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[madmods]

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This post has been edited by madmods: Mar 28, 2006 - 5:51 AM

[presure2]

yes, it will fit.

[orvillescelica]

Ripps no longer makes the SC for the 5sfe. There was a resurgence of intrest in it about 6 months or so. I emailed and asked them about it. They said that when it was made, there was little interest in it, so they discontinued the program, but they could restart it if there were at least 5 people interested enough to put a down a downpayment.

[Sev408]

dont they want like 3k for the damn thing?? what a waste, im glad they got rid of the program.

[madmods]

Ripps no longer makes the SC for the 5sfe. There was a resurgence of intrest in it about 6 months or so. I emailed and asked them about it. They said that when it was made, there was little interest in it, so they discontinued the program, but they could restart it if there were at least 5 people interested enough to put a down a downpayment.

I don't actually think they ever really made the kit for the 6th. I am buying the camry kit. I just need the stage one, I can upgrade it later when I do a rebuild or buy a newer engine. Should be a simple swap to
from camry to celica. I'm not after crazy horsepower at the moment. I'm happy with 190-225 I did aome research into it, and the install seems do-able. I'll keep everybody posted.

[lagos]

I'm not after crazy horsepower at the moment. I'm happy with 190-225

you do realize that is 100% more power then the motor does stock, right? i just think its funny when people say they dont want a lot of HP, and then say they want to doubble their current output. thats a lot of power and a big goal !

[playr158]

art...manny makes that much...

and rippmods is a full copmlete kit with everything needed

plus i met one of their sponsered cars with a stage 3 in a 3rd gen eclipse...when i met her it was competing for worlds fastest 3rd gen eclipse

[madmods]

in't this the sme amount of horsepower you get with 5-7 pounds of boost with a 5sfte? I don't know what my car puts out stock, I'd like to do a pre dyno run and a compression check after I get my clutch put in. My motor has some mileage on it so I'm going to baby it till I can buy another one, or get a rebuild.

[playr158]

SC boost is bigger then turbo boost

so a higher turbo psi = lower SC psi

[madmods]

I thought Shin made like 225 after his first dyno run?

[lagos]

art...manny makes that much...

lol, i know how much manny makes.
im not saying what can be done or cant. just trying to say that its silly to say you only want a mild power gain, when in fact you are looking to doubble the power level the motor was built for from the factory.

[madmods]

art...manny makes that much...

lol, i know how much manny makes.
im not saying what can be done or cant. just trying to say that its silly to say you only want a mild power gain, when in fact you are looking to doubble the power level the motor was built for from the factory.

I consider 190-225 a mild power gain. Its 255-325 I consider extreme. Sure I would like to have alot of power one day, but it takes money for a rebuild and forged parts. It will happen, I see what it did to Manny

[gt_driFFter]

art...manny makes that much...

lol, i know how much manny makes.
im not saying what can be done or cant. just trying to say that its silly to say you only want a mild power gain, when in fact you are looking to doubble the power level the motor was built for from the factory.

lagos, what are you talking about?

"I'm not after crazy horsepower at the moment."

He never said anything about how much gain he wanted, just that he wasn't looking for a HUGE AMOUNT of horsepower. And I think everyone will agree that 190-225 is usually not considered "crazy horsepower".

[elvasoshexai]

190-225 to the wheels or crank?

cuz i think i remember reading somewhere that the rippmods site has some discrepancies about the 5s sc... something like on the product page it shows whp when it's actually @ the crank...

[lagos]

And I think everyone will agree that 190-225 is usually not considered "crazy horsepower".

it IS crazy horsepower for a high compression, ecnomy, motor with bone stock internals and a factory ecu.

its kind of like saying you want to take a bone stock 300hp STI, and make a mild 600hp out of it. thats doubble what it was ever built to do.

i think people make a mistake when they dont think about what motor they are starting from and just think about wheel power or psi. you should look at it in terms of % above what the stock motor was built to do. a mild gain would be 10-50% of what the stock motor was built for. while an extreme gain would be 80% and up.

[playr158]

meh thats baby hp to me

[nik]

And I think everyone will agree that 190-225 is usually not considered "crazy horsepower".

it IS crazy horsepower for a high compression, ecnomy, motor with bone stock internals and a factory ecu.

its kind of like saying you want to take a bone stock 300hp STI, and make a mild 600hp out of it. thats doubble what it was ever built to do.

i think people make a mistake when they dont think about what motor they are starting from and just think about wheel power or psi. you should look at it in terms of % above what the stock motor was built to do. a mild gain would be 10-50% of what the stock motor was built for. while an extreme gain would be 80% and up.

this is very true look at the 7afte running a 170 whp over the stock 92 whp this big gain. Even if i only hit 350 whp on the 7agte thats 258 whp over stock that 3+ times more power than it started with. 200 whp my not seem like alot with super cars running around with 600 700 1000 horse but most of those cars started at 250-300 horse so there only doing what we did doubling our horse power with some exclustions like supra's with 1000 plus whp. But on our little cars and unknown motors ans no factory support i think we did very well. Its big i think 250whp is perfect for daily driven celica its more power than the celica needs but thats me but nice to have if you need it on the highway traction is always a factory in FWD cars always will be i think that point is aroun the 250whp point after that its useless power until you get traction like in the upper gears like when on the high way or toward the middle end of the 1/4 mile

This post has been edited by nik: Feb 22, 2006 - 5:39 PM

[lagos]

And I think everyone will agree that 190-225 is usually not considered "crazy horsepower".

