My WRX STI Experience, kinda long, possibly worth the read? Options

[bloodrain]

well, yesterday I was talking on the iwsti.com forum and there are a few people who live around my area with them. I finally got one of the guys to hang out with (his name is David, and hes mad cool) so we meet up at Target, talk about cars for about 30 mins and then 6 more sti's pull up. So they are all talking about turbo this, awd that, and they want to go driving. So I leave my car at Target and jump in the sexy blue and gold STI. While he is driving he tells me "hey reach under the seat and grab the bag for me," so without hesitation I start to reach and I hear a sound that is similar to a million bats excaping from hell, while im being flung back into the seat and just figuring out there is no bag under the seat I think to myself, man, I gotta get one of these. After hitting the seat with an ungodly force I hear "sorry, I do that to everyone" and I start laughing and call him an ass. Then he says "wanna give it a test drive" needless to say I was a bit nervous but somehow I manage to get out "sure why not." So we all pull over by TY park and we switch seats. Then I hear someone from the unholy shiny black STI infront of me "have you ever drove an STi before" I answer no. He then ask's if I ever drove an EVO, I answer "no," he then warns me "put your seat belt on and unleash the power how Thor into your hands to hang on." Im thinkin, 'ya, sure thing... psycho...' at this point I listen to him and put my seat belt on, look around for a bit and finally get a clear spot with no traffic. This is where the fun starts... As I put it into gear and start to ease off the clutch, I have a million things runnin through my mind and Im nervous as hell now. As im letting the clutch out I feel like it needs more gas so now im at about 2.2k rpms and the car starts to move forward. Im now rolling at about 5 mph and decide to let the clutch completly out, bad move. To keep the car from stalling I had to give it more gas, so now im at 3k rpms, and then... the turbo kicks in... the sound was all to familar as again I hear that sound of bats out of hell. A quick half second later I notice im redlining and quickly shift gears before David kicks my ass and I ruin his transmission. I shift into 2nd and am now cruising at a safe 2k rpms and notice the other STI guys are pretty far ahead of me again. So I give it some more gas and hit that magical 3.2k rpm's and feel the STI's best friend kick in again. So right before I hit 6k rpm I shift again and am now cruising at 30 mph in 3rd. I speed up again and am now in 4th just cruisin. Kick it up a bit, put it in 5th and notice the left turn arrow about 150 feet ahead of me turn yellow. Now I have a dilema, do I start my downshift into neutral and stop at the light, or downshift into 4th and gun it... Well, considering it wasnt my car, I decided to neutral it. David notices me getting on the brake and he says "GUN IT!!" a split second later im in 4th watching the tach climb higher and higher, as I start my turn I now realize why Mr.Black STI mentioned Thor earlier. So as a magical lightning bolt comes from the sky and runs through my body I grib the wheel like my hands were welded down to the steering wheel. While turning the corner I notice I dont hear much, no tires squeeling, no chirping, nothing. Just a spooling turbo, a screaming engine, and my pulse thumping inside my head. As I ease off the gas finishing the corner I upshift back into 5th, I felt like punching it and seeing what this bad boy could really do, but my instincts got the better of me and said no considering there was a fire station not to far ahead of me. So low and behold I let off the gas a bit and go past a nice looking crown victoria with a pig sitting inside of it. So as I hit the light on Sterling and 441 we do a chinese fire drill and im now back into the passenger seat. We all pull into McDonalds on Sheridan, talk for a while and then head back to target. After I thank him for letting me drive the ungodly car everyone leaves and Im walking to my car thinking 'man, I've GOT to get one...'

After this 'test drive' I've decided to get my celica painted and sold. So hopefully In about 4 months I will be driving a new '06 STI. Dont worry though I will still be lurking around the 6gc.net forums.

