alot of guys that swap out their 3vz's for 5vz in The Taco's and 4runners, so if the 3vz fits the celica I'm thinking the 5vz will too.

[Dr_Tweak]

HEy tweak with this swap does the shop provide the engine or it depends?

I can locate one for you, yeah.

5VZ would work too, sure.

-Doc

[WH95TE]

just the thought of having a V6 celica is cool.

[bindertch]

So Dr Tweak your saying that the V6 that I am going to swap out of my truck for a V8 will work in a celica? Wouldn't it have to be a rear wheel drive? Could I use AWD? When I do the V8 swap I am planing on changing everything so all of the parts would be there. This would be interesting because that engine is a monster like coldbluesteel said. I have 33" tires on my truck and I can light them up with little effort. My wife might not like you guys geting me on this road of thinking though.

[K-ESD]

well I wanted to hold off until I had it perfected before I made an official anouncement but I guess it's just too much to hide.

Yes, I have the first running V6 and use it everyday.

I didn't quite "finish" it as I would like to, some things are still getho looking and I have a few bugs to work out. I need to rework some of the exhaust, mainly in the header piping (also working on a model for a set of custom headers), make myself a custom strut bar, get myself some ss radiator hoses. I do have a check engine light on but the car runs fine. Once I get everything straigthen out, I will make a post with all the information needed to help make this swap. I don't have picts of my setup at this moment and honestly I wouldn't want to show it to everyone because its a MESS.

Here's my setup:

04 Sienna 3MZFE & ECU
-150amp Alternator
-Solara power steering (sienna pump doesn't fit)
-Toyota Matrix K&N intake (thats right, a Matrix intake fits)
-Fidanza Flywheel
-3SGTE clutch

01 Solara E153 Transmission
-Alltrac rear and driver side mount, GT front mount
-GT-FOUR shifter cables
-MR2 turbo (non LSD) inner axles
-Solara axle carrier
-ST185 outter axles (with abs cause I have it)
-ST185 speed sensor

Others:
04 Sienna Immobilizer
04 Sienna Returnless Fuel pump and regulator
03 Echo charcoal canister (aka EVAP box)
01 Camry check fill valve

[K-ESD]

here's a link to my photobucket for old picts

http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i169/K-ESD/
K-ESD - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

[snapshotgt]

hmmm. i just realized the date on this topic. March?
So snap, what happened? is it running?

PMed

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: Aug 27, 2006 - 11:20 AM

[celi_gt_racer]

uh oh... has snap got close to finishing as well??? give us sum updates here bro

[behindthesmile]

well I wanted to hold off until I had it perfected before I made an official anouncement but I guess it's just too much to hide.

Yes, I have the first running V6 and use it everyday.

I didn't quite "finish" it as I would like to, some things are still getho looking and I have a few bugs to work out. I need to rework some of the exhaust, mainly in the header piping (also working on a model for a set of custom headers), make myself a custom strut bar, get myself some ss radiator hoses. I do have a check engine light on but the car runs fine. Once I get everything straigthen out, I will make a post with all the information needed to help make this swap. I don't have picts of my setup at this moment and honestly I wouldn't want to show it to everyone because its a MESS.

Here's my setup:

04 Sienna 3MZFE & ECU
-150amp Alternator
-Solara power steering (sienna pump doesn't fit)
-Toyota Matrix K&N intake (thats right, a Matrix intake fits)
-Fidanza Flywheel
-3SGTE clutch

01 Solara E153 Transmission
-Alltrac rear and driver side mount, GT front mount
-GT-FOUR shifter cables
-MR2 turbo (non LSD) inner axles
-Solara axle carrier
-ST185 outter axles (with abs cause I have it)
-ST185 speed sensor

Others:
04 Sienna Immobilizer
04 Sienna Returnless Fuel pump and regulator
03 Echo charcoal canister (aka EVAP box)
01 Camry check fill valve

sweet let me know how everything turns out after you cleaned out the bugs and how much everything cost in the end

[snapshotgt]

uh oh... has snap got close to finishing as well??? give us sum updates here bro

I'm not going to say much...
but this is my last post in this thread,
and can promise I will setup my own thread when it comes time.
I will say within a month to be totally annoying!

Also, in my mind -- these older thread should be left to die, and people who are swapping/swapped should make new threads that are not so long, and have more condensed, specific, factual info. Yes, this includes myself i know...and yes, the time will come.

~snap

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: Aug 28, 2006 - 12:13 AM

[K-ESD]

ah snap and the secrecy

[K-ESD]

sweet let me know how everything turns out after you cleaned out the bugs and how much everything cost in the end

One thing I can say for sure, the V6 swap is much easier (not easy, just easier) than anyone would have expected. Wiring isn't as bad as we all thought, mechanicaly the motor almost bolts on. The only custom fab needed is the passenger side motor mount, and creative exhaust work. Annother thing I should mention is that the stock strut bar had to go (in my case). It fits but it's cleary in the way of the engine when it rocks back and forth.





The V6 swap has MANY options for configuration

you have, the 1MZFE, 3MZFE, 3VZFE, 5VZFE, possibly the 2GRFE
all of which bolts on to either the GT tranny or the E153

Complications begin when swaping out the tranny for a E153, that was hard. The parts list grew
The GT tranny works and would work ok but it has too short gearing for the V6, also sticking with GT tranny (for the GT people) will also slash cost in almost half.

It's all about what you want and how much you're willing to spend.



What was the hardest part of this entire swap? Gathering parts !