it IS crazy horsepower for a high compression, ecnomy, motor with bone stock internals and a factory ecu.

its kind of like saying you want to take a bone stock 300hp STI, and make a mild 600hp out of it. thats doubble what it was ever built to do.

i think people make a mistake when they dont think about what motor they are starting from and just think about wheel power or psi. you should look at it in terms of % above what the stock motor was built to do. a mild gain would be 10-50% of what the stock motor was built for. while an extreme gain would be 80% and up.

this is very true look at the 7afte running a 170 whp over the stock 92 whp is big gain
even if i only hit 350 whp on the 7agte thats 258 whp over stock that 3+ times more than it started with
200 whp my not seem like alot with super cars running around with 600 700 1000 horse but on our little cars and unknow motors its big i think 250whp is perfect for daily drive celica its more power than the celica needs but thats me

finally somone who understands what im trying to say.

[nik]

too bad my grammer sucks i fixed it and added some:laugh:

This post has been edited by nik: Feb 22, 2006 - 5:39 PM

[Kwanza26]

finally somone who understands what im trying to say.

I understand too... but goddamn people aren't gonna listen or open their minds to understand... so why bother? I'm willing to bet a vast majority of the 'future' swappers have NEVER driven a lightweight 200whp+ car... so they can say 'mild' all they want. There's nothing mild about 195-225 hp in a 2500 pounds car.

[nik]

finally somone who understands what im trying to say.

I understand too... but goddamn people aren't gonna listen or open their minds to understand... so why bother? I'm willing to bet a vast majority of the 'future' swappers have NEVER driven a lightweight 200whp+ car... so they can say 'mild' all they want. There's nothing mild about 195-225 hp in a 2500 pounds car.

thats why a crx with 200 whp can smoke alot of cars its not all about the power and traction thats a big part too but wieght is huge also

thats the nice thing about some hondas the weight
same with a corolla ae86 light so put a little power behind it and wow
i have have driven both a AE86 turbo and CRX with a b16 that was built N/A ran 12's i would love to have both cars

[dlx742]

finally somone who understands what im trying to say.

I understand too... but goddamn people aren't gonna listen or open their minds to understand... so why bother? I'm willing to bet a vast majority of the 'future' swappers have NEVER driven a lightweight 200whp+ car... so they can say 'mild' all they want. There's nothing mild about 195-225 hp in a 2500 pounds car.

thats why a crx with 200 whp can smoke alot of cars its not all about the power and traction thats a big part too but wieght is huge also

thats the nice thing about some hondas the weight
same with a corolla ae86 light so put a little power behind it and wow
i have have driven both a AE86 turbo and CRX with a b16 that was built N/A ran 12's i would love to have both cars

so true. just to further back this claim up. in the sticky about the 5sfte it says that a turbo 5s celica will be just about as fast as a mustang gt. mustang gt's have around 300 hp and 290 ft lb of torque. thats about 100 more than the celica but they are just as fast as one another.... however the celica weighs a lot less so its just as fast with 1/3 less power. the important part is the power to weight ratio, not just the raw power.

[dustin15brown]

i'd be more than pleased with 200 whp.... and even better with nik's 350 hp BEAST

[orvillescelica]

Ripps no longer makes the SC for the 5sfe. There was a resurgence of intrest in it about 6 months or so. I emailed and asked them about it. They said that when it was made, there was little interest in it, so they discontinued the program, but they could restart it if there were at least 5 people interested enough to put a down a downpayment.

I don't actually think they ever really made the kit for the 6th. I am buying the camry kit. I just need the stage one, I can upgrade it later when I do a rebuild or buy a newer engine. Should be a simple swap to
from camry to celica. I'm not after crazy horsepower at the moment. I'm happy with 190-225 I did aome research into it, and the install seems do-able. I'll keep everybody posted.

Sorry to say, but i was talking about the camry kit. The camry kit was for the 5sfe and was meant to also fit on the celica. Problem is that they never test fitted it on a celica, though they were 99% sure it was going to fit ok. This is why they never listed it as a kit for the celica, since they wanted to test fit it first. Anyway, sorry for the bad news. I tried to rally up some support and get 5 people to put a downpayment so they would restart the program, but no one was interested.

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=29967&hl=

[madmods]

I decided to go with the stage 3 kit. 225 hp is just not enough for me. Im looking for at least 275-325. Im used to flying around here in the desert at 180 mph + on my cbr 954. Superior Racing Development in Tempe webpage will handle the rebuild, I want to do the s/c install

This post has been edited by madmods: Feb 23, 2006 - 1:16 AM

[lagos]

I decided to go with the stage 3 kit. 225 hp is just not enough for me. Im looking for at least 275-325. Im used to flying around here in the desert at 180 mph + on my cbr 954. Superior Racing Development in Tempe webpage will handle the rebuild, I want to do the s/c install

madmods, buddy.... you and i need to go for a little ride....

[presure2]

I decided to go with the stage 3 kit. 225 hp is just not enough for me. Im looking for at least 275-325. Im used to flying around here in the desert at 180 mph + on my cbr 954. Superior Racing Development in Tempe webpage will handle the rebuild, I want to do the s/c install

mad, if youve actually decided to do this, i have a line of advice for you.
spend as much money as you can afford to in the head, thats where youll make the power.
the bottom end is easy( rods and pistons are no biggie), and the block is strong. your biggest hurdle engine wise will be the head.
your best bet IMO would be to go NUTS on the head, OS valves, throat correction, port and polish, cams, ect ect.. run a middle of the road compression # like 9:1
and run a full stand alone engine management like the AEM or whatever.