This post has been edited by bloodrain: Feb 23, 2006 - 4:40 PM

[brianforster]

that story is right along with the supra owner who had ET in his car

[OrbitalGT95]

ya i've been in a couple sti..there are pretty cool...but personally..i'd rather take the 30k there are worth, buy my 89 240 over again and put an rb26dett in it..up grade the turbos injectors..tranny, axles everhting and have a close 240 the would go pee pee on everhting in the street...but back on topic, yeah sti's are cool in there own way...good luck getting one man

[celica47]

lol damn man, hell of a story... Yeah STI and WRX's are so clean and fast. Good luck if you can get one.

[bloodrain]

that story is right along with the supra owner who had ET in his car

sorry I lied. Thor really didnt hit me with a lightning bolt.

[boosted_K2]

not too bad! you have a pretty good story telling ability, i was definatly interested enough to read through the whole thing... which is quite a feat because i usually end up skimming long stories. very cool though, good luck goin for the STi its a great choice, though i would recommend a test drive in an EVO just so you figure out which one you like better

its REALLY crazy to think about the first experience i had in my turbo MR2... it was a similar type of thing, but i was test driving the car i would eventually purchase.

[Supersprynt]

Nice!

Except throwing it into neutral and doing a what I like to call "naked stop" instead of downshifting isnt something Id do.

[TheStreetzKing]

yea man i drove in an sti the other day, 06 brand new white, god i fell in love.. i told myself thats the next car i buy

[playr158]

STi's are fun...not all you make it out to be though lol
i've autox'd 2 of them before and driven my lil sis's normal wrx...with the right parts they are great....but not ungodly glad you like it but umm stay away from the brand new ones they look like crap...get the first body

[bloodrain]

not too bad! you have a pretty good story telling ability, i was definatly interested enough to read through the whole thing... which is quite a feat because i usually end up skimming long stories. very cool though, good luck goin for the STi its a great choice, though i would recommend a test drive in an EVO just so you figure out which one you like better

its REALLY crazy to think about the first experience i had in my turbo MR2... it was a similar type of thing, but i was test driving the car i would eventually purchase.

the main reason I want an STI over the Evo is because I've been search evom.net and iwsti.com for the past 4 months. All I see on Evom.net is dealer horror stories and bad syncros. While the STI forum does have some bad issues, its just not nearly as bad (from what I've been able to research) as the warranty problems from the dealer. I have yet to see 1 good comment on the evom forum about the dealers, and im not a fan of mitsu.

STi's are fun...not all you make it out to be though lol
i've autox'd 2 of them before and driven my lil sis's normal wrx...with the right parts they are great....but not ungodly glad you like it but umm stay away from the brand new ones they look like crap...get the first body

and the reason I used ungodly was because I just got done driving my little automatic GT. Automatic 120hp Vs. 6 speed, 300 hp. The difference hits you like a pillow filled with bricks.

[Jeremy1210]

I sat in them at the Detroit car show. I was really unimpressed with the interior. I mean for 30K sure you got a go fast car, but I thought the interior looked cheap and it felt cramped on the inside.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I would like see compare a swapped Celica to an STi and see how that turns out. I'm on that kick right now, because I'm thinking about keeping the Celica agian. Can the little Toyota 2.0 turbo run with the new Subaru 2.5 turbo? I bet it could at least run with the regular 2.0 WRX's.

[lagos]

great story, reminds me of the first time i drove a turbo car, and now the daily adventures in my own turbo. there really is something magical about the power of a turbo charger!

i really like the 05 STIs and would love to have a blue and gold one. the only thing that bugs me is that the price is pretty high for a subaru. last time i went to check out an 06, they wanted 34k for it. if you break something like that down into monthly payments, its around 600-700 a month ....ouch.