This swap needed alot of parts, much less if you're keeping the GT tranny. When I think about it, alot of it was not nessesary but was a good thing to have.

I can see many more V6 swaps being done now that the ice is broken. I can provide crutial information for next swaps to come and so will snapshot when *sensored* does his. It will become a mainstream swap because it is the ideal swap for a daily driven Celica.


edit: I promised snap not to say who was going to do his swap

This post has been edited by K-ESD: Aug 28, 2006 - 5:50 AM

[WH95TE]

The V6 swap has MANY options for configuration

you have, the 1MZFE, 3MZFE, 3VZFE, 5VZFE, possibly the 2GRFE

What kind of numbers do each of these have?

[devilsden97]

new tweak pose?

[Dr_Tweak]

Wow, first V6 Celica is finally done. I've been pushing and pushing this swap for so long now, I can't beleive that it's finally done. I'm very happy about that, but I'm very sad that I wasn't the one to finally present it, after all the time I've put into this project. Such is life I guess. So K-ESD, what are your impressions on the driving aspect?

-Doc

[devilsden97]

dyno numbers?

[K-ESD]

So K-ESD, what are your impressions on the driving aspect?

two words... ----> wheel spin

I need bigger tires !!! (running 195/55/15's right now, good tires that came with rims for cheap)
It's very easy to break traction. I have to be very careful on the throttle.

but on a daily driving aspect, it's the best thing i've ever driven. The acceleration is so smooth, it feels like your getting pulled by a turbine. The Solara transmission shifts very very smoothly, like cutting through butter. It drives just like a brand new car, well after all I do have a motor with 16k kms and a trans with 60k kms. (try to get a 3SGTE localy with that many kms for $750 cnd )

Handling is not affected at all, not that I can notice. From carrying the two motors around, it feels like the 5SFE and the 3MZFE are about the same weight.

When I do gun it, after I get that wheel spin under control, it pulls like crazy (if I don't break loose again). I find myself shifting through gears very fast. The torque is just always there, in 5th gear I stomp on it and it MOVES up fast, no bogging like the 5SFE. It's an amazing engine, as good as in my dreams....maybe even better

also, i get better gas mileage than my 5SFE when babied.

[jdg371]

The V6 swap has MANY options for configuration

you have, the 1MZFE, 3MZFE, 3VZFE, 5VZFE, possibly the 2GRFE

What kind of numbers do each of these have?

2GRFE - 289hp on 87 octane.. 3.5L v6 lol <<< what I want rofl

this engine can be mated with the E153

So K-ESD, what are your impressions on the driving aspect?

two words... ----> wheel spin

I need bigger tires !!! (running 195/55/15's right now, good tires that came with rims for cheap)
It's very easy to break traction. I have to be very careful on the throttle.

but on a daily driving aspect, it's the best thing i've ever driven. The acceleration is so smooth, it feels like your getting pulled by a turbine. The Solara transmission shifts very very smoothly, like cutting through butter. It drives just like a brand new car, well after all I do have a motor with 16k kms and a trans with 60k kms. (try to get a 3SGTE localy with that many kms for $750 cnd )

Handling is not affected at all, not that I can notice. From carrying the two motors around, it feels like the 5SFE and the 3MZFE are about the same weight.

When I do gun it, after I get that wheel spin under control, it pulls like crazy (if I don't break loose again). I find myself shifting through gears very fast. The torque is just always there, in 5th gear I stomp on it and it MOVES up fast, no bogging like the 5SFE. It's an amazing engine, as good as in my dreams....maybe even better

also, i get better gas mileage than my 5SFE when babied.

How much of a difference with it be with the 1MZFE. 3MZFE is still a newish engine. and its hard to find (caryard anyways)

I about to start buying parts for my car.. first thing is ASA AR1 wheels. 16x7.5 with 225/50/16 Bridgstone 050A.. should be enuff tire to tame a v6? hehe

[K-ESD]

What kind of numbers do each of these have?

here they are

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_MZ_engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_VZ_engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_engine

2GRFE - 289hp on 87 octane.. 3.5L v6 lol <<< what I want rofl

this engine can be mated with the E153

2GR on the left, 3MZ on the right

Yeah, I want that too !!!!!

edit:

225's should be way better than my 195's - if I had money left I would get myself some rims + tires

This post has been edited by K-ESD: Aug 28, 2006 - 4:56 PM

[jdg371]

weve been talking bout it.. hehe and I will have it!!!!

[K-ESD]

and I will seek that you get it. I want to see it done !

This post has been edited by K-ESD: Aug 28, 2006 - 5:02 PM

[Cuttyman9]

I realize this is an old thread I felt compelled to comment

Now days those 1mz's are everywhere, from my perspective it is the perfect swap. its lighter than a 3sgte, produces as much in all catagories and the biggest positive is that it should be easy to get BAR'd in cali because they are all newer than my car (1992 st184)
I located an E52, I'll be working toward swapping that soon. I'm still piecing together info on what this swap requires in a 5th gen body and the main issue: what needs to change with the wiring.


oh and this is proof that the MZ v6 is stout and capable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNWbZ53_CZo

[kurt95gt]

There's a couple of us that have done the swap more reascently that shows a lot of the info here is out of date

[Smaay]

Kurt and myself have done this swap. look at the details in my thread because im in CA also and have to get the vehicle inspected. it will be much easier for you since you are installing it in a 5th gen.

[bnr32celica]

yeah, a lot of these prices are way off.

Also, much of the info here has been superceded.

I'm also doing the swap as well.