[playr158]

manny it comes with a ecu

[presure2]

manny it comes with a ecu

true dan, but that is a piggy back, thats made to run theyre settings on a close, or close to stock car.
if your gonna up the VE of the motor with the kinda headwork im talking about, theyre tune becomes usless.

[orvillescelica]

madmods, you should really give Ripp a call or email to confirm that they do have the kit around. Like i said above, when i contacted them last october they said they had discontinued the entire 5sfe program with no plans of putting it back in production.

If you want to try and get them to restart it in a grop buy situation like they asked, pm me as i might be interested.

[nik]

just call and see you can track down a blower atleast see if they have one or can get one thats sittting on a shelf somewhere

[celi_gt_racer]

wow... this thread is back from teh grave! so has someone finally decided to go through w/ this s/c idea? glad to know it's getting some serious consideration

[madmods]

madmods, you should really give Ripp a call or email to confirm that they do have the kit around. Like i said above, when i contacted them last october they said they had discontinued the entire 5sfe program with no plans of putting it back in production.

If you want to try and get them to restart it in a grop buy situation like they asked, pm me as i might be interested.

Im trying to get one sourced from them at the moment. the sales guy said he hasn't seen a kit for months
but theres parts laying everywhere. Ha wish me luck. I'm not going to pay over 4000 though. If they do it for 3400 Im cool with that. Moneys burning a hole in my pocket because some guitars on ebay are calling my name.

[madmods]

I decided to go with the stage 3 kit. 225 hp is just not enough for me. Im looking for at least 275-325. Im used to flying around here in the desert at 180 mph + on my cbr 954. Superior Racing Development in Tempe webpage will handle the rebuild, I want to do the s/c install

mad, if youve actually decided to do this, i have a line of advice for you.
spend as much money as you can afford to in the head, thats where youll make the power.
the bottom end is easy( rods and pistons are no biggie), and the block is strong. your biggest hurdle engine wise will be the head.
your best bet IMO would be to go NUTS on the head, OS valves, throat correction, port and polish, cams, ect ect.. run a middle of the road compression # like 9:1
and run a full stand alone engine management like the AEM or whatever.

What are some rod choices out there manny? What are they made out of? Im in no hurry to get the car running, so I can put a little bit of money into it at the moment. Im real concerned about the bottom end. Buying a 2nd car was probably the best thing I did. I'm trying to balance all this with the bodywork, brake upgrade, paint, moving and my girlfriend nagging. man I got to get back on the pipe!

[brianforster]

the same things have been said about that kit ever since i joined this site, i dont think ANYONE in the world ever has put that on a 6gc

the thread comes up about once every 6 months or so, theres plenty of shady things with that kit.

like the rising rate fuel regulator thing, atleast i think thats what my friend said, he says companies usually throw things like that in their packages to compensate for sloppy programming. if someone coudl elaborate on this let me know, im not ENTIRELY knowledgable but i remember him telling me about it after reading the kit.

[Predator]

S/C'd celica > guitars on ebay

This post has been edited by Predator: Feb 23, 2006 - 7:05 PM

[elvasoshexai]

i thought the last time this topic was discussed a stage 1 kit cost 3500 which was why nobody wanted it?

[madmods]

the same things have been said about that kit ever since i joined this site, i dont think ANYONE in the world ever has put that on a 6gc

the thread comes up about once every 6 months or so, theres plenty of shady things with that kit.

like the rising rate fuel regulator thing, atleast i think thats what my friend said, he says companies usually throw things like that in their packages to compensate for sloppy programming. if someone coudl elaborate on this let me know, im not ENTIRELY knowledgable but i remember him telling me about it after reading the kit.

I think the main reason people have stood away is that its expensive. From online talk, I heard there good kits, and ripps has a good rep. I actually think a swap would be more expensive, when you add everything up. I might get flamed for that, but thats my opinion. I was thinking aftermarket for the electronics and a good tuner with a dyno.

S/C'd celica > guitars on ebay

hahhahaha, Im an avid guitar collector, and my girlfriend collects antique chests. Were wierd like that! The supercharger will happen. We just moved into a house, and my main concern is getting my garage up into
a decent shop to work in. Im plumbing air compressor lines and flourscent light wiring at the moment.

wow... this thread is back from teh grave! so has someone finally decided to go through w/ this s/c idea? glad to know it's getting some serious consideration

it needs to be done! I think the kit is overpriced, and it would be easy to duplicate some of the fab stuff
to offer a cheaper kit.

[nik]

i hope you do man would love to see a sc celica

[orvillescelica]

I actually think its a really good kit from a company that has a good reputation. Because of that, i think the kit is competitivly priced for the market. I think the price is the reason most people overlooked it, but price is relative to people. If you bought your car for $4K or so, then i could see you thinking it was overpriced. I bought my car new at around $25K, so i dont see it as that much more. Either way, i was disheartened to hear that they had stopped produciton due to lack of interest. I hope you do get some of their parts and build an SC kit for your car Madmods. It would be great to see someone on here have a SC 6gc.

[madmods]

Heres a question, besides the fab pieces,(pulleys, alternator piece, brackets) What stops people from buying the same vortex supercharger and converting a kit? hell it uses a walboro 225 pump, venom injectors, piping can be made.
Couldn't emanage handle the electronics? When I get my kit I'm willing to see what can be done about it.
My car won't be ready to run in a while, and I'm in no hurry with it. Any machinist on here?