I would like see compare a swapped Celica to an STi and see how that turns out. I'm on that kick right now, because I'm thinking about keeping the Celica agian. Can the little Toyota 2.0 turbo run with the new Subaru 2.5 turbo? I bet it could at least run with the regular 2.0 WRX's.

i remember dave (dg performance) telling me that he beat an sti in his swap. i never got the chance to run one. as far as the normal wrx, the swap will defintly beat that. the only thing you have to remember is that awd always has the advantage from a dead stop, while fwd will do better from a roll.

[bloodrain]

great story, reminds me of the first time i drove a turbo car, and now the daily adventures in my own turbo. there really is something magical about the power of a turbo charger!

i really like the 05 STIs and would love to have a blue and gold one. the only thing that bugs me is that the price is pretty high for a subaru. last time i went to check out an 06, they wanted 34k for it. if you break something like that down into monthly payments, its around 600-700 a month ....ouch.

Im planning on buying an 06' when the 07's start to come out, because you can pick up an 05' with only 5k miles for 27k. Thats 7k off for a barely used car. So like i said, wait half a year and save $7k

[BBoYRuGGeD]

I would like see compare a swapped Celica to an STi and see how that turns out. I'm on that kick right now, because I'm thinking about keeping the Celica agian. Can the little Toyota 2.0 turbo run with the new Subaru 2.5 turbo? I bet it could at least run with the regular 2.0 WRX's.

well i've never raced an STi but i've raced plenty of WRXs. while i was still on stock 8 lbs of boost i would win against my friends unmodified 06 WRX (rated at 235hp) by a little from a rolling start of 20-25mph. obviously when i started boosting higher (10psi) id get him by a car length when i get up to 4th gear and widen the gap at 5th. he's got some mods now and i need to get my lazy a$$ off this computer seat to make a FCD so i can boost higher than 10lbs b4 our next race

blood great story bud

note: b4 anyone says anything...i race only friends on isolated streets at very late hours of the night.

bboy

[bloodrain]

i have another story, it involves me, my employee and his 4 cyl. 90 horsepower suzuki swift. But I doubt alot of people would like me to type that up. lol. It was just good clean fun trying to get used to starting on hills going uphill.

[lil_lissa]

right before i came across my celica for sale, i was playing with the idea of getting an STi and went to a dealership one day. i told the salesman what i was looking for, he happened to have sold a car to my dad at a different dealership a few years back so he handed over the keys and said here ya go... i couldn't believe he let a 19 yr old girl take out a turbo car.. lol it was awesome, i went on the highway, ripped it up, it was fun... it wasn't AS FUN as i thought it would be... but it was definitely fun

[Celica_Kid95st]

I would like see compare a swapped Celica to an STi and see how that turns out. I'm on that kick right now, because I'm thinking about keeping the Celica agian. Can the little Toyota 2.0 turbo run with the new Subaru 2.5 turbo? I bet it could at least run with the regular 2.0 WRX's.

DG Performance's friend has a sick STi and they talked about racing. Not sure if they ever did. Ill have to ask him. His friend might have gotten rid of it tho. Ill let u guys no.

[OrbitalGT95]

I would like see compare a swapped Celica to an STi and see how that turns out. I'm on that kick right now, because I'm thinking about keeping the Celica agian. Can the little Toyota 2.0 turbo run with the new Subaru 2.5 turbo? I bet it could at least run with the regular 2.0 WRX's.

DG Performance's friend has a sick STi and they talked about racing. Not sure if they ever did. Ill have to ask him. His friend might have gotten rid of it tho. Ill let u guys no.

ya dave and henry raced..dave won and henry traded the sti for a turbo rx7

[BBoYRuGGeD]

I would like see compare a swapped Celica to an STi and see how that turns out. I'm on that kick right now, because I'm thinking about keeping the Celica agian. Can the little Toyota 2.0 turbo run with the new Subaru 2.5 turbo? I bet it could at least run with the regular 2.0 WRX's.

DG Performance's friend has a sick STi and they talked about racing. Not sure if they ever did. Ill have to ask him. His friend might have gotten rid of it tho. Ill let u guys no.

ya dave and henry raced..dave won and henry traded the sti for a turbo rx7

lol

bboy

[97sccelica]

yea, fun car. to bad the 06's are so ugly(not that the 04/05's are much better looking) its a shame that they(STI's) are hyped up so much as well.

the STI 6spd is the only mechanical aspect that the STI has over the EVO(which handles better and makes more power with less money). the transmission is simply amazing. i dont like the gearing much, but it wont break.

I have said this before and I will say it again, the only problem with buying a used STI/WRX/EVO is that people like me own them. they mod them to all hell, then put the car back to stock when it comes time to sell it.

im pretty happy with my WRX, cant beat $900 a year for insurance, and STI guys get pretty upset when they realize my car is faster than theirs and im still running a stock turbo

[StreetRacing10PS...]

their must have been some stuff done to that STI. my friend has a 2004 STI with a full exhaust and upgraded throttle body and this other kid i know has a 2003 Evo 8 stock and the evo all ways wins. ill admit the STI's are fast but i wouldnt really want one. plus their is a ton of turbo lag on them, they usually dont spool untill around 4K RPM.

[OrbitalGT95]

yea, fun car. to bad the 06's are so ugly(not that the 04/05's are much better looking) its a shame that they(STI's) are hyped up so much as well.

the STI 6spd is the only mechanical aspect that the STI has over the EVO(which handles better and makes more power with less money). the transmission is simply amazing. i dont like the gearing much, but it wont break.

I have said this before and I will say it again, the only problem with buying a used STI/WRX/EVO is that people like me own them. they mod them to all hell, then put the car back to stock when it comes time to sell it.

im pretty happy with my WRX, cant beat $900 a year for insurance, and STI guys get pretty upset when they realize my car is faster than theirs and im still running a stock turbo

actually the sti has one more thing over the evo..it as all time awd...which u prob know..all fours wheels put power down..when in the evo only the front left and rear right..or vis versa..(cant remember) put the power down...also one thing the sti has that i absolutly love is that u can control the power distrabution over the 4 wheels..have 50% up front and 50% in the rear..or my personal favorite 20% up front, and 80% in the rear

[97sccelica]

their must have been some stuff done to that STI. my friend has a 2004 STI with a full exhaust and upgraded throttle body and this other kid i know has a 2003 Evo 8 stock and the evo all ways wins. ill admit the STI's are fast but i wouldnt really want one. plus their is a ton of turbo lag on them, they usually dont spool untill around 4K RPM.

for 1, a stock 2003 evo is not faster than a stock STI(they are neck and neck). 2, an STI with full exhaust is definately faster than a stock 2003 evo. your friend in the STI cant drive

also, the STI's are drive by wire, i highly doubt any company makes an upgraded throttle body, besides, its pretty damn big to begin with.

and well, your just plain wrong about the spooling at 4k rpm. my wrx has a 2.0l engine, i have the dinky ass stock turbo which has to work very hard to fill a turbo xs fmic, yet i still have full boost at about 3k(which is where they hit it stock) an sti with the bigger engine, AVCS, and the stock TMIC spools faster than a stock WRX and makes a lot of torque below 4krpm

actually the sti has one more thing over the evo..it as all time awd...which u prob know..all fours wheels put power down..when in the evo only the front left and rear right..or vis versa..(cant remember) put the power down...also one thing the sti has that i absolutly love is that u can control the power distrabution over the 4 wheels..have 50% up front and 50% in the rear..or my personal favorite 20% up front, and 80% in the rear

its actually 35% front, 65% rear to 50/50 split

and my car has that now

my buddy just got a 2006 evo 9, its a great car and it has ACD, which is similar to my DCCD, only u have to select from 3 modes where mine is adjustable. but yea, power distribution in an evo is all computer controlled.