[nik]

Heres a question, besides the fab pieces,(pulleys, alternator piece, brackets) What stops people from buying the same vortex supercharger and converting a kit? hell it uses a walboro 225 pump, venom injectors, piping can be made.
Couldn't emanage handle the electronics? When I get my kit I'm willing to see what can be done about it.
My car won't be ready to run in a while, and I'm in no hurry with it. Any machinist on here?

well instead of a piggy back i would go stand alone dont get me wrong i use to have the emanage and worked great but i didnt use it to its full potentional just my 2 cents

[presure2]

Heres a question, besides the fab pieces,(pulleys, alternator piece, brackets) What stops people from buying the same vortex supercharger and converting a kit? hell it uses a walboro 225 pump, venom injectors, piping can be made.
Couldn't emanage handle the electronics? When I get my kit I'm willing to see what can be done about it.
My car won't be ready to run in a while, and I'm in no hurry with it. Any machinist on here?

IMO the shaft drive system is the hardest part of it.
once you have that figured out, its all about fuel and tuning from there.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

S/C'd celica > guitars on ebay

hahhahaha, Im an avid guitar collector, and my girlfriend collects antique chests. Were wierd like that! The supercharger will happen. We just moved into a house, and my main concern is getting my garage up into
a decent shop to work in. Im plumbing air compressor lines and flourscent light wiring at the moment.

I'm a drummer myself, and instead of a swap I soaked a little over 4 grand into an orange sparkle Drum Workshop Collectors Series kit. It was a great buy....but everyday I look at it and think to myself that I could have had a swap for that money ....haha.

That was about a year ago....now its time for swap for me.

This post has been edited by Silver94CelicaOwner: Feb 24, 2006 - 11:39 AM

[lagos]

i sold my korg triton keyboard for 1,500 to help fund my swap

[nik]

i sold my old turbo kit my guaitars and used 2 years worth of taxs returns to finish my motor project

[madmods]

Heres a question, besides the fab pieces,(pulleys, alternator piece, brackets) What stops people from buying the same vortex supercharger and converting a kit? hell it uses a walboro 225 pump, venom injectors, piping can be made.
Couldn't emanage handle the electronics? When I get my kit I'm willing to see what can be done about it.
My car won't be ready to run in a while, and I'm in no hurry with it. Any machinist on here?

IMO the shaft drive system is the hardest part of it.
once you have that figured out, its all about fuel and tuning from there.

I hope they can get me a kit. Supposely its tuned to run good out of the box. We all have heard that before.

S/C'd celica > guitars on ebay

hahhahaha, Im an avid guitar collector, and my girlfriend collects antique chests. Were wierd like that! The supercharger will happen. We just moved into a house, and my main concern is getting my garage up into
a decent shop to work in. Im plumbing air compressor lines and flourscent light wiring at the moment.

I'm a drummer myself, and instead of a swap I soaked a little over 4 grand into an orange sparkle Drum Workshop Collectors Series kit. It was a great buy....but everyday I look at it and think to myself that I could have had a swap for that money ....haha.

That was about a year ago....now its time for swap for me.

i sold my korg triton keyboard for 1,500 to help fund my swap

i sold my old turbo kit my guaitars and used 2 years worth of taxs returns to finish my motor project

Yay for the musicians. Its funny how we sacrafice for our cars. i haved broke for years throwing money into my vehicles!

[Kwanza26]

I'm a drummer myself, and instead of a swap I soaked a little over 4 grand into an orange sparkle Drum Workshop Collectors Series kit. It was a great buy....but everyday I look at it and think to myself that I could have had a swap for that money ....haha.

That was about a year ago....now its time for swap for me.

What do you call a guy who hangs around with musicians? A drum player... LOL =P

[lagos]

i met a guy who had the rip kit on his eclipse. got to talk to him for a while and he gave me the truth about the quality of the kit. he said the tuning sucks ballls, and since its their black box, there is nothing you can do to fix it. in his opinion, they should just add an emanage into the kit. he also said that their "ripp BOV" looks like something a 10yr old kid made at his first day in a machine shop.

before i swaped, i seriously considered the ripp kit... here is the conclustion i came to....
3400 is about what i ended up spending spent on my swap. now you could say that going with a charger would be better or worse, but i think what people forget is that, a swap will do 200+hp at the wheels BONE STOCK, with plenty more room for upgrades. while a charger, might give you similar results, but youll be doing all you an with no room to grow.

This post has been edited by lagos: Feb 24, 2006 - 8:11 PM

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

I'm a drummer myself, and instead of a swap I soaked a little over 4 grand into an orange sparkle Drum Workshop Collectors Series kit. It was a great buy....but everyday I look at it and think to myself that I could have had a swap for that money ....haha.

That was about a year ago....now its time for swap for me.

What do you call a guy who hangs around with musicians? A drum player... LOL =P

Haha, haven't heard that before....

Theres actually much more to being a good drummer than most people think. Lately i've spent 2-3 hours a day practicing because i'm studying professionally with a jazz/latin instructor. I'm a little broke because of it....but I do have gear that I'm selling to help fund a swap and other car goodies.

Anyway, back on topic. Madmods, the RIPP kit gonna happen??

[lagos]

i totally agree. a great drumer, and a great vocalist MAKE the band/song. if you have that, you can stick average bass and guitar players in there and most people will never be able to tell.