[Negative]

I test drove a STI when I traded my '95 Celica. I know this sounds weird but I was so spoiled by my Celica's handling (mainly the lack of body roll while cornering) that I felt the STI was just too sloppy for me. I liked the power alot but I've owned a swapped Celica before and I figured it would be better in the long run to get as new a 6th gen as possible and swap it.
I also test drove a 7th gen GTS but same as the STI - I just thought it felt "cheap" - not as well constructed as the 6th gens.
just my .02

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I test drove a STI when I traded my '95 Celica. I know this sounds weird but I was so spoiled by my Celica's handling (mainly the lack of body roll while cornering) that I felt the STI was just too sloppy for me. I liked the power alot but I've owned a swapped Celica before and I figured it would be better in the long run to get as new a 6th gen as possible and swap it.
I also test drove a 7th gen GTS but same as the STI - I just thought it felt "cheap" - not as well constructed as the 6th gens.
just my .02

The only think I've driven that felt better was a VW. And the quality and solidness of those cars puts ours to shame. I drove an 05 Golf GTi.

[95CelicaST]

I test drove an 02 WRX a few months back. It was slightly moded. Perrin hoses, FMIC, STi pinks and a stage 2 clutch. It was nice. Held the road 10X better than the Celi. I got on the highway and the next thing I knew I was doing about 95. doesn't even feel like accelerating (probably a bad thing) The only thing I am weary about when it comes to Subarus is the leaky cam seals and transfer case seals, and the squishy trucker-like shifter. My mom had her 99 Legacy GT in a shop (not a dealership) and she was quoted 600 bucks to fix her cam seals and another 400 for the transfer case. But Subaru's sound so mean with the Scoobyworld Afterburner Vortex exhaust. RAWR

[lagos]

95CelicaST

dont feel bad... my mom just took her 03 toyota matrix to get a radiator replaced. they quoted her 750$ .... subaru service dep is starting to sound like a good deal to me.

[bloodrain]

HA, your wrong in 1 thing, its 49/51 diff. not 50/50, lol

This post has been edited by bloodrain: Feb 25, 2006 - 11:53 AM

[StreetRacing10PS...]

for 1, a stock 2003 evo is not faster than a stock STI(they are neck and neck).

i thought the evo puts out more boost stock.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

for 1, a stock 2003 evo is not faster than a stock STI(they are neck and neck).

i thought the evo puts out more boost stock.

Boost isn't always hp, you know that. Those srt-4s put out something like 16psi, and they can't even imagin holding with an Evo or STi stock.

[creamed_corn]

for 1, a stock 2003 evo is not faster than a stock STI(they are neck and neck).

i thought the evo puts out more boost stock.

Boost isn't always hp, you know that. Those srt-4s put out something like 16psi, and they can't even imagin holding with an Evo or STi stock.

The reason the SRT-4 can't keep up has nothing to do with raw horsepower. The power it makes at the crank is almost identical to the EVO8.

I test drove a STI when I traded my '95 Celica. I know this sounds weird but I was so spoiled by my Celica's handling (mainly the lack of body roll while cornering) that I felt the STI was just too sloppy for me. I liked the power alot but I've owned a swapped Celica before and I figured it would be better in the long run to get as new a 6th gen as possible and swap it.
I also test drove a 7th gen GTS but same as the STI - I just thought it felt "cheap" - not as well constructed as the 6th gens.
just my .02

The only think I've driven that felt better was a VW. And the quality and solidness of those cars puts ours to shame. I drove an 05 Golf GTi.

I'm not impressed with pre-2000 VW's. I drove around a passat GLI VR6 for a while. It seems like volkswagen really watered that car down to make it more friendly. The steering was loose, the shifter was clunky, the ride was too forgiving... not my taste. The VR6 engine, on the other hand, is a work of art. Definitely on my "top five favorite engines" list.

This post has been edited by creamed_corn: Feb 25, 2006 - 2:23 PM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

The reason the SRT-4 can't keep up has nothing to do with raw horsepower. The power it makes at the crank is almost identical to the EVO8.