[madmods]

i met a guy who had the rip kit on his eclipse. got to talk to him for a while and he gave me the truth about the quality of the kit. he said the tuning sucks ballls, and since its their black box, there is nothing you can do to fix it. in his opinion, they should just add an emanage into the kit. he also said that their "ripp BOV" looks like something a 10yr old kid made at his first day in a machine shop.

before i swaped, i seriously considered the ripp kit... here is the conclustion i came to....
3400 is about what i ended up spending spent on my swap. now you could say that going with a charger would be better or worse, but i think what people forget is that, a swap will do 200+hp at the wheels BONE STOCK, with plenty more room for upgrades. while a charger, might give you similar results, but youll be doing all you an with no room to grow.

Art, I thought you had 5-6 gs total in your car from the swap? How much you got into your motor? i seriously was going to do the swap. I wanted to buy the gt4 rascara was selling. The smog problem is stopping me. The state does the smog out here. I can't bribe an independent garage like when I lived in California. They put you into a little glass room, hook up something to your obd/obd2 and run your car on the rollers and have some sniffer on the exhaust. Then they move it,
to another spot, check for erg and test your gas cap. If I swap, it means different obd. Thats where Im screwed. Then I was going to turbo the 5sfe, been buying parts, but decided on the Ripps assuming I can
get one for under 3500. I refuse to pay 5 gs for one. I beleive playr said the difference between the different stages are different sizes of pulleys for more horsepower.

I'm a drummer myself, and instead of a swap I soaked a little over 4 grand into an orange sparkle Drum Workshop Collectors Series kit. It was a great buy....but everyday I look at it and think to myself that I could have had a swap for that money ....haha.

That was about a year ago....now its time for swap for me.

What do you call a guy who hangs around with musicians? A drum player... LOL =P

Haha, haven't heard that before....

Theres actually much more to being a good drummer than most people think. Lately i've spent 2-3 hours a day practicing because i'm studying professionally with a jazz/latin instructor. I'm a little broke because of it....but I do have gear that I'm selling to help fund a swap and other car goodies.

Anyway, back on topic. Madmods, the RIPP kit gonna happen??

I'm waiting for them to get back to me. From what I understand at the moment, there are the custom fab pieces for the camry laying around their shop. The camry kit sold for 3400. It was discontuined. I have 3 gs saved now. Other people got quoted 5 something for them to make the 5sfe kit. Im not going to pay that. I'll turbo the 5 first before handing out that kind of money.

This post has been edited by madmods: Feb 25, 2006 - 4:01 AM

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

I'd love to finally see a supercharged 5SFE done, or turbo a totally built 5SFE with a reworked head, metal headgasket, forged internals, and standalone.

Either way you'll have an exciting project on your hands.

[lagos]

Art, I thought you had 5-6 gs total in your car from the swap?

honesly, i lost track of exact costs a long time ago. so, i cant give you a specific number. but all i know is that i had 4grand in my hand the day i bought my clip, and at the end of the swap, all that was gone. normally if you do your own work and have a GT, you should have no problems staying within this budget.

just keep in mind, that whatever you decide to do, making power isint cheap. there is no free lunch. there are alwasy lots of hidden costs involved when you take your car past the stock power level. it dosnt even matter if its a charger, turbo, swap, or another brand of car. you have to pay to play.

[madmods]

Art, I thought you had 5-6 gs total in your car from the swap?

honesly, i lost track of exact costs a long time ago. so, i cant give you a specific number. but all i know is that i had 4grand in my hand the day i bought my clip, and at the end of the swap, all that was gone. normally if you do your own work and have a GT, you should have no problems staying within this budget.

just keep in mind, that whatever you decide to do, making power isint cheap. there is no free lunch. there are alwasy lots of hidden costs involved when you take your car past the stock power level. it dosnt even matter if its a charger, turbo, swap, or another brand of car. you have to pay to play.

I gotta start robbing banks again

[dustin15brown]

go for it madmods

[ummmx2]

Art, I thought you had 5-6 gs total in your car from the swap?

just keep in mind, that whatever you decide to do, making power isint cheap. there is no free lunch. there are alwasy lots of hidden costs involved when you take your car past the stock power level. it dosnt even matter if its a charger, turbo, swap, or another brand of car. you have to pay to play.

you are not kidding on this one. the little things on my 5sfte project have definitely been adding up. big time.

[orvillescelica]

I'm waiting for them to get back to me. From what I understand at the moment, there are the custom fab pieces for the camry laying around their shop. The camry kit sold for 3400. It was discontuined. I have 3 gs saved now. Other people got quoted 5 something for them to make the 5sfe kit. Im not going to pay that. I'll turbo the 5 first before handing out that kind of money.

if you are getting that from the link of the thread i posted, i think you read it wrong. They wanted 5 people to put down a $1000 deposit to start up the program, a total of $5000. $1000 up front from each person, then the rest, $2400, after it is delivered. Making the final total $3400 for each kit. I would never consider paying $5K for just one kit!

[madmods]

Just curious, how hard it would be to convert this to work on the celica? Please let out your ideals because the auction ends soon. Price is too good to pass up.
click here


This post has been edited by madmods: Feb 26, 2006 - 10:46 AM

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

I think that would all lie upon what the driveshaft length was on that kit. If you could physically make it fit, and then talk to RIPP about getting a "blackbox" for the 5SFE motor, you could likely make it work pretty well. However you could closely replicate their tuning using a BTM for the timing, using the fuel pressure regulator that comes with it, and an S-AFC II for the fuel control. The components that are listed in that kit on Ebay are very similar to what came with the 5SFE kit.

Of course your best bet would still be to track down a 5SFE kit from RIPP themselves and make it a bolt-on deal......however I would bet some money that as long as that driveshaft isnt too short to go the length of the motor and you found the right size drive belt, you could make that kit fit with the help of a local machine shop.

This post has been edited by Silver94CelicaOwner: Feb 26, 2006 - 11:54 AM

[brianforster]

for 800 bucks over the 3 grand rippmods wants, id buy that one.


but on the other hand, if you found a 3000 celica for 800 bucks, and could only see pictures of it before you bought it, wouldnt you feel fishy?

while ive been lokoing for cars the past few months, ive come to a conclusion that i wont let myself call/email about any car thats too good of a deal, because if its too good to be true, it probably is.

[Defgeph]

Merged the two topics, no need for two threads

[97lestyousay]

Any machinist on here?

Yeah right here man.

[madmods]

Heres an update, Theres a seller on ebay called championtuner that sells ripp kits. He says he can get the camry kits. I asked him, and heres his reply:
Same price. I carry the complete line of RIPP Superchargers. Note this is the Tuner Kit and does not have ecu upgrades, etc. Professional installation is highly recommended. If you need a complete package with all the ecu extras let me know. Stage 1, 2, 3 are available.

Heres a link to his ebay page:
ebay page

So orvillescelica, this is great news. I just spent a third of my cash on a navagation system, so gotta wait till next week assuming this guys legit.

This post has been edited by madmods: Mar 1, 2006 - 10:14 PM

[orvillescelica]

wow!! thats amazing! i wonder how he has the kits when Even RIpp doesnt make them anymore. Perhaps he makes them himself from thier design. Either way, if he is legit this is great news.

The ebay page also says hes in payllup, WA. If he has a store or shop, i could go and check him out.

[madmods]

wow!! thats amazing! i wonder how he has the kits when Even RIpp doesnt make them anymore. Perhaps he makes them himself from thier design. Either way, if he is legit this is great news.

The ebay page also says hes in payllup, WA. If he has a store or shop, i could go and check him out.

hahaha, I hope thats not the case!! I emailed him and told hime I want a stage 2 with the ecu upgrades
If you could visit him, that would be great! He seems legit to me.

[elvasoshexai]

wow!! thats amazing! i wonder how he has the kits when Even RIpp doesnt make them anymore. Perhaps he makes them himself from thier design. Either way, if he is legit this is great news.

The ebay page also says hes in payllup, WA. If he has a store or shop, i could go and check him out.

hahaha, I hope thats not the case!! I emailed him and told hime I want a stage 2 with the ecu upgrades
If you could visit him, that would be great! He seems legit to me.

did they actually make the stage 2? how about stage 3? i thought they either stopped at stage 1 or 2 and didn't continue with the last (couple?) stage

[OOBE]

Professional installation? Whatever...I installed my entire custom turbo kit in 3 hours with a buddy of mine and for being an aviation mechanic, I admit I suck at wrench-turning, heh.

What's so hard about that Rippmods kit that it requires "professional" installation?

By the way, this is a damn good discussion thread. keep it up.

[lagos]

oobe, i think they mean that you should make sure you know what you are doing, since doing something wrong may cost you the motor

[madmods]

oobe, i think they mean that you should make sure you know what you are doing, since doing something wrong may cost you the motor

Agreed, running the motor lean would be bad. I heard the kit is pretty much ready to work out of the box
if you get the package with the ecu.

[madmods]

The kit is a go. Its about 3400. I am going to purchase it on the 17th. below is the email from the guy that sells the kits on ebay.


That is a typo. This is Part Number: SDS-5SFE Stage 1 Supercharger for 5SFE Powered cars
Toyota I4 5FSE Camry 92-01
Stage 1 Supercharger for 5SFE Powered cars

From: Paul [mailto:paul_ntempe@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:35 AM
To: Jim Garcia
Subject: Re: RIPP
Jim,

The ad says designed to bolt on to the 6G72 V6 (six cylinder) 3.0L engine. I have the 4 cylinder 5sfe motor. Is this the right kit? Its actually going in a 97 celica. The camry uses the same motor, so I'm using the camry kit for the celica..

Jim Garcia <jim@championmotorwerks.com> wrote:

Paul,

The kit is $3,389.00 plus shipping (about $30)

I can send you an invoice.

Would you like to pay online or by phone?



Comes complete with:

REQUIRES PERFORMANCE HEADERS TO BE INSTALLED.
Everything you need to setup a supercharger to be functional is included.
Designed to bolt up to the 6G72 V6 (six cylinder) 3.0L engine.
System has had zero engine failures to date.
Kit will work with auto, manual or tip-tronic.
Boosts from low RPM’s with NO LAG Time normally associated with turbos
Professional installation required.
For fuel management we now feature RIPP’s own Black Box tuning computer. A small stand alone piggy back unit that functions as a fuel and timing calibration tool, which turns your stock ECU into a programmable fuel and timing system, fully calibrated to an engine running boost, in both high and low levels. All SDS kits come preprogrammed to give you safe and reliable HP (unless otherwise advertised) all the time, with out the hassle of going to a tuner or the worriers associated with detonation in conjunction with boost.