Enlighten me please. 276 hp and 286 lb-ft. Evo8, and 230 hp and 250 ft-lb for the SRT-4. Those are the numbers I got from a 3min search. First sites I came too.
How does the srt-4 have the same hp as an Evo8? And then, how come they can't run with them if they do?

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Feb 25, 2006 - 2:53 PM

[bloodrain]

The reason the SRT-4 can't keep up has nothing to do with raw horsepower. The power it makes at the crank is almost identical to the EVO8.

Enlighten me please. 276 hp and 286 lb-ft. Evo8, and 230 hp and 250 ft-lb for the SRT-4. Those are the numbers I got from a 3min search. First sites I came too.
How does the srt-4 have the same hp as an Evo8? And then, how come they can't run with them if they do?

from a roll, the srt-4 wont be far behind stock for stock. Now $3000 worth of mods for the srt-4 and you can outrun an evo from a roll. He also said at the crank, the numbers u posted are at the wheels. Also the 2 cars have VERY different gearing and transmissions.

[creamed_corn]

The reason the SRT-4 can't keep up has nothing to do with raw horsepower. The power it makes at the crank is almost identical to the EVO8.

Enlighten me please. 276 hp and 286 lb-ft. Evo8, and 230 hp and 250 ft-lb for the SRT-4. Those are the numbers I got from a 3min search. First sites I came too.
How does the srt-4 have the same hp as an Evo8? And then, how come they can't run with them if they do?

Do a little more research. Dodge rated the SRT4 at the wheels. People are dynoing them at anywhere from 225-235hp and 245-265 ft-lbs at the wheels STOCK.

[StreetRacing10PS...]

its 3:50AM and i just came back from the street races in south philly and their were a ton of evos and STI's and they kept paring them up and the evos kept winning, even when they were both stock. my opinion, evos are better. not saying anything bad about the STi, still a good car but evos still my favorite. plus the 06 STIs are hiddious.

[lagos]

its 3:50AM and i just came back from the street races in south philly and their were a ton of evos and STI's and they kept paring them up and the evos kept winning, even when they were both stock. my opinion, evos are better. not saying anything bad about the STi, still a good car but evos still my favorite. plus the 06 STIs are hiddious.

where in exactly philly ?

[creamed_corn]

its 3:50AM and i just came back from the street races in south philly and their were a ton of evos and STI's and they kept paring them up and the evos kept winning, even when they were both stock. my opinion, evos are better. not saying anything bad about the STi, still a good car but evos still my favorite. plus the 06 STIs are hiddious.

where in exactly philly ?

Hahaha, you wanna get in on it.

"It's just stock, guys..."

[StreetRacing10PS...]

its 3:50AM and i just came back from the street races in south philly and their were a ton of evos and STI's and they kept paring them up and the evos kept winning, even when they were both stock. my opinion, evos are better. not saying anything bad about the STi, still a good car but evos still my favorite. plus the 06 STIs are hiddious.

where in exactly philly ?

one spot is on holsteine and 78th i belive. and the other is at a hess gas station on the corner of 68th. its right off exit 14 off I95

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

The reason the SRT-4 can't keep up has nothing to do with raw horsepower. The power it makes at the crank is almost identical to the EVO8.

Enlighten me please. 276 hp and 286 lb-ft. Evo8, and 230 hp and 250 ft-lb for the SRT-4. Those are the numbers I got from a 3min search. First sites I came too.
How does the srt-4 have the same hp as an Evo8? And then, how come they can't run with them if they do?

from a roll, the srt-4 wont be far behind stock for stock. Now $3000 worth of mods for the srt-4 and you can outrun an evo from a roll. He also said at the crank, the numbers u posted are at the wheels. Also the 2 cars have VERY different gearing and transmissions.

I don't doubt that the SRT-4 is fast. I bet with $3000 or a little more worth of mods, from what I hear, they could run with an Evo8. All you would need is a wide set of tires and the right suspension, and you could hold from the line. I just don't understand why the SRT-4 doesn't get any more attention. I do need to do a little more research on it. That's why I was asking though, I'd like to know more. And if both those numbers I posted were at the wheels, the Evo is still 46hp up on the SRT-4.

[Driveby]

My granny can gun a car in a straight line, the fun in turbo awd cars is in the corners, thats where these beasts man up.
If I didnt have my GT4, Id get an EVO, STI/WRX are sooooooo common.

[Illyont]

I just drove a 2003 WRX STi (JDM) last friday, and I have to agree with the thread starter on alot of things. The car had 280 hp (compared to the 230-ish on regular STi's) because it's a JDM version. It also had alot of fancy stuff that's not normally found on european STi's. It has the 2.0 engine though, and not the 2.5 found in the US (and in Eu from 06 and on).

The car had IC water spray, adjustable diffs, full recaro bucket seats, a new intake and exhaust, new gauges+++. It was of course a right hand drive, but after like 10 corners that was just like driving a left hand drive.

Almost everything on the JDM STi is better than a US or Eu version. And compared to a normal Eu STi this car was a beast. I have two friends who own STi's. They work really well even without boost and I could drive without problems in fifth where I usually have to use fourth in my Audi. This is because the STi have a six gear tranny though, so the fifth is kinda like my fourth.. But also because the two cars can't be compared at all. 130 hp Audi A4 versus 2003 JDM STi with upgrades.

Anyway, my point is that those cars are really great. They are pricey, but they are worth it. A Celica GT-Four could probably beat one, but a 94 GT-Four vs. 2003-2006 STi.. What car will most likely last the next 10 years? You just can't ignore age on a car..

Btw; those cars cost _alot_ in Norway.. Closer to 87 000$ US.. So they are naturally very rare. The kids took out their cell phones and started filming us as we were driving past.. People turning their heads everywhere. It was fun And even though I was driving like 30 in a 45 nobody tried to drive past me They just formed a line behind me waiting..

[creamed_corn]

The reason the SRT-4 can't keep up has nothing to do with raw horsepower. The power it makes at the crank is almost identical to the EVO8.

Enlighten me please. 276 hp and 286 lb-ft. Evo8, and 230 hp and 250 ft-lb for the SRT-4. Those are the numbers I got from a 3min search. First sites I came too.
How does the srt-4 have the same hp as an Evo8? And then, how come they can't run with them if they do?

from a roll, the srt-4 wont be far behind stock for stock. Now $3000 worth of mods for the srt-4 and you can outrun an evo from a roll. He also said at the crank, the numbers u posted are at the wheels. Also the 2 cars have VERY different gearing and transmissions.

I don't doubt that the SRT-4 is fast. I bet with $3000 or a little more worth of mods, from what I hear, they could run with an Evo8. All you would need is a wide set of tires and the right suspension, and you could hold from the line. I just don't understand why the SRT-4 doesn't get any more attention. I do need to do a little more research on it. That's why I was asking though, I'd like to know more. And if both those numbers I posted were at the wheels, the Evo is still 46hp up on the SRT-4.

The SRT-4 in rated at the wheels, the EVO is rated at the crank. Factor in drivetrain loses and they're about equal (I wouldn't be suprised if the SRT-4 is a little more; I just don't know of anyone who has ever ripped the engine out and hooked it up to a dynometer).