RIPP SDS (Supercharger Drive System) 6061 Aluminum CNC designed and fabricated
RIPP Black Box Preprogrammed** (Fuel and timing controller no out side tuning required at all)
RIPP 2 Bar MAP Sensor for exact ECU boost communication
RIPP/Vortech V5 G-Trim Supercharger (VSQ Option)
RIPP By Pass Valve
Six 310cc Venom Injectors with clips
Malpassi Rising rate fuel pressure regulator with gauge
2.75” 6061 aluminum piping
Four Ply silicon hose (Gloss Black Red or Blue)
Walboro 255 in tank Fuel pump
All hardware and clamps included
2 Part 20 page Illustrated Instructions and tech tips
Easy 12-15 hour install
One year warrantee included from date of purchase


Jim Garcia

Over 20 years of Extraordinary Customer Service



Champion Motorwerks

Don't Settle for Ordinary



Yahoo! Messenger: championmotorwerks
MSN Messenger: ChampionMotorwerks

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Phone: 425.223.4592

[lilsteeg]

Professional installation? Whatever...I installed my entire custom turbo kit in 3 hours with a buddy of mine and for being an aviation mechanic, I admit I suck at wrench-turning, heh.

What's so hard about that Rippmods kit that it requires "professional" installation?

By the way, this is a damn good discussion thread. keep it up.

all aftermarket parts say professional installation required, they dont want you to **** it up and then blame them

[Jdog1385]

good stuff madmods, cant wait to see it done.

i wonder how much profit that guy makes on selling those kits.

[elvasoshexai]

so is there a stage 2?

The kit is a go. Its about 3400. I am going to purchase it on the 17th. below is the email from the guy that sells the kits on ebay.


That is a typo. This is Part Number: SDS-5SFE Stage 1 Supercharger for 5SFE Powered cars
Toyota I4 5FSE Camry 92-01
Stage 1 Supercharger for 5SFE Powered cars

From: Paul [mailto:paul_ntempe@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:35 AM
To: Jim Garcia
Subject: Re: RIPP
Jim,

The ad says designed to bolt on to the 6G72 V6 (six cylinder) 3.0L engine. I have the 4 cylinder 5sfe motor. Is this the right kit? Its actually going in a 97 celica. The camry uses the same motor, so I'm using the camry kit for the celica..

Jim Garcia <jim@championmotorwerks.com> wrote:

Paul,

The kit is $3,389.00 plus shipping (about $30)

I can send you an invoice.

Would you like to pay online or by phone?



Comes complete with:

REQUIRES PERFORMANCE HEADERS TO BE INSTALLED.
Everything you need to setup a supercharger to be functional is included.
Designed to bolt up to the 6G72 V6 (six cylinder) 3.0L engine.
System has had zero engine failures to date.
Kit will work with auto, manual or tip-tronic.
Boosts from low RPM’s with NO LAG Time normally associated with turbos
Professional installation required.
For fuel management we now feature RIPP’s own Black Box tuning computer. A small stand alone piggy back unit that functions as a fuel and timing calibration tool, which turns your stock ECU into a programmable fuel and timing system, fully calibrated to an engine running boost, in both high and low levels. All SDS kits come preprogrammed to give you safe and reliable HP (unless otherwise advertised) all the time, with out the hassle of going to a tuner or the worriers associated with detonation in conjunction with boost.

RIPP SDS (Supercharger Drive System) 6061 Aluminum CNC designed and fabricated
RIPP Black Box Preprogrammed** (Fuel and timing controller no out side tuning required at all)
RIPP 2 Bar MAP Sensor for exact ECU boost communication
RIPP/Vortech V5 G-Trim Supercharger (VSQ Option)
RIPP By Pass Valve
Six 310cc Venom Injectors with clips
Malpassi Rising rate fuel pressure regulator with gauge
2.75” 6061 aluminum piping
Four Ply silicon hose (Gloss Black Red or Blue)
Walboro 255 in tank Fuel pump
All hardware and clamps included
2 Part 20 page Illustrated Instructions and tech tips
Easy 12-15 hour install
One year warrantee included from date of purchase


Jim Garcia

Over 20 years of Extraordinary Customer Service



Champion Motorwerks

Don't Settle for Ordinary



Yahoo! Messenger: championmotorwerks
MSN Messenger: ChampionMotorwerks

jim@championmotorwerks.com
www.championmotorwerks.com

Phone: 425.223.4592

[celi_gt_racer]

any update?

[Jeremiah]

I know a lot of you don't like Superchargers, but I do. I think it's a superior setup for a daily driver. It makes power early (where I want it), is much more predictable, and is a lot more gentle on the motor (for better longevity).

Anyone know of a Cali-Legal SC kit? Anyone want to tell me how they like their SC?

[Bitter]

hey, i hope the celica community has better luck than the 3G community seems to have had with Ripp over the years. theres been long delays and poor customer support developing over the years as the cars get older. Theres a company in florida called Tearstone Performance Solutions that remanufactuers Ripp SC kits for the V6 eclipse with some modifications that fix some of the Ripp tuning, starting, and drivability issues. they also sell Turbo Kits made by Gulf Coast turbo which have been making good numbers on the 3G eclipses. i think TPS has also done some work with other cars in conjunction with Gulf Coast, iirc one was a toyota. im not sure, i'll ask and find out if they have any interest or any products for you guys.

[celicast3sgte]

offtopic but the 6g72 3.0 comes in 3000gt base models and vr-4s are TT. so are you trying to say i could S/C my showcar 3000gt? bitter, 3G community means 3rd gen eclipse or 3000gt?

[Bitter]

offtopic but the 6g72 3.0 comes in 3000gt base models and vr-4s are TT. so are you trying to say i could S/C my showcar 3000gt? bitter, 3G community means 3rd gen eclipse or 3000gt?

sorry i didnt specify better, im just used to being over there.