[lazy]

bloorain i just had the same experince two days ago
I work at a mazda dealership
and they just brought us a brand new mazda 6 mps
for those who don`t know it`s a 2.3l turbo 4wd mazda 6 with 260bhp
my manager told me to take it out for test drive only to call 2 minutes later to tell me to take it to a car wash
besides that the car was great even better than the rx-8
4wd for life

[Illyont]

bloorain i just had the same experince two days ago
I work at a mazda dealership
and they just brought us a brand new mazda 6 mps
for those who don`t know it`s a 2.3l turbo 4wd mazda 6 with 260bhp
my manager told me to take it out for test drive only to call 2 minutes later to tell me to take it to a car wash
besides that the car was great even better than the rx-8
4wd for life

Doesn't the MPS have a 2.2 litre?

[97sccelica]

I don't doubt that the SRT-4 is fast. I bet with $3000 or a little more worth of mods, from what I hear, they could run with an Evo8. All you would need is a wide set of tires and the right suspension, and you could hold from the line. I just don't understand why the SRT-4 doesn't get any more attention. I do need to do a little more research on it. That's why I was asking though, I'd like to know more. And if both those numbers I posted were at the wheels, the Evo is still 46hp up on the SRT-4.

heh, $3k into an srt4?

do you have any idea what kind of powerhouse that would create?

they can be at 300whp and 350wtq with a couple hundred dollars in mods. that would be more than enough to easily beat a stock evo. lets not forget that stock, they put down almost the same power and that the SRT4 is a good bit lighter than an evo8

$3600 will get an AGP stage 4 kit on a srt4 and that thing will pump out 400hp to the wheels on pump gas.

This post has been edited by 97sccelica: Feb 27, 2006 - 1:23 PM

[Consynx]

I gotta go w/ Tim on this.
i saw the post and was like HOLY CRAP that is long, but I started to see where i needed to skim to.
definately sucked me in as i read the whole thing as well. well written. you should be a Mag writer

i was waiting for a part about being REAL jerky from the stop because of AWD + strong clutch

[StreetRacing10PS...]

My granny can gun a car in a straight line, the fun in turbo awd cars is in the corners, thats where these beasts man up.
If I didnt have my GT4, Id get an EVO, STI/WRX are sooooooo common.

agreed... you see more STI's out their then EVO's

[creamed_corn]

My granny can gun a car in a straight line, the fun in turbo awd cars is in the corners, thats where these beasts man up.
If I didnt have my GT4, Id get an EVO, STI/WRX are sooooooo common.

agreed... you see more STI's out their then EVO's

I'd take an evo over an STi anyday; even before the STi got hit with the ugly stick.

Then again I'd still rather have a RWD car with optional traction and stability control for inclement weather. Most AWD cars have the tendency to understeer. RWD really is the best way to go for all-around driving awesomeness.

[StreetRacing10PS...]

I'd take an evo over an STi anyday; even before the STi got hit with the ugly stick.

"beaten to death" is more like it. lol

[Consynx]

i think it's hawter

the WRX has always needed the WRC style hood stock though :\

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I'm looking into these srt-4s. I'm starting to like them. I just wish they came in a 2 door, and a little smaller.

[BBoYRuGGeD]

I'm looking into these srt-4s. I'm starting to like them. I just wish they came in a 2 door, and a little smaller.

i see alot in my area...theyre very fast but also high maintenance cars...just wanted to give u the heads-up warning before you purchase one a few owners some of 'em friends always complaining about repair costs specially on modded ones. tho stock maintenance isnt that bad.

bboy

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I'm looking into these srt-4s. I'm starting to like them. I just wish they came in a 2 door, and a little smaller.

i see alot in my area...theyre very fast but also high maintenance cars...just wanted to give u the heads-up warning before you purchase one a few owners some of 'em friends always complaining about repair costs specially on modded ones. tho stock maintenance isnt that bad.

bboy

Yeah, that was the first thing I thought about as soon as I considered it. I don't trust Dodge at all for reliability. I don't think I'll get one for that reason, but I'll at least look at them. STi's seem to better all around.

[lazy]

illyont the mps is 2.3l i have the specs in front of me and it's fast as hell not impreza or evo fast but fast enough

Doesn't the MPS have a 2.2 litre?