3rd Generation Eclipse is 2000-2005 and includes the 4g64 and 6g72 engines. the 6g72 in the 3G is a 24V SOHC variant of the DOHC 3000GT engine, even tho they have the same designation.


Ripps probably could modify a 2000 GT kit to work on a non turbo 24 valve 3000GT. if you have the 8 valve sohc you could probably (im sketchy on the 3000GT lower model engines) source a pair of heads from a V6 Galant since it has a DOHC 24V 6g72.

[celicast3sgte]

Interesting because I have a 92' 3000gt with a very well built bottom end and the heads are the next installment but I have 2 stock vr4 turbos i think im going to sell though. ANYWAYS back on topic! what do you think this is? a mitsubishi forum?! lol

[Bitter]

hey they all do the same thing, suck squeeze bang blow :lol:

[97lestyousay]

I had started a project but scapped the whole thing do to money
and time issues. IMO will cost more and be less reliable than
a 3s swap. There is also way more info for the 3s. Props
for the uniqueness. If you need precision machine work,
PM me and I'll see what I can do to help. Right now our
shop is pretty busy.

[Bitter]

if you want 2.2L of forced induction im telling you all, 5S-GTE is the way to go. 5S-FE block with built internals and a 3S-GTE head. even in NA a 3sge head on a 5sfe should make nice power.

[Jeremiah]

if you want 2.2L of forced induction im telling you all, 5S-GTE is the way to go. 5S-FE block with built internals and a 3S-GTE head. even in NA a 3sge head on a 5sfe should make nice power.

I'm running the 1.8L (7A-FE I think it is?)... I don't get the toyo namings scheme. Seems like the more powerful the motor, the lower the numbers get. Anyway - just about anything makes more power than my current setup. Honestly, I'm pretty happy with my little 1.8, but it's got 230k + miles and is EVENTUALLY going to die. I would like to do the 3S-GTE swap, but it's a JDM motor right? I live in California... they don't like JDM's here

[Bitter]

no, only the Gen3 3S-GTE (correct me if i'm wrong) is JDM. the 2nd gen was in the Alltrac Celica and MKII MR-2 Turbo.

the 7A-FE isnt a bad motor, its just SMALL. Sometimes thats nice (long roadtrip and you get nearly 40mpg) but usually its not so nice. I'm serious about the 5S-GTE hybrid, its a GREAT alternative to getting a 3S-GTE. You'll have a better low end (non boost) power, and will be able to spool the turbo faster or run a larger turbo with as much lag. The 5S block is plenty strong (same as the Gen2 3S block?) and there are performance parts (pistsons and rods) available to build the bottom end. you could probably pickup a 5sfe in good shape from a junked camry and a 3s-gte topend off ebay for a good price.

[madmods]

This guy on ebay claims to have 20 of these kits on his listing. Theres currently 2 camry packages on ebay.
Update on the kit is this: My girlfriend threw me out. Im sleeping in my van until thursday. Its been a week already and it sucks. I get my house on thursday. Its got a 2 car garage that will be converted to a shop. Im working a ton of overtime 7days straight to make money. The 3 grand I had saved up, is being used to move. I still plan on getting the ripps if its legit. If not then Im turboing the 5. Ripps is claiming the kits on ebay are frauds right on his website. The guy on ebay selling the kits has a feedback of 5. His ad says hes got 20 kits. I don't believe him. your thoughts? Heres the ebay link.
ripps ebay kit

[CelicaZR]

To be honest Madmods.
I wouldn't trust him.
$2800 is alot of money,
and you know how hard it is to work and save that much.
I dont want to see you get burnt.
Since its in New York, maybe you can get someone from here around there
to check it out to see if it's legit. Or maybe you can check it out yourself.

[madmods]

To be honest Madmods.
I wouldn't trust him.
$2800 is alot of money,
and you know how hard it is to work and save that much.
I dont want to see you get burnt.
Since its in New York, maybe you can get someone from here around there
to check it out to see if it's legit. Or maybe you can check it out yourself.

Agreed, there are plenty of members on here from New york. the good thing is he's on paypal. I don't believe he has 20 kits when ripp stopped making them.

[Bitter]

Yes do not purchase ANY kit found on ebay. We do not endorse ANY ebay seller. We will have our own ebay store soon and that will be the only official one.

The kits on Ebay are also not accurately represented and are lackin up to date information. Please contact me if you have any questions regarding the kit...

[MaX]

i'm pretty interested in these kits,

but since they're in the states, i might ahve to get the parts here and get some stuff custom made....

internet isnt that trustworthy...

i'll be building it with forged pistons, 3sgte rods, yada yada..

will keep you updated

[Bitter]

Tearstone JUST got a MKII MR-2 Turbo with the 3S-GTE. he'll be starting to mod it sometime soon and i'd bet that some of the stuff he comes up with will cross over to the celica 3sgte.

[massbrandon]

finally somone who understands what im trying to say.

I understand too... but goddamn people aren't gonna listen or open their minds to understand... so why bother? I'm willing to bet a vast majority of the 'future' swappers have NEVER driven a lightweight 200whp+ car... so they can say 'mild' all they want. There's nothing mild about 195-225 hp in a 2500 pounds car.

i know exactly what youre saying. the fastest car i had driven was my celi. then one day i was cruising around and stopped by a dodge dealership. asked if i could drive the srt4 and i didnt know what to expect. boy was i shocked when i got on it. didnt know what to expect but damn. 220hp 3000lbs very quick in my opinion(which isnt very much) lol

This post has been edited by massbrandon: Apr 4, 2006 - 3:53 